Greening Ireland: Kubva Pocket Forests kuenda kuNative Woodlands naCatherine Cleary,S4, E11
- Sarah Austin
- June 2, 2025
Greening Ireland: Kubva Pocket Forests kuenda kuNative Woodlands naCatherine Cleary
'Greening Ayarendi: Kubva muhomwe masango kuna Native Woodlands NaCatherine Cleary' chinhu chakagadzirwa na Sarah Austin.
Nguva pfupi yadarika takava nemufaro wekutaura naCatherine Cleary, munyori, mutori wenhau, uye CEO & Co-muvambi wePocket Forests. Kuve nekunyora uye nekunyora pamwe 4 mabhuku uye anga ari Resitorendi Anotsoropodza yeIrish Times kweanopfuura makore gumi, Catherine parizvino akatarisisa kwaari muzvarirwo, mamiriro ekunze uye kurima Ireland.
Muna 2020, Catherine akatanga mapurojekiti maviri: imwe, yekutanga bhizinesi rekudyara masango madiki mukati. vemunharaunda nharaunda, uye imwe, kudyara masango ake ega ega mumaeka makumi mana evhu.
Pocket Forests ibhizinesi rezvemagariro rinounza zvisikwa mumataundi nemaguta akatenderedza Ireland nekugadzira homwe dzemiti yemuno nemakwenzi mukati menharaunda.
Muchikamu chino che Manzwi Anovaka Podcast, tinoongorora basa rePocket Forests mu urban greening yeIreland nebasa ravo mukubatanidza nharaunda dzedu nezvisikwa.
Isu tinokurukurawo nezverwendo rwega Catherine mukugadzira masango ake, The Forest Midwife documentary, uye maitiro e. varidzi venyika vakananga kudyara masango.
Sravana Sameeralu Serial 4th Podcast Episode
"Sango ndiwo mudzi wehupenyu hwese; imimba inomutsiridza hunhu hwedu hwehupenyu, inodzamisa njere uye inowedzera kunzwa kwedu sevanhu."
Akira Miyawaki [1]
Forestry muIreland
Kunyangwe 80% yenyika yakambofukidzwa nemasango, AyarendiNzvimbo yesango ikozvino inofungidzirwa kuva 808,848 ha, kana 11.6% yenzvimbo yose yevhu [2]. Pakati pezvikamu gumi nerimwe kubva muzana, zvipfumbamwe kubva muzana zvevhu zvakadyarwa miti iri kukura nekukurumidza howa semaspruce ekukurumidza kugadzira matanda, nepo 2% chete inodyarwa nemiti yemhando yemashizha [3]. Sitka spruce ndiyo yakajairika miti yemiti muIreland, inoita 44.6% yenzvimbo yese yesango [4].
Nyika ine nharidzano yegore negore yekudyara miti ye8,000 18 ha, nedonzo rokusvika 2050% kuvharwa kwesango panosvika gore ra5; zvisinei, kudyara kwakaramba kuchitadza kusvika pachinangwa ichi [XNUMX].
Pa11.6%, Ireland ine imwe yeakadzika sango akavharira chero nyika mune European Union, iyo ine avhareji yemiti inovhara 39% [6, 2].
Nyika dzine chikamu chepamusoro chemasango akavharwa muEU iFinland (66%), Siwidheni (63%), Slovenia (58%), Estonia (54%) uye Latvia (53%) [6].
YeIreland's Forestry Strategy 2022-2030
Ireland's Forestry Strategy inopa hurongwa hwekuwedzera nyika masango estate pakati pa2022 na2030 kugadzira mabhenefiti anogara kwenguva refu kune mhepo mvura nenzvimbo, nzanga uye hupfumi, uye inoisa hwaro hweChirongwa cheMasango 2023-2027 [7].
Iyo Strategy yakagadzirwa yakatenderedza kutungamira musimboti we "miti chaiyo munzvimbo dzakakodzera nezvikonzero zvakanaka nekutonga kwakanaka", nechinangwa chekugadzira masango ane mabasa akawanda, akasiyana-siyana, ane hanya neVanhu, Planet uye Prosperity [7].
Chirongwa cheForestry chine chinangwa chekugadzira masango akasiyana, ane mabasa mazhinji ayo “Simbisai budiriro yeupfumi hwenharaunda dzekumaruwa, chengetedzai nharaunda yedu uye inotsiga pamberi pe kuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze. " [7].
Urban Greening Ireland
Ne 64% yevagari vemuIreland vanogara mumaguta uye chikamu ichi chiri kuramba chichikwira [8], zvakakosha kuti kuedza "kusvibira" Ireland kusangogumira kumaruwa. Nzvimbo dzemumaguta dzinotambura nekuchinja kukuru kwemamiriro ekunze, zvichikanganisa kwezvivako uye utano [9].
Semuenzaniso, nzvimbo dzemumaguta dzinosangana ne Urban Heat Island Mhedzisiro, inokonzerwa nezvinhu zvakadai sehuwandu hwekongiri uye zvimwe zvinhu zvinopisa kupisa uye huwandu hushoma hwezvinomera [10]. Nekudaro, nzvimbo dzemudhorobha ndidzo dzinonyanya kubatsira kudziya kwepasi rose, kuva nemhosva ye70% yepasi rose CO2 emissions [9].
Chidimbu kubva mubvunzurudzo na Nadina Galle
Urban Greening inzira yekuunza zvinomera uye nzvimbo dzakasvibirira munzvimbo dzemumaguta kugadzira maguta akasimba nehupenyu hwakawedzerwa [11]. Green Infrastructure inogona kutibatsira kuita izvi.
Girinhi Infrastructure inotsanangurwa ne European Commission se "Nzvimbo yakarongwa zvine hungwaru yenzvimbo dzechisikigo uye hafu-yakasikwa ine mamwe maficha ezvakatipoteredza, akagadzirwa uye akakwanisa kuunza kwakasiyana siyana ecosystem services, ukuwo tichivandudza kusiyana kwezvipenyu” [12]. Mhando dzenzvimbo dzakasvibira dzinosanganisira masango emunharaunda, matenga padenga, kugadzirwa kwenzvimbo, miti yemumigwagwa, mapaki emumaguta nemapindu, uye matope [13].
Zvivakwa zvakasvibira mumataundi nemaguta edu zvinogona kuwedzera ecosystem masevhisi, akadai air quality uye mutemo wemamiriro ekunze, kuderedzwa kwezviitiko zvakanyanyisa, nekugadzirisa kwekuyerera kwemvura, nokudaro kuderedza kana kuderedza nyaya dzakadai seUrban Heat Island effect uye mafashamo [14]. Kana yakagadzirwa uye ichichengetwa nemazvo, zvivakwa zvakasvibira zvakaita semasango enharaunda nemagadheni zvinogona kupa nzvimbo yekuvaraidza uye Wildlife [13], kusimudzira biodiversity, kuwedzera mamiriro uye kubatana kwenzvimbo dzechisikigo, kuvandudza hutano hwepfungwa uye hwemuviri, nekusimudzira hukama hwevanhu [14, 12].
Pocket Forests yeGreener Ireland
Pocket Forests ibhizinesi rezvemagariro rinounza zvisikwa mumataundi nemaguta akatenderedza Ireland nekugadzira homwe dzemiti yekuzvarwa nemakwenzi mukati menharaunda [15]. Chirongwa ichi chinotsigira mhuka dzesango uye chinounza vanhu pedyo nezvisikwa.
Sangano rakavambwa mukati Dublin muna 2020 naAshe Conrad-Jones naCatherine Cleary. Vanoshanda nenharaunda dzakaita sezvikoro, mapoka evagari, makirabhu emitambo, mayunivhesiti, mabhizinesi, vanopa hutano, masangano edzimba uye varidzi vegadheni vakazvimiririra [16].
Kubva 2020, timu yePocket Forests yakatsigira nharaunda kudyara masango ehomwe anopfuura zana, kubva patafura yeping-pong kusvika pahafu yedare retennis, vachibata vanhu vanopfuura zviuru mazana mashanu emazera ese uye kudyara miti ingangoita zviuru zvishanu [1,500].
Chii chinonzi Pocket Forest?
Sango rehomwe ndiro a kudyara masango nzira inokodzera nzvimbo dzemudhorobha dzakagadzirwa nenyanzvi yebotanist yekuJapan Akira Miyawaki izvo zvinosanganisira kusikwa kwezvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana, masango akaoma munzvimbo diki [18].
Izvo zvakakosha zveMiyawaki Planting Method [18]:
- Native Plant Species - Native mhando dzakachinjirwa kumamiriro ekunze enzvimbo uye dzinogona kutsigira mamwe marudzi enzvimbo, dzichikurudzira hutano, dzakagadzikana ecosystems.
- Kudyara Density - Zvirimwa zvakasimwa padhuze pamwe chete sezvaizowanikwa mumasango echisikigo ecosystem, zvichikurudzira zvinomera kutsigirana, zvichitungamira kukurumidza kukura.
- Kugadzirira kwevhu - Ivhu rinoomeswa nezvinhu zvemuchadenga zvakaita secompost kuti zvirimwa zvikure. Sangano rePocket Forests rinoshandisa permaculture nzira, dzinoderedza kukanganisa kwevhu [1].
- Hapana Makemikari - Nzira dzechisikigo dzekudzivirira chirimwa, senge compost kuisa uye kudyara inofambidzana, inofarirwa kune inorganic mishonga yezvipembenene nefetereza, inosimudzira ine hutano uye yakaenzana ecosystem.
- Minimal Maintenance - Sango rinoda kugadziridzwa kushoma zvichitevera nguva yekutanga yekukura yemakore 2-3, mushure mezvo maitiro ecosystem echisikigo anogona kutora, achibvumira sango kuti rishande rakazvimirira. [18]
Sangano rePocket Forests rinoshandisa mamwe ematekiniki aya, nekutarisa pakudyara miti, makwenzi uye zvidyarwa zvakavharwa nevhu zvinozvarwa kuIreland, zvekushandisa zvakare, uye kushomeka kunokanganisa nharaunda [1].
Nharaunda-kuvaka
Kusanganisira nharaunda mumatanho ese ekuronga uye manejimendi maitiro anoonekwa seakakosha mukugadzira akabudirira enharaunda masango nzvimbo [13]. Uku ndiko kukosha kwezvakasikwa mubasa rePocket Forests, rinosanganisira nharaunda munhevedzano yemusangano, kubva pakugadzirira ivhu kusvika pakudyara, kutarisira nekuchengetedza sango ravo richangotangwa [16].
Inopa mukana wekuita chiito chakanaka kune zvakatipoteredza, kudzidza kusimudzira zvisikwa mumagadheni avo pamba, uye kutora utariri hwekugovana. nzvimbo dzeveruzhinji [15].
Basa resangano rePocket Forests rakavakirwa pane zvinotevera tsika [15]:
- Nharaunda Inokura - kuitisazve nharaunda kune mumwe nemumwe uye nepasirese.
- Environmental Kutendeseka - kuderedza kukanganisa kwezvakatipoteredza kuburikidza nekushandiswa kwezvinomera zvehupenyu, kufamba kwakaderera-emissions, uye kushoma kwekushandisa kamwe chete chikweshe.
- Kudyara Irish-yakakura Native Saplings - Kutsigira zvirimwa zvekuzvarwa nemhuka.
- Kugadziridza Ivhu neKudzorerazve Zvishandiso - Kushandisazve organic zvinhu zvakaita semakadhibhodi, makofi anogayiwa uye marara echikafu akaiswa manyowa.
Kukura Native Woodland
Muna 2020, Catherine nemurume wake vakatenga purazi remaeka makumi mana muRuwa Roscommon, nechinangwa chekurima nzvimbo yemasango. Makumi maviri nemanomwe maeka epasi akadyarwa nemiti yekuzvarwa, uye asara 40 maeka akasiiwa ari musango kuti ape imwe nzvimbo yekugara yezvisikwa [13].
Vadyara miti 6,000 18,000 nemaoko, vachibatsirwa nemhuri neshamwari, nyanzvi dzokusima dzakadyara mimwe miti 24,000 19. Miti yeXNUMX yakasimwa inosanganisira marudzi akasiyana-siyana ekuzvarwa kweIrish: birch, Scots pine, hazel, willow, alder, crab apple, uye sessile uye pedunculate oak, ine zvirongwa zvekuwedzera mamwe marudzi: wild cherry, rowan, black poplar, aspen, whitebeam, spindle, guelder rose uye holly [XNUMX].
Nhungamiro yaCatherine Cleary yekuvaka sango [19]:
- “Tsvakai muchengeti wemasango akanyoreswa munharaunda yenyu.
- Vakumbire kuti vashanyire nyika iyi kuti vaone kuti ingava sango here. Kwete kwese kwakakodzera nzvimbo yehuni. Munzvimbo dzine nzvimbo dzinogara chaidzo, zvinenge zviripo zvingave zviri kuita basa riri nani nokuda kwemamiriro okunze uye kusiyana-siyana kwezvipenyu kupfuura zvingaitwa nesango ripi neripi.
- Kana ivhu rakakodzera, mutarisiri wemasango achanyorera rezinesi pachinzvimbo chako. Iwe uchasaina akawanda mapepa.
- Kana rezinesi rapihwa, unogona kushanda nemutarisiri wemasango kudyara chikamu kana kuti yese iwe pachako, kana ivo vachakutsvagira nekukudyara. Mari yekumisikidza yefenzi, miti nekudyara inovharwa nerubatsiro kubva kuDhipatimendi rekurima, Chikafu neMarine. Iwe unogona kudyara huwandu hwemhando dzemasango. Kana kufarira kwako kuri kwemamiriro ekunze uye zvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana, imwe yezvakanakisa sarudzo ndeyekuenderera mberi nekuvhara masango emunharaunda. Kana uchida kurima ivhu, dyara agroforestry: miti yakadzivirirwa yakafaranuka inovandudza ivhu, inopa pekugara mhuka dzesango, pekugara uye mafuro emhuka dzepapurazi uye kugadzira purazi rakanaka rakasiyana-siyana.
- Tarisa uye unakirwe nemhuka dzesango. Kana ukavaka vachauya.”
The Forest Midwife Documentary
Sango Nyamukuta ipfupi cinematic documentary, zvichitevera rwendo rwaCatherine Cleary mukushandura purazi muCo. Roscommon, Ireland, kuita sango nemhuka dzesango [20].
Unogona kushanyira webhusaiti yavo kuti uwane kuongorora padhuze newe: Sango Nyamukuta – Zviitiko
Kubatana zvakare neNature
Izvo zvakakosha kuti tishande kudzoreredza sango reIreland kuti tigadzirise nyaya dzakadai sekushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze uye kurasikirwa kwezvinhu zvipenyu. Zvechokwadi pane kudiwa kwekudyara kwemiti kwakakura uye kuvandudzwa kwemiti muIreland, kuti tisvike chinangwa chedu che18% yemasango, uye kuzadzisa zvinangwa zveEU Forest Strategy [21]. Zvisinei, zvisikwa hazvifaniri kuchengetwa kunzvimbo dziri kure, dziri kure. Tinofanira kushanda kuti tigadzire pfungwa yakagovaniswa yekushamiswa uye kuzvipira kwakatenderedza zvakasikwa, uye kuti tiite izvi, tinofanira kudzosa zvisikwa munzvimbo dzatinogara.
Tingatarisira sei kubatana zvakare nezvisikwa tisingazvioni?
Pane nzira dzakawanda dzatinogona nadzo kusimudzira hunhu hwemuno kumaruwa nemumadhorobha, kungave kudyara mhodzi dzemaruva emusango kumba, kudyara sango kumaruwa, kana kugadzira sango rakakura patafura yeping pong pachikoro chako kana kubasa.
Kunyangwe izvi zviito zvega zvine diki zvakananga kuchinja pamatambudziko makuru ezvakatipoteredza atinotarisana nawo, anogona kubatsira mukufamba kwakawanda kwe chiito chezvakatipoteredza nekugadzira network yenzvimbo dzekugara - kunyangwe sango rehomwe rinogona kupa pekugara-inodiwa uye chikafu chemhuka dzesango - uye nekudzosa zvisikwa mukuona kwedu nekutarisa kwedu. Mukuita kudaro, tinogona kudzidza kuikoshesa zvakare nokuda kwamabasa ayo norunako rwayo, uye tinogona kusimudzira ngwariro pamusoro pokudikanwa kwokuchengetedza chisiko.
Chimbofungidzira kuti tingava nemiti mingani kudai nzanga imwe neimwe yakadyara sango rehomwe.
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Jackie De Burca: Mhoro kwamuri. Uyu ndiJackie De Burca pano weKuvaka Manzwi, uye nhasi ndichaendesa kuna Sarah zvakare uyo akaita hurukuro inoshamisa, zvikamu zvishoma shure, uye achange achitaura naCatherine Cleary.
Catherine mukadzi anokurudzira zvikuru. Iye munyori, mutori wenhau, uye CEO uye co-muvambi wePocket Forests. Catherine ari kubatana nesu nhasi kuti tikurukure nezvezvirongwa zvake zvemasango uye kusvibirira kwemaguta. Akanyora uye akabatanidza mabhuku mana uye ari mutsoropodzi weresitorendi yeIrish Times kweanopfuura makore gumi.
Asi mazuva ano, Catherine akatendeudzira pfungwa dzake kune zvisikwa uye mamiriro ekunze. Muna 2020, akatanga mapurojekiti maviri. Imwe yaive yekutanga bhizinesi rekudyara [00:01:00] masango madiki munzvimbo dzenharaunda, uye chimwe chirongwa chaive chekudyara masango ake ega mumaeka makumi mana evhu. Ndava kukupa ikozvino, Sarah.
Waita zvakanaka, Catherine.
Sarah Austin: Catherine, unogamuchirwa. Tinotenda zvikuru nekubatana nesu. Ungada here kutora chinguva kuti uzvizivise?
Catherine Cleary: Ehe. Ini ndinonzi Catherine Cleary. Ini ndiri mubatsiri wePocket Forests uye munyori uye mutori wenhau.
Sarah Austin: Saka ndinoda kudzidza zvishoma nezve Pocket Forest Organisation.
Unogona here kutsanangura kuti izvi ndezvipi kwatiri uye kuti chii chakakukurudzira kuti uzvimise?
Catherine Cleary: Zvakanaka, isu takamisa Pocket Masango ini uye, uye mubatsiri Ashe Conrad Jones kumashure muna 2020 pandinofunga kuti vanhu vazhinji vaifunga zvakasiyana nezvenyika nekuda kwezvakaitika neCOVID. Zvirokwazvo muchikamu chedu cheDublin City kwatine nzvimbo shoma yakasvibira, um, izvo zvakangoerekana zvaitika, uh, nekukurumidza, um.
Kwedu, ndinofunga, uye Ash akawana pfungwa iyi, iyo yakatanga kuJapan muma1970, um, [00:02:00] inonzi, uh, yakanzi zvinhu zvakasiyana-siyana zvakasiyana, asi Miyawaki masango, uh, akatumidzwa zita re botanist, Akira Miyawaki, weJapan botanist uyo, uyo, uh, akatanga nzira. Uye zvino akanga auya kuEurope muna 2015 uye akabhabhatidzwa zvakare masango maduku.
Saka takangotanga kutaura nyanzvi ndiani akazviita mhiri, uh, Europe uye muIreland zvakare. Pane, pane boka rinoita yavanoti Coill Beag, kushanda naAnka muchirongwa chezvikoro. Saka patakangosvika, takaziva. Kwete chete zvaigoneka uye zvainakidza, asi kuti zvechokwadi pakanga paine hunyanzvi hwakawanda kunze uko hwataigona, taigona kupinda mahuri.
Saka takasimuka tikadyara masango edu ekutanga muchando che20 cha2020 uye chirimo che2021.
Sarah Austin: Uye saka mangani emasango ehomwe aya awakasika kusvika zvino?
Catherine Cleary: Tave kusvika ku125 parizvino. Ndinofunga mamwe acho achange ari madiki zvakanyanya. Uh, saizi yemota imwe chete kupaka nzvimbo. Um. Uye ipapo vamwe vaizova [00:03:00] yakakura.
Yedu yakakura ndeye, ingangoita zana masikweya metres, inova inenge hafu yedare retenisi.
Sarah Austin: Wow. Uye saka, ndinoreva, kune isu vasingazive, chii, sango rehomwe rinosanganisirei? Zvakasiyana sei, kuti pamwe kuve negadheni remudhorobha renguva dzose kana mubhedha wemaruva waungave uine kumba kana kuchikoro?
Catherine Cleary: Hongu, ndizvo, zvinonakidza chaizvo kuwana kuti ndedzipi tsika dzemumaguta. Saka isu netsika tinoita huswa hwakawanda, saka tichaidana nzvimbo yakasvibira. Nzvimbo yakasvibira kana paine ivhu rakatetepa kwazvo uye ingori, musara weuswa, uye ipapo iyo inowanzochekwa kusvika mukati meinji yehupenyu hwayo munguva yezhizha, kunyangwe pasina mo inogona kuitika.
Uye zvakare ne kudyara miti, inowanzosimwa miti yakaparadzana yakaparadzana zvikuru. Nenzvimbo idzodzo dzine huswa dziri pakati padzo, pane zvikonzero zvakasiyana-siyana zvinopihwa zveizvi, um, mitsara yekuona, uh, zvimwe zviremera zvenzvimbo uye, uye vanhu havasi, vamwe havasi kufara zvakanyanya nepfungwa yekusakwanisa kuona zviri kuitika kwese kwese, munzvimbo yese yeruzhinji.
Saka zvatinoita zvinotaridzika zvakasiyana nazvo [00:04:00] kuti. Tiri kudyara miti midiki pane yaiwanzosimwa. Zvikwapuro zvine makore maviri chete, saka zvidiki chaizvo. Yakadyarwa munguva yechando, um, uye yakadyarwa zvakanyanya padyo pamwe chete matatu paskweya mita, um, iyo yaizove yakaoma kwazvo kana ichienzaniswa neyechinyakare nzvimbo mumaguta.
Asi mhedzisiro ndeyekuti ivo vanogadzira iyi microclimate nekukurumidza. Ivhu rinoshanduka, um, uye tinoita zvishoma zvebasa iroro tisati tadyara chero chinhu zvakare. Ndicho chikamu chePocket Forest musiyano wandinofungidzira. Isu tinoita musangano wekugadzirira ivhu nenharaunda iyo inoedza kutevedzera mamiriro e. Pasi pesango kuburikidza nekubvisa huswa uye kuwedzera huni miti isati yasimwa.
Uye tozodzoka kana dzava kusvetuka panguva ino yegore, Chivabvu, Chikumi, uye, um, kuratidza vanhu kuti chii chavakadyara nekuti vanogona kuzvifananidza nechimiro cheshizha uye. Iwe unoziva, ita kuti vafarire pamusoro peiyo pfungwa yekuti iri isango ravanaro ikozvino. Vanogona kuitarisira, vanogona kuishandisa senzvimbo yekuungana kunze kana kirasi.
Um, uye, uye ingori nzvimbo inofadza kuva. Uye [00:05:00] uyewo hupfumi hwezvipembenene uye hupenyu hweshiri uye hupenyu hwevhu, izvo zvichasikwa nekuda kwekuedza kwavo. Saka zvakanyanya nharaunda yakavakirwa. Zvekare, handizvo zvakajairwa nemadhorobha. Ndiro basa. Izvi zvinowanzoitwa nemakontrakta. Um, ndichangobva kuita zvimwe munharaunda yangu uye, munoziva, vanovhara imwe nzvimbo, vachiunza michina, munoziva, varume vanodzivirira nzeve vanoita basa.
Um, saka pane kubatanidzwa kushoma kubva kune vanhu veko vanogara munzvimbo iyoyo. Nepo ini ndichifunga kana vanhu veko vanogara munzvimbo iyoyo vari kunyatso batsira kugadzira nzvimbo yakasvibira, uye ivo vane mikana yakawanda yekuitarisira uye kunakidzwa nayo.
Sarah Austin: Zvamazvirokwazvo. Paunonyanya kuita basa nazvo, ndipo paunonyanya kuzvitarisira, ndipo paunowedzera kuida.
Catherine Cleary: Hongu
Sarah Austin: uye ndine chokwadi chekuti, sevazhinji vedu takaita zvishoma zvekurima mugadheni panguva yedenda, ndinofunga zvakaita kuti vanhu vawedzere kubatana nezvisikwa, zvakanyanya kubatana nechikafu chavaikura, nezvirimwa zvakavatenderedza. Iwe unoziva kuedza kunopinda mazviri uye ndinofunga kuti vanhu vanowanzoita, kubhadhara [00:06:00] kutarisa kune izvo uye netarisiro kushandisa iyo sosi zvakare.
Catherine Cleary: Ehe, iro, iro izwi kucherechedza. Isu, takanga, uh, takaita nhaurirano yepaneru svondo rino chaizvo, uye kutariswa kwezwi iro raive izwi rekutora kumba. Iwe unoziva, kana isu tikatarisa kuzvinhu, ndizvo, uh, Mary Oliver, mudetembi, ane mutsara unoshamisa "Kutarisa ndiko kutanga kwekuzvipira". Saka kana tikatarisisa zvinhu zvatingave tisina kumboona kare, patinosvika pakuziva rudzi rumwe rwemuti tobva tauona kwese kwese.
Pane chimwe chinhu chinonakidza chinoitika kune ese ari maviri, hunhu pachahwo uye kuti vanhu vachatarisira sei, asiwo yedu, yedu kugadzikana kwepfungwa. Ini ndinofunga isu tiri, isu tiri kutarisira chimwe chinhu chakakura uye kunze kwedu, asi chakabatana zvakanyanya nesu uye zvakanyanya, zvine hutano. Munoziva, kana tikangozvipa kumamiriro akakodzera zvishoma zvatinofanira kuita kuti tibatsire izvi kubudirira, uye ndinofunga zvinonyaradza kwazvo.
Chokwadi panguva yeCOVID, ndinofunga vanhu vakawana kudhonza kune izvozvo. Havana kunzwisisa kuti sei, asi ivo, vaida kusvika kune zvakasikwa uye, uye kuona chimwe chinhu chakanga chichishanda uye, uye chakanga chisiri kuparara sezvazvainzwa. [00:07:00]
Sarah Austin: Mm. Uye saka ndiani waunonyanya kushanda naye? Zvingave nezvikoro zvakawanda kana mamwe masangano?
Catherine Cleary: Ehe, zvikoro ndizvo, chikamu chikuru uye zvakanaka kushanda nechikoro nekuti ivo ndevavo, vanowanzove neyavo saiti uyezve vanogona mune ramangwana.
Um, iwe unoziva, tichave tichigadzira marudzi ese emazano ekuti vashandise sango, kungave kushandisa zvinhu kubva musango kuti vauye nazvo mukugadzira kana kugadzira matanda, um, zvikamu zvechikoro nekudzidza. Saka zvikoro zvakanakisa. Takashandawo nemabhizinesi angangove nenzvimbo yawo kana achatsigira chikoro kana, sango renharaunda.
Um, mapoka ekugara anonakidza zvakare. Um, tiri kushanda navo. Zviremera zvinoverengeka zvomunzvimbomo zvakare. Chirongwa chinonakidza muMonaghan Town gore rino kwatiri kuita mapurojekiti masere akasiyana munzvimbo diki dzakasvibira. Um, ese akabatana nenharaunda uye vagari. Saka, iwe unoziva, pachave nemhando huru yekubatanidza yemaguta akachena zvishuwo zvezvipenyu. [00:08:00] nepfungwa iyi yekuunza izvi, iyi miti yekuzvarwa uye shrub mukati.
Munzvimbo dzinogara vanhu vakawanda. Iwe unoziva, zviripachena izvi hazvimbofi zvakava, um, zvakakwana kuti masango edu avhare kusvika ku18%, inova iyo, vavariro yenyika panguva ino kusvika 18% ne2050. Saka izvo zvinoreva kudyara mahekita e11 emiti yemiti gore rega rega mukati, munoziva, mumaruwa eIreland zvakanyanya.
Um, iko zvino hatisi pedyo nekusangana nazvo. Target uye Pocket Sango zviri pachena kuti zvidiki, zvidiki, um. Projects. Asi zvavanoita zvinounza, um, kudzokera kuzwi iroro, kutarisisa, vanounza zvirimwa izvi mukuona kwemaziso evanhu, kwazvinogara, kwazvinopedzera nguva yazvo, munoziva, kwavanogona kuzviona zuva nezuva uye kuona kuchinja kwavanopinda nako, kuburikidza nemwaka.
Nekuti zvakawanda izvo, iwe unoziva, chirongwa chekudyara masango, chichaitwa munzvimbo dziri kure kwazvo panzvimbo yakavanzika uko vanhu vasingakwanise kunyatso kuita nayo. Saka [00:09:00] ndezvekuunza. Pachirongwa chekudyara masango, chatiri kuita pamwero wenyika yose, tinovimba munzvimbo dzinopedza nguva yakawanda vanhu, ari madhorobha nemaguta.
Sarah Austin: Rimwe nerimwe raaya sango rehomwe rine pesvedzero duku zvikuru, asi, asi ipapo kupfurikidza nokuunza ngwariro kwariri, nenzira ine tariro iri kuita kuti vamwe vanhu vaduku vachafarira zvikuru kuita chiito chemamiriro okunze munguva yemberi, avo vangazopfuurira. Kuve nekubatanidzwa zvakanyanya mukuita kwezvakatipoteredza uye pamwe kuchadyara miti yakawanda, netarisiro, uye kunogona kutungamirira kuchiito chikuru.
Catherine Cleary: Zvirokwazvo. Ndinofunga kuti pane tsvakiridzo yakanaka kwazvo inoratidza kuti kana vanhu vakatanga kutarisira nezvechisikigo, munoziva, yavo, yavo yese yekufunga kwezvakatipoteredza inochinja kupinda. Iwe unoziva, kuva nehanya, um, kuchengetedza pasi rinogarwa uye kutora zviito zvakanaka kune zvakatipoteredza uye kuzviita se, senharaunda kunounza simba rose rakanaka zvakare.
Iwe unoziva, hausiwe wega weirdo kunze uko uyo anombundira muti uye unoziva, ndiwe [00:10:00] chaizvoizvo murudzi rwevanhu vane hanya chaizvo neizvi uye ndiani, um. Pamwe chete kana kuunza simba rinodiwa kwairi. Um, iwe unoziva, nekuti panguva dzakasiyana dzakasiyana vanhu vanogona kunge vakabatikana kana kutadza kubatikana.
Uye hongu, mufaro wekuzviita uri kuratidza vanhu chiitiko chaicho chechokwadi. Concrete ingangove izwi risiri iro, asi iwe unoziva, pane danho repasi, um, ravanogona kutora. Mubindu ravo vamene. Uye iwe unoziva, kana vaine gadheni diki ravanogona kuita, vanogona kuita izvi pane imwe nguva kana munharaunda yavo.
Uye zvino izvo zvinodya mumazano ekuti tingatsigire sei mifananidzo mikuru nevarimi nevaridzi veminda.
Sarah Austin: Izvozvo zvinondiyeuchidza kuti wakatora izvi kunext level iwewe. Um, kudyara masango ako ega. Unogona here kutiudza zvishoma nezve sango iri rawakadyara mu County Roscommon?
Catherine Cleary: Hongu.
Ini nemurume wangu Liam takatenga imwe nzvimbo, muRoscommon. Um, yaive iyo. Nyika yakachipa yataigona kuwana panguva iyoyo. Uye, uh, muzvikamu zvitatu zvakasiyana. Hazvisi zvese mune imwe [00:11:00] area. Iri, rakapatsanurwa neinenge maira nehafu pakati penzvimbo dzese nhatu. Um, uye ivhu rekurima. Rakanga richifudzwa, uh, nemuridzi wokutanga uye ipapo nevarimi vaiva vavakidzani vakanga vachirenda munda wacho.
Zvakanyanya, tinomhanya-mhanya, zvakaoma kurima. Um, iwe unoziva, iyo, rudzi rwemari shoma. Avhareji mari yaunoona mune varimi muRoscommon rudzi rwehuchapupu hwekuoma kweiyi nyika. Saka yaive yakanaka kwazvo, isu tainzwa kuti, um, kutanga nzvimbo yemasango. Saka isu, takashanda naForester, Bernard Kiernan munzvimbo iyi, uye akaburitsa rezinesi, uh, kubva kubazi mushure mechinguva.
Ndinofunga kuti zvakatora rinenge gore kuti izvozvo zviitike. Saka yanga ichinonoka, asi yadyarwa ikozvino kwemakore maviri uye, um. Isu takadyara makumi maviri, yakatenderedza 20 miti panyika, kana ini ndichiti isu, iro raive timu yenyanzvi, vanodyara vane hunyanzvi hunoshamisa vakauya uye [00:12:00] yakasimwa 18.
Saka pari zvino tanga tichifunga nezvavo mwaka wadarika wekukura, kungotsika-tsika huswa nekumhanya-mhanya nekudzitenderedza kuti tiedze kuwana chiedza chakawanda kwavari. Uye zvino mwaka uno, vazhinji vavo vari pamusoro pehuswa uye mutsara wekumhanya. Saka dzakarurama, dzave kutosimuka zvino uye zvave kuita, kwete munda wemhashu, ukatarisa mhiri kwacho, unoona kuti munda wemiti kana kuti minda yemiti yakati wandei.
Um, saka zvinonakidza uye mhuka dzesango dziripo. Zvinoshamisa. tanga tichiona vhudzi richimhanya mukati, mukati, richitenderera, muuswa nekumhanya uye hupenyu hweshiri huri kushamisa panguva ino yegore. Ndizvo chete, pane zvakawanda zviripo.
Sarah Austin: Zvinonzwika senzvimbo diki.
Catherine Cleary: Ndizvo chaizvo. Hongu, ndizvo chaizvo.
Sarah Austin: Uye chii, ibasa rei raunofanira kuita, kuchengetedza izvi, kusimudzira mhando, miti kuti ikure?
Catherine Cleary: Parizvino, uh, isu tinongoda kuve nechokwadi kuti iyi, miti midiki iri kuwana diki rekuwedzera mwenje. Saka zvakare, kutsika-tsika zvishoma. Um, zvimwe, zvimwe, uh, [00:13:00] varidzi vachapfapfaidza, uh, zvinomera zvinokwikwidza, asi isu hatisi kuzozviita nekuti zviri pachena kuti hatidi chepfu pasi. Uye pane humbowo hwekuti kana waita izvozvo, unowana kukuvadzwa kwetsuro pamiti yako nekuti kune nzvimbo yebere yakatenderedza miti.
Uye chaizvoizvo uswa hahusi kunyatso kwikwidzana nemiti, ndizvo. Kupa chimwe chidiki che, che, um, pekugara uye chengetedzo kwairi. Mm-hmm. Saka panguva ino, ichokwadi kuti, kuve nechokwadi chekuti, um, pane, hapana mhuka dzinoparadza dziri kuuya. Uh, nerombo rakanaka isu takanga tisina, takanga tine imwe rhododendron chirimwa, iyo yakagadziriswa nekukurumidza.
Um, tinofanira kuramba takatarira izvozvo. Tinofanira kuchengetedza tsoka dzedu pasi chaizvo, uye, uye tarisa zviri kuitika. Ita shuwa kuti hapana mhembwe dzinopinda dzichiita kukuvara zvakanyanya, mh, nekuti isu hatina mhembwe yakakomberedzwa. Asi hongu, kwemakore maviri kana matatu anotevera. Ndirwo rudzi irworwo rwekuchengetedza, kuchengetedza mhuka dzinoparadza, nondo uye rhododendron zvakanyanya kunze kwesango.
Zvino zvadaro gore rechishanu kana rechitanhatu, tinogona kutanga kugadzira dzimwe nzira tichidzika nemumiti, pamwe kutetemera mimwe miti kuti, [00:14:00] kupa mipendero uye kucheneswa nezvinhu zvakadaro nekuti ivo vanogona, zvakare, kuvandudza zvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana, munoziva, imwe mhando yecanopy yakavharwa. Sango rakanaka, asi. Iyo yakawanda mipendero uye nekupa kwakawanda uye nzvimbo dzakanyorova uye marudzi ese enzvimbo dzakasiyana dzekugara dzaunadzo mune izvo, zviri nani.
Uye zvakare tine maeka gumi nematatu asina kudyarwa. Saka zvakare, isu tinongoda kuve nechokwadi chekuti chero mhuka dzesango ipapo, matendere epasi, shiri kana madhiri, munoziva, akadzivirirwa uye, uye nekukwanisa kunakidzwa nekugara kwavo zvakare. Saka pane imwe mhando yekuisiya yega, asi zvakare ramba wakatarira padanho, ndinofunga.
Sarah Austin: Uye saka nguva pfupi yadarika wakave nekuongororwa kwegwaro, nyamukuta wesango, zvese nezve chirongwa ichi chesango. Uye saka iyi documentary inoongorora chii uye chinangwa chaive chii?
Catherine Cleary: Iyi firimu inogadzirwa nemugadziri wemafirimu anonzi Beta Begar, uye iye, um, akanyorera kuDhipatimendi rekurima pasi pekusimudzira kwavo masango, um, chirongwa chemari ye, yevhidhiyo, kana yefirimu.[00:15:00]
Uye chaive chinonakidza, rudzi, ndinofunga kunyora kana kunyora zvinyorwa zvezvatakanga tichiedza kuita. Saka akatora firimu nesu gore rakapera muna Kukadzi apo takava negungano reshamwari nevavakidzani vaibva munzvimbo iyi vakauya kuzobatsira mukusima miti. Uye akabvunzurudza varimi veko vaifarira zvikuru nezve.
Manzwiro pamusoro pemasango anouya muvhu uye kurasikirwa kwakadini pakurima uye, uye rudzi rwekusuwa kunokonzera izvozvo, izvo, unoziva, paunoisa munda wako, kana uri murimi, kana iwe ukaisa munda wako mumiti, zvinoreva kupera kwenguva yako yekurima. Um. Uye kuti vanhu vanonyangarika panyika kana miti ikauya panyika.
Saka, unoziva, zvaive zvakanaka kupinza manzwi iwayo mufirimu pamwe nezwi rangu re, munoziva, saSean, mumwe wevavakidzani vedu anoreva kwandiri musikana weguta achidzika kuzoita izvi. Mm-hmm. Um, nekuti chinhu chekupedzisira chatinoda ndechekuti ichi ive chinhu icho. Yakaganhurirwa, iwe unoziva, [00:16:00] vanoongorora zvakatipoteredza, ani nani zvake muridzi wevhu, kana vachikwanisa, munoziva, kana vakakwanisa kudyara eka yayo mumiti, ivhu rakakodzera.
Zvino, kwete hazvo. Munoziva, bog land uye, nenzvimbo dzakadaro. Nzvimbo dzematoro, dzinowanzoita basa riri nani kune mamiriro ekunze uye zvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana kupfuura zvaaizoita kana akasimwa nemiti. Saka, iwe unoziva, iwe unofanirwa kuziva kuti chii chauri kudyara machiri. Asi kune nzira dzakawanda, dzakawanda dzekuti varidzi veminda vaise uye varimi kuisa miti pavhu.
Saka iyo documentary yaive nezve, um, kuongorora yedu, yedu manzwiro. Kunamatira pasi uye manzwiro edu pamusoro pemiti uye Beta yakanga ine, izvo zvakanzwika kwandiri sepfungwa inopenga zvishoma pakutanga, asi yakashanda zvakanaka kupa izwi kune imwe yemiti iri muheji papurazi, inova, muti wekare wedota.
Um, saka akaraira Kerry Ní Dochartaigh, mudetembi anoshamisa. Nhetembo muizwi remuti uyu, unonzi Amai Muti, uye iyo yakasungirirwa mukati meiyo documentary uye inotaurwa. [00:17:00] nemutambi anoshamisa Mary McAvoy, akadyara sango rake mupurazi remhuri yake. Um, saka izvo zvakawedzerwa mhando yemashiripiti layer kwairi.
Ndinonzwa. Um, pakutariswa kwega kwega ndinogara ndichirohwa nehanya nevateereri. Um, munoziva, vanhu vanonakidzwa nenyaya iyi uye, um. Ini, ndinoshamiswa nemabatirwo ari kuita vanhu mazviri uye zviri kuitika uye, uye munoziva, inyaya inoshanduka nekuti isu takangotora nezvayo, ndinofunga yaive mwedzi mitanhatu kana misere yekudhirowa.
Saka takabva, munoziva, kubva panguva yekudyara muchando kusvika kunguva yezhizha. Apo zvinhu zvose zvakanga zvakasvibirira uye, uye zvakangoerekana zvave zvakasvibirira uye zvakanaka, hatina kana kutora nguva yechando, munoziva, uko kunova nechando uye nechando. Saka ndinovimba pachave nerumwe rudzi rwe, um, refu vhezheni, kana, uye ndinoziva Beta iri kutarisira kushanda navo, uh, varimi nevaridzi vemasango kuti vaite akareba akateedzana mafirimu nezvebasa ravo, um, nekuti vanhu vazhinji vanogona kuona izvi, um, kwete kupfuura Sean. [00:18:00] Ronayne inoshamisa documentary, um, naKathleen Harris.
Inonzi Birdsong apo, munoziva, iri kurekodha shiri dzose dziri munyika yose. Ini ndinofunga iyo nyaya yemunhu kana vanhu kana nharaunda yevanhu uye zvisikwa uye mashandiro avari kushanda kuedza nekubatsira zvisikwa nekuti, munoziva, ndiyo ine simba zvakanyanya. Um, ndiyo, isimba richaita basa rakawanda.
Iwe unoziva, iwe, iwe unotora nhanho imwe yakanaka uye zvisikwa zvinotora gumi. Saka, iwe unoziva, idzo mhando dzenyaya dzandinofunga kuti dzakanyanya, um. Zvinokurudzira, tarisiro kuvanhu, asi zvakare zvinonyaradza kuziva kuti kune vanhu kunze uko vari kuita basa iri. Um, nekuti nguva zhinji hatinzwe nezvazvo.
Sarah Austin: Zvamazvirokwazvo. Iwe unogona kunzwa kuti uri wega zvakanyanya mune zvaunoita dzimwe nguva, uye zvakanaka kuziva kuti kune nharaunda kunze uko.
Catherine Cleary: Zvechokwadi.
Sarah Austin: Uye wakambowana here mhinduro kubva kuvarimi nevaridzi veminda, semuenzaniso, pane documentary kana kungotarisana-nechiso pachirongwa?
Catherine Cleary: Ehe, ndinoreva,
ivo, vedu, takanga tine murimi muvateereri muGalway, um, neChipiri apo isu [00:19:00] takave nekuongororwa kuYunivhesiti yeGalway uko tine, chirongwa chinoshamisa chekuyedza, icho chakatsigirwa nemari neLives to Good Foundation.
Um, takava neunveiling yechiratidzo chedu ipapo, uye takazoita, screening yedocumentary uye tine murimi pakati pevateereri uyo ari organic farmer. Uye aibvunza vanhu kuti vanyatsotarisa, unoziva, nhasi wadya chii? Wakadya chikafu cheorganic kubva kupurazi reIrish? Munoziva, munoda here kubhadhara, mutengo wazvo kumurimi uye basa ratinoita isu sevatengi, mashandisirwo evhu redu uye kuti riri kushandiswa sei.
Um, takanga tine nhengo yepaneti, Dr. Karen Morrisey, uyo ari nyanzvi yezvehupfumi, asi akakurira papurazi uye. Ane, saka ane nzwisiso huru yetsika iyoyo uye kuti inoshanda sei. Um, asi iye zvakare ane nzwisiso huru yekudiwa kwekuita shoma nyama yemombe nemukaka muIreland uye kuita zvimwe zvakawanda. kurima kwakasimba, ingave, munoziva, kurima muriwo nezvirimwa zvatinoda kana isu, munoziva, [00:20:00] neimwe nzira kana imwe haikwanise kuvawana kubva kunze kwenyika nekuti zvirimwa izvi zvizhinji zviri kubva kunze.
Um, uye zvakare, kukanganisa kwezvakatipoteredza kwekurima kwezvipfuyo kwakanyanya. Saka murimi uyu ainyatsotaura nezve, munoziva, kurima kwakanaka uye rudzi rwe, kana iwe uchiwana nyama yako kubva kune ane tsika, anovandudza kana organic murimi weIrish, saka, chinhu chikuru kwazvo kugona kudya. Iwe hauzokwanisi kuidya zuva rega rega nekuti inodhura zvakanyanya, uye icho chingangove chinhu chakanaka kune hutano hwako uye hutano hwepasi.
Saka, hongu, nhaurirano dzinonakidza uye kunyatsoratidza mumwe wevarimi ari. Kunyanya kutaura mufirimu pamusoro pekusuwa uye kusuruvara kunoitika apo, kana mapurazi akadyarwa, um, kumusoro mumiti, ikozvino ari kutarisa kudyara imwe yevhu rake nemasango ekuzvarwa, ndinofunga akafemerwa zvakare nekuona uye kuva chikamu chezvatakaita.
Uh, saka iwe unogona kuona kuti hurukuro idzi, kana dzichiitika chiso nechiso, dzakawanda sei. Vhura kune wese wese [00:21:00] chinzvimbo. Iwe unoziva, hapana chakaipisisa kupfuura kupinda mumutsara neMurimi online. Ndaigara ndichizviita. Ini handichazviita zvakare nekuti inzvimbo ine muchetura, um, apo chimwe chinhu chinogona kubvumirana chiso nechiso chinongoshanduka kuita mutsetse mukuru.
Um. Uye kudana mazita uye pfungwa yekuti tiri mune imwe mhando yehondo inopenga nekuti tese tiri mune izvi, tese tiri muchikepe chimwe chete pano. Mm-hmm. Uye, munoziva, isu tese tinovimba nevhu redu. Tese tinovimba nemvura yakachena, pamhepo yakachena. Um, uye kune zvinhu zvakawanda zvakanaka chaizvo zvinogona kuitwa munyika ino yakanaka zvekuti tine rombo rakanaka rekugara mairi, kuti ive ine hutano kumunhu wese.
Saka isu tinongofanira kutaura pamusoro pemanzwi ane ruzha eindasitiri, ari. Yakanyatsogadzirwa. Um, iwe, iwe unoziva, vane mari yese uye vanogona kubhadhara vese vatauri vengano. Um, uye isu tinongoda kutaura nyaya dziri nani uye nyaya dzechokwadi, um, nekuti zvakawanda zvatiri kuudzwa pamusoro pemamiriro ekurima kwedu hazvisi chokwadi.
Sarah Austin: [00:22:00] Zvakakosha kuti tive nenhaurirano dzakavhurika apo tine izwi remunhu wese kunyanya riya revarimi vari kuchengeta nzvimbo zhinji munyika yose, um, uye nekupa nzvimbo iyo avo vanofarira kutora matanho kune zvisikwa, nekuti mamiriro ekunze ane kumwe kwavanogona kunzwikwa izwi ravo kana kupi kunyangwe ivo, havazive pekutangira, pavanokwanisa.
Iva nekurukurirano iyoyo uye uone kuti ndeapi matanho madiki atinogona kutora tose uye kuratidza vamwe kuti hazvisi hazvo kuti iwe, sezvawambotaura ikozvino, unombundira muti kana iwe uchida kuita chimwe chinhu chidiki.
Catherine Cleary: Ehe. Zvakawanda nezve pfungwa yako yekuzivikanwa uye ndinoona Jackie achangoiswa mukati, um, chinongedzo chekutaura miti mukati, uh, muAmsterdam.
Ndinofanira kuzvitarisa. Thanks Jackie. Um, hongu, ndicho chitupa ichocho, um. Iwe unoziva, kune kudada kukuru pakati pevarimi vechidiki, uye ndakanzwa zvichitaurwa nezvazvo, uh, nenzira dzakasiyana siyana, munoziva, kubudirira kwavanoita, kukura kwakaita mombe dzavo, kushanda nesimba kwavari kuita nenzira imwechete, munoziva, kuti tese tiri murudzi urwu. [00:23:00] yekubatikana nekubatikana nekukosha uye, nekuramba uchikura nekukura nekukura.
Uye kana iwe ukagona kushandura izvo mukudada kukuru mune iyi nhamba yemhando dzeshiri dzandinadzo papurazi rangu. Iyi ndiyo nhamba yemiti yekuzvarwa iri kukura Iwe. Inofanira kuuya nepfungwa yekuzvikudza. Uye iyo pfungwa yekudada inofanirwa kufambiswa nekuti mari iripo. Iwe unoziva, zvine mubairo zvakanyanya kudyara masango emusango izvozvi mumapurazi mazhinji ari kumucheto uye basa rakaderera pane, kuedza nekurima mombe.
Um, asi zvakadaro hausati wava nevarimi vanozviita. Uh, saka pane chimwe chinhu ipapo chinoda kufamba. Um. Ndizvo here zvakakodzera kuteerera? Iwe unoziva, uye panguva ino, iro rairo zano nderekuti iwe unofanirwa kuwedzera macalorie auri kugadzira papurazi rako nekuti ndizvo, iwe unoziva, ndicho, ndicho chinhu chinokunda chekuita.
Iwe unoziva, inodzokera ku2015 apo iyo, apo iyo, um. [00:24:00] Huwandu hwemukaka hwakasimudzwa uye varimi vakanyatsokurudzirwa nemabhangi, nevezvematongerwo enyika, nemunhu wese kurima. Mhuka dzakawanda kupfuura dzavaive nevhu kana zviwanikwa zvekuita. Um, uye vakazvipinza muzvikwereti zvakakura. Vane hupenyu hwebasa hwakabatikana zvino.
Um, uye mombe idzi dziri kubuda mukaka. Asi munoziva, takaona mhedzisiro pamhando yemvura. Takaona mhedzisiro pa Hutano hwepfungwa naizvo. Ndinofunga kuti pane nhaurirano huru ichaitwa nevarimi nezvehutano hwavo hwepfungwa uye kuti ndezvipi mabhenefiti avanogona kuwana kubva pakutora danho rekudzokera kumashure kubva mukurima kwekutengesa, kurima kwakanyanya, uye kutarisa zvakaitwa nezvizvarwa zvavo zvakapfuura.
Uye sezvandinotaura, kudada nechimwe chinhu kunze kwehukuru hwemombe.
Sarah Austin: Ndinokutendai zvikuru, Catherine. Izvo zvaive, ndinofunga urikuita basa rakawanda, kwete maererano nekuita chete, asi maererano nedzidzo zvakare nezve izvo zvatingaite tese, diki, nhanho diki dzatingatora, uye yakakura system level. [00:25:00] kuchinja zvakare.
Catherine Cleary: Ehe, uye isu tiri kutarisira kukwanisa kugovera, munoziva, zvatakadzidza nezvekugadzira masango ehomwe. Mumakore mashanu apfuura, munoziva, isa zvimwe zviwanikwa pawebhusaiti yedu gare gare gore rino uko vanhu vanogona kuzviita ivo pachavo uye isu, munoziva, tichavapa iwo matanho ese, um, nekuti tiri kuona kuti kune zvakawanda chete zvatingaite uye isu takapotsa tanyatso bhuka gore rino.
Um. Saka, iwe unoziva, nzira yekuiyera kubva pano kuenda, kupa vanhu hunyanzvi uye maturusi, ita shuwa kuti vanokwanisa kuwana yakanaka mhando yemiti yemuno yeIrish uye musanganiswa wakakodzera, wenzvimbo yavo. Uye, uyezve tinovimba tinogona kunyatsoita kuti izvi zviitike munzvimbo dzakawanda, dzakawanda.
Sarah Austin: Brilliant. Uye ndekupi vanhu vanogona kuziva zvakawanda uye kubata newe pahomwe Masango?
Catherine Cleary: Saka masango ehomwe, ese izwi rimwechete, kureva. Um, uye pane ruzivo pane iyo email yaunogona kutibata nesu kana, um, hongu, kuburikidza neiyo, kuburikidza newebhusaiti ingangove yakanyanya kunaka. Kana iwe uri muGalway neYunivhesiti yeGalway, iripo, unogona kutarisa kune yedu purojekiti yekuyedza ipapo. Iri kuseri kwechivako cheILAS pa [00:26:00] kuchamhembe kwekambasi uye kune inoyevedza QR kodhi ipapo kwatinoda kuti uite ongororo uye utizivise.
Zvaunofunga nezvazvo. Maonero aunoita nezvenzvimbo, nekuti chikamu che, ndinofunga chikamu chezvatinoda kuita ikozvino kuwana imwe ongororo. Ruzivo kubva kuvanhu nezve zvavanoita, zvavanonzwa nezvenzvimbo. Tinoziva zvatinonzwa nezvazvo uye kupfuma kwatingaita. Tinonzwa zvichadaro, munoziva, hupfumi hwahuchawedzera kunzvimbo dzemudhorobha, asi, um, tinoda chaizvo mhinduro kubva kuvanhu vakashanyira nzvimbo idzodzo kuti vanofungei nezvadzo.
Ivo vanogona zvakare kushanyira iyo digital hub paThomas Street. Kunze kwekofi yemudziyo, tine sango duku muSkip uye. Gara uye utore kofi yako ipapo uye ita diki sango kugeza munzvimbo yakanyanya, yemudhorobha yeguta. Um, uye tiri kuita mamwe maworkshop mwedzi unouya paDigital hub. Vachave vakasununguka kuvanhu, asi vanozoda kubhuka online.
Uye isu tinogona kukumbira mupiro mudiki nekuti kana vanhu vakahodha maworkshop emahara, dzimwe nguva havauye. Uh, saka, uh, hongu, saka vachange vachitanga muna Chikumi. Kuchave neChitatu maworkshops Chitatu chega chega, [00:27:00] nguva yekudya kwemasikati munaChikumi, uh, mune digital hub. Saka tinoda kuti vanhu vauye kune izvozvo.
Uye zvakare vanogona kubhuka kuburikidza newebhusaiti kana kutitevera pa Instagram patiri paPocketForests izwi rimwe chete.
Sarah Austin: Ndizvo brilliant. Thanks zvikuru, Catherine. Ndanakidzwa nekutaura kwedu nhasi.
Catherine Cleary: Mufaro wangu. Ndatenda, Sarah.
Jackie De Burca: Ndinokutendai zvikuru, Catherine naSarah. Yakanga iri bvunzurudzo yakanaka kwazvo uye pane zvimwe zvinhu zvakauya pakukurukurirana kwako zvatichabatanidza papeji yepurogiramu.
Izvo zvinoenderana, semuenzaniso, uh, Dr. Nadina Galle, ndiani munhu akambotiudza nezvemiti inotaura muAmsterdam. Zvinonakidza zvakare, uye zvakabatana zvakanyanya nebasa raCatherine uye izvo zvakauya panguva iyi yekubvunzurudza. Saka tichaenda, munoziva. Isai iyo muchikamu peji, saka iwe unogona zvakare kuongorora izvo zvakare, nekuti zvakabatana zvakanyanya.
Takaita nhevedzano naDr. Nadina Holla muna 2024. It's mini series uye anokurudzira zvikuru. [00:28:00] Zvakare, kunze kweizvozvo, pane chimwe chikamu chandinoda kutaura icho chakanyatsobatanidzwa mune hutano uye zvisikwa. Akabatana uye ndizvo naJane Finley. Zvese izvi zvichange zviri papeji yechikamu kuitira kuti ugone kuchera zvakadzama mumisoro iyi.
Uye ive shuwa yekutarisa ruzivo rwakakosha pane peji rechikamu raunogona kuwana pane yako podcast app kana pane yedu webhusaiti. Inovaka. voices.com uye pane ruzivo rwuripo maererano nezvakataurwa naCatherine pamusoro pemawekishopu anofanirwa kuve mwedzi unotevera, asi nekuti isu tinorekodha zviri pachena pachine nguva, iwo ari mumwedzi uno muna Chikumi uye angave achinyanya kunakidza.
Saka usapotsa. Iva nechokwadi chekutarisa ruzivo rwese rwaCatherine uye tarisa webhusaiti yake uye funga kuenda kumashopu. Ndinotenda zvikuru nekuteerera.
Aya mazwi anovaka.



















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