Kutungamira Shanduko: Gretchen Gagel paVakadzi Vanobudirira Mukuvaka, S4, E17

Gretchen Gagel Transcript

Ndokumbira utarise kuti izvi zvinogadzirwa nedigital uye zvinogona kunge zvine zvimwe zvikanganiso.

Jackie De Burca: [00:00:00] Uyu ndiJackie De Burca pano Manzwi Anovaka, uye ndinofara kutaura kuti nhasi ndine mumwe podcaster wechikadzi wandiinaye, akaburitsa huwandu hukuru hwe Podcast episodes. Anonyatso, akanaka papodcasting. Gretchen, unogamuchirwa.

Unoda kuzvisuma here?

Gretchen Gagel: Ehe. Ndatenda Jackie. Ndafara kuva pano. zvinonakidza kuva nepodcast. Ndinoda kutaura nevanhu vakasiyana munzvimbo dzakasiyana dzepasi vakajeka sewe ndanga ndiri muindasitiri yekuvaka kweakawanda emakore angu makumi mana ebasa. Ndichangobva kuburitsa bhuku pamusoro pevakadzi vanotungamira mukuvaka, kuvaka vatungamiriri vechikadzi, purani yevakadzi vari kubudirira mukuvaka.

Uye mune rudzi urwu rwekunyura kwezuva kwebasa rangu, ndiri. Zvakare kutanga sangano repasi rose kusimudzira vakadzi mukuvaka. Saka zvingori zvinhu zvishoma zvekundichengeta kubva mudambudziko pandinoenda pamudyandigere mu [00:01:00] makore mashoma.

Jackie De Burca: Brilliant. Okay, saka handina kana kumboedza kududzira surname yako nekuti handizivi. Ehe, ndosaka ndanga ndichikusiya kuti uzviite.

Giggle kana gal, tinozvitaura sei? Iri kuseka kunge bagel,

Gretchen Gagel: chikoro chesekondari nekuti ndakazvitaura kakawanda,

Jackie De Burca: Brilliant. Saka ndiri naGretchen. Gel uye ane, sezvawangonzwa, kumashure kunoshamisa. Saka ndinofara chaizvo kuongorora izvo mune zvimwe zvakadzama, kunyanya nekuti kana tadzokera muhupenyu hwako hwepakutanga, Gretchen, wakatanga basa rako rekugadzira mainjiniya kunyangwe nekutanga kusundidzirwa kubva kuna baba vako avo sezviri pachena vakati kwauri, vasikana havasati vadzidza engineering.

Wakatsungirira. Iwe unoda kutaura nezve iyo shanduko uye kuti unotenda sei kuti yakagadzira nzira dzako?

Gretchen Gagel: Hongu, ndizvo, munoziva, ndinofunga aingofunga kuti ingava nzira chaiyo, inonetsa, kwandiri. Uye izvi zvakadzoka mukutanga makumi masere uye kutaura zvazviri, pandakaramba kugamuchirwa kwangu kweHarvard kuenda kuchikoro cheinjiniya, akandiramba.

He [00:02:00] Ndakashungurudzika, ndakafunga kuti ndiri kuramba uyu mukana wakakura wekuenda kuHarvard, iyo yakanga isina chikoro cheinjiniya kana kwete chikoro cheinjiniya chaizivikanwa panguva iyoyo. Handina chokwadi kuti chii chakandipa ushingi, asi chaChakandidzidzisa kuvimba nekuzvitsigira, riri zano randinopa vanhu vari munyika.

Senge ini ndainyatsonzwa kuti yaive sarudzo chaiyo kwandiri uye ndainakidzwa nechikoro cheinjiniya uye takagadzira gare gare, saka zvese zvakazonaka.

Jackie De Burca: Brilliant. Fantastic. Zvino, ndakateerera kune chimwe chezvikamu zvako zvichangoburwa, pakutanga nhasi uye ndakafarira zvinhu zvakawanda nezvazvo, asi chimwe chezvinhu chiri chokwadi, ndinofunga kwehupenyu hwedu hwese vakadzi vaviri vawakanga uchibvunzurudza ipapo, vakataura nezve shanduko, izvo zviri pachena kuti ndizvo zvawangotaura, pamwe imwe yeakakosha ehupenyu hwako hwepakutanga shanduko.

Gretchen Gagel: Ehe. Zvakanaka, ndokubva ndabuda kuchikoro cheinjiniya, ndakanga ndasarudza Lone Star Gasi uye ndakatanga kunyatsonzwisisa kuti kundivharira mumba, ndichiita pombi. patani kana chimwe chinhu, chaisazovepo [00:03:00] yakanakisa basa sarudzo kwandiri.

Uye ndakabvunzurudza kune chirimwa injiniya chinzvimbo naRalston Purina. Zvino Nestle Purina, uye vakadzoka kwandiri, iye James, maneja weHR, handife ndakamukanganwa. Akadzoka kwandiri ndokuti, wafunga nezvemaoperation management? Ndakafanana, chii? Chii icho? Handitombozivi kuti chii ichocho. Uye akafanana, zvakanaka, ndiko kwaunomhanyisa chirimwa.

Uye tiri kuyedza kuti madzimai akawanda apinde muoperation management. Ini ndikati, ko mune vangani? Uye kubva pamakumi matanhatu nemaviri, vaive ne zero. muna 62 uye ndakafunga, zvakanaka, mumwe munhu anofanira kuva wekutanga. Saka ndakabva ndaenda kuOklahoma kunomhanyisa chirimwa chekudya kwembwa. hanzvadzi dzangu dzehunyanyeri dzakafunga kuti ndakanga ndarasikirwa zvachose nematombo angu panguva iyoyo, kubva kuDallas uye kuenda kuOklahoma kunogadzira chikafu chembwa.

asi zvakare, hazvina kuita sekuti ini ndakagadzirira kuve maneja wekushanda uye dzimwe nguva unongofanirwa kuvhurika kune akasiyana mikana uye kuti hupenyu hwako huchatora kanguva kadiki. Uye wakazova mukana wakanaka kwandiri.

Jackie De Burca: Ndizvo. Ndinofunga kuti ndizvo zvazviri [00:04:00] nezve, munoziva, iri, iri kuvhurwa.

Nekuti kazhinji zvinhu zvatinofunga kuti tinofanira kunge tichiita kazhinji, hazviwanzo famba zvinoenderana nehurongwa. Uye zvino chimwe chinhu chiri nani chinoitika kana isu takasununguka. Mushure memakore anopfuura makumi mana, Gretchen, mukuvaka, mabasa ehutungamiriri, indasitiri, basa rebhodhi, chii chakakukurudzira kuti utarise basa rako razvino pavhu pacharo?

Utungamiri.

Gretchen Gagel: Zvakanaka, zvinonakidza uye Mafambiro andakaita sekuchinja mukuvaka vatungamiriri venguva yemberi. Pandakatama Ositireriya muna 2018, mumwe wangu aive wekuAustralia. Taigara muAmerica. Ndagara ndichida kugara kune imwe nyika. Ndakanga ndaudza kambani kuti ndaive mutungamiri wemakore mashanu, ndizvozvo, ndege zana nemakumi maviri pagore.

Uye ini ndanga ndichiita PhD yangu panguva imwe chete, izvo zvandisinganyatso kurudzira izvozvo. Asi, pandakasvika kuAustralia, ndakanga ndisingazivi kuti ndaizowana sei chokurarama nacho. Ini ndaiziva munhu mumwechete muindasitiri, nekuti Quanta Services yaive [00:05:00] mutengi wangu muAmerica.

Uye vakandisuma kuna Mark Bumstead, uyo, aimhanya, Quanta Services Australia nemakambani mashanu avainawo uko. Ndakawira mumukana wekutanga uyu wekumhanyisa chirongwa chehutungamiriri hwevakadzi muindasitiri yepombi. Mark akakurudzira kuti ndibatane neAustralia Pipelines neGas Association, uye ndakanga ndichiendesa bepa pamusangano wangu wekutanga mavhiki maviri mushure mekunge ndasvika kuAustralia.

Uye CEO. Steve Davies aive nepaneru yevakuru vakuru uye aizvikudza zvake. Aive awana zvese izvi, isu taive kuDarwin uko kuri pakati nepakati, handiti? Uye aive nemukuru wekambani yemagetsi uye mukuru wekambani yekuvaka uye kambani yeinjiniya. Uye akatarisa vateereri akati, Ndiri kunyara chaizvo.

Hapana mukadzi pano. Uye ndakafunga izvozvo, ndakafunga kuti zvaida kushinga kukuru kutaura izvozvo pamberi pemazana evanhu. Ndokubva ndamubuditsa ku coffee ndokuti. Munoziva American Gas Association ine chirongwa chehutungamiriri hwevakadzi ichi. Ndataura ipapo [00:06:00] semutungamiri wechikadzi muinjiniya.

Izvi ndisati ndapedza PhD yangu muhutungamiri uye. Ndanga ndisiri kumhanyisa kosi iyi, ndanga ndichangove mutauri, asi ko kana tikazvidzokorora pano uye tave kuda kutanga boka regumi rechirongwa chehutungamiriri. Uye takabva tatanga kekutanga chirongwa chevatungamiriri, nevarume nevakadzi uye tiri kutangisa boka redu rechitatu reizvozvo.

Uye ipapo Wiley akandikumbira kunyora bhuku pamusoro hutungamiri uye ipapo kamwe kamwe wakaita senge, muchadenga chiri kundiudza. Ini ndinopa zano, vatungamiriri vakati wandei pasirese, asi zvakasikwa zvakangotanga kundiudza kuti nzira yangu yakanangana nekubatsira kusimudzira vatungamiriri vanotevera musimba, mugodhi, kuvaka, uye engineering.

Saka, hongu, ndakatanga kuiteerera.

Jackie De Burca: Utungamiri hwepasi pachahwo hunosiyana sei nemaitiro eutungamiri hwechinyakare?

Gretchen Gagel: Zvakanaka, zvinosetsa nekuti ndakadzokera makore makumi mashanu mudzidziso yehutungamiriri muPhD yangu, uye [00:07:00] ndosaka ndiine dhigirii reinjiniya, MBA kwandakanangana nezvemari, handina kumbobvira ndawana mukana wekudzidza maitiro evanhu.

saka ndakadzokera shure 50 makore muutungamiri dzidziso, sangano tsika dzidziso, kuwana kusangana Edgar Schein, akanga ari mudzidzisi wangu kwegore, asati apfuura. akadzokera shure 50 makore mukuchinja hutungamiri mumakore. Iyo yakaoma kwazvo, pfungwa yekufunga nezvayo uye ndinotenda chaizvo kuti masayendisiti ezvemagariro akaiswa pamwechete.

Zvirongwa, hutungamiriri hwevashandi, hutungamiriri hweshanduko. Kune akawanda akasiyana masisitimu ehutungamiri kunze uko. Ini ndinodana wangu wakadzika hutungamiriri nekuti akawanda aya masisitimu, anotarisa nemabatiro anoita vatungamiriri nevamwe vanhu nekuti ndihwo hutungamiriri, huri kufurira vamwe.

Chokwadi, hazvisi zvezita. Hazvisi zvekuti vanhu vangani vanokuudza. Zviri chaizvo pamusoro pekugona kwako kupesvedzera maitiro, kuita zvakanaka maitiro evamwe. Asi ndakadaidza kuzvida hutungamiriri nekuti [00:08:00] yakavakirwa. Ndinofunga zvinotanga zvakanyanya newe uye zvauri semunhu.

Mm-hmm. Uye chimiro chemunhu akamira padombo izvo hunhu hwako pachako uye chinangwa chako pachako muhupenyu. unoratidza sei semutungamiri. Inonyatso dzika mune izvo zvibodzwa zvaunofunga nezvazvo zvakadzama uye kuchinja zvaunoda kuita panyika.

Jackie De Burca: Izvozvo zvine musoro. Zvakanaka izvo zvine mufungo wakawanda nekuti uri kuunza yako musimboti, chokwadi chako pachako kuti uchave sei nehutungamiriri, simba kwete, kwete simba nenzira yakaipa, asi unenge uchikurudzira vanhu nenzira iri nyore.

Gretchen Gagel: Ndakatanga kuverenga Tsika nomwe dzeVanhu Vakanyanya Kubatwa, uye ndakagadzira chirevo chechinangwa chekusiya nyika iri nani pane yandakawana. Uye saka Wiley paakandikumbira kunyora bhuku, richasiya nyika iri nzvimbo iri nani pane yandakaiwana? Ndinofunga kuti izvi zvichava nemigumisiro yakanaka.

Asi chimwe chinhu chakanyatsondiumba. Uye kufunga kwangu nezvehutungamiriri, pandakapedza [00:09:00] MBA yangu paYunivhesiti yeDenver mukutanga kwemakumi mapfumbamwe, isu taiva vekutanga, kirasi yaifanira kutora semester yakazara mutsika. Zvino, izvozvo hazviratidzike sezvisina kujairika nhasi, asi makore 35 apfuura, pose pazvaiitika, zvakanga zvisina kujairika.

Uye Bowie Sewell aive purofesa wangu wetsika. Ndichiri kutaura naye. Ndakatendeuka ndikadzidzisa tsika kwemakore mashanu paYunivhesiti yeDenver muchirongwa chavo cheMBA. kunyatsofunga nezvazvo kwakakonzera kuti kirasi uye zvese zvakaita kuti ndifunge nezve kwandakabva semutungamiri uye kuti ndinozviratidza sei.

kana ukafunga nezvevatungamiriri vakuru vaunoyemura, unoziva zvavanomiririra. Iwe unoziva kuti vanomiririra kururamisira kana kubatana kana kuvimbika kana chero. saka ndinofunga zvakakosha kuti tiise hutungamiriri hwedu mune izvo zvakakosha uye chinangwa.

Jackie De Burca: Ehe, izvo zvine musoro kwandiri, Gretchen.

Zvino kuenda kubhuku rako, kutanga, zvakanyanya, zvinokatyamadza. Bhuku iri [00:10:00] ine musoro, kuvaka Vatungamiriri veVakadzi, Chirongwa chevakadzi vari kubudirira mukuvaka. Uye nzira yacho ndeyekubatanidza nyaya uye mazano kubva kune vanopfuura vatungamiriri vepasirese zana nemakumi maviri.

Ndeapi mamwe maitiro akakosha kana hunhu, Gretchen, aunoburitsa mubhuku iro vakadzi vanogona kutora kuti vabudirire mumaindasitiri ane vanhurume?

Gretchen Gagel: Hongu, uye chinhu chimwe chakakosha, iri ibhuku revarume zvakare. ndezvevarume vanobatana nekuti vakadzi havagone kubudirira mukuvaka, kuchera magetsi.

Injiniya pasina rutsigiro rwevabatsiri vavo vechirume nekuti Varume ndivo vazhinji veindasitiri. Rudyi. Saka chikonzero vese Hugh Rice, sachigaro Emeritus weFMI naJan Tuckman. ndiani aimbova, retired mupepeti mukuru we ENR Magazine akanyora maForward maviri, nemaune. Murume nemukadzi.

Ndinovimba kuti varume vanoverenga bhuku iri zvakare. Uye vachawana zvakawanda kubva mazviri zvakare [00:11:00] nezve kwete kungoshamwaridzana chete, asi nezvehutungamiriri. Uye mumwe munhu akandiudza, mumwe munyori akandiudza mubhuku rako rekutanga, unokanda zvese imomo, asi singi yekubikira, ibhuku randinovimba richava rereferensi bhuku revanhu.

Pane zvitsauko makumi maviri nembiri, ndinofunga, asi zvinotanga nechitsauko pamusoro petsika netsika uye kusaziva kusaziva. Uye ndingave ndisina mhosva kana ndikanyora bhuku rino uye ndikasabata pamusoro pekusaziva kusingafungidzirwe Kunowanikwa nevanhu vakasiyana mumamiriro akasiyana.

Bhuku rinobva rapinda muutungamiriri uhwu hwakadzika midzi uye zvinotora kuve nehushingi uye kuzvininipisa mukuenzanisa, izvo zvinotora kuve nehunyanzvi hwekufunga, matorero aunoburitsa zita rako munyika, uye wozoenderera mberi mune maitiro aunoita hukama hwakasimba nevanhu, mavakirwo aunoita zvikwata zvinotamba zvakanyanya, mavakirwo aunoita tsika yesangano nenzira yaungade uye nekupeta nayo.

Nzira yekutungamira sei muindasitiri.

Jackie De Burca: Okay. Ndinoreva, izvo zvinonzwika zvakakosha. Uye zvakare [00:12:00] chokwadi chekuti, iwe wakataura kune vanopfuura zana nemakumi maviri, zvinova, semumwe munhu akanyora bhuku, ndinoziva kuti zvakakura kwazvo.

Gretchen Gagel: Ehe, ini ndabiridzira zvishoma. vamwe ve129, ndinofunga takapedzisira tave nevanhu 129 vari zvinyorwa kubva podcasts nekuti ndakaita podcast, semuenzaniso, Anna Mes.

Anna Mes ndiye akanyanya, kana ini handizive, mumwe munhu anogona kumupfuura pane imwe nguva, asi aive akashongedzwa zvakanyanya zhizha Olympian muAustralia. Ari mupfupi. Track mutasvi webhasikoro. Uye akakwikwidza mumaOlympics mana. Mumwe wavo, akatyoka mutsipa mukudonha uye mwedzi minomwe gare gare, akakwikwidza mumakwikwi eOlympics.

Wow. Kushingirira kwake kunoshamisa uye ane zvakawanda zvakanaka zvekutaura nezvehutungamiriri. Ndakabvunzurudza makumi mana kusvika makumi mashanu vatungamiriri vechirume nevechikadzi muindasitiri yekuvaka yebhuku zvakare. Asi hongu, raive basa rakakura, ndaisada kuti bhuku iri ringove nezvezwi rangu, [00:13:00] nezveizvi. Ndaida chaizvo kuunza manzwi evanhu vakangwara.

Uye dai ndaiva nenguva, nemashoko, ndingadai ndakaisa chiuru chevanhu mubhuku iri. Pane imwe nguva. Ndakatozoigura. Ndinofunga kuti nyaya idzodzo dzinobva kuvanhu ivavo, dzinoita kuti chive chiitiko chakapfuma kune muverengi.

Jackie De Burca: Zvirokwazvo, uye hausi kubiridzira paunopinda mune podcast basa rawaita, nekuti ini ndinoziva uye, iwe unoziva, Gretchen, basa rakawanda rinopinda, kurekodha nekutsvaga podcasts uye kuita kuti abudiswe uye kunze uko.

Saka uku hakusi kubiridzira munyika yangu.

Gretchen Gagel: Kwete, kwete, kwete. Uye kutaura zvazviri, zvainetsa nekuti ndine 150 podcasts. Mm-hmm. Uye kunyatsotora uye kusarudza. Ndevapi vanhu, idzo nyaya dzakaverengerwa mubhuku yaive curation mukati uye pachayo. Asi, asi hongu, Kunakidzwa kwakawanda kunyora bhuku.

Izvo, 120,000 mazwi. Iro, raive basa rerudo uye ndinofara kuona vanhu vachiiverenga uye vachipa mhinduro pamusoro payo. [00:14:00] wakatora nguva yakadii kuinyora? Mwedzi minomwe. kondirakiti yangu yaive gore. Ndaiziva kuti ndaisazowana nguva yekuitanga kwemwedzi mitanhatu nekuda kwezvisungo zvebasa, nezvimwewo.

Uye ndakawedzera nemwedzi pakupera, ndakatora nzendo dzakawanda muAustralia. Ndicho chinhu chimwe chete chinoshamisa pamusoro peAustralia isu tine 10,000 mahombekombe egungwa. Uye saka ndaienda munzira kwemavhiki maviri ndogara mumataundi madiki emahombekombe uye kufamba pamahombekombe ndofunga nekunyora nekufunga nekunyora.

Jackie De Burca: zvinoita sezvisina kunaka,

Gretchen Gagel: zvakanaka, zvinonakidza. Ndiri mutendi mukuru mukuzvipa mibairo. Uye saka, semuenzaniso, ndakaenda kudhorobha diki rinonzi Exmouth, rinova rekufamba nendege kwemaawa mashoma kuchamhembe kwePerth ndikanyora kwemaawa mapfumbamwe pazuva rimwe. Zvino zuva rakatevera ndakashambira ne whale shark.

Kufadza.

Jackie De Burca: Saka kudzokera kune zvawambotaura zvishoma, Gretchen, iwe wataura tsika inotonga, kusaziva kusaziva uye huchokwadi, pamwe nezvinhu zvakakosha izvo zvatinofanira kufamba. Ndezvipi zvinowanzoitika [00:15:00] mapofu awaona mumasangano nhasi, uye vakadzi nevarume vanobatsirana navo vangazvigadzirisa sei?

Gretchen Gagel: Ehe. Chimwe, chinhu chimwe chandinosimbisa mubhuku, iyi haisi slam yevarume vachena muAustralia neAmerica. Ivo vanoumba ruzhinji rwevagari vekuvaka uye izvo zvinogadzira hutongi hwetsika izvo zvinonakidza ndezvekuti dzimwe nguva kana isu tiri mune inotonga tsika, ini ndinotsanangura kuti iwe uri mhando mububble.

Senge iwe hauzive kuti uri mutsika inotonga. Uri kungorarama hupenyu semunhu ari ruzhinji rwevanhu ivavo, uye hauzive kuti zvinonetsa sei. Kune vanhu vari kunze kwetsika inotonga. Ndakanga ndichinyora chitsauko ichi gore rakapera uye ini, anga ari May uye ndaibhururuka ndichienda kuWashington, DC kumusangano wekondirakiti mukuru, akasiyana-siyana uye musangano wekomiti yekubatanidza, uye ndakapinda mumotokari yakagoverwa.

[00:16:00] Zvino mutyairi ari mudiki, ndingati akanga ava nemakore makumi matatu, murume. Akati, o, ivhiki rakabatikana kwauri here? Uye ndakati, hongu, hongu, munoziva, zvakabatikana. Kansas manzwiro, Chicago, dc, New York. Iye akati, Iwe, uri mufambisi wendege here? Ini ndikati kwete. Ini ndiri mukuru webhizinesi uye zvandinoedza nekuita kusimudza nenyasha kusaziva kusingazive kune vanhu izvozvi.

Ini ndikati, dai ndaiva murume uye ndakapfeka sutu, ndakafunga kuti, gosh, sutu inoita seinoshandira ndege here? asi ndakati, unofunga kuti waizobvunza murume izvozvo? Mubvunzo iwoyo uye akaupindura achifunga. Kwete, ini, uye pamwe ndingadai ndakamubvunza kana aive mutyairi wendege, uye uyu ungori muenzaniso wakapusa, anopfuura makumi mana.

Jackie De Burca: a, chinhu chinopenya kunyange zvakadaro.

Gretchen Gagel: Zvakanaka, uye anopfuura makore makumi mana, ini, kana ndikaenda kunodya nemumwe murume wandinoshanda naye. Ini ndinovapa kadhi rangu rechikwereti, panogona kunge paine mukana we40% wavanoenda [00:17:00] dzosera kumurume. Asi zvakare, izvo, izvo, haasati asangana nazvo kakawanda uye zvakare.

Saka anogona kufunga, o, haisi nyaya hombe. Asi kana zvikaitika kwauri kakawanda kwemakore makumi matatu, izvo, zvinongova zvimwe, zvinongova zvimwewo. Chokwadi. Uye saka ndinofunga masangano. Ndakanzwa izwi pandakataura kuGC naTom Riley, anove mutungamiri weTurner BMEs Bias Motivated Events, uye chinhu icho masangano ari kutanga kuyera, izvo zvakanaka nekuti zvatinoyera isu tinobva tatanga kuzvinzwisisa.

Zvamazvirokwazvo. Uye saka, hongu, ipfungwa yakaoma kufunga nezve kusaziva kusaziva. Uye isu tose tine rusaruro. Uye tinoda bias. Ndiko kugadzirisa kwatinoita ruzivo nekukurumidza. Asi kumira uye kuvepo kuna, Hmm, ndiri kusangana nerusarura izvozvi? Ndaigona sei kufunga zvishoma zvakasiyana pamusoro peizvi?

Jackie De Burca: Ehe. Aiwa, ndinofunga kungoziva kuti pachayo inogona kutendeuka sei [00:18:00] mumwe munhu ari kutungamira mukati memunda wavo uye nesangano ravo.

Gretchen Gagel: Ehe. Ndakataura masvondo mashoma apfuura pavakadzi vaimuka mukuvaka muSan Diego, uye mumwe murume wechidiki akabuda mushure mekunge ndapedza kusaina bhuku rangu nezvese, uye taingova vaviri vedu. Iye ndokuti: Ndingaratidza sei hukama? Uye ndakati, hezvino zvinhu zvitatu zviri nyore kana ukaona mudzimai achitaurwa pamusangano, chinova chekutanga microaggression pamusoro pevakadzi.

Dai waigona kutendeuka woti, tingadzokera here kune iyo pfungwa Gretchen aive nayo, ndiko kuti, ini ndiri kufarira chaizvo zano iroro. Zvino zvichida munhu akataura pamusoro pake muchivande, unogona kuenda kumunhu iyeye woti, Hei John, ndinoda sei mukati, kana kuti anogona kunge ari Sally, anogona kunge ari mudzimai ari kutaura pamusoro pemukadzi.

Ndinoda kushingairira kwaunoita, asi nguva inotevera iwe ungada kurega Gretchen apedza zano rake usati wasvetukira mukati wotaura izvozvo nenyasha, Uye izvo [00:19:00] mienzaniso midiki yehushamwari apo tinosimudza manzwi evamwe uye tichivabatsira kuti vanzwe kusimbaradzwa uye kuti ndevavo.

Jackie De Burca: Okay. Ndinoreva kuti, hongu, mumwe muenzaniso wakanaka, Gretchen. Ngatimboongororai, nekuti ini ndoda kupinda mumubatanidzwa zvishoma zvakadzika mukati mechinguva, asi ngationgororei chimwe chinhu icho, ndakaona tsvakiridzo yako yePhD yakaonekwa kune agile maitiro.

Vatungamiriri vangashandisa sei hutungamiriri hwakasimba pasi pematanda akasimba? Isu tinoona, zviri pachena muindasitiri yekuvaka kana zvinofarirwa zvemagetsi mapurojekiti.

Gretchen Gagel: Ehe. Worley Williams naLawler, Christopher Worley akanyora bhuku pamusoro pemaitiro aya uye, uye ivo vakanyatsoaziva. Ndakashandisa tsvakiridzo yavo seyokutanga tsvakiridzo yedissertation yangu, saka ndinoda kuvapa kiredhiti yakazara.

Uye kune bhuku rinonzi The Agility Factor kana vanhu vachida kuverenga nezvaro. Uye chaizvo, Linda Holbeck akanyora. [00:20:00] Rimwe bhuku guru nezve agility. Ini handina vese vakagara pamberi pangu, saka ndinovimba, asi Linda Hol naChristopher Worley, vaviri vanozivikanwa. nyanzvi, Linda mukati England naChristopher muCalifornia,

Ini ndaida kunzwisisa kuburikidza nekutsvagisa kwangu kuti vatungamiriri vanogadzira sei masangano ane hunyanzvi, uye saka ndakayera muzvikamu zvebhizinesi zana nemakumi maviri nenhanhatu maitiro evatungamiriri sekutaurwa kwazvinoitwa nevanhu vanovashandira. Uye izvi, kuvapo kwezvirongwa izvi zvina. Uye zvinonakidza, izvo zvandakawana, uye mamwe emakambani agile mukudzidza kwangu, pakanga paine 126 makambani, 47 bhizinesi zvikamu aive makambani ekuvaka.

Uye ndinofunga nekuti isu tiri kugara tichigadzirisa kuita mapurojekiti akasiyana uye tinobata nezvakawanda, izvo zvinotenderera. muzvarirwo yekuvaka, boom uye bust, idiki diki yeboom uye bust indasitiri yatinonyatso hunyanzvi pairi. Asi sezvo nyika iri kuramba ichiwedzera kuoma. Kugona kwedu [00:21:00] kuti tione kwete chete zviri kuitika muindasitiri yedu, asi zviri kuitika munyika izvo zvichafambisa shanduko muindasitiri yedu.

Maitiro isu Agile kuronga ndezvekuona kuti munhu wese nechinzvimbo chese anonzwisisa zano redu kuitira kuti zviito zvezuva nezuva zvienderane nezvakanyanya kukosha zvesangano. Iyo yakaderera zvibodzwa zvezvirongwa zvina ndeye agile test. Uye ndiko kuve nekuomarara pakuedza kwatinoita zvinhu.

Saka kwete kungoti, Hei, handei tinoedza izvi. Mm-hmm. Handifungi kuti izvozvo zvakashanda. asi kwete kungopa vanhu vakabatikana chimwe chinhu kuti vaedzewo, nokuti kana zvakadaro hatidaro, kana zvakundikana, hatizivi kuti zvakakundikana nokuti yaiva pfungwa yakaipa kana kuti, nokuti takangopa vanhu vakabatikana chaizvo vaiva nemamwe mabasa. asi sei isu, uye ini ndinofunga izvi zvinouya mukushaikwa kwe r uye d mukuvaka nekuti hapana munhu anoda kuyedza chero chinhu pachirongwa chavo uye kuti tiri kunyatso kupinza miganhu ye [00:22:00] tekinoroji, kugamuchirwa, kuchengetedza, nezvimwewo.

Saka hongu, ini ndaida kudzidza agility uye kune akawanda makuru vanofunga kunze uko pamusoro weiyo agility uye maitiro ekuvaka ayo maitirwo muzvikwata zvako nemasangano.

Jackie De Burca: Ehe, uye ndinoreva, sezvawakatobata paGretchen, ino inguva yakanyanya kunetsa apo agility inodiwa chaizvo, kune vanhu vanoshanda mukuvaka.

Gretchen Gagel: Ehe. Zvakanaka, Eric Topel, izvo ini, zvandakangonzwa, akanyorwa bhuku idzva pamusoro pekukwegura. Zviri, zviri muhurongwa. Inofanira kunge iri kuonekwa nhasi, asi akanyora rimwe bhuku rinonzi The Patient. Tichakuona izvozvi, uye ndezvekuvhiringwa muindasitiri yezvehutano, munhu wese anofanira kuzviverenga nekuti. zvinhu hazvisi kuzonyanya kuoma mumakumi mashoma anotevera.

kugona kwedu kuve takasimba mukupindura kune shanduko idzodzo kunovimbisa hupenyu hurefu hwemasangano edu. Ndakanakidzwa chaizvo nekuidzidza muPhD yangu.

Jackie De Burca: [00:23:00] Hongu, ndingati rinonzwika sebhuku rinonakidza kwazvo. Uye ndingati kubva pane zvawataura nezvazvo, Gretchen, kuti unoziva, hakusi kungoramba wakashinga kusangano rako, asi kune yako wega, kunzwa nezvekugarisana kwauri kuita munyika.

Nokuti iyi ndiyo nguva yakaoma zvikuru munhoroondo.

Gretchen Gagel: Hongu, hongu. Uye pane chitsauko pamusoro pekugona mubhuku rangu. Ini handina kukwanisa kudzidza agility muPhD yangu uye kusaisanganisira Mubhuku rangu zvakare, pane chaizvo vanhu vakatsvaga agility padanho rega rega nekuti unonditarisa, ini ndabva pakumhanyisa mafekitori ekugadzira kuenda kune manejimendi kubvunzana, kushandira iyo hombe, yekudyara banking zano kambani mukuvaka.

Ndakabva ndambozorora vana vangu vava nemakore manomwe nesere. Ndakamhanyisa hwaro husina purofiti kwemakore mashanu. Ndaiva mutevedzeri wemukuru wechikoro chebhizimisi. Unyanzvi ihwohwo hunofambiswa sei? Kubva pachinzvimbo kuenda pachinzvimbo. Ipapo ndakadzoka sapurezidhendi weimwe femu inobvunzurudza mu, maneja weindasitiri yokuvaka.

Saka, tichifunga nezvekuti tinoramba sei takasimba, isu sei [00:24:00] ramba uchida kuziva, ndicho chimwe chinhu pamusoro pangu. vanhu vanoseka nezvekuva nemadhigirii mana, izvo ini ndiri wekutanga kukoreji akapedza kudzidza, ndinongoda kuziva nezvezvinhu. Ndinofunga neuroscience inogona kunge iri chinhu chinotevera chandinoenda kunodzidza, zvakadaro. Kufarira zvinhu zvese zvatiri kudzidza nezvehuropi hwedu.

Jackie De Burca: Okay. Zvakanaka, ini ndichakukandira chimwe chinhu imomo, nekuti tichaita diki miniseries munaGunyana ine chap iri muCambridge kuUK panguva ino, uye dzidziso yake ndeyekusimba kweurouros, inova iri nyore kwazvo vhezheni, kuti neuroplasticity plasticity yehuropi inobatwa sei ne inovakwa nharaunda, ose mazita.

Wow. Ehe, chaizvo. Zvose zviri zviviri chikamu chayo chechisikigo uye chikamu chakavakwa chayo.

Gretchen Gagel: iwe unoziva, dai wakandiudza makore makumi maviri apfuura kuti izwi rekuti neuroplasticity raizobuda mumuromo mangu nguva dzose, ndingadai ndataura chaizvo? Asi hongu, kwete, zvinoita.

Ini ndinotaura nezve neuroplasticity zvakanyanya, asi ndizvo [00:25:00] inonakidza pfungwa.

Jackie De Burca: Hongu, ndizvo. Ndizvo zvazviri. Asi teerera, zvakaringana nezve, zita remukomana uyu ndiMohammed zvakakwana nezvekutaura nezvazvo. Chokwadi tichabatana nazvo. Asi ngatidzokere kune zvakaitika kwauri, Gretchen. Uye zvakadini nezvipingamupinyi zvehurongwa izvo zvakabata vakadzi kumashure muzvikamu izvo, munoziva, iwe wakabatanidzwa mukuvaka, kuchera simba uye zvichingodaro.

Hutungamiri uye kupindira kwetsika kungabvisa sei izvo?

Gretchen Gagel: tine, unofanira kutanga nerusarura. iwe zvechokwadi, uye kunzwisisa, uye vanhu vanoti, hatifaniri kuisa pfungwa pane quotas kana kuti hatifaniri kuisa pfungwa pane data, asi iwe unofanira kunyatsonzwisisa, uye ndakabvunza mumwe munhu, mutungamiri mukuru kwazvo rimwe zuva, chii chinonzi turnover yako yevarume nevakadzi?

Uye havana kuziva mhinduro kune izvozvo. Uye ivo vanoda chaizvo kutarisa kuwana vakadzi vazhinji musangano ravo uye ivo ikambani yekuvaka. Saka tinofanira kutanga nedata. Kana wako [00:26:00] turnover yevakadzi inopetwa katatu pane zvayakaita varume, why then you dig into that. Chii chikonzero, sei vakadzi vachisiya sangano renyu uye kana, kuzviona nezera kana kutarisa kumashure, asi ndezvekutanga nedata uye kunyatsonzwisisa kuti ndiani ari kubudirira musangano redu, uyo asiri kubudirira musangano redu.

I. Ndakagara mumusangano nemumwe murume wechidiki anova mugadziri wezvivakwa, akaenda kunoshanda kune imwe kambani yekuvaka uye aine chokwadi chekuti aizonzwa sekunge aive wake. Iye haasi Caucasian. Uye akati mushure megore, ini, ndagadzirira kuenda. Ini, ini, handikoshesi tsika. Handioni vanhu vakaita seni.

uye saka, hongu, uye, uye zvinonakidza nekuti ndinoramba ndiine mutsara uyu uchipinda mukati, uye izvi zvine chekuita nechikoro. Ndiri kutanga vakadzi vari kubudirira mukuvaka.org ndiyo webhusaiti. Mm-hmm. Uye inotarisirwa kuve yepasi rose Institute [00:27:00] mberi, vakadzi. Asi ndinoramba ndichifunga mutsara uyu, tinoda vakadzi.

Uye kana tikazotevera izvozvo zvine hukasha sezvatakaita mushure mekuchengetedzwa kwemuviri makore makumi matatu apfuura apo varidzi vakatanga kuti, Hei, kana iwe usina rekodhi redziviriro yeizvi, hausi kuzokwanisa kubhadharisa mabasa edu. Uye izvo zvakafambisa shanduko yakawanda. Kana iyo CERT neCII, mamwe masangano makuru, iyo Indasitiri yekuvaka, yakakomba nezvekuchengetedza, kuchengetedzeka kwemuviri, uye ikozvino tinoona kutariswa kumwe chete iko zvino pahutano hwepfungwa,

Unofanira kutaura, kana tichida vakadzi, kana tichida. vanhu vane mamiriro akasiyana, iwe unofanirwa kusendamira mune izvo uye iwe unofanirwa kuve wakatendeseka zvine hutsinye paunotarisa boka rako rehutungamiriri hwepamusoro uye izvo zvinotaridzika. hongu, ndiko kutanga.

Ingove wakatendeseka zvehutsinye uye tanga nedata uye wotanga [00:28:00] nezvinangwa zvako. Munoziva, ndakashanyira saiti yangu. Handichatodoma zita renyika. Unofanira kudzivirira vasina mhosva, handiti? Uye mukadzi wese wandakaona aive blonde, Ari pasi pemakore makumi mana uye blonde. Uye se, gosh, havana mabrunettes munharaunda ino yenyika here?

Ah mudiwa. Uye ivo vanodaro, asi, asi iwe unoziva, pane imwe mhando yekusarura iri kuitika mune watinohaya uye isu tinohaya vanhu vanoita sesu uye zvinoita kuti tinzwe takasununguka. Saka zvakadaro, zvakangodaro, zvakaoma chaizvo, asi iwe unofanirwa kutanga uine icho chinangwa chaicho. Tinoda vakadzi kana kuti tinoda vanhu vane magariro akasiyana, kana kuti tinoda vechidiki, kana chero chinangwa ichocho.

Kunyanya nekuti, Pane. Tsvagiridzo yakakura zvekuti zvikwata zvinoumbwa nevanhu vakasiyana uye zvikwata zvinosanganisira vakadzi vane hungwaru pamwechete. Hazvina basa kuti chii [00:29:00] yakabatana IQ ndeyechikwata, ndezvechokwadi kuunza izvo zvakasiyana kufunga.

Jackie De Burca: Ndizvo.

Gretchen Gagel: Ehe. Zvakanaka, heino muenzaniso mudiki. Ndine rambi rekare raive rasekuru vangu. Ndiyo, inzombe. Aive, iye, akasimudza mombe nhema dzeAngus sechido chekutandara, uye anobva kuScotland uye ane mumvuri uyu usipo, haachina matanda pamusoro zvakare, uye, uye ndinoda chaizvo kuti idzoserwe.

Izvi zvakangoitika nezuro. Zvino ndakapinda munzvimbo ino, yemwenje yandakataura nayo parunhare. Vakati, tingakwanisa kukubatsira. Uye munhu wekutanga akaita senge, aiwa, handifunge kuti tinogona kuita chero chinhu nazvo. Ndikati, zvakanaka, ndakataura nemukadzi uyu parunhare. Ava kuda kudzoka kubva kulunch.

Ipapo murume akadzungaira. Saka munguva pfupi tave vana vedu. Uye isu takauya nemhinduro yekutenga mwenje wemwenje wakaenzana saizi. Uye kutsveta yepakutanga pamusoro payo. Ndiri injiniya, handiti? Ini ndinogona kufunga nzira yekubatanidza iyi mumvuri kune imwe. Asi zvakatora vana vedu kuti tizive kuti toita sei [00:30:00] dzosa mwenje uyu uye shure kwokunge wokutanga ati, kwete, hatigoni kukubatsira.

Uye icho chingori chidiki kwazvo muenzaniso we. Kuunza kufunga kwakasiyana. Hapana mumwe wedu, isu tese takauya nepfungwa pamwe chete nekuti takangoramba tichikanda zvinhu kunze uko uye, o, ko kana tikaedza izvi uye ko tikaedza izvo? Saka ndinofunga kuti chimwe chinhu chakaitika nezuro chandinofunga kuti chinoratidza simba racho, rezvikwata zvakasiyana-siyana zviri kufunga nezvematambudziko.

Jackie De Burca: Zvirokwazvo, zvirokwazvo. Uye inotungamira zvakanaka mumubatanidzwa, izvo zviri pachena kuti imwe yako, iwe unoziva, yakakosha uye yepakati misoro. Iwe unosimbisa, Gretchen, kuti vabatsiri vechirume vakakosha pakushandurwa kweindasitiri.

Gretchen Gagel: Sangano reAustralian Constructors Association, CA raive nevakadzi vakawanda mubhodhi sevarume. Uye ndakafunga, uye iyi ndiyo, 19 makuru makondirakiti muAustralia. Australia ine 27 miriyoni vanhu, saka imusika mudiki pane America. Uye ndakafunga, [00:31:00] wow, hameno kuti sei vaine vakadzi vakawanda kudaro. Zvakanaka, chikonzero chakaita kuti vave nevakadzi vakawanda ndechekuti vatatu, vanga vaine bhodhi revarume uye vatatu vevarume.

Akagara ipapo rimwe zuva akati, izvi hazvina musoro. tinoda kufunga kwakasiyana uye taida kuti kambani yese itaure mukadzi co-director, uye ndinofunga pane mumwe kana maviri asina kudaro, asi angangoita makumi mashanu%. Vakadzi, makumi mashanu kubva muzana varume, uye ndave kuziva vanhu vakati wandei vari mubhodhi zvino, uye vakaerekana, munoziva, gore rekutanga zvakandinetsa.

Varume vakangoti, maiwee, manje mava nevakadzi vese ava mumba. Uye zvino zvangove zvakajairika. Kungoti ivo vakajairisa nyaya yekuti vane vakadzi vakawanda mumba. Asi vakanga vari shamwari dzechirume. Mukadzi angadai asina kumbokwanisa kuita shanduko iyoyo. Zvino ndipo panonzi varume vane hushingi hwekusimuka vachiti, saSteve Davies weAustralian Pipeline and Gas Association vandambotaura nezvavo, ava ndivo varume vanoti tinofanira kuita zvakasiyana.

Handizivi kuti mhinduro ndeyei, [00:32:00] asi ngatifungei nezvazvo neimwe nzira.

Jackie De Burca: Chokwadi. Iwe une mimwe mienzaniso here, Gretchen, kunze kweAustralia, yeimwe kambani kana, mamiriro apo murume allyship akachinja chaizvo tsika yebasa uye akavhurwa

Gretchen Gagel: mikova yevamwe? Ehe. Zvakanaka, ndinoreva, ndakamubvunzurudza nezve bhuku nekuti ndakati, Lou, ndichanyora nezve izvi.

Ndinoda kuona kuti nyaya idzi ichokwadi. Pandakabatana neFMI muna 94, saka ndiyo yaive yekudyara banking manejimendi yekubvunza, yakasimba. Ndaive mukadzi number two. Saka mukadzi wekutanga paRalston mukadzi nhamba mbiri kuFMII aiita basa remakondirakiti, uye isu taive nemakondirakiti akati, gosh, Gretchen, uchatumira Gretchen kumusoro.

Ndinofunga ndinoda saJohn kana David kana mumwe munhu kuti aite zvangu strategic plan. Uye mhinduro yaLou yaive. Iwe uchada kuenda kunotsvaga imwe kambani nekuti Gretchen inhengo yakakosha yechikwata chedu uye izvo, [00:33:00] uye ndakanzwisisa kukosha ipapo, asi ini zvechokwadi ndinonzwisisa kukosha ikozvino.

Uye chokwadi chakakwana, gore rakatevera pandakazviwana ndava nepamuviri nemwana wangu wekutanga uye ndakanga ndiri, munoziva, ndaibhururuka makiromita 140,000 13 pagore, mazuva mana pavhiki, ndakagara pasi kuti ndimuudze uye akati, inongova imwe nzvimbo yedata. Tichagadzirisa izvi. Uye takadaro. Zvino ndakanga ndava nevana vaviri takaparadzana nemwedzi XNUMX izvo zvakaita kuti ndiende nendege kwemakore maviri.

Inonakidza chaizvo. ndokubva ndaita manager ikoko ndokutanga zvangu business unit. Uyezve ndakahaya vamwe vakadzi muFMI uye ndakavadzidzisa uye ndikavatsigira kuti vabudirire. Asi zvakatora Lou. kuve nechokwadi chekuti ndainzwa senge ndiri wake, kuti aizondimiririra, akange ave kundidzosera, uye izvo zvakazoita kuti ndigare uye zvakaita kuti ndive mumwe wevatungamiriri vatanhatu ipapo.

Uye, chaizvo ndinofunga yakavhura musuwo wekuti vakadzi vazhinji vabudirire [00:34:00] FMI.

Jackie De Burca: Iyo inyaya inoshamisa uye zviripachena, hombe, kurudziro kungoteerera kuti kukurumidza kushanduka kunogona kuitika sei kana paine munhu akaita senge munhu wawaibata naye ipapo, uye nekukurumidza sei izvo zvinogona kuitika uye kuti zvinorevei kune wese anobatanidzwa.

Gretchen Gagel: Zvakanaka dzokera kuRalston Purina. Ndakashanda pane chimwe chirimwa muOklahoma kwemakore maviri. Ndakashanda nzira yangu kuburikidza kudzidza program. Pane imwe nguva, akaudza maneja wechirimwa, ndiri kunze kuno. Ndiri kuenda kuchikoro chemutemo. Ndaneta nekunhuwa kunge chikafu chembwa mazuva ese. Akati, kwete, kwete, kwete. Tinokupa chirimwa chako wega.

Mark Burns akandipa chirimwa chezviyo muDavenport, Iowa kuti ndishande. Chaive chimwe chezvirimwa zvina ipapo. Saka mukati memakore maviri ndakanga ndava nemuriwo wangu ndega. Uye takagadzira cereal ndokubva iyo O Brand craze yakarova uye ndaifanira kufunga kuti ndoita sei kuti iende kubva kushift imwe kuenda kumashifiti matatu ndogadzira O brand, yatisina kugadzirwa.

Uye ndakazviita zvinobudirira. Uye saka saka Ron Herbs aive mukuru wevose vana [00:35:00] zvinomera izvozvo, takatenga beach nut baby food. Ndakapinda muhofisi yake, ndikati, ndiperekedze tose kuNew York. Iye ndokuti, Handina basa newe. Ndikati, handina basa nazvo. Ini, ndinofunga chichava chiitiko chikuru chekudzidza. Tichagadzirisa chimwe chinhu.

mukati memwedzi mitanhatu ndanga ndichimhanyisa chirimwa ichocho nevashandi 800, uye ndaiva nemakore 26, 27. I can just imagine matauriro aakaita nevanhu vaifunga kuti kwaiva kubhohwa chaiko kundiisa mutongi wefekisheni iyi yataiedza kutendeuka kuti tiputse.

Asi, Uye chakazove chiitiko chikuru. Uye ipapo ndakamhanyisa divi rekugovera kwegore. saka hongu, varume vanobatana vakaita basa rakakura. Ndinoda kutaura kuti shamwari dzechikadzi dzakaita, asi pakanga pasina vakadzi pamusoro pangu. Munoziva, pakanga pasina kana kunditsigira kana kundidzidzisa. Ndakanga ndisina kana mukadzi wekutarisa.

Kwemakore 20 okutanga ebasa rangu, ndakanga ndisina ziro.

Jackie De Burca: Hongu, ndinoreva, zviri pachena ndinofunga handisi kuzopinda muzera ripi uye kuti ndiri zera ripi, asi isu hatisi kure zvakanyanya, handifunge, mumazera. Saka ndave, unoziva, [00:36:00] zviitiko zvakafanana kwauri pasina kuve munzira imwechete yebasa sewe.

Gretchen, kudzokera kuzvikwata zvinosanganisirwa uye ndinofunga kuvasungirira mukati, munoziva, kuvaka, engineering, rudzi irwo rwechinhu. Sei iwe uchinzwa kubatanidzwa kwakasungwa zvakadaro? Kuvandudza mune idzo mhando dzemaindasitiri?

Gretchen Gagel: Oo, zvakanaka, ndinoreva kuti yangodzokera kutsvagurudzo. kana vanhu vakaenda kupodcast yangu, ukuru, pane murume anonzi Robert Marshall.

Bob Marshall neni takasangana naye pandakatanga kudzidzisa paAustralian National University pandakatamira kuAustralia, uye anga achidzidza zvikwata nezvikwata zvehunyanzvi. Akadzidza se, handizive, 800 zvikwata kana chimwe chinhu chinopenga. Uye data rake rekuita kwechikwata rinongoshamisa. Uye kugona kubatana, kugona kugadzira uye kuti izvo zvakabatana sei nekusiyana kwechikwata.

Saka. Zvinonetsa [00:37:00] nekuti chokwadi chakadzokera kwauri haugone kupokana nechokwadi, handiti? Nezvekuita kwechikwata uye kune kungo tsvagurudza kwakawanda kunze uko. Uye kwandiri, kana usiri kutora mukana weizvozvo, mukwikwidzi wako ari kutora mukana weizvozvo, handiti?

Saka izvi ndezvekuramba tichikwikwidza, uye kutaura zvazviri, Sam Clark, uyo, Clark Construction naLansing, akauya akataura neni zvakare kuGC. mushure mekuita nhamburiko dzakakosha dzekuona kusaziva kwavo uye zvinhu mukambani yavo, vane vakadzi vanorova mukova kuti vaende kubasa.

Vakakura zvakanyanya uye vane pundutso yakapetwa ka10. Saka kana vanhu vakateerera vakafunga, zvakanaka, izvi ndezvekungove akanaka kumhando dzakasiyana dzevanhu kana chero, isarudzo yebhizinesi. Uye anoti, ndinoisa pfungwa pazviri nekuti ndinoziva kuti vakwikwidzi vangu havasi, uye zviri kundipa mukana wekukwikwidza.

Jackie De Burca: Ehe. Ndinoreva, zvinongoratidzika kwandiri senge imhando yebhizinesi inofanirwa [00:38:00] idzokororwe nguva nenguva nekuti uri kuputsa zvipingamupinyi, unoziva, uri kupa mikana kune marudzi ese evanhu uye uri kugadzira tsika yekubatanidzwa.

Gretchen Gagel: Ehe. Uye, nekuda kwezvikonzero zvakangwara zvekuita izvozvo.

uye zvinonakidza. Ndinonakidzwa chaizvo. Ndinofarira kuona marudzi akasiyana evanhu achibudirira. Sezvandambotaura, ndine makore makumi matanhatu, saka ndichangozviisa kunze uko. Ndakasvitsa makore makumi matanhatu gore rapfuura uye Ndiko kwakava kundikurudzira kutanga iyi Institute zvakare. Nokuti ndakafunga. Izvi ndezvangu Nhaka apo chete 2.4% yevagadziri vemagetsi vari vanhukadzi muUS uye 1.9% yevagadziri vemvura hatisi kuita zvakanaka seindasitiri uye, vanhu vanongokanda maoko avo kumusoro vachiti, zvakanaka, hatikwanise kuvawana kana chero.

hachisi chikonzero chakanaka uye chinonakidza chaizvo. Ndinofunga kuti zvinonakidza chaizvo kugonesa [00:39:00] kubudirira kwemhando dzakasiyana dzevanhu uye kuvaona vachibudirira uye vachinzwa kuti ndeve uye vanoda indasitiri yedu. Ndinoda indasitiri yekuvaka uye yakakosha, ndinopedza nguva yakawanda nevanhu vari kunze kwekuvaka tichitaura nezveizvi.

Kugona kuchaja nharembozha dzedu, kuva nefiriji yezvokudya zvedu, kuti tikwanise kuzvitakura. Isu tinovaka nekuchengetedza zvinhu zvebudiriro, uye saka a kuvakwa kwakasimba indasitiri chinhu chinonetsa munharaunda. Kana isu tisina vanhu vekugadzirisa zvinhu, kana isu tisina vanhu vekuvaka zvinhu, data centers uye zvese izvo zvakakosha assets, mission yakakosha kuvaka, handiti?

hazvina kunaka kunzanga. apo tine kushomeka kwevanhu 750,000 290,000 muAmerica uye kushomeka kwevashandi vekuvaka XNUMX XNUMX muAustralia. [00:40:00] Idambudziko repasi rose ratinoda kuti titarise kurigadzirisa.

Jackie De Burca: Ndizvo chaizvo. Ndizvo chaizvo. Ikozvino wabuda nezera rako. Ndine makore 57, saka ndingori mudiki nemakore matatu.

Ndine zuva rekuzvarwa rakakosha iri pamberi pangu, uye ndinofungidzira hongu, ndaizova nezvakawanda. tsitsi uye manzwiro akafanana pamusoro penhaka uye, iwe unoziva, rudzii rwemutsauko mumwe munhu anogona kuita nehupenyu hwake uye nekuunza yako ruzivo rwehupenyu uye chii chauchaita mune yako chaiyo?

Iwe une bhuku hongu, uye une, unoziva, zvinhu zvakawanda zvinoshamisa. Asi ngatitaure nezvei. Iwe unoziva, zvakakosha izvozvi pamwe nezvatataura kusvika parizvino, uye ndinotenda kuti ndivo vakadzi vari kubudirira muKuvaka Institute.

Gretchen Gagel: Hongu. Vakadzi vari kubudirira mukuvaka, sangano repasi rose.

Zvakanaka, saka ndechipi chiono chako cheushingi icho? Chiono changu cheushingi ndechekuti tine muindasitiri yekuvaka. Uye chikonzero, hazvireve kudzokorora chero chinhu icho chero munhu [00:41:00] kuita. Saka une naic, akadudza Naww muAustralia, National Association of Women in Construction, akawanda emasangano akasiyana uye ini, uye ini ndinoona isu tiri padanho rekupana nevakadzi vari mukuvaka nekuda kwekushomeka.

Asi zvandinoona uye ini ndinofunga nekuti ini ndinogovera nguva yangu pakati peAustralia neAmerica, saka ndinogara pane yekuvaka indasitiri tsika basa reAustralia. Iyo aggs kusiyana uye kubatanidzwa. Ndiri kuona tumwe tumirami twakawanda twezvinhu, asi hapana arikuchishandura kuita moto unopfuta. Uye ndizvo chaizvo zvatiri kuedza kuita paInstitute.

Tichangobva kuburitsa chidzidzo chedu chechipiri. Saka kungotanga ne, zvakare zvakare, yakanaka data. Heino makumi maviri makuru, yekutanga, nyika makumi maviri dzine mari yakawanda yekuvaka. Vanhukadzi izanai? China iri kutungamira ne20%, ndinofunga. Australia yaive pamakore gumi nematatu, United States, pamwe pa20. Nyika zhinji dzeSouth America dziri pa16.

takabva taita study yatakango buditsa [00:42:00] Ndechipi chirongwa chakakosha mune imwe neimwe yenyika idzi chiri kusimudzira vakadzi. Uye ikozvino tiri kuita chidzidzo neFFMI ishamwari yedu yekutsvaga. Hombe, hombe, shevedzera kuFMI. Uye isu tiri kubatana neNational Center Yekuvaka Dzidzo uye Tsvagiridzo, NCCER pa, chidzidzo chekutanga che.

Kutengeserana kwese muAmerica, chikamu chipi chikadzi. Saka tine nheyo dzakanaka. Ndosaka ndichiziva kuti 2.4% yevagadziri vemagetsi vanhukadzi. Isu tinotarisirwa kuve iyi sosi yepasi rose yedata pamusoro pechimiro chevakadzi uye mukokeri wevakashinga vanofunga. Kuziva chero nzira dzave kushanda dzinoda kuyerwa, uye tinovimba munzira tichange tichikwidza mari yekuyera zvinhu kana zvakare, zvinhu zvatisina kumbofunga nezvazvo.

Asi kana tikawana ava vanofunga vakashinga mukamuri pamwe chete, mudunhu, nyika, kana nhanho yepasirese, kuti tiri kuuya nemamwe, mazano matsva. [00:43:00] Uye isu taiva neizvi, uye kuyera ndiyo mbiru yedu yechitatu. Uye ipapo mbiru yedu yechina ndeyekubatana pamwe chete, Simudza vanhu vari kuita basa rinokurudzira kuburikidza nekutaura nyaya dzepasi rose uye kunyatsojekesa chiedza pazvinhu zvakanaka zviri kuitika munyika idzi dzakasiyana.

Saka vanhu vanogara vocherechedza voenda, oh gosh, vane 30% yevakadzi pachirongwa chavo chekuvaka. Maya Rosenquist naMortenson vakangomhanyira maari. Ishamwari yakanaka. Vane chirongwa chine 30% yevakadzi. Vakasvika sei ku30% Vakadzi, vashandi vesimbi muBoston vane 20% yevakadzi munharaunda yavo. Vakazviita sei?

Tinozvidzokorora sei uye tinopemberera sei? Zvinhu zvakanaka zviri kuitika zviri kuunza vanhu vakasiyana muindasitiri yedu. Saka hongu, ibasa guru kutanga sangano repasi rose kubva pakutanga, asi isu tine webhusaiti, sezvandakataura, vakadzi vari kubudirira uye kuvaka.

Jackie De Burca: Website.

Ehe. Ndine yakavhurika pano nekuti chiratidzo chako chiri kuuya kuburikidza newebhusaiti zvakajeka, saka [00:44:00] iyo webhusaiti yakanaka.

Gretchen Gagel: Ndatenda. Iko kutanga. Tichangobva kuwana yedu 5 0 1 C3 chimiro muUnited States masvondo matatu apfuura.

uye saka ikozvino kutsvaga mari kunotanga kupa mari kuedza. tave kutotanga kuzadza bhodhi redu remazano patinenge tichitaura. pane vanhu gumi nevanomwe vakabvumirana kuti vatungamiriri vane mukurumbira muindasitiri iyi, uye ndinovatenda zvikuru. Nekuti ivo vachijoinha, munoziva, vaimbove maCEO ekuvaka kwakakura kwazvo, makambani ekuvaka epasirese, anotumira meseji kuti iri ibasa rakakosha uye isu tiri.

Kumbundikira nekushandira pamwe nemarudzi ese akasiyana evanhu, kufambisira mberi basa iri. Saka hongu, zvinonakidza, zvinotyisa, asi iwe unoziva, kudzokera kumubvunzo wezera. mumwe wevasikana vangu vakatanga basa risingabatsiri makore apfuura rakatenderedza vakadzi mufirimu. Pandakamuudza nezvepfungwa iyi, [00:45:00] akanditarisa ndokuti, une makore mangani?

panguva yandakanga ndava namakore makumi mashanu namapfumbamwe uye ndakati, 59. Akati kwandiri, Une shato makore asara mauri aurawa. Ndakabuda ndikatenga shato.

Jackie De Burca: Zvakanaka,

Gretchen Gagel: Ndine tambo. Ndiri kuzvitarisa izvozvi. Rakafanana nemamita kure neni. asi chinondipa hushingi hwekuzviita vanhu vese vandakakumbira kuti vabatsirwe bhodhi rangu, komiti yedu yezvirongwa, tiri kuvaka komiti yedu yekutsvagisa nekugadzira yedu pfupi uye yenguva refu yekutsvagisa.

Saka handisi kuuya kwazviri ndichiti, ndine mhinduro, ndine shungu yekuita mutsauko, uye ndichatsvaga vanhu vakangwara, vakashinga kuti vandibatsire kufunga kuti mhinduro ndedzipi.

Jackie De Burca: Ehe, ndinofunga ipfungwa inoshamisa uye zvinangwa uye zvirongwa zvaunazvo zviripo. Ndinotenda kuti tichava nehurukuro pamwe mumakore maviri kusvika matatu nguva, uye unenge wazadzisa akati wandei aatove,

Gretchen Gagel: Ndakafunga nezvazvo for four [00:46:00] makore uye ini ndakazosvika padanho rekuti, gosh, darn it, unozozvidemba kana ukasazviita. Uye handigoni kuita kuti zvinhu zvinyanye kuipa. Hazvina kunge ndinogona kuita kuti mamiriro acho awedzere, handiti? Saka ndakazotaura chero maitiro andinogona kuita mumakore gumi anotevera, makore gumi anotevera.

uye sangano rinorarama kwenguva refu pashure paizvozvo. Ndosaka ndakatanga seasina purofiti uye, hongu. Saka zvinofadza. Zvinofadza. Ndizvo chaizvo

Jackie De Burca: Ndinofanira kutaura, Gretchen, ndinoda kuita imwe hurukuro, unoziva, apo, kana nguva yakwana kwauri kuti tiite, chiitiko chekuvandudza, iwe unoziva.

Gretchen Gagel: Ndingada izvozvo. Kunyatsoda izvozvo. Ndanakidzwa chaizvo, kuva pano, kutaura newe nhasi.

Jackie De Burca: Saizvozvowo, saizvozvo. Zvino, ndeipi imwe ngano yehutungamiriri yaungade kubhuroka izvozvi, Gretchen,

Gretchen Gagel: kuti introverts havagoni kuva vatungamiri. Uye ndinonzwa izvozvo nguva dzose. Zvakanaka, ndiri introvert uye ndinoziva akawanda introverts akadaro [00:47:00] vatungamiriri vanoshamisa.

Introverts pavanenge vachipedza simba rakawanda nevanhu, vanofanirwa kuenda kuchaja mabhatiri avo nekuve vega. Uye, saka tine izvi, aya maparadigms pamusoro, uye zvinosuruvarisa isu takasimbisa izvi muindasitiri yekuvaka nekuti unonditarisa, ndanga ndakagara patafura.

Aifanira kuva rudzi irworwo kuti abudirire mukuvaka makore 40 apfuura. asi kudzokera kukugadzira nzvimbo yemarudzi akasiyana evanhu, vanhu vakasiyana vane manzwi akanyorovera, vanhu vanofunga nenzira dzakasiyana. Uye, hongu, zvachose introverts inogona kuva. Vatungamiriri vakuru

Isu tinofunga kuti sezvatinofambira mberi sevatungamiriri, zvinoreva kuti tinofanirwa kuve nemhinduro dzakawanda. Ndinofunga isu tine mhinduro shoma. Tine mimwe mibvunzo. vatungamiri vakuru vanobvunza mibvunzo mikuru. pandakasiya chigaro semutungamiri weContinuum Advisory Group ndikapa tsvimbo kune mumwe mukadzi, mudiki kwandiri nemakore makumi maviri, ndakati kwaari, usadaro. [00:48:00] kanganwa, hazvisi zvekuva nemhinduro.

Zviri zvekuva nemibvunzo. Uye, saka kusanzwa kumanikidzwa ikoko. Ndezvekuvaka hukama uye kuvimbana uye kugonesa kubudirira kwevanhu vaunoshanda navo. Saka hongu, ndiwo angave maviri andaizotanga kuenda,

Jackie De Burca: Vanhu vazhinji havaizondidaidza semuzivisi, asi ndaizoda nguva yakawanda kwandiri kuti ndipora mushure. Chero rudzi, rudzi rwakafanana, kusangana, muboka guru kana kunyange boka duku. Saka hongu, ini zvirokwazvo ndinowana iyo yakawanda. Zvino chechipiri, ndinofunga kuti, unoziva, mukupera kwezuva, kana uri mutungamiri anoziva kana kuda kuziva zvese, chokwadi urikuuya semudzvanyiriri kupfuura chero chinhu chipi zvacho.

Gretchen Gagel: Ehe. Hapana anofarira kuva nemunhu anofunga kuti ndiye munhu akachenjera kupfuura vamwe vose mumba. Ndizvo. uye iyo, inonakidza kuenda, gosh, heino dambudziko iri ratiri kutarisana naro. Munhu wose anofungei? Uye vatungamiriri vakuru vanotaura kwekupedzisira nekuti kana wangoisa maonero ako patafura, ndizvozvo.

uchaita [00:49:00] kunyarara kufunga pamusoro pezvinhu. Saka iko kugona kunyatso pinda mumba woti. Hei, pane chiri kuitika. Ngatitaurei pamusoro pekuti munofungei pamusoro peizvi, uye nekungokwanisa kugara nekuteerera. Ndine shamwari yangu mutungamiri mukuru, mukuru mukuru wemakambani akasiyana uye anogara pamaoko ake panguva yemisangano kuti azviyeuchidze kuteerera manzwi evanhu vakasiyana.

hunyanzvi hwakakosha kudaro.

Jackie De Burca: Zvino, Gretchen, ndeipi meseji yekupedzisira yaungade kusiira nevakadzi vari kuedza kutungamira, asi zvakare kune varume vari kusarudza kubatana zvine mutsindo mumaindasitiri aya atanga tichikurukura?

Gretchen Gagel: Ehe. Aya maindasitiri haana kuputswa, asi anogona kuve ari nani.

Uye ndinovimba rudo rwangu kune aya maindasitiri, ndinopedza zuva rega rega nevanhu vari mumaindasitiri aya, kuti ndinoitira hanya zvakanyanya sei indasitiri. Uye saka handisi kuda kuuya seanotsoropodza, asi isu tine kushomeka kwetarenda, uye tanga tichitaura nezvazvo. [00:50:00] kwenguva yakareba, Vateereri kunze uko, vachinyatsotora izvi mumwoyo uye kukwanisa kufunga zvine mutsindo kutora nguva yekufunga zvine hungwaru pamusoro pekuti isu tinovaka sei indasitiri inosanganisirwa kuitira kuti marudzi akasiyana-siyana evanhu, mijenya uye mijenya yemarudzi akasiyana-siyana evanhu vari kubudirira mune iyi indasitiri.

Ndiko kungava kukumbira kwangu kuvateereri vako.

Jackie De Burca: pane zvimwe here zvaungada kuwedzera tisati tazvipeta

Gretchen Gagel: Ehe, kwete, ndinofunga watora pfungwa dzangu dzakachena, Jackie. Ndidzo pfungwa dzangu dzose dzakanaka dzezuva iri.

zvave zvichifadza kuva pano ndichitaura newe, mukana wekutaura nezvebhuku uye nesangano uye, uye. Kungofunga nezvehutungamiriri, iyo, inogara iri neuroplasticity, rimwe remashoko angu andinoda, asi wanga uri mufaro kutaura newe.

Jackie De Burca: Saka ndave naGretchen Gel uye ruzivo rwese izvo. Inonyatsoenderana nehurukuro yedu nhasi [00:51:00] iva pamapeji echirongwa aunokwanisa kuona pane yako yaunofarira podcast dhairekitori. Zvakare pane iyo Constructive Voices webhusaiti, saka iwe unenge uchitsvaga iyo Vakadzi Vanobudirira muKuvaka webhusaiti uye zvakare chinongedzo chekwaunogona kutenga bhuku raGretchen.

Wave mufaro chaiwo, Gretchen. Ndokutenda zvikuru. Ndatenda, Jackie. Kunakirwa chaiko.

Takataura nemadzimai akawanda anokurudzira mumakore apfuura.

"Sango ndiwo mudzi wehupenyu hwese; imimba inomutsiridza hunhu hwedu hwehupenyu, inodzamisa njere uye inowedzera kunzwa kwedu sevanhu." Akira Miyawaki 

Ona izvi podcast inoratidzira Catherine Cleary, mumwe wevagadziri vePocket Forests muIreland.