S3, E7: Mufananidzo Kunyika-Nzvimbo Yenzvimbo Yekumisikidza Remangwana Redu, Alexandra Akamhanya paBhuku Rake Rinoputsa, Chikamu 2.

S3, E7: Mufananidzo Kunyika-Nzvimbo Yenzvimbo Yekumisikidza Remangwana Redu, Alexandra Akamhanya paBhuku Rake Rinoputsa, Chikamu 2.

Mufananidzo Kunzvimbo Yenzvimbo-Chimiro Chenzvimbo Yekugadzirisa Remangwana Redu, Alexandra Steed
 

Alexandra Steed Podcast: Chikamu 2

Munyori wepasi-pasi, Alexandra Steed, anotaura naJackie De Burca munhevedzano yezvina podcast episodhi inoongorora zvakadzama mubhuku rake rakajeka. Akaitawo akabvuma kupa makopi gumi ebhuku rake. Iva nechokwadi chekupinda pamusoro.

Teerera Chikamu 1 papeji ino uye Chikamu 2 pano kubva Chipiri 16 Chikunguru. Chinyorwa chiri pazasi.

Chikamu chekutanga chinopa ruzivo rwakakura mune pfungwa dzauchawana mubhuku rino. The munyori inotsanangura mamwe emisimboti akakosha anoratidzwa. De Burca anotaura naye zvakadzama nezve Chikamu 1 che Portrait to Landscape-A Landscape Strategy yekumisikidza Remangwana Redu

Pane hupfumi hwekudzidza nekukurukura pamusoro pebhuku rino rekutanga. Saka zvese Podcast chikamu chinoongorora chimwe chezvikamu zvina zvebhuku rino rinotevera.

Muchikamu chechipiri, De Burca anobvunza mibvunzo inotevera:

Iwe unoona sei The Current Landscape?

Ngatitaurei nezvazvo Kuchinja Kwemamiriro ekunze.

Ndeupi rudzi rweLandscape inogona kugadzirisa shanduko yemamiriro ekunze pasi rose?

Chii chinonzi carbon sinks uye basa ravo nderei?

Ndivanaani magamba asina kuimbwa mukati kabhoni kubatwa?

Sezvinoshungurudza sezvazviri, ngationgororei kuparara kwezvisikwa uye zvinokonzeresa vanhu.

Johan Rockstrom ndiani?

Chii chinonzi Nine Quanti - tat - ive Planetary Boundaries?

Ngatitaurei nezve UN 17 SDGs uye kwatinenge tiri mushure memakore gumi kana kupfuura ekushanda pane izvi.

Unogona here kutsanangura ikozvino Cultural Landscape?

Chii chinonzi pfungwa yeAnthropocene?

Takasvika sei panzvimbo ino yeMunhu vs muzvarirwo uye zvinorevei kwatiri zvino?

Takanga tisina kamwechete vasingakoshi howa?

Chii chinonzi Holocene?

Zvakadini naMaslow's "Theory of Motivation".

Ngationgororei Kate Raworth's Donut Model.

Chii chinonzi Earth Democracy?

Uye pakupedzisira kwechikamu ichi, chii chinonzi Grandest Landscape?

Joanne Proft, Associate Director, Community Planning | Campus + Community Planning paYunivhesiti yeBritish Columbia akati:

"Alexandra Steed inopa nharo inogombedzera, yakanyatso tsvagurudza uye ine shungu yekuchengetedza ramangwana rehupenyu pasi pano - nekuita shanduko yakakosha muhukama hwedu kune zvakasikwa, kubva pakuona-yakatarisana nemufananidzo weselfie kuenda kune inosanganisa-yese nyika maonero."

 

About Portrait to Landscape: Iyo Landscape Strategy yekumisikidza Remangwana Redu:

Mufananidzo kune Landscape: A Landscape Strategy Kugadzirisa Remangwana Redu ibasa rekutanga rakanyoreswa nemugadziri ane mukurumbira wemamiriro ekunze. Zvinotinetsa kuti tinyatso shandura hukama hwedu nenyika, tichipa nzira yakakwana yekurapa pasi nekugadzirisa zvese zviratidzo uye zvinokonzeresa kukanganisa kwezvakatipoteredza.

Richishandisa dimikira remufananidzo wakamanikana, wakazvinangisa wega maringe nekuona kwenzvimbo yakakura, bhuku rinojekesa zvakadzama. kuchinja yemaonero edu akaganhurirwa. Inopa nzira dzinoshanda dzevagadziri vemitemo, vatsigiri, uye vanhu kuti vadzivirire uye vadzorere nzvimbo, ichisimbisa kubatana uye hutungamiriri hwenguva refu.

Iri bhuku rinonyandura pfungwa rinokurudzira vaverengi kuti vaongorore zvakare kubatana kwavo nezvisikwa uye kuita musangano uchienda kune zvimwe. remangwana rakasimba, zvichiita kuti ive yekuverenga kune chero munhu ari kutsvaga kunzwisisa kwakadzama kwenzvimbo yedu munyika uye kuti tingagara sei mairi nekuvimbika.

Dzvanya kusvika tenga bhuku paAmazon.

Alexandra Steed Inovaka Manzwi

Nezve Alexandra Steed

Alexandra Steed, anofarira landscape architect uye Shamwari ye Landscape Institute (FLI) uye Royal Society yeUnyanzvi (FRSA), ine kuzvipira kwakadzama kune art, kuchengetedza, uye simba rekushandura renzvimbo.

Muna 2013, iye akatanga London-based studio URBAN nechinangwa chekuunza mufaro kuhupenyu hwevanhu zuva nezuva kuburikidza nekugadzirwa kwenzvimbo kunosimudzira runako nekusimudzira hupenyu hwakanaka. Steed anoshingairira kupa zano uye anoshanda nyanzvi mapaneru emasangano akadai se Design Council UK uye Hofisi yeHurumende yeUK yeNzvimbo.

Semudzidzisi pa Iyo Bartlett, UCL, anogovera ruzivo rwake uye anozvipira nguva yake kutsigira zviratidzo zvekuvaka nzvimbo munharaunda. Steed's yakasarudzika mipiro kune landscape akitekicha vakawana mibairo ine mukurumbira, kusanganisira iyo WAFX Mubayiro yezvigadziriso zvepasi rose zvigadziriso uye LI Mubairo Wekunaka muKubata Kuchinja Kwemamiriro ekunze.

Uyezve, aive yakasarudzwa yeSir David Attenborough Award, kuratidza kuzvipira kwake kuchengetedza nekusimudzira biodiversity uye ecosystems. Iye ndiye munyori webhuku rinoputsa-pasi "Portrait to Landscape: A Landscape Strategy yekumisikidza Remangwana Redu."

Chinyorwa Mwaka 3, Chikamu chechitanhatu

[00:00:37] Jackie De Burca: Masikati akanaka, kana mangwanani, zvichienderana nekuti uri kupi. Ndiri pamwe neanodiwa chaizvo Alexandra Stead, ari kubatana nesu nhasi, chaizvo kubva Vancouver in Kanadha. Uye iyi ndiyo yechipiri mune mini nhevedzano ye podcasts nekuti akanyora bhuku rino rinoshamisa iro rinofanirwa kunyatsotariswa mune zvakawanda zvakadzama. Alexandra, ingori sumo inokurumidza nekuti tichakurudzira munhu wese kuti adzoke anonzwa chikamu chekutanga kana vasati vazviita.

[00:01:08] Alexandra Steed Hi, Jackie. Zvakanaka, ndinokutendai zvikuru nekundiva neni papodcast zvakare. Ndiri kufara chaizvo kuva pano uye kutaura newe zvakare.

Saka, sezvawataura, zita rangu ndinonzi Alexandra Stead. Ini ndiri landscape architect. Ndave ndichishanda mundima iyi kweanenge makore 25, uye ndine femu muLondon inonzi Alexandra Stead, Urban. Uye zvakadaro, ini ndichangobva kunyora bhuku rinonzi Portrait to Landscape, a landscape strategy yekugadzirisa ramangwana redu. Uye saka zvichave zvakanaka kutaura newe zvakawanda nezvazvo nhasi.

[00:01:41] Jackie De Burca: Brilliant. Saka zvakare, ini ndichakurudzira chero vateereri vasina kunzwa chikamu chekutanga, ndapota dzokera, nekuti ruzivo rwekutanga rwuripo uye maparera mazhinji ehuchenjeri zvakare. Saka ngatingosvetukira muchikamu chinotevera chebhuku, uye une ichi chinotemesa musoro mashoko kubva kuna Rachel Carson apo, Alexandra, ngationgororei izvozvo.

[00:02:01] Alexandra Steed Rudyi. Zvakanaka, ndingatanga nekuverenga makotesheni?

[00:02:05] Jackie De Burca: Ndapota ita. Ehe. Zvingave zvakanaka.

[00:02:07] Alexandra Steed Inoti, tamira zvino panosiyana nzira mbiri. Asi kusiyana nemigwagwa iri munhetembo yaRobert Frost yakajairika, haina kuenzana. Mugwagwa watagara tichifamba wakareruka zvinonyengera, mugwagwa mukuru wakatsetseka watinofambira mberi nekumhanya kukuru. Asi pakupedzisira kune njodzi.

Imwe forogo yemugwagwa, iyo isinganyanyi kufambwa nayo, inopa yedu yekupedzisira, mukana wedu wega wekusvika kunzvimbo inovimbisa kuchengetedzwa kwepasi. Sarudzo, shure kwezvose, ndeyedu kuti tiite. Rachel Carson.

[00:02:45] Jackie De Burca: Zvakanaka, ndizvo. Ehe, chirevo chakanyanya, chakakosha. Uye kune avo vanhu vasingazive kuti Rachel Carson ndiani, ungada kuvazivisa kuti ndiani, kutanga, nekuti zviri pachena kuti akakosha zvakanyanya mundima iyi.

[00:03:01] Alexandra Steed Ehe. Zvakanaka, Rachel Carson mukadzi anoshamisa, chaizvo. Iye, ndinofunga kuti vanhu vazhinji vachamuziva nebhuku rake Silent Spring. Uye ichi chirevo chiri chaizvo kubva mubhuku iro Silent Spring raakanyora achidzosera. Ndinofunga maive munenge muna 1960, panguva iyoyo. Uye zvakadaro, iye, aive ecologist. Akanga achishanda mumunda, uye akaona mashoko akawanda airatidza kuti DDT yakanga ine ngozi zvakadini. Uye zvakadaro mumazuva iwayo, yaishandiswa zvakanyanya, zvakanyanya kumarudzi ese enzvimbo kubata netumbuyu. Uye zvavakanga vachiwana nekuona nekucherechedza nekufamba kwenguva zvakanga zvisiri izvo chete kuti DDT yakanga ichirwisa tumbuyu, asi yakanga ichirwisa marudzi ose ezvipembenene. Wildlife uye kuuraya, munoziva, marudzi ose eshiri. Uye saka zvakadaro, apa ndipo pakauya pfungwa iyi yechitubu chinyararire, yekuti zano rekuti rimwe zuva tinogona kusaimba shiri uye zvingave zvakaipa sei? Saka zvakadaro, ainyatso zivisa vanhu. Akafunga, ndinofanira kuzivisa veruzhinji zviri kuitika uye kuti njodzi iyi ingave chii. Uye zvaishamisa chaizvo zvakaitika paakadaro. Saka.

Iwe unoziva, chokwadi, vanhu vese vemuindastiri vakabva vatanga kumurwisa nehunhu hwake, vachimuti muLuddite, vachimuti mukadzi ane hutsinye, munoziva, vachizvidza, vachimuzvidza chero nzira yavaigona.

Asi panguva imwecheteyo, nharaunda yese yekufamba kwezvakatipoteredza yakamuka yaive yakatenderedza iyi pfungwa yatinoda kuchengetedza zvisikwa. Tinofanira kutarisa kuti tiri kuzvibata sei mukati memamiriro ezvinhu. Tinofanira kutarisa mishonga iyi, fetereza iyi, zvimwe zvinosvibisa zviri kupinda mu mhepo mvura nenzvimbo. Saka, zvakadaro, bhuku rake Silent Spring rakanyatso kurudzira pakufamba kwese uku. Uye ndinofunga kuti chirevo ichi chandaverenga chinonyanya kurwadza nekuti chinoshanda nhasi. Zvinonyanya kukosha nhasi kupfuura zvazvaive paakanyora izvi, kuti isu tave paforogo munzira. Uye tinoziva zvose izvi. Isu tinoziva ese ezvemamiriro ekunze akagadzirwa nezviito zvedu uye zviitiko zvevanhu papasi. Tine data rese. Tinogona kuona kwairi kutitungamirira. Uye saka sarudzo ndeyedu kuti tiite. Tinongoenderera mberi nemugwagwa iwoyo, tichienderera mberi nebhizimisi senguva dzose, kana kuti tinosarudza imwe nzira inodyidzana zvikuru nechisiko uye iri pamusoro pokudzorera pasi nokudzorera ukama hwedu napasi here? Saka ndinofunga kuti pamwe ndiyo nzira yakanaka yekutanga chikamu ichi. Saka ndinokutendai nekundikumbira kuti ndiverenge iyo quote.

[00:06:02] Jackie De Burca: Brilliant. Ehe. Uye, ndinoreva, isu tiri kungovimba chete kuti nderipi gore chairo raakanyora bhuku iri, munoziva, isu chete, tichati 50, 60 makore zvichienda mberi kubva ipapo, uye tiri paiyi forogo huru iri munzira. Hapana kupokana nezvazvo. Rimwe nerimwe, zuva rega rega pane dzimwe nhau dzinotyisa dzinobuda mumapepanhau panguva yekurekodha, uye ndiMay 2024. Zvino, kudzokera kubhuku rako pachako, unoona sei chaunodaidza kuti mamiriro azvino?

[00:06:30] Alexandra Steed Zvakanaka, mamiriro azvino, ndinofunga.

Ini ndinoona mamiriro ekunze achinakidza nekuti ndinoiona senzvimbo yekusangana zvisikwa netsika. Saka zvese zvatinotenda nezvehukama hwedu nemasikirwo zvinoonekwa muchimiro chenyika. Saka mamiriro ekunze uku ndiko kuratidzwa kwemuviri kwezvese zvatinotenda pamusoro pedu uye mabatiro atinoita nemasikirwo. Tinotenda nezvehukama ihwohwo nemasikirwo. Saka ndiko kutaura kwenyama uku, kusingadaviriki kufunga kuti tiripo pamberi pemeso edu. Tinogona kutarisa uye tinogona kuona chaizvo mhando yemabatiro anoita vanhu kune mamwe zvisikwa kuburikidza nemamiriro.

Uye, munoziva, zvatinoona inyaya idzi dziri kuwedzera. Saka pamwe kudziya kwepasi rose uye kushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze uye kuparara kwezvakatipoteredza uye kuwedzera kwevanhu, kuwedzera pamwero wakadaro, munoziva, muna 1850, takanga tiri pa 1.5 bhiriyoni. Muna 1950, tiri pa2.5 bhiriyoni. Iye zvino tave pavanhu 8 bhiriyoni. Uye hazvisi chete. Haisi mhedzisiro yehuwandu hwevanhu, asi.

Asi pamusoro pekuti takawedzera sei kushandiswa kwedu kwenzvimbo. Saka tine mutsindo wakakura, kunyangwe tiri vanhu mabhiriyoni masere. Uye pamwe, iwe unoziva, pasi rinogona kubata 8 bhiriyoni vanhu, zviri pachena. Asi ndiyo nzira yatinoshandisa uye tinobvisa kubva kumatunhu pasi rese.

Uye tinotora nzvimbo yakawanda. Mumwe nemumwe wedu ane mutsindo mukuru iye zvino zvekuti kushandiswa kwezviwanikwa zvepasi kwakura. Saka, zvakadaro, tiri panzvimbo ikozvino tiri kuona huwandu hukuru hwezviitiko zvemamiriro ekunze. Ndinofunga chimwe chinhu chakafanana mumakumi mashanu emakore apfuura, huwandu hwenjodzi dzine chekuita nemamiriro ekunze hwakawedzera zvakapetwa kashanu.

Uye izvi zvine chekuita nekushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze uye kudziya kwepasirese. Saka tiri kuona zviitiko zvakadai pasi rose. Ndiri kuCanada izvozvi, uye muno muna 2021, handizive kana muchirangarira, pane chiitiko chinonzi heat dome. Uye.

Ehe. Saka muno muVancouver, kazhinji inzvimbo ine mwero, yakapfava, yakasununguka, uye zvakadaro muzhizha rino, pakanga paine tembiricha ye49.6 degrees celsius. Uye kwaipisa zvekuti kune rimwe dhorobha riri kure nemaawa mashoma kubva pandiri pano, uko rakapiswa nemoto wesango. Dhorobha rese rakanga richangopedzwa, uye zvakakonzera kufa kwevanhu mazana matanhatu, mazana matanhatu nemakumi mashanu ezviuru zvemhuka dzepapurazi uye bhiriyoni mhuka dzemahombekombe egungwa, zvisingasanganisire kukuvadzwa kwehupenyu hwekudyara uye zvipenyu. kwezvivako uye properties. Kukuvadza kwacho kunoshamisa. Uye uyu unongova muenzaniso mumwe wevakawanda, vakawanda pasi rose.

Hongu, tiri kuona humbowo hwazvo. Ndinofunga isu tese tave kukanganiswa nekushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze. Handifunge kuti chero mumwe wedu akatiza maitiro, uye tiri kuona izvi zvakanyanya uye zvakanyanya. Saka, hongu, kunetseka kukuru.

[00:10:00] Jackie De Burca: Kunetseka kukuru. Ndakaverenga nhasi nekuti, hongu, tiri munzvimbo dzakasiyana dzenguva mubepanhau reGuardian kuti tembiricha. Uye zvakare, ndiChivabvu, Chivabvu 30, 2024, muDelhi, yakakwira kusvika makumi mashanu madhigirii muMayenne Celsius. Kufanana, hazvitendeseki. Zviripachena, zviri pachena, mubhuku rako, unoziva, pane. Pane nzira, pane nzira inonzwisisika yekuti uri kugadzirisa sei nyaya. Ndeipi nzvimbo yawakatara yaunofunga kuti inogona kubata nekushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze?

[00:10:36] Alexandra Steed Rudyi. Zvakanaka, hapana. Handingati pane imwe mhando yenzvimbo.

Ndingati isu tinofanirwa kudzoreredza mamiriro emarudzi ese pasi rose.

Saka, iwe unoziva, semuenzaniso, masango, masango, masango. Ini ndinofunga kuti vanhu vazhinji vava kuziva ikozvino kukosha kwavo kunoshamisa uye mabhenefiti avo anoshamisa. Pane izwi rinowanzo shandiswa muindasitiri yangu uye mhando muindasitiri yekusimudzira ye ecosystem services. Uye ndinofunga kuti inzira yesainzi, kana kuti imwe nzira yezvehupfumi yekufunga nezvezvipo izvi zvinoshamisa izvo zvakasikwa zvinotipa.

Asi zvakanaka kuzvisimbisa. Ndinofara kuti izvi zvipo zvinoshamisa izvo zvakasikwa zvinotipa pachena zviri kuzivikanwa zvino. Uye, hongu, vanonzi ecosystem masevhisi, asi rimwe remasevhisi makuru avanopa kutora kabhoni. Saka izvi zvinonyanya kukosha kwatiri kuti tive tichifunga nezvenzira iyo masango, masango, nzvimbo dzine uswa dzine huswa chaizvoizvo hune simba rekutora kabhoni uye kuichengeta, kuchengeta carbon dioxide nemiti inokwanisa kuitora kuburikidza nephotosynthesis. Saka, iwe unoziva, iyi ishumiro inoshamisa inopihwa nemusikirwo. Asi ndinofunga izvo zvisingazivikanwe nevanhu vazhinji ndezvekuti, haisi miti chete, ivhu redu zvakare. Ndiwo makungwa epasirese anokwanisa kunyatso sequester yakakura yakawanda yecarbon dioxide. Muchokwadi, makungwa anga achishamisa kwazvo kutora kupisa kwakanyanya kubva mumhepo mukati memakumi mashoma emakore apfuura zvekuti isu takanga tisina kunyatsoona kudziya kwepasi nekuti yainyatso shanda pakubata kupisa kwakanyanyisa. Uye saizvozvo, ivhu, inenge chikamu chechina chezvose kabhoni gore negore, dzinotorwa nevhu. Saka izvi zvinoratidza zvakare kukosha kwete yemiti chete, asi yemarudzi ese enzvimbo uye utano yezvese zvipenyu. Saka, iwe unoziva, kutarisa marudzi ese evhu uye kutarisa ivhu, mvura, mhepo, zvirimwa, zvese izvi zvinhu zvakakosha maererano nerubatsiro rwavanotipa, kusanganisira kabhoni.

[00:13:23] Jackie De Burca: Chinhu chinokurumidza. Ivhu rakazara nemhando dzese dzefetereza nemakemikari, munoziva, zvinoshanda sei? Chokwadi izvozvo zvinoderedza kugona kwavo.

[00:13:32] Alexandra Steed Oo, zvinoita. Zvakawanda, hongu. Ndinoreva, ivhu rakabatwa zvakaipisisa uye zvinosuruvarisa kuburikidza kuguta uye kuburikidza nemaindasitiri uye kurima kwakakura. Kurima kwemaindasitiri kwakakanganisa zvakanyanya ivhu redu pasi rese, munoziva, kuburikidza.

Paunongotanga kugadzirira nzvimbo yekurima, chaunowana ndechekuti kazhinji masango kana masango kana mamwe marudzi enzvimbo anocheneswa. Saka unoerekana waita nyika ine mafuro akanaka uye yakamera pairi. Chiriporipocho haibereki. Saka warasa kugadzikana kwese ikoko. Zvino ibasa rekurima, sumo, sekutaura kwako, yefetereza, yemishonga yezvipembenene. Zvose izvi zvinhu zvinoshandura maumbirwo evhu uye zvinoita kuti risakure. Saka, semuenzaniso, kunyangwe, handizive kana uchirangarira ndiro yeguruva muUnited States yaive nengano, kwayaive, gosh, ndinofunga yaive yekutanga, mazana gumi nemapfumbamwe. Ini ndinofunga yaive yakatenderedza nguva yeGreat Depression, chaizvo. Uye chavakawana ikoko kwaiva nekuda kwekuchinja kwakapararira kwemafuro kuita minda yekurima, kuti vakaita izvi zvekuti ivhu richikukurwa nemhepo zvikakonzera, munoziva, zvakakonzera nzara uye zvaityisa. Saka, munoziva, mhando yezvinhu izvi, ndiwo muenzaniso mumwe chete. Asi zviri kuitika pasi rose pamwero mukuru uye mukuru sezvo masango edu akawanda nemasango nemafuro ari kuchinjwa kuva nzvimbo dzekurima dzemaindasitiri. Saka mavhu iwayo ari kutyisa. Mumamiriro ezvinhu anotyisa, uye vanofanira kunge vari nzvimbo dzinogara uye dzinokosha, iwe unoziva, dzakazadzwa nemarudzi ose ezvisikwa, sezvaunotaura. Asi chatinoona ndechekuti, munoziva, inzvimbo dzakafa idzi. Kubereka kwavo kwese kuri kubviswa.

[00:15:42] Jackie De Burca: Zvinorwadza, zvikuru.

Kuenderera mberi kune mamwe magamba, ndinofunga, ekutora kabhoni. Chii chinonzi carbon sink kune avo vasingazivi?

[00:15:53] Alexandra Steed Rudyi. Zvakanaka, kunyura kwekabhoni inzvimbo dzinokwanisa kutora huwandu hwekabhoni dhaikisaidhi kubva mumhepo.

Saka kana tichitaura nezve kunyura kwekabhoni, ndinofunga vanhu vanowanzo reva masango ayo, munoziva, kazhinji miti iri kutaurwa nevanhu senge carbon sink. Saka ivo vane kugona kukuru kwekudhonza mu sequester vozochengeta kabhoni kuburikidza nephotosynthesis uye zvingave zvakafanana. Saka kune mamwe zvakare akasimba uye absorptive ecosystems anosanganisira. Saka nzvimbo dzakaita se tundra, kazhinji hadzina kunyatso kutariswa maererano nekugona kwavo kuve kabhoni sink, asi dzinoshamisa nenzira iyoyo. Huswa hwegungwa, masango emanrove, madhaka emunyu, nzvimbo dzese idzi, idzi, idzi zvisikwa zvemugungwa zvakare, zvine kugona kunoshamisa nenzira iyoyo. Saka kazhinji inonzi inonzi blue carbon. Saka kabhoni inobatwa nemakungwa ecosystems uye nzvimbo idzi dzinotora kabhoni nekukurumidza kupfuura masango.

Saka ndiko kugona kunoshamisa zvakare.

Iwe unoziva, nzvimbo dzakaita semachakwi uye nzvimbo dzemvura dzinowanzo kuwanikwa munzvimbo dzedu dzemahombekombe dzakakosha zvinoshamisa. Idzi nzvimbo dzekuchinja dzine hukuru hukuru hwekutora kabhoni, asi kupfuura izvozvo, ndinoreva, dzinopawo chikafu, dzinopa nzvimbo dzakakosha dzehupenyu hweshiri uye dzimwe mhuka dzesango. Munoziva, vari kungozara nehupenyu, nzvimbo idzi. Saka havasi ivo chete vane mhedzisiro yesequering kabhoni, asi vane akawanda, mamwe akawanda anoshamisa mhedzisiro zvakare.

[00:17:48] Jackie De Burca: Uye ndinofungidzira kufunga nezvazvo, ndinoreva, ndinoda chaizvo mhando dzenzvimbo idzi, asi kufunga senge munhu wepakati, o, inzvimbo inogumbura nekuti yakaita senge bhomba uye kunetsa kufamba famba, munoziva, nekuti isu tinongorega. 'Uzvione, hongu, zvirinani netsika isu hatina kuzviona sezviri izvo, chii chinonzi ecological kukosha pano? Munoziva, chii chiri kuitika pano? Saka ndinofunga kuti zvakafanana nechinhu.

[00:18:10] Alexandra Steed Ehe, uye ndinofunga iyo ipfungwa yakanaka kwazvo nekuti takave neakawanda enyika, maguta ari mukati mezvikomo uye ese aya mahombe emvura ane marudzi aya enzvimbo, angave ari mangrove kana uswa hwemugungwa kana machakwi.

Zvose izvi zvakaparadzwa, munoziva, mumazana emakore apfuura. Zvakanaka, uye kunyange kurebesa kuchinjirwa kunzvimbo dzemudhorobha kana nzvimbo dzemaindasitiri kana minda yekurima nekuti ivo vanoitawo minda yakanaka yekurima. Vakapfuma kwazvo, muvhu iwawo mune kudya kwakawanda. Saka takarasikirwa nenzvimbo hombe, dzakakura. Semuenzaniso, pane imwe nzvimbo yatave kushanda kumabvazuva kweLondon inonzi Essex, uye munzvimbo iyoyo vaimbove ne30,000 machakwi. Ikozvino kwasara 2500 ha. Uye yakawanda yenzvimbo iyoyo, sezvaunotaura, yakashandiswa semarara, yakashandiswa sechiteshi, yakashandiswa kune imwe indasitiri. Uye nekuti, sezvaunotaura, vanhu havana kuikoshesa, unoziva, zvimwe zvese, iyo indasitiri yakasviba, unogona kuidana, yakasundidzirwa munzvimbo idzodzo. Uye saka yakazadzwa nemarara uye marudzi ese ezvimwe zvinhu zvinotyisa. Uye zvino vanhu vava kutanga kuziva, oh, chaizvo, kwete chete nzvimbo idzi dzinovandudza ecosystem, sefa mvura, munoziva, inovandudza kunaka kwemvura yedu zvakare mahara, vanoita senge cushion inonyura. Kana mafashamu emvura achiuya mugomba remvura, anobvumira kuti gungwa risimuke, uye vanokwanisa kupfavisa kuita kwemafungu. Saka havasi ivo chete vanopa mhando yeaya masevhisi esoftware, asi ivo vari kuchengetedza zvivakwa zvedu neindasitiri yedu uye zvese zvivakwa zvedu. Saka ivo vanotova neukoshi husingadaviriki hwaive husina munhu akambofunga nezvazvo. Ikozvino tave kutanga kuzviona, uye tave kutanga kuona mhedzisiro yekurasikirwa kwenzvimbo idzodzo, zvechokwadi.

[00:20:21] Jackie De Burca: Zvino, ndinofunga zviri pachena kuti chimwe chinhu chinoodza moyo, asi zvinosuruvarisa, ndicho chokwadi. Ngationgororei kuparara kwezvisikwa uye zvinokonzeresa vanhu. Alexandra.

[00:20:34] Alexandra Steed Hongu, zvakanaka, ndinoreva, kudonha kwezvisikwa kunogona kutonyanya kukosha kupfuura shanduko yemamiriro ekunze. Saka izvi ndizvo zvatiri kuudzwa nevesainzi. Pave nekutarisa kwakawanda pamusoro pekushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze izvozvi, ndinofunga vanhu vari kutanga kuona kuti kudonha kwezvisikwa kuri kumusoro uko zvakare kuri kusundidzirwa kusvika kumagumo.

Uye vanhu vazhinji vanoti isu tave mukutsakatika kwemazana matanhatu papasi, rekupedzisira riri apo madhinosaur akaparadzwa neasteroid yakarova pasi. Zvino, hachisi chinhu chakafanana nemasimba ekunze kana ekunze akadaro. Ikozvino mhedzisiro yedu pachedu, maitiro emunhu ari kukonzera izvi. Uye saka tiri kuona kudzikira kwezvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana, kukukurwa kwenzvimbo dzekugara, kutsakatika kwemhuka dzesango. Uye zvinhu izvi zvose zviri kuitika pamwero unotyisa, nekukurumidza zvikuru kupfuura zvanga zvafungwa nevanhu. Pakave nemushumo wazvino uno wakaitwa neintergovernmental science policy platform pa biodiversity and ecosystem services. Saka muromo wakanyanya. Asi iri isangano rinovimbika zvikuru.

Yakave nemarudzi angangosvika zana nemakumi mana akaungana, ese achiunza uye achigovana data rawo kune mumwe nemumwe nezve biodiversity munyika dzavo. Uye zviri kuratidza izvozvo pasi rose. Mamiriro ezvinhu akaipa kwese kwese. Dzimwe nzvimbo dzakaipa kupfuura dzimwe, asi kwese kuri kurohwa. Uye maererano nezvinokonzeresa zvinokonzeresa nevanhu, ndinoreva, sezvandakataura, vanhu ndiyo njodzi huru kune zvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana zvino, asi zvimwe zvezvikonzero zvinotungamira kune shanduko mukushandiswa kwevhu negungwa. Ndiro rinogona kunge rakakura nderekushandura kwatinoita nzvimbo dzedu. Saka zvinhu zvakaita sekurima, kuwedzera kukuru kwekurima, kutema matanda, kuchera migodhi, kuvandudzwa kwemaguta, kusimudzira maindasitiri, zvese izvi zvinhu, uye rudzi rwemwero wazviri kuitika izvozvi, izvo zvaisandura nzvimbo kubva kune zvakasikwa ecosystem kuita izvi zviri kukonzera kuparara kukuru. .

[00:22:53] Jackie De Burca: Rega ndipindire, nekuti ndizvo zvinodaidzwa nevanhu kuti budiriro.

[00:22:57] Alexandra Steed Hongu, pfungwa yakanaka. Ehe. Uye kazhinji pasina kufunga nezvemhedzisiro yairi kuita. Ehe, pfungwa yakanaka kwazvo. Uyezve, hongu, kune zvimwe zvinhu zvakaita sezvipenyu pamusoro pekushandiswa. Saka izvo zvingasanganisira zvinhu zvakaita sehove dzekutengesa, dziri kuitika pasi rese munyanza medu, uye zvisiri kunyatso kudzorwa. Iwe unoziva, zvinoshamisa kuti yakawanda sei yekuredza uye zvimwe zviitiko mumakungwa zvisina kudzorwa zvachose.

Kune mhuka dzinoparadza uye zvirwere. Iri zvakare idambudziko rakakura nekuda kwenzira yatiri kufamba nayo kubva kune imwe nyika kuenda kune imwe nyika, uye kazhinji tinobva taunza chirwere chitsva uye tumbuyu patinenge tiri. Kana tave kufamba kudaro. Saka vanokanganisa zvakanyanya. Kusvibiswa, zvinhu zvakadai sekurasika kwemafuta, microplastics, izvi zvose zvine mugumisiro unoparadza. Uye ipapo, hongu, kuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze mune izvozvo. Saka izvo zvinokanganisawo zvipenyu, nekuti zvinotanga kushanduka.

Inoshandura mamiriro ekunze uye mamiriro ekunze, uye saka inotanga kuchinja mwaka kana ichiitika. Zvine zvazvinoita pakutama nekubereka kwedzimwe mhuka dzesango. Saka pane zvese izvi zvekudzika mhedzisiro izvo munhu anogona kusafunga pakutanga, asi kunyangwe shanduko yemamiriro ekunze ine mhedzisiro yakakura pakudonha kwezvakatipoteredza, saka zvese zvine hukama. Chero chii chiri kuitika mukati memhoteredzo chichava nemhedzisiro.

[00:24:33] Jackie De Burca: Zvese zvakabatanidzwa munhevedzano ine musoro yebhuku rako. Alexander, ndiani Johann Rockstrom?

[00:24:42] Alexandra Steed Kurudyi, zvakanaka, Johann Rockstrom ndiye aimbova director we Stockholm Resilience centre. Uye saka iyi inzvimbo yaitsvaga kuongorora kuti miganhu yepasi ndeipi maererano nenzvimbo yakachengeteka yekushanda yevanhu.

Saka ipapo panzvimbo yekusimbaradza, Johann Rockstrom akaunganidza boka revasayendisiti makumi maviri nemasere kuti kudzidza pamwe chete kuti iyi nzvimbo yakachengeteka yekushandisa ingave yei. Uye vaitsvaga miganhu yemapuraneti isingataurwe. Saka vese kubva pamaonero avo akasiyana, nenzvimbo dzakasiyana dzehunyanzvi, zvavakawana ndezvekuti kune mipfumbamwe miganhu yemapuraneti. Varatidza miganho mipfumbamwe yemapuraneti, uye ndichaiverenga izvozvi. Saka ivo, nhamba yekutanga, shanduko yemamiriro ekunze. Chechipiri, biosphere integrity. Tatu, nitrogen uye phosphorus inoyerera. Ina, stratospheric ozone kupera. shanu, acidification yegungwa. Nhanhatu, kushandiswa kwemvura yakachena. Zvinomwe, shanduko yepasi, sezvatakanga tichingotaura nezvazvo, zvisere, zvinyowani masangano uye kusvibiswa kwemakemikari, uye mapfumbamwe ari mumhepo aerosol kurodha. Saka vane mufananidzo unonakidza chaizvo. Iwe unofanirwa kuzvitarisa paStockholm Resilience centre webhusaiti. Ini ndinopa zano kune chero munhu, nekuti vanayo mudhayagiramu yakanaka inoratidza sphere ine yakachengeteka yekushanda nzvimbo yevanhu, uye zvino inoratidza patiri parizvino mukati meimwe neimwe yeaya mapoka mapfumbamwe. Uye zvinosuruvarisa, zvatinoona ndezvekuti isu takatodarika miganhu yeakawanda emapoka iwayo.

Saka zvinhu zvakaita se biosphere kuperera, sezvavanoidaidza, saka izvo zvingave zvipenyu uye zvinhu zvakaita sekuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze. Chokwadi, takatodarika miganhu iyoyo. Uye zvavakawana zvakare ndezvekuti haugone kufunga chimwe nechimwe chezvikamu izvi uri wega. Kana imwe yadarika miganhu yayo, ine mhedzisiro kune dzimwe nzvimbo. Uye nekuti nyika imhando yegadziriro imwe chete yekurarama uye zvese zvakabatana, hongu izvi zvingava zvakadaro. Saka, semuenzaniso, ndingati imwe neimwe yeiyi ine cascading mhedzisiro. Uye mumwe muenzaniso wandinofunga kuti vanhu vazhinji vava kuziva nezvekurasika kwechando chegungwa repolar.

Kana tikatarisa mhedzisiro yemuenzaniso mumwe chete iwoyo, tinogona kuona kuti kushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze kuri kukonzera kurasikirwa kwechando chegungwa, izvo zvinotungamira mukukwira kwemvura yegungwa, kukukurwa kwemahombekombe, kurasikirwa kwekugara, kuderera kwemhuka dzesango dzeArctic, kuderera kwehove dzakawanda uye nezvimwe. zviitiko zvekunze zvakanyanya uye kunyungudutswa kwepermafrost. Ikozvino, iwo angori mamwe emhedzisiro, asi iwe unogona kuona kuti zvese zvakabatanidzwa sei neiyo imwe muenzaniso.

Vanoziva zvakare kuti shanduko yemamiriro ekunze uye kutendeseka kwebiosphere zvimwe zviratidzo zviviri zvakakosha, uye isu takatodarika iyo miganhu. Saka, munoziva, zvinhu zviri kukurumidza. Uye chavanoyambirawo ndechekuti panogona kunge paine imwe nguva yekuti zvinhu zvisisagadzirike uye zvinogona kukonzera njodzi inongoerekana yaitika. Saka, iwe unoziva, zvinhu zvingaite sezvakanaka uye zvine mwero izvozvi, kunyangwe isu takadarika miganhu iyoyo. Asi kamwe kamwe chimwe chinhu chinogona kurova uye zvese zvinogona kuchinja. Saka inyevero huru, chokwadi, kuti tiri munguva dzino, uye tinofanira kuita chiito iko zvino kuunza shanduko nguva isati yakwana.

[00:29:00] Jackie De Burca: Zvinotyisa, zviri pachena, kutaura zvishoma. Zvino, ndiri kufungidzira vanhu vazhinji vasiri chinhu, munoziva, vakadzidziswa zvimwe. Mune mamwe marudzi angadai asina kumbonzwa nezve izvo, asi vanhu vazhinji vaizoziva nezve UN's 17. kubudirira kwakasimba zvinangwa. Uye paunofunga nezvazvo, zvinongoita senge makore gumi kana kupfuura ebasa rakaitwa pane izvi. Asi isu tiri papi neizvi kunyange?

[00:29:25] Alexandra Steed Ehe, zvakanaka, ndinofunga. Ndinofunga izvo zvakaiswa munzvimbo muna 2019. Uye saka chaizvo, munoziva, zvaiitirwa kuva ma sdgs aya. Pakave nekusundidzira kukuru kwekuti izvi zvaizoitwa panosvika 2030. Saka yakanzi makore gumi ekuita ayo UN yakaisa panzvimbo yezvinangwa zvebudiriro inoenderera. Uye vakaridaidza kuti gumi rekuita. Kuziva zvinhu izvi, sekuti, semuenzaniso, kuziva nezvemiganhu yemapuraneti uye kwatakagara ipapo tichiziva kuti taifanira kuita shanduko, munoziva, shanduko yekuchinja izvozvi. Asi kunyangwe pamberi peCCIDs ma sdgs aitevera kumashure kwehurongwa, munoziva, maererano nenyika dziri kuita marongero nemutemo zvinounza izvi zvibodzwa zvebudiriro.

Uye saka kunyangwe pamberi peCCID yakanga ichidzokera kumashure. Munguva yeCOVID yakawedzera zvakanyanya. Saka ikozvino isu tave kumashure kwehurongwa, chaizvo. Saka hazvisi kutaridzika zvakanaka.

Kwete kutaridzika zvakanaka. Asi chatinoziva ndechekuti izvi zvinogona. Munoziva, ino inogona kunge iri nguva yeshanduko kana tikakwanisa kuzadzisa zvinangwa zvekusimudzira. Kana zvisina kudaro, ingava nguva inosuruvarisa zvikuru.

Saka pamwe ndiyo imwe yenguva dzakakosha dzatisati tamboona munhoroondo yevanhu uye nesarudzo dzatiri kutarisana nadzo iye zvino.

[00:30:56] Jackie De Burca: Saka, hongu, zvinotitungamira zvakanaka, Alexandra, kwauri uchitsanangura mamiriro etsika aunoreva mubhuku rako.

[00:31:07] Alexandra Steed Hongu, saka, saka tsika nzvimbo. Ndakanyora chikamu ichi chebhuku kutibatsira kunzwisisa uye kunyangwe kuzvibatsira kunzwisisa kuti takasvika sei padanho iri. Munoziva, sei. Takasvika sei kunzvimbo yekuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze uye kuparara kwezvakatipoteredza, kunyanya nekukurumidza zvakadaro? Saka, iwe unoziva, zvinhu zvangochinja zvakanyanya mumakore makumi mashanu kusvika makumi manomwe apfuura, kubvira 50, zvanga zvakakura, kuwedzera uye kukurumidza kwekuchinja kwese kwemamiriro ekunze. Saka, zvakadaro, ndinofunga kuti a. Mubvunzo wakaoma zvakanyanya mubhuku rangu, ndinongotarisa pamusoro pekuti takasvika sei pakadai. Asi ndingati, munoziva, chizvarwa chedu chakagara nhaka yenyika ine hukama husina kushanda kune zvakasikwa. Munoziva, ndinofunga takazvarirwa mazviri. Uye hukama hunoratidzwa nekutonga, nekushandisa, kuzvikudza, uye kusaziva. Panguva imwecheteyo, kune mamwe marudzi ese ehupenyu uye kunyangwe mukati menzanga yavanhu, mune kusaenzana kwakawanda nekusaenzana nekusaenzana.

[00:32:26] Jackie De Burca: Zvamazvirokwazvo. Ehe.

[00:32:28] Alexandra Steed Saka maitiro emunhu akanyanya uye akawandisa zvekuti isu tagadzira nguva inotevera yeanthropocene. Munoziva, saka. Saka mumakore akapfuura, taizodaro. Uye dzimwe nguva dze geological. Akanga ari masimba makuru echisikigo akaunza nhambo itsva kuvapo. Zvino tave kutarisa kuita kwevanhu kuri simba iri. Isimba rakakosha uye rine simba papasi zvekuti tasvika panguva itsva. Uye anthropocene inoreva zera richangoburwa remunhu. Saka ndinofunga kuti zvakanaka. Zvinonakidza. Uye saka, chaizvo, zvave kubva kuma1950s, sezvandanga ndichitaura, kuti kwave nekukwira kwakanyanya uye kusati kwamboitika mukukanganisa kwevanhu pane zvakatipoteredza izvo zvakaratidzwa nezvinhu zvakawanda zvakasiyana, sehuwandu hwenyika, kushandiswa kwesimba, kushandiswa kwemvura, greenhouse gas emissions, kurasikirwa kwezvinhu zvipenyu, zvinhu zvose izvi zvinotiratidza kukwira kwakafanana. Saka kana ukavatarisa pagirafu kubva 1950 kusvika zvino, vese vane swooping yakafanana kutanga munenge muna 1950. Uye kumberi kusvika 1950, zvinhu zvaive zvakanaka. Munoziva, takanga tichingoita sokunge tichijamba. Uye zvino kamwe kamwe muna 1950, maitiro edu, munoziva, zvakaita seizvi. Vanoidaidza kuti hockey stick curve, uye inoramba ichikwira.

Saka ndizvo zvatiri kusangana nazvo, ndosaka pangove neshanduko yakakura kudaro mumakore makumi mashanu kusvika makumi manomwe apfuura.

[00:34:22] Jackie De Burca: Ini ndinofunga kuti, hongu, zviri pachena senguva yakakura yekuchinja, asi takasvika sei kunzvimbo ino yemunhu zvichienderana nehunhu, munoziva? Uye chii, zvinorevei, munofunga?

[00:34:34] Alexandra Steed Ehe, ndizvozvo.

Zvakanaka, ndinofunga kuti iyi yanga iri pfungwa yanga iinesu kwemakore. Munoziva, pandakanga ndichinzvera bhuku racho, ndakawana mifungo mizhinji kwazvo muuzivi, murudzidziso, munyika yesainzi iyo yagara ichiratidzira iyi pfungwa yokutonga kwomunhu pamusoro pechisiko. Saka ndine akati wandei makotesheni pano anonakidza kwazvo. Saka, semuenzaniso, Aristotle akanyora, zvisikwa zvakagadzira zvinhu zvese zvakanangana nekuda kwemunhu. Saka kukosha kwezvinhu zvisiri zvevanhu zvinongobatsira, munoziva, kana Descartes anodaro, vatenzi uye varidzi vezvakasikwa. Ndiwo matauriro aanoita vanhu. Kana kuti Bacon akati, regai rudzi rwevanhu rudzore kodzero iyo pamusoro pezvakasikwa inova yavo kubudikidza nekukumbira kwaMwari.

[00:35:34] Jackie De Burca: Hongu, ese akatorwa kubva mubhuku rako. Uye ndakadaro. Ndaitotya mukoma wake pandakaaverenga. Ndakafanana, Mwari wangu, munoziva, mazita makuru akadai. Chokwadi, hongu. Uye izvozvo zvakadzika midzi matiri.

[00:35:49] Alexandra Steed Ndizvozvo. Iwe unoziva, zvine simba mune ese aya mazano, ese epfungwa idzi, wobva waita. Wakatungamirira pfungwa dzedu dzesainzi, uzivi hwedu, uzivi hwedu, zvitendero zvedu. Iwe unoziva, ese aya mazano akadzika midzi. Saka, sezvandambotaura, isu takazvarirwa mukusashanda uku. Zvakanaka, izvo zvandinotenda i dysfunction, kuti isu hatisi chikamu chezvisikwa asi takasiyana nazvo. Uye kwete kungopatsanurana, asi tichitenda kuti hatina kupatsanurana uye hatisi kuwirirana nekuparadzana, asi takaenzana, asi takaparadzana uye tinotonga uye tiri nani pane, uye tiri vakuru pamusoro pezvimwe zvese. Saka izvo zvakadzika midzi matiri, muhurongwa hwese hwatinahwo muhupfumi hwedu, munoziva, mune yedu. Muzvinhu zvose, munoziva. Uye nezuro, kana pane chimwe chikamu chedu, pachikamu chekutanga, takanga tichitaura nezvekuti tsika dzedu hadzina kana kusvika panyika. Saka tinotaura chete nezvehutsika maererano nehukama nevamwe vanhu. Asi nekuda kweiyi pfungwa yekutonga pamusoro pezvisikwa, hatina kana kumbofunga kuti zvakakosha kuve nechero mhando yetsika maererano nemabatiro atinoita kune zvakasikwa. Saka, munoziva, ndingati kune dzimwe nzanga, kune zvimwe zvitendero neuzivi pasi rose uye mumazera ose anga aine dzimwe pfungwa, iyi yanga isiri iyo pfungwa yega yevanhu vachipesana nezvisikwa. Saka, semuenzaniso, iyo yeChina yehuzivi pfungwa yeyin uye yang, iyo yakanyanya kuratidza mhando yevatema nechena, asi kuti yakabatana sei, mauto anopokana anoda mumwe nemumwe uye anongorembera pamwe chete kana aonekwa. muhumwe.

Uye saka ndiyo mhando yekutaura, ndinofunga, kuti isu tinofanirwa kunge tichishanda kuti tinzwisise izvozvo.

Kunzwisisa kuti vanhu uye zvisikwa, nepo panogona kunge paine musiyano pakati pedu, iwe unoziva, pane nguva dzose kuzivikanwa sewako. Sezvo iwe pachako semunhu, asiwo iwe pachako sechikamu chehukuru hwakakura. Uye saka izvo zvinhu zviviri zvinofanira kugara zvichichengetwa mupfungwa.

[00:38:15] Jackie De Burca: Chokwadi. Uye kufunga nezve maNative America, ndoziva kuti ishoko rinotsvaira. Zviripachena kuti kune madzinza akawanda akasiyana, asi ivo vanotaura kuna baba wedenga naamai Nyika. Munoziva, zvakangonyanya kukosha, handizvo here?

[00:38:27] Alexandra Steed Ndizvozvo, hongu. Saka, munoziva, tinogona kunge tichitarisa kune vakawanda indigenous vanhu pasi rose. Kune dzimwe nzira dzakawanda dzekutarisa nyika. Asi mukufunga kwehuzivi hwekumadokero, isu takanyatso kutungamirwa. Nenzira yehunyambiri.

[00:38:43] Jackie De Burca: Chokwadi, ndiri kufunga kuti isu takakosha chaizvo uye isu takakwirira pamusoro pezvimwe zvisikwa zvese pasi, asi kufunga nezvazvo, uye bhuku rako rinoratidza izvi zvakanyanya, isu takanga pane imwe nhanho chaizvo zvipenyu zvisingakoshi, Hatisi here?

[00:38:58] Alexandra Steed Zvakanaka, ndizvozvo. Iwe unoziva, saka, ndinoreva, kana iwe ukafunga nezvehupenyu hwepasi, uye ndikaverenga kumwe kunhu, iwe unoziva, kana waizviona seawa gumi nemaviri, vanhu vanongoonekwa mumasekonzi mashoma ekupedzisira. Saka kunyangwe maererano nenhoroondo yepasi, isu hatikoshi. Isu takangoita seblip kumagumo. Uye, iwe unoziva, kwezhinjisa yenhau yomunhu, vanhu vakanga vasingakoshi. Vakanga vakangofanana nezvimwe zvipenyu zvepanyika, zvine mutsindo wakareruka.

Uye ini ndinofunga aive Carl Jung akataura kuti munhu wekare haana kuzviona saishe wechisiko uye kuti chaizvo iyo zoological classification yakagumira panzou, kwete nemunhu mune yavo schema yenyika. Saka, iwe unoziva, inguva pfupi yadarika kuti takava nemaonero aya uye kuti takave nebasa iri rekuve rudzi rwemhando yepamusoro yehupenyu papasi.

Saka, iwe unoziva, ndingati kufunga nezvekushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze uye kusiyana-siyana kwezvipenyu kwakakosha munhoroondo yese yevanhu zvakare, nekuti zvinongori nekuda kwekugadzikana kwemamiriro ekunze uye nekuda kwemamiriro ekunze. zvipenyu zvakapfuma uye zvipenyu zvakatipoteredza izvo zvakabvumira kufambira mberi kwevanhu nebudiriro mumakore achangopfuura. Saka kana ndichiti makore achangopfuura, ndiri kutaura senge 12,000. Saka ndipo pakatanga Holocene epic uye izvi zvakaunza mamiriro ekunze akadzikama, ane mwero, uye zvakabvumira kuti shanduko yezvekurima iitike. Saka pane, iwe unoziva, kugara uchifamba uye uchifanirwa kujairana. Kune akasiyana masisitimu emamiriro ekunze uye mamiriro ekunze, ikozvino vanhu vaigona kugara vakamira ndokutanga kushanda ivhu. Uye izvo zvaigoneka chete nekuda kwemwaka yakagadzikana uye mamiriro ekunze.

Saka kufambira mberi kwese kwatakaona, unoziva, kuti zvatakaona nevanhu zvava kuita saishe wechisiko, se.

Sezvo Bacon, ndinofunga, akataura, izvo zvakagoneka chete nekuda kweaya anoshamisa mamiriro ekunze uye kupfuma kwezvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana zvakatipoteredza.

[00:41:48] Jackie De Burca: Zvinoshamisa kana ukazvifunga, handizvo here?

[00:41:50] Alexandra Steed Hongu, hongu, chaizvo.

[00:41:54] Jackie De Burca: Zvakadaro, kuenda kuchikamu chinotevera chebhuku rako, chii chinonzi Maslow's theory of motivation?

[00:42:03] Alexandra Steed Rudyi. Zvakanaka, ndakataura dzidziso yaMaslow yekukurudzira nekuti, zvakanaka, chete. Kungodzokera kupfungwa yataitaura nezvayo, kuti kufambira mberi mumunhu uye munharaunda kunogona kuitika chete kana zvakakosha zvemuviri uye kuchengetedza zvinodiwa. Saka pandakanga ndichitsvaga nezve nhoroondo yerudzi rwevanhu, zvakandiita kuti ndifunge nezve dzidziso yaMaslow yekukurudzira, nekuti ndakafunga, o, hongu, zvakanaka, izvi ndizvo, munoziva, ndinofunga anotaura nezvazvo zvakanyanya padanho rega rega, asi ndaigona kuona ipapo kuti zvakanga zvakabatana sei nenzanga pamwero mukuru zvikuru. Uye kuti nekuda kwekugadzikana kwemamiriro ekunze uye kupfuma kwezvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana izvo zvaizadzisa zvese zvinodiwa nevanhu, zvakapa nharaunda yakachengeteka. Uye isu, munoziva, takakwanisa kuwana chikafu nemvura yakachena zviri nyore. Isu tinokwanisa, munoziva, kuva nepekugara kutidzivirira. Uye kana izvo zvinhu zvaitwa, kana izvo zvidikanwi zvazadzikiswa, ipapo munhu kana nzanga inokwanisa kufambira mberi nazvo sehwaro. Iwe unoziva, kana uchigara uchinetseka, o, ndichawanepi chikafu changu chinotevera kubva? Kana kuti kana kuedza kwese kwauchaita kugadzira chimwe chinhu sechakanganiswa uye chakaparadzwa nedutu, kana, unoziva, mamwe masimba emusikirwo ese aya sezvakaitika muzviuru zvemakore zvisati zvaitika, saka, haugone kufambira mberi. Asi nekuda kwekuti takanakidzwa nemamiriro ezvinhu anoshamisa aya, akagadzikana, zvinobvumidza vanhu kuti vafambire mberi uye nekupfuura. Saka ndosaka ndakaunza iyo dzidziso yekukurudzira, kuratidza kuti imhaka yeiyi nguva inoshamisa yeHolocene yakabvumira kuti zviitike, izvo zvinobvumira kufambira mberi kwevanhu. Uye chaizvo, masayendisiti akafungidzira kuti nguva iyi yeHolocene ingangove yakaenderera kweanenge mamwe makore 50,000. Ndiko fungidziro yekuti ingadai ichangoenderera mberi kwenguva yakati rebei.

Asi nekuda kwesimba revanhu, izvo zvave kusvika kumagumo, uye tave kutanga kuona shanduko izvozvi.

[00:44:23] Jackie De Burca: Uye mukati memaitiro evanhu, kudzokera kune chimwe chinhu, kutora pane chimwe chinhu chawakambotaura pamusoro pacho, ndiko kuti, iwe unoziva, hukuru, kunyange mukati mevanhu pachavo, zvakasiyana-siyana, iwe unoziva, kune marudzi ose ezvikonzero zvakasiyana. Zvakafanana nedzidziso yekurudziro, nekuti iwe ungave wakasarudzika, ini ndingadai ndiri musiyano, uye ndinoziva vazhinji vevamwe vanhu varipo, asi vanhu vazhinji vakangoita, vasingango pfuura mukati menzanga yatakagadzira. , kana vachipfuura. Uye izvo zvinoreva kuti ivo havasi kunyatso kushanduka sevanhu ivo pachavo, nekuti ivo vanofanirwa kumuka mangwanani voenda kubasa ravanovenga kuunza kumba mari kuti vararame munharaunda ino izvozvi.

[00:45:05] Alexandra Steed Hongu, zvakanaka, ichokwadi. Ndinoreva, uye. Uye kusawirirana kwepasi kuri kukura.

Nguva pfupi yadarika, takaona kusaenzana kukuru, kunyanya mushure meCovid, iyo yakanyatso gadzira kusaenzana kwakanyanya pasirese. Iye zvino tine mamiriro aya apo 1% chete ndiyo yava kutonga nyika yakawanda nehupfumi, uye vamwe vanhu vose vane zvishoma. Munoziva, vazhinji. Ruzhinji rwevagari vepasi havakwanise kuwana nyika yavo pachavo kana kugona kurima chikafu nerudzi irworwo. Saka tiri kurarama munyika zvino ine kusaenzana kwakanyanyisa uye kusaenzana.

[00:45:52] Jackie De Burca: Izvo zvinotisvitsa pakukurukurirana Kate Raworth's donut modhi, yandinoziva ine mukurumbira. Asi, hongu, wakazviisa mubhuku rako, saka iva akanaka kuti uwane maonero ako pazviri.

[00:46:03] Alexandra Steed Ehe, zvakanaka, ndinofunga kuti inorembera zvakanaka nemiganhu yepasi nekuti, hongu, nyanzvi yezvehupfumi Kate Rayworth, watiri kutaura nezvake, akabatanidza iyo miganhu yepuraneti mune itsva yehupfumi modhi. Saka iBritish economist, uye ndinofunga ainetsekana nezvaaiona munyika yezvehupfumi zvekuti zvakange zvakanangana zvakanyanya, munoziva, kugara uchigadzika paGDP zvekuti ichi ndicho chiratidzo chebudiriro senyika. Uye, iwe unoziva, ingori yakagomara, nhete lenzi yekutarisa kana iwe uchifunga nezve kupfuma kwehupenyu. Saka aitsvaga nzira yakagadzikana iyo, yakafanana naJohann Rockstrom, ndinofunga aitarisa kuburikidza nemhando yake yehupfumi kuti asangane nezvinodiwa nevanhu vese achiremekedza miganhu yepasi.

Saka akaunganidza zvibodzwa nezviratidzo zveUN zvekusimudzira uye ndokuisa zvindori zvine miganhu yepuraneti. Saka inonzi. Inonzi donut modhi yehupfumi nekuti ine zvindori zviviri izvi, uyezve pakati pezvindori zviviri iyi yakachengeteka uye ingori nzvimbo yekuti vanhu vagare mukati meiyo.

Saka zvinoratidza, ndinofunga kupfuma kwemuenzaniso uyu kunoratidza kuti kubudirira kwevanhu uye hutano hwezvakatipoteredza endai makabatana. Havagoni kunyatsorangarirwa vari voga. Yese yehupfumi hwedu, ese ezvehupfumi zvimiro zvedu zvakavakirwa chaizvo pane zvakasikwa uye zvichienda zviwanikwa. Saka mvura yakachena, migodhi, kubata hove, zvese izvi zvinhu, matanda, kutema matanda, zvese zvinoenderana nezviwanikwa. Uye saka kuzvifunga pasina kufunga nezvechisikigo kunopenga. Munoziva, kupenga chaiko.

[00:48:16] Jackie De Burca: Zviri. Zviri. Saka, hongu. Chii chinonzi democracy yepasi?

[00:48:22] Alexandra Steed Zvakanaka, iyo ipfungwa yandinofunga yakanyatsobatanidzwa nemamwe emamwe aya. Saka Earth democracy ipfungwa yakaiswa pamberi. Iye imhando yezvakatipoteredza rock nyeredzi, ndingati, asiwo muzivi, munyori. Iye mukadzi anoshamisa anonzi Vandana Shiva. Uye saka inyanzvi yeIndia yakagadzira izwi rekuti demokrasi yepasi kutsanangura pfungwa yemhuri yepasi.

Uye saka zvakangofanana, ndingati, kune pfungwa yaAldo Leopold yetsika yepasi apo zvisikwa zvese zvinotariswa uye zvipenyu zvese zvine kodzero dzakaenzana dzekurarama kuburikidza nezvipo zvepasi. Saka ari kunyatso tsigira kodzero dzezvipenyu zvese, kuti tese tiri vagari vePasi uye kuti hupfumi, zvakatipoteredza uye vanhu vese vanofanirwa kutariswa zvakaenzana.

Saka, chaizvoizvo, mune zvose zviri zviviri mabhuku, mubhuku raKate Raworth uye mune rimwe remabhuku andakaverenga naVandana Shiva, vose vakanga vachitaura nezvavo.

Nezve etymology yeizwi economics uye ecology, ivo vanayo chaizvo. Zvakanaka, ivo vari vaviri eco, handizvo here? Saka izvo zvinobva muchiGiriki oikos, zvinoreva imba.

Uye saka zvangori, zvinonakidza kwazvo kuti matangiro avo ainyatsoenderana. Munoziva, vakabva pamudzi mumwe chete. Mazuva ano, hatitombovafungi saizvozvo. Isu hatifunge nezve ecology yemhando muchikamu chimwe chete nehupfumi, asi ivo vanopindirana uye vakabatana. Uye saka kufunga nezvazvo, munoziva, iyo pfungwa yemumba kuti isu tiri kutarisira imba ino uye kuti zvipenyu zvese vagari vepasi rino uye vese vanoda kutarisirwa nekurerwa.

[00:50:35] Jackie De Burca: Fantastic. Ikozvino, tave nekurukurirano yakanaka chikamu chino, saka tichachipedzisa nekuti tiri kutevera zvine musoro kuronga kwebhuku renyu. Saka tichayeuchidza vanhu kuti ichi chingori chikamu chechipiri munhevedzano, uye saka ndapota teerera kune chekutanga uye chimwe chinotevera. Uye isu tichangopedzisa pamusoro peiyi nyika yakakurisa.

[00:50:59] Alexandra Steed Zvakanaka, zvakanaka, ini, ndapedza chikamu ichi chebhuku, ndinoda kudaidza kuti kumbomira kuti ndifunge nezve, kubwinya kwenyika ino yatinogara mairi. Munoziva, tine rombo rakanaka kuva pano tichigara pasi rino. Ndiyo chete nzvimbo yehupenyu inozivikanwa, munoziva, mukati medu solar system kana galaxy kana chadenga. Hatizive chero imwe nzvimbo inogona kutsigira vanhu kana hupenyu zvakazara, uye isu tiri pano. Uye, iwe unoziva, iyi nzvimbo yakafukidza pasi rose inonzi biosphere kana ichionekwa seimwe mukukwana. Uye iyo biosphere inoumbwa nenzvimbo dzese dzehupenyu, nzvimbo dzese dzinozivikanwa dzehupenyu. Saka inosanganisira mvura, nyika, mhepo, asi inongova makiromita makumi maviri pakudzika. Uye paunofunga izvozvo, iwe unoziva, chikamu chemuchinjikwa, kana iwe waizocheka pasi rose, ingangoita zviuru gumi nezviviri, ndipo pane hupenyu hwese, kwete pano chete, asi chero kupi zvako muchadenga. Zvinoshamisa chaizvo. Uye zvinokuita kuti uone kusadzivirirwa, kukosha kwakaita biosphere uye kuti imwe neimwe yenzvimbo inoumba iyo yakakosha biosphere, zvese zvakakosha uye zvese zvakabatana. Ndinoda kuzvifunga sematepi.

Uye, iwe unoziva, kuti imwe neimwe yenzvimbo dzakanakisa idzi ine basa rayo rekuita uye chikamu chayo chakakosha kukuvimbika kwese. Saka senge tapestry, munoziva, tapestry yese inorembera pamwe chete, asi kana iwe uchifungidzira kuti shinda imwe chete yadhonzwa kubva mumucheka iwoyo, inogona kutanga kunyurura chinhu chose. Uye ndinofunga kuti, ndiwo dimikira rakanaka rekufunga nezvenyika. Isu tinofanirwa kunge tichidzivirira uye nekuchengetedza imwe neimwe yetambo, imwe neimwe yenzvimbo dzedu, nekuti yakakosha kukuvimbika kwese. Saka chero kwaunenge uri, iwe unoziva, chero kwaunogara, iyo nzvimbo yakakosha uye inoda kutarisirwa kwako.

[00:53:25] Jackie De Burca: Ndizvo zvakanakisa, uye inzira yakanaka yekupedza chikamu ichi. Ipfungwa huru yekutora kune vanhu vese varikuteerera kana kuona kuti vaende navo vongofungisisa. Uye ndinovimba kana vachinge vachisangana nemamiriro avo ezvinhu, zvinodzoka mukuziva kwavo uye nekuvakurudzira kuita chinhu chakanaka.

[00:53:48] Alexandra Steed Zvakanaka, wanga uri mufaro kutaura newe. Newewo waidiwa chose.

[00:53:54] Jackie De Burca: Izvo chaizvo, munoziva, zvinonakidza. Chikamu chega chega, ndinofunga, chiri kungodzika nekudzika munhau dzaunobata nadzo mubhuku rako. Uye, munoziva, ingonzwa sekudaro nekuzviongorora nenzira iyi. Pane zvakawanda, hongu. Kune shinda dzakawanda dzakasiyana kumusoro, kune tapestry iri kuuya. Ehe.

Saka ndinokutendai zvikuru.

[00:54:17] Alexandra Steed Ndatenda, Jackie.

 

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