A Sustainable Snapshot yeCobh: Local Action, Global Implications S4, E14

Ndokumbira utarise kuti izvi zvinogadzirwa nedigital uye zvinogona kunge zvine zvimwe zvikanganiso.

Jackie De Burca: Ndekupi kuri nani kupfuura nyika yako yekumba kuti utange kuongorora chimwe chinhu chiri padyo nemoyo wemunhu? Uye ndinotenda kune mizhinji yemoyo yevanhu pavanotanga kufunga nezvazvo. PaConstructive Voices, hatisi kungoongorora chete zvikamu zviri pachena zvenzvimbo yakavakirwa.

Kutaura zvazviri, tiri kuchera zvishoma. Uye kubatanidza vanhu nenzvimbo dzavo pamwechete, nekuti ndizvo zvazvinoreva. Kuti zvakatipoteredza zvinotikanganisa sei zuva rega rega tichifunga nezvehutano hwedu, nemabatirwo anoitwa mabasa edu ezuva nezuva. Pane kungowanda zvinhu izvo zvakatipoteredza zvinounza kwatiri kana.

Zvimwe zvinototiomera zvakanyanya. Iye zvino ndava naStephen Barrett. Ndiye maneja wechirongwa cheWhole Life Carbon Chirongwa pa Irish Green Building Council, uye achataura nesu nezveCobh, inoyevedza [00:01:00] Guta reIrish kunze kweCork. Stephen akadyara midzi yake ipapo kwenguva ino, uye iye zvino anobvunza zvimwe zvinhu zvenzvimbo iyi sebudiriro.

Zvifambiso zvezvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana uye kudada kwenharaunda uye kuti nzvimbo iyi Cobh uye cork kazhinji inogona kuumba nzira yakagadzikana yekumberi. Tichataura pamusoro pezvidzidzo zvakaita semitsetse yechitima isingashandiswe kufambisa ngarava, uye lenzi yemuno inoonekwa naStephen pamatambudziko epasi rose. Ngatinyure mukati. Ndafara kuti uri pano pandiri nhasi.

Ndinoziva kuti wakabatikana zvakanyanya, saka ndinokutendai nekutora nguva. Ungada here kuzvisuma kune vateereri?

Stephen Barrett: Ini ndinonzi Stephen Barrett. Ini ndiri maneja wechirongwa chehupenyu hwese kabhoni mapurojekiti kuIrish Green Building Council inotarisa kabhoni munzvimbo yakavakirwa, kwete musimba chete, asi mumidziyo uye. kuvaka nekuputswa ku.

Jackie De Burca: Uye ko nezve zvishoma zvemashure, uh, geographical, Stephen, nekuti ndakava nehurukuro yekutsvagisa newe [00:02:00] vhiki kana maviri apfuura uye iwe, unoziva, une nzvimbo inonakidza yenzvimbo. 'nekuti chikamu ichi chiri pamusoro penzvimbo inokubata iwe panguva ino.

Stephen Barrett: Ehe, saka ndakatamira kuCobh makore mana apfuura.

Cobh, sezvawataura, maminetsi makumi maviri muchitima kunze kweCork City. Kufanana nevanhu vakawanda. Munguva yedenda, hupenyu hwedu hwakakandwa mudenga uye zvidimbu zvakamhara zvakasiyana zvachose. Ndakatanga denda iri mufurati diki muLondon, ndakaipedza yakawanda kumahombekombe ekumadokero kweIreland nevabereki vangu vachiedza kuvachengeta mumba pavaifanira kunge vachigara pamba.

Zvino apo tose takabvumirwa kubuda zvakare, mudzimai wangu neni takawana kuti takanga tisingadi chaizvoizvo kudzokera kuLondon. Saka takatarisa-tarisa. Kune nzvimbo itsva yekugara uye, uye takagara. Nekuti zvinongoratidzika kunge zvine zvese zvatiri kutsvaga.

Jackie De Burca: Fantastic. Uye kune kumwe kwandanga ndiri [00:03:00] makumi emakore apfuura. Zviri pachena kuti ndanga ndakagara Speini nguva refu zvino, saka ndave nenguva refu ndiripo.

Asi kunaka kwepositadhi. Ehe,

Stephen Barrett: Ehe. Imwe mhando yezvinhu zviri nyore pamusoro payo ndaive ndichiri kukwanisa kudzokera kuWest coast kunoona amai vangu. Uye mudzimai wangu aigona kusvetukira muchikepe achienda kuBristol kunoona mhuri yake. Saka zvose zvakanyatsonaka katatu. Uye iri muchitima, iri munzira yechitima, yakananga muco city.

Jackie De Burca: Fantastic. Saka iri kutara mabhokisi akawanda zviri pachena, rako uye remukadzi wako. Ngatitaurei nezve kuti zvinhu zviriko sei panguva ino maererano nemhando yemisoro yatinonyanya kufarira, inofarirwa nemhando dzakasiyana-siyana dzezvipenyu uye zvine hukama nekabhoni, zvese zvinonyatso dzokera mukushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze.

Kuedza kushandira net zero biodiversity, mhando yese yezvinhu. Chii chakanaka nezvazvo, Stephen,

Stephen Barrett: chii chakanaka nazvo? Pamwe chii chakanaka pamusoro pacho kubva kune imwe nyika. Maonero inzvimbo yakaonda zvisikwa, iri kufamba kwemaminetsi makumi maviri kubva pamusuwo wangu wepamberi, uyo uchangobva [00:04:00] mhando inoshamisa yehupenyu hweshiri mairi.

Ini handisi nyanzvi pane izvozvo, asi izvo zvandinonzwisisa kubva kuvanhu vari munharaunda vari, ingori chinhu chinoshamisa chekuve nacho pamusuwo wedu, ndinofunga kubva padanho rekusimudzira. Guta reCork nenzvimbo dzakaritenderedza nekuda kwekuvandudzwa kukuru mumakore gumi anotevera. Kune zviteshi zvitsva zvechitima zviri kupinda, zvinotungamira muCork City uye kuenda kuEastwood.

Saka pane investment hombe ipapo. Pane mugwagwa mutsva unopinda muRing, Skiddy. Ndinofunga kuti pane mibvunzo yakawanda isina kupindurwa kuti sei kushanda zvadzo zvichakanganisa kusiyana-siyana kwezvinhu zvipenyu uye kubuda, saka chimwe chinhu chiri mupombi. Kune huwandu hukuru hwekuvavarira kwakatenderedza Cork City izvozvi.

Ini handina chokwadi chekuti kukanganisa kwezvakatipoteredza kuri kuverengerwa, pamwe nekuti isu. Mitemo iripo inoda izvozvo. Saka achange ari makore anonakidza mashoma, ndinofunga.

Jackie De Burca: [00:05:00] Zvirokwazvo achava makore anonakidza mashoma. Uye ndinofunga izvo zvinouya mupfungwa, iwe unoziva, semunhu weIrish ndeyevazhinji vevateereri vedu, kana iwe unoziva, vateereri vepasi rose uye pamwe zvakakosha kuudza vanhu ivavo kuti uchaziva izvi nekuti uri, wakagara ikoko kwemakore ikozvino, kork ingangoita seimwe yerimwe guta guru reIreland, zvisiri pamutemo, handizvo here?

Stephen Barrett: Ehe, zvisiri pamutemo. Ehe.

Jackie De Burca: Zvakanaka, ndinofunga vanhu vekork vangadaro, munoziva, kune mhando huru yekudada isiripo nenguva? Zvakanaka, pane fantastic

Stephen Barrett: kudada nazvo. Ehe. Ehe. Iri iguta rine ruzha. Ndakanzwa rudzi rwevanhu mumahotera vachitambira vanhu uye vachingosuma cork seguta guru, guta guru chairo. Ndinonzwa izvozvo kakawanda.

Saka hongu, pane, kune kudada kukuru kwenzvimbo uye ndinofunga budiriro iri mupombi ichanyatso kuratidza izvozvo uye ini, ndinongovimba kuti zvaitwa nemazvo.

Jackie De Burca: Okay. Saka ndinoreva, hongu isu tinofanirwa kufarira kuona iyo nzvimbo uye iripo, kubva pane zvandinogona kuona nevanhu vandakataura navo uye online zvakare, pane zvakawanda.

Brilliant basa ririkuitika [00:06:00] yatova muIreland zvakapoteredza zvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana, handizvo here? Ehe. Saka ngatiende kune yako wega hunyanzvi uye unonzwa sei uine yako nyanzvi ngowani pamusoro peiyo mhando yezvinhu muCobh uye imwezve ndima muCork?

Stephen Barrett: Hunyanzvi hwangu huri mukutarisa kutenderera kwehupenyu hwezvivakwa, kwete chete mashandisiro atinoita, asi.

Uye izvo zvakanakira nezvazvakaipira izvo zvavakagadzirwa nazvo, zvese kune anogara, asiwo nemhedzisiro yezvakatipoteredza yezvinhu izvozvo. Saka kubva pakuona kwehunyanzvi, ndinoda chaizvo kuona sarudzo dzakanaka. Nesarudzo dzakanaka, ndinoreva sarudzo dzine hunyanzvi pazvinhu zvakaringana zvezvivakwa kubva kune ecological pamwe nemushandisi maonero, uye kwete kungodhura kubva pakuona kwekusimba.

Zvakare, kwete chete mari. Ini ndinofunga chinhu chimwe chete chatiri kuona iko zvino ipfungwa iyi yekungoongorora kwehupenyu kubva pakuona kwezvakatipoteredza, asi kutenderera kwehupenyu kudhura kwete kungoita. [00:07:00] capital cost. Mm-hmm. Saka ndinoda kuona kuchengetwa kwakawanda kuchiitwa mukati kuronga maitiro kuitira kuti uwane mabhenefiti enguva refu kubva kune zvese izvi zvivakwa zvitsva izvo parizvino zviri pamabhodhi ekudhirowa.

Jackie De Burca: Saka uchikudza Cobh kunyanya, Stephen, chii chaunoona chakanakira Cobh kana zvasvika pakusimba?

Stephen Barrett: Ndinoona zvichishamisa kuti njanji yechitima haishandiswe zvishoma. Ihafu yeawa yoga yoga. Zvaive zvakakosha kumudzimai wangu neni kusarudza kugara pano. Haatyairi, saka takanga takadaro.

Pakutanga kufunga, tichawana nzvimbo yakanaka munyika, uye zvino zviri pachena kuti chokwadi chinokanda mukati uye iwe unofunga, zvakanaka, kwete, tinoda, handigoni kutyaira kwose kwose. Saka takatsvaga guta diki reCobh, ndizvo here? Vanhu havangotarise njanji yekubatanidza sezvavanofanira kuita. Pane fungidziro iyi otomatiki yekuti unosvetukira mumota mako wopinda mudhorobha.

Asi iyo, inogara ipapo hafu yeawa yoga yoga. [00:08:00] Zviri, zvakangofanana nechinhu chakasimba kwazvo mutaundi, uye hachina kushandiswa uye chisingakosheswi. Ndinoda chaizvo kutaura nekanzuru kuti vangazvisimudzira sei, senzira. Pane nzira yekufamba pakati peguta neguta. Izvo kwandiri zvine simba rekuita ipapo, unoziva, dhorobha harizare nemota.

Ini handiwani chete Cobh, asi, asi dhorobha rega rega muIreland ikozvino rakangozara nemotokari uye. Vanhu vachigunun'una pamusoro pekuzarirwa nemota vachiuya nemota yavo kumafaro. Saka ini,

Jackie De Burca: Ndinoziva kuti chinhu chetsika uye pandinodzokera kuDublin, ndinozviona zvakaoma zvino kutyaira muguta.

Kwete kuti ndinoda kutyaira, munoziva, asi kuti ndityaire ndichienda kuchipatara nezvimwe zvakadaro zvaiitika pandakapedzisira kudzoka ikoko, kune bongozozo uye. Ndiri mumamiriro ezvinhu akafanana apo ndinogara kuSpain, Gandia kupinda muValencia imwe neimwe hafu yeawa. Uye vanhu vazhinji [00:09:00] shandisa pano.

Stephen Barrett: Ehe. Handizivi kana iriyo, handizivi kuti chii, kana iri rudzi, ndiyo mamiriro ekunze here? Ndiko kufunga kuti kuchanaya here saka ndichangopinda mumota mangu? Zvichida saka iyo inova tsika, munoziva, yekufamba uchidzika kuchiteshi chechitima. handizive. Asi hongu, ichokwadi tsika yega yega yemotokari.

Pfungwa yekuti munhu wese anofanira kuva nayo. Motokari pane kungove dzimwe mota dziripo kumunhu wese. Zvaizongoita kuti magariro akavakwa mudhorobha, kwete dhorobha iri chete.

Jackie De Burca: Kudzokera kune zvimwe zvezvinhu zvatakataura nezvazvo parunhare rwekutsvagisa. Wataurawo nezveWoodlands yako yekwaunogara handiti?

Stephen Barrett: Marlo Woods padyo. Ndakataura naQuiche nezve. Zvavakanga vachiita ikoko. Saka pane, sango rekare rakanaka padhuze randinomhanya naro nguva nenguva. Ndakanga ndisipo kwemavhiki mashoma uye ndakazoenda mavhiki mashoma apfuura uye disCobhred kuti nzira dziri mairi, dzakanaka, dzakatetepa zvine musoro, asi kwete dzakatetepa zviri nyore.

[00:10:00] Nzira dzinopfuura. Nzira dzakanga dzichangobva kuwedzerwa uye dzakavharwa. Oo, uye mavanga chaiwo. Ndakafonerwa vakatsanangura kuti vanhu veko vainge vanyunyuta nezvazvo. Zvaisatombova nemusoro kwandiri. Chinhu chimwe chakaitwa nemukomana weparunhare kuti chitsvedzerere, akati zvakachipa pane kudzidira, izvo zvakaita kuti ndifunge kuti vakangotarisa mutengo we.

Kutyaira JCB hombe uchipfuura neuko maringe nemutengo wekushandisa mumwe munhu kwemazuva mashoma kuti uwedzere kufunga zvinhu kumashure, izvo zvandakaona zvine chekuita nekuti. Zvekare, raingove iro rudzi rwenguva pfupi yekufunga mutengo pane kufunga nezve izvo chaizvo zvakanaka uye zvinobatsira. Saka ini ndinofunga rakawanda rebasa rangu rakatenderedza lifecycle kabhoni kuongororwa, haisi kabhoni chete, iri kutarisa hupenyu hwezvinhu zvakazara, uye mutengo wakakosha sezvakangoita. [00:11:00] kabhoni munzira dzakawanda kana iwe uri pacoalface yezvinhu izvi.

Saka ingori rudzi rwekuedza kuti vanhu vafunge zvakanyanya. Holistically pamusoro pezvavari kuita uye kwete chete mutengo wazvo ichokwadi mhando yechinangwa chebasa rangu.

Jackie De Burca: Chokwadi. Ikozvino, kune, zvakare, kune vateereri vasiri veIrish kana vanogara muIreland, quiche inoreva masango kana huni, uye isangano.

Iri bhizinesi rehurumende rekutengesa masango, uye. Zvinoenderana neruzivo rwandinarwo pamberi pangu, ivo vanonyatso gadzirisa inenge 7% yenyika yenyika. Saka izvo zvinoita kuti zviwedzere kutyisa zvawabva kutsanangura, Stephen. Ehe,

Stephen Barrett: sekuda kwavo, pandakabvunza kuti chii chaiitika, ndakafonerwa mangwana kuti tikurukure.

Saka ndinofunga kuti vakasununguka kuteerera. Uye kutora zvinhu pabhodhi.

Jackie De Burca: Zvinofadza kunzwa,

Stephen Barrett: pachena.

Jackie De Burca: Pane imwe mhando yemhando yepamusoro yeCobh, ingave yakanaka kana yakaipa munzvimbo ino?

Stephen Barrett: Tinowana zvakawanda zvezvikepe zvekufambisa

Jackie De Burca: hazvina kunaka. Zviri pachena

Stephen Barrett: tinowana zvakawanda zvezvikepe zvekufamba, izvo zvakanaka kune hupfumi hwemunharaunda.

[00:12:00] Yakanakira mhando yetsika dzemuno. Zvinoreva kuti isu tine mimhanzi yakawanda uye yakawanda yemhando yemapato e impromptu anogara kwemaawa maviri pakati peguta uyezve munhu wese. Inonyangarika kudzokera kuchikepe chavo cherwendo. Saka zvinogara zvichivaraidza mune izvozvo. Uh, asi unoshamisika nezvinhu zvikuru izvi zvinouya muzhizha rose, kuti mutengo wezvakatipoteredza ndewei.

Chokwadi. Okay. Iyo ine mativi maviri uye zvakare chinhu chinoshungurudza.

Jackie De Burca: Hongu, zvachose. Saka izvo hazvisi, izvo hazvina kunaka zviri pachena maererano neiyo biodiversity ipapo. Uye hongu, ndinofungidzira kuti ndicho chinhu chavanozotarisa machiri nekuda kwenguva yakadaro yekuchinja mune zvese uye kuwana mhinduro inodzikamisa, munoziva, iyo craic agus ceoil ichiri kukwanisa kuitika pane co kubatsirwa kubva pachena mari yakashandiswa ipapo, asi panguva imwe chete vachitarisira neimwe nzira kana zvimwe, zvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana hazvizove pasi pekumanikidzwa kwakadai kubva kune izvo zvikepe.

Unoziva,

Stephen Barrett: takava nema dolphin zhizha rapfuura, izvo zvakanakisa kuona. Zvinoshamisa sei. Asi zvino zhizha rino, havapo. [00:13:00] Pane hurukuro huru pamusoro pekuredza hove izvozvi. Zvinoita sekuti ma dolphin angave apinda nekuti aifanira kuuya achitsvaga chikafu, handiti? Uye saka irwo rudzi rwekunetsekana kuti havakwanise kuwana zvavanoda mugungwa rakashama.

Saka vari, munoziva, vari kuita sokunge vari kubhuya kwese kwese. Saka, hongu, zvinonetsa. Pane imwe nzira yekuona sevhisi yakangovhara magonhi ayo nekuti havasi kuona zvavaimboona. Saka panofanirwa kuve neongororo yezvatiri kuita pano. Ndinofunga zvose zvisati zvaenda kure, kana zvisati zvaitika.

Jackie De Burca: Ehe. Yakanaka kuona ma dolphin asina kunaka kudaro, icho chingave chikonzero chekuti nei vachionekwa. Zviri pachena. Dai wanga uine mutsara wakananga, Stephen, kune vanogadzira mapolicy emuno, ndezvipi zvingave zvikumbiro zvako zvitatu zvepamusoro kuti zvirambe zviripo. Uye yakabatana Cobh.

Stephen Barrett: Ini ndinofunga chinhu chimwe chinondibaya moyo kubva kuUK kuenda kuIreland maguta akatsvinda uye kusakosheswa kwaro.

Tidy. Vanhu vari mumataundi akachena munyika yose vanoziva nzvimbo yavo zviri nani kupfuura chero ani zvake [00:14:00] zvimwe nokuti vanoziva uye vane hanya nezvangu. Nzvimbo yavo. Saka iwe une mhando yetiweki yevanhu veko vane hunyanzvi uye vanobatikana chaizvo munharaunda yavo. Uye maonero parizvino ndeekuti vari kungoshandiswa, munoziva, vanongochenesa zvinhu.

Asi mukati memapoka iwayo, une marudzi ese ezivo anogona kuburitswa uye kushandiswa zvakare, asingashandiswe. Uye ini ndinoda kuona kwete chete cork, asi kanzuru yese. Kutaura navo zvakanyanya. Vanogona kushandiswa senhume dzenzvimbo yavo sezvavanoita ivo, munoziva, vanochenesa zvinhu nekuzvidira. Uye saka ini ndinofunga mataundi akarongeka akafanana nechinhu chinoshamisa chisipo kune dzimwe nyika chinofanirwa kushandiswa, kunyanya serudzi rwevanhu varipo vakabatikana munharaunda yavo uye vanoda kuita izvo chaizvo.

Pane zvakawanda. Zvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana uye kunetseka kwemamiriro ekunze mukati memapoka avo. Saka kuvadzidzisa kuvabatsira kudzidzisa vamwe, I [00:15:00] vanofunga kuti chingave chimwe chinhu icho kanzuru yese munyika yose yaizowana pundutso huru kubva uye kushandisa senzira yekupindura. Um, saka ndicho chingava chinhu changu chekutanga.

Jackie De Burca: Iro izano rakanakisa.

Taura kumataundi akarongeka. Ehe. Uh, wechipiri

Stephen Barrett: chinhu chingadaro. KuCobh chaiko kwaizove kugadziridza horo yedhorobha. Imba yedhorobha parizvino iri kudonha uye inorenda kuresitorendi yeChinese iyo, yandisingaone chero munhu achipinda kana kubuda. Handisati ndamboona imba yemutaundi ichidonha ndokungosiiwa yakashata kudaro.

Uye ine kugogodza chaiko kune hafu yeguta. Saka isu tine hafu yeguta iro rakabatikana chaizvo. Nekuti zvikepe zvekufamba zvinouya uye kune bhizinesi rakanaka rinoitwa ipapo, wozofamba 150 metres kumabvazuva kweguta, unoona horo yedhorobha ichidonha, uye semhedzisiro, mabhizinesi akaitenderedza ari kunetsekawo nekuti hapana anoendako.

Unoona kusununguka. Saka unongotendeuka wofamba uchidzokera kumagumo edhorobha. Saka kungogadziridza horo yedhorobha kungave nekukanganisa kukuru pahafu ye [00:16:00] dhorobha nemabhizinesi ese akaritenderedza. Saka ndicho chingava chimwe chinhu changu chikuru. Ndinofunga zvakare, ndiko kufunga kwakabatana. Iwe unoita ichi chivakwa chimwe chete, asi zvivakwa zvese zvakaitenderedza zvichabatsira uye ese mabhizinesi akaitenderedza achaita.

Zvamazvirokwazvo. Uye yechitatu ingangove yekusimudzira sevhisi yechitima zvakanyanya. Ihafu yeawa yega yega. Zvichatora maminitsi gumi ega ega mumakore mashoma. Saka iwe unoziva, hapazovi nechikonzero chekusaishandisa. Pane kushoma kusimudzirwa kwayo, kungoita zvekusimbisa kune vanhu kuti iripo.

Zviri nyore kana wasvika kuCork City pane kutsvaga kupaka. Kungopinda mudhorobha. Uye nongedzera zvinhu izvi kuvanhu nekuti ini ndinofunga kazhinji vanhu vanongoita zvavagara vachiita, tsika. Saka kusiya tsika iyoyo,

Jackie De Burca: Ini ndinofunga izvo zvakakoshawo zvakanyanya uye zvakawanikwa mune dzimwe nzvimbo, saka hapana chikonzero isu tisingakwanise kuzviita muIreland.

Stephen Barrett: Zvamazvirokwazvo. Ehe. Saka brilliant. Kazhinji ndiko kuziva chete. Mubasa rangu rehunyanzvi, ndinoedza nekuita kuti vanhu vaite [00:17:00] lifecycle ongororo yezvivakwa kubva pakuona kabhoni. Vanonyanya kunetseka nezvemhedzisiro, asi chaizvo haisi iyo mhedzisiro yakakosha, inzira nekuti maitiro anoita kuti ufunge saka ingori irwo rudzi rwekuziva rwunowanzo furatirwa nekuti vanhu vakabatikana.

Jackie De Burca: Fantastic. Ndinofunga kuti wakatsanangura zvakanaka nezvenzvimbo. Ndine mamwe mazano makuru ayo ndinovimba achawira munzeve dzakanaka kana anogona kuratidzwa munzeve dzakanaka. Pane zvimwe zvaungade kutaura nezvenzvimbo iyi? It

Stephen Barrett: ichiri nzvimbo yakanaka. Hongu, zvachose. Zvakadaro, munoziva, ndichiri kuida.

Nzvimbo inoshamisa uye. Asi kunongova neruzivo rwakawanda zvekuti vanhu vanobhombwa narwo. Zvakaoma kugura.

Jackie De Burca: Fantastic. Saka teerera Stephen, zvave zvichinakidza, chaizvo uye isu tichange tichitaura zvakare, zviri pachena pauri, izvo zvatinoda kudaidza rudzi rwako rwehunyanzvi chikamu.

Saka zviri pachena kuti tinoda kuti vanhu vachengete nzeve dzavo kune izvozvo zvakare. Ndinokutendai zvikuru, Stephen. Ndatenda.