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Zurich kunye Anna Haas Transcript

Nceda uqaphele ukuba oku kuveliswa ngokwamanani kwaye kusenokuba neempazamo ezithile.

UJackie De Burca: [00:00:00] La ngamazwi akhayo. Amazwi Akhayo, i podcast kubantu bokwakha abanezimvo zeendaba kunye ingcali udliwano-ndlebe.

Kodwa ndikwavuyiswa kukuba no-Anna Haas. Ukusuka eNeustark apha nam namhlanje. Kwaye eneneni, u-Anna uza kuba ngomnye weendwendwe zokuqala eziya kuthetha ngesixeko apho azinze khona ngokwezinto ezenzekayo apho okwangoku. Kwaye eso sixeko yiZurich. Anna, ungathanda nje ukuzazisa kuqala?

Enkosi,

Anna Haas: Igama lam ndinguAnna Haas, ndihlala eSwitzerland, kufutshane naseZurich. NdingumJamani. Ndihlala eSwitzerland kumjikelo odlulileyo malunga ne-10 iminyaka kwaye ndenza izifundo zam Jemani kunye nemigodi Njineli ngokwemigodi yorhwebo.

Ubunjineli abusoloko buqhele ukubakho, ke buye bangena kwiprayimari nakwizinto eziziisekondari zokusetyenzwa kwezinto xa ndiyenzile, emva koko ndaqalisa uhambo lwam ekuqhubeni. [00:01:00] oomatshini, ukulungisa ukutya, ukusebenza. Kwishishini iminyaka eliqela ngaphambi kokutshintsha iindlela eziya kwihlabathi lokuqala kunye nendawo kunye nokunye kwishishini lokwakha.

Kwakhona, ndimele ndivume ukuba ndiphuma kwintsapho enomsebenzi wokwakha. Ke utata wam ebekwishishini isithuba esingaphezulu kweminyaka engama-40 kunye nefemu yakhe encinci yobunjineli, kwaye nomama wam usebenzele inkampani enkulu naye. ulwakhiwo ngenene ibe sisihloko setafile yesidlo sangokuhlwa kunye nekhaya endikhulele kulo.

UJackie De Burca: Yeah yeah. Awunako ukumka kuyo. Nantso into eyenzekayo. Ngoku siza kube sisenza isiqendu esigxile kumsebenzi wakho kunye nenkampani yakho, kwaye siza kuza kwinyanga enye nesi siqendu. Ngoko ke wonke umntu kufuneka agcine iindlebe namehlo akhe ekulungele oko. Kodwa okwangoku, makhe sithethe ngeZurich.

I-Zurich iye yamkelwa njengeyona dolophu iphambili ezinzileyo. Ide ibe phezulu kwi-ARC eZinzileyo [00:02:00] Uluhlu lweCities Index ngo-2016 kwaye ngo-2024, lukwindawo yama-24. Kolu luhlu, ngawaphi amanyathelo aphambili athe agcina isidima seZurich ekuzinzeni kwaye aguquke njani ukusukela ngo-2016?

Anna Haas: Ewe, umbuzo omkhulu. Ndothukile ukuva ukuba singene ngo-2016 kwaye siye sabuyela umva kakhulu. Andicingi ukuba ingako ngenxa yento eyenziwe yiZurich okanye engayenzanga, kodwa ngakumbi kufana nendlela ezinye izixeko ezithanda ngayo ukusisukela kuba ngandlela ithile zininzi izinto eziqhubekayo. Ke iZurich eneneni ifana ne umnatha isicwangciso ngo-2040 sihlala sityala imali eninzi kwiziseko zophuhliso zoluntu kwaye sizama ukutshintsha ukuhambahamba.

Kude nesithuthi somntu ngamnye ukuya, okanye njengomntu? Ewe. Ipetroli, umlilo, ezothutho, zibeke ngolo hlobo. Ukuya kwiibhayisekile, ukuhamba kunye nezibonelelo zoluntu ngokwenene kunye [00:03:00] Uninzi lwamanyathelo amancinci aqala ngokumisa izithuthi koohola bebhayisekile ukunqumla idolophu ukuya kwizinto ezinkulu kunye nokukhupha ikharbon diokside.

Amaphulo kunye neenjongo zesixeko ngokwaso. Into ekwanika umdla kakhulu, ikwalugxininiso lozinzo kunye neethenda zoluntu, nto leyo ethe yawutyhala ngenene isihloko.

UJackie De Burca: Ngoku uziva njani xa usebenza eZurich? Ingakumbi njengomntu ohlala kwiindawo ezimbalwa phesheya.

Anna Haas: Lilonke, ndingathi iSwitzerland lilizwe elinokuhlalwa kakhulu, ngathi lisondele kakhulu kwindalo, kwaye likwaprojekthi ukuya kwisixeko saseZurich kakhulu. Into yokuqala kufuneka uthelekise iSwitzerland yonke.

Kukho, ndiyacinga, abantu abancinci kunabaseLondon. Ke iZurich incinci xa ithelekiswa nezixeko ezininzi zaseYurophu. Loo nto yenza umahluko omkhulu malunga nendlela indalo ekufutshane ngayo [00:04:00] kukuba, zifikeleleka kangakanani, zininzi kangakanani izinto ezixineneyo. Inechibi, unombono olungileyo ngeentsuku ezilungileyo. Ndikonwabela kakhulu ukusebenza ngaphakathi

UJackie De Burca: Oko kuvakala kumnandi ngenene. Ngoku, le njongo yamabhongo yokunciphisa ukusetyenziswa kwamandla ukuya kwi-2000 watts ngomntu ngamnye ngo-2050 ibalulekile kum. Ngaba ungacacisa, Anna, malunga nezicwangciso kunye nemigaqo-nkqubo iZurich ephunyezwayo ukuze kuphunyezwe oku kujoliswe kuko?

Anna Haas: Ewe, ewe, ngokupheleleyo. Ke ukuqonda kwam okungundoqo ngokwenene kukuba le yinxalenye yesicwangciso se-net 0 20 40 kwaye ijolise ngokwenene kwinjongo yexesha elide ye-2000 wats njengenxalenye yesicwangciso se-net zero.

I-Zurich yenze uphononongo olukhulu malunga nokuba zeziphi izinto ezinempembelelo kuphawu lweenyawo. Ngokusisiseko, uninzi okanye eyona mpembelelo inkulu yegalelo lomntu ngamnye elichongiwe lilele kushukumiseko kunye neziseko zophuhliso, kodwa i-real estate. [00:05:00] Ke uninzi lwemigaqo-nkqubo esebenzela le njongo ngokwenene iya kwicala.

Ukutshintsha indlela yokuziphatha kwezi zihloko, ngakumbi kwezohambo, into endiyikhankanye ngaphambili, izithuthi zikawonke-wonke, nazo zenza ukuba ukuhamba ngemoto kungabi nomtsalane kangako. Kuninzi ukukhahlela ngaloo ndlela. Kwaye omnye umba we-real estate nawo ujikeleze indlela eyakhiwe kakuhle ngayo, izindlu. Yintoni inkqubo yokufudumeza?

Siwafumana phi amandla, njengama-levers awaziwayo, kodwa. Idityaniswe kakuhle kakhulu neeprojekthi zokwenyani. Kwaye kukho iimali zokuboleka izinto ezininzi apho izinto zivavanywa phambi kokuba zisasazwe kuso sonke isixeko. Mmm-hmm. kwaye eyona nto ibaluleke kakhulu eSwitzerland naseZurich yidemokhrasi ethe ngqo kunye nezinto ezininzi ezifana nokubandakanya abantu kunye nokufumana izigqibo malunga nokuba izinto kufuneka zenziwe kwaye ziqhutywe njani.

[00:06:00] Kodwa oko kukufumana ukuthengwa kwabemi.

UJackie De Burca: Oko kuvakala kunomdla ngokwenene.

Anna Haas: ngaloo nto?

UJackie De Burca: Ewe,

Anna Haas: ke kulo lonke elaseSwitzerland, iZurich yaziwa njenge, ndingathi, idolophu ngokuchasene nemimandla yasemaphandleni. Ingxoxo eqhelekileyo ngokwemiqathango, kulungile, banomdla kangakanani abantu kwimifuno, izidlo ze-vegan?

Zurich kakhulu ukongezelela kolu luhlu. Kukho ukwazi okuninzi malunga nezihloko ze-ikholoji. Kwezopolitiko ngakumbi ngasekhohlo kwaye kufana namaqela aluhlaza kuneminye imimandla. Kwaye nini, ngoko idemokhrasi ngokuthe ngqo isebenza kumanqanaba amaninzi, akunjalo?

Uneevoti ezikumgangatho welizwe, kodwa zihla ziye koomasipala. Kwaye abantu banokucebisa ngamanyathelo. Kwaye ukuba ufumana utyikityo olwaneleyo, ngoko baya kuba phambi kokuvota, Kwaye kunye nenkxaso yabemi, uninzi lwaba luhlaza. [00:07:00] izihloko, ndibabiza nje ngokubanzi, ufumana okuninzi kwezi ngezopolitiko ngokuthengwa kwabantu kakhulu.

UJackie De Burca: Oko kuvakala ngathi kufanele ukuba kwenziwe kuyo yonke indawo ngokwenene,

Anna Haas: Ewe, ndingavuma. Ndingumxhasi omkhulu wedemokhrasi ngqo, ukunyaniseka. Kukwangumbandela wokuthenjwa, njengokuthemba abantu ukuba benze ukhetho olufundisiweyo, ukuthemba abantu ukuba nabo benze ukhetho olufanelekileyo luphela. Kwaye ndiziva ngathi ezopolitiko ngamanye amaxesha ziyasilela ukuba kwangaxeshanye, ilizwe elincinci lilula ukulawula kunelikhulu.

Ke ndicinga ukuba yingxoxo-mpikiswano enzima, kodwa ndingaphinda ndithethe ngakumbi. Idemokhrasi ethe ngqo kunye nokubandakanya abantu.

UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ndicinga ukuba ukuba abantu baziva bebandakanyekile, banembopheleleko yaye bayabona ukuba iminqweno yabo ibekwa phambili yaye iyaqwalaselwa, nto leyo ebaluleke ngokwenene.

Anna Haas: ukuyamkela. Unokukhetha kwaye wayithatha okanye akazange ayenze, kwaye yiloo nto. Ngokuqinisekileyo. Awunayo [00:08:00] ngamanye amaxesha uzive unamandla kakhulu, kodwa ngokwenene ifana nento exhobisayo. Ngokupheleleyo. Abantu nabo. Bahlonipha ukuba abafumani uninzi kuyo, kwaye unako, ukuba awuvumi, ungahlala uzame kwakhona.

Ewe. Ngamanye amaxesha iimvakalelo zoluntu ziyatshintsha ngokwenene ekuhambeni kwexesha. Ngokuqinisekileyo.

UJackie De Burca: Ewe. Hayi, ndicinga ukuba intle kakhulu. Ngoku, iSwitzerland inezinga elincomekayo lokurisayikilishwa ngezibalo malunga ne-94% yodidi oludala kunye ne-81% yezikhongozeli zezilwanyana zasekhaya eziphinda zisetyenziswe. Ingaba iZurich ibenegalelo njani kule mpumelelo yesizwe kwi. Ingaba zikhona iinkqubo zasekuhlaleni eziqhuba la mazinga aphezulu okurisayikilishwa?

Anna Haas: Ngumbuzo onomdla. Ndiyazi ukuba kukho inkqubo ethile eZurich enokuthi iqhubele phambili ukwazi ngakumbi ngamaphulo akhoyo, kwaye abandakanya amaphulo amakhulu entengiso edolophini. Nokuba awuyifundi ngokwenene, uye wayibona kwakhona. Kwaye emva koko ungene [00:09:00] lonke uluntu.

Iimeko okanye ezifana ne-semi-public, njengakuloliwe, ndisiya eZurich yonke imihla. Ngoko xa udlula ngololiwe, naphi na apho uya khona, kukho umgqomo owongezelelekileyo wesilo-qabane. Kwaye ngenene ukusuka ekuqaleni ukuya phambili, ukusuka kwisikolo samabanga aphantsi ukuya phambili, uyafundiswa ngendlela yokuphinda usebenzise izinto. Iqala apho ngenene. Kum, ndisuka kwelinye ilizwe, bekunomdla kakhulu ukubona indlela yokuziphatha.

Uyaqeqeshwa kwaye emva koko ukhutshelwe esidlangalaleni malunga nokurisayikilisha. Kwaye oko kusebenza kakuhle kuba ndicinga ukuba le ndlela, ngumzamo oqhubekayo. Kwaye bayabona xa amaxabiso okuhlaziya ehla kancinci, lixesha lelinye iphulo.

UJackie De Burca: Ke ewe, yenzeka ukusuka kwabancinci ukuya phezulu, into ebaluleke kakhulu eluntwini, akunjalo?

Anna Haas: Ewe,

UJackie De Burca: IZurich njengesixeko yenze imitsi ebalulekileyo ekukhuthazeni indlela yokuphila engenamoto kunye nokuphucula [00:10:00] Ukuhanjiwa kawonke-wonke. Zeziphi iziganeko zakutsha nje ezikhuthaze abahlali ukuba basebenzise iindlela ezizinzileyo zezothutho?

Anna Haas: kwakhona xa ndiqala i-ofisi incoko, ngokwenene ibhayisekile highways ejikeleza idolophu. Ke apho ubeka phambili ukugcwala kwebhayisekile ngaphambili. Bonke abanye. Kwaye loo nto yenza ukuba abantu batshintshe kwaye batshintshe kuba bayabona ukuba banokunqumla isixeko ngokukhawuleza okukhulu ngokukhwela ibhayisekile.

Endaweni yokuba ndihambe ngemoto, andisoze ndihambe ngemoto eZurich. Ndiyacaphuka xa ndikhe ndanyanzeleka kuba kufuneka uchole into. Kodwa ukuzama ukuyiphepha nangayiphi na indlela, njengemirhumo yokupaka iphezulu kakhulu. Ke kukho njengamacala omabini, njengonxulumano olubi kunye nokuziphatha okungafunekiyo kunye ne.

Ukuxhasa yonke enye into. Kwaye mva nje, bekutsha nje, kuye kwakho uloliwe omtsha okanye umetro wedolophu waziswa odibanisa enye indawo yedolophu nabangaphezulu. [00:11:00] iibhasi ngokusisiseko. Kodwa ngololiwe oya esixekweni, loo nto yanceda kakhulu kuba yenza ukuba uthutho lusebenze kwaye ezi projekthi zeziseko zophuhliso zibiza imali eninzi.

Kodwa ndizibona zisoloko zibekwe phambili nazo. Ngokwenene isizathu sokuba isebenze kungenxa yokuba izithuthi zikawonke-wonke zithembeke kakhulu, kwaye kukho nogxininiso oluphezulu koko kuthembeka. Ukuba uyazi ukuba unentlanganiso ngentsimbi yesibhozo kwaye awuqinisekanga ukuba unokulibaziseka okukhulu kwaye kufuneka uthathe oololiwe ababini ngaphambili kwezinye izixeko, ubuya kukhetha enye indlela.

Kodwa eSwitzerland. Kufana nethuba le-98% lokuba ubethe imatshi, kwaye oko kuyanceda ngenene.

UJackie De Burca: Oko kumele ukuba ngamava amangalisayo xa unikwe ukuba uhlala kwiindawo ezingasebenzi kakuhle.

Anna Haas: Masiyishwankathele nangona kunjalo.

UJackie De Burca: Ewe. Ke njengokuthetha nje ngawe, apho ubekwe kwindawo ethile emaphandleni, ngaphandle kweZurich, [00:12:00] kukuthatha ixesha elingakanani ukungena kwisiXeko saseZurich?

Anna Haas: babe. Ndinoqhagamshelo olune ngeyure, ngoko ke rhoqo ngemizuzu eli-15 ukuya edolophini, kwaye ezimbini kuzo zizixinzelelo ezicacileyo kwaye ezimbini ziyacotha kancinane. Ukuphefumla kundithatha imizuzu engama-35 ukuya kwisikhululo, kwaye emva koko kumnyango ngendlu. Ndinemizuzu engama-45 yokusebenza. Oko kusebenza kakuhle kakhulu kuba ndihamba ngeenyawo ukuya kwisikhululo, ndikhwela uloliwe, kwaye emva koko ndihamba ngeenyawo ukuya emsebenzini kwakhona.

Hmm. Ndibona ngathi liphupha kuba akunyanzelekanga ukuba nditshintshe oololiwe. Ndingasebenza nje xa ndihamba. Ngaxeshanye. Makhe sibone, kube njani? Ewe, yinzuzo leyo. Ukusebenzela iNeustark abasebenzi bexesha elizeleyo eSwitzerland bafana nepasi elipheleleyo lokuhamba. Owu, intle loo nto. Umvuzo. Ewe. Kuyinyani, kwakhona, ikhutshiwe ukuba uthathe uloliwe kwaye ungakhethi naluphi na olunye ukhetho.

Kwaye ndine, ndiyacinga, ngasese, andizange ndibenemoto ebomini bam bonke. Wowu. Mna, andikwazi ukuqhuba. Ndizama ukulungisa ubomi bam. [00:13:00] Kwakhona imeko yam yokuhlala ngendlela esebenza ngayo ngokwenene

UJackie De Burca: kunye neminikelo yoluntu. Ke ngoko ukuzibophelela kweZurich, uAnna, ekwandiseni iindawo eziluhlaza kukwabonakala nangomthetho, eqinisekisa ukuba i-30% yomphezulu waseSwitzerland ubandakanya amahlathi kwaye amahlathi.

Ngoku, isixeko sibhalansisa njani uphuhliso lwedolophu ngolu londolozo?

Anna Haas: itonela ebiza kakhulu.

UJackie De Burca: Kulungile.

Anna Haas: Ngokuqinisekileyo yinxalenye yayo. Loo nto ayinabalandeli kuphela kuba ezi projekthi zikwande. Njengokuba bathatha ixesha elininzi kwaye zibiza kakhulu, kodwa bakuba begqibile, ngokuqhelekileyo abantu bayayixabisa ngokwenene.

Nantso eyona nto iphambili, njengakwinyani iindawo zasedolophini. Kwaye njengoko kukhankanyiwe njengababoleki bomqhubi wenqwelomoya apho ungathanda iindawo zokulingwa kohlaza kunye nolu hlobo lwezinto, [00:14:00] engaziyo ukuya kutsho ekugqibeleni ukuba la manyathelo asebenza njani.

UJackie De Burca: Ngoku kwakhona, isixeko sigxile kuhambo oluzinzileyo, kubandakanya ukuhamba ngebhayisikile okubanzi kunye nothungelwano lokuhamba. Zidityaniswa njani ezo zithutho zikawonke-wonke? Ngaba uyazi ukukhuthaza uhambo olungenamthungo?

Anna Haas: Ewe, iprojekthi enye enkulu esaqhubayo ngoku ifana netonela yebhayisekile enkulu kwisikhululo esikhulu ukuze ukwazi ukuba la manqaku aqhagamshelane ngcono omnye komnye.

Kwakhona, kwizikhululo ezikhulu, kukho. Kwimimandla apho emva koko unokunqongophala kwesithuthi sikawonke-wonke, uya kuhlala unokushukumiseka malunga nokhetho lokwabelana ngemoto kwizikhululo onokuthi kwakhona ubhukishe ngokuyinxenye. Ininzi yokupaka ibhayisekile ejikeleze izikhululo.

Ndicinga ukuba le yindlela edityaniswa ngayo kakuhle, kwaye andazi ukuba uyenzile na. Uye ezixekweni okanye uhlala ezixekweni [00:15:00] apho babenezithuthi zikawonke-wonke, kodwa ayizange ivakale ukuze uloliwe kazwelonke ungaqhagamshelani kakuhle Kwaye ndivakalelwa kukuba oko kusonjululwe kakuhle apha.

Ke ngoko, ayintsonkothanga, kodwa icwangciswe ngendlela esebenzayo. Ukucwangcisa kwenza umahluko omkhulu Asikokuba nento okanye ukungabi nanto, kodwa ukuyicingisisa kwenza umahluko omkhulu nako.

UJackie De Burca: Ewe, hayi, ndivuma ngokupheleleyo. Ngokucacileyo yenye yeengxaki kwiintlobo ezininzi zeentlobo.

Ukuba uthanda ukhathalelo lwempilo umzekelo, unezifundo ezisebenza ngokwahlukileyo omnye komnye, kanti umntu ungumntu omnye.

Anna Haas: Uloliwe wesizwe kunye noololiwe bommandla, bonke basebenza ngaphezulu kwe-app enye. Ayikuko ukuba udinga ii -apps ezahlukeneyo zokuthenga amatikiti kubaboneleli benkonzo abohlukeneyo, kwaye bekusemva kwexesha elingaphezulu kweminyaka eli-10 ndihlala kuyo. Barcelona. Ke ngoku inokuba sele itshintshile, kodwa ndiyakhumbula ukuba babene-rank fair kwaye yayiyinkqubo eyahlukileyo efana nabanye oololiwe.

Ewe, kwakunjalo [00:16:00] inzima kakhulu ukuyiqikelela kwaye ukwenza ukuba kube lula kwaye kufikeleleke sele kuluncedo okanye kunjalo. iindawo zokungena ezilula. Yenza kube lula ukuyisebenzisa. Ewe.

UJackie De Burca: Ke, mamelani, bahlali, ekucacayo ukuba kusembindini wayo yonke into, ukubandakanyeka koluntu kudlala indima enkulu, akunjalo, eZurich. imizamo yokuzinza.

Anna, abemi babandakanyeka njani kwimizamo yokudala ngokubambisana? Ndiyazi ukuba sichukumise kancinci kuyo, ngokucacileyo ngentando yesininzi ethe ngqo. Oko kuyayiphucula imeko yesixeko melela kwaye ukuhoywa kwendalo?

Anna Haas: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba ababoleki bomqhubi bangumzekelo omhle woko. Ukujonga into yokuba uvavanya utshintsho lomntu obolekayo ngaphezu konyaka, kwaye unokutshintsha njani ukusetwa kweendlela ukuze kube lula ukuhamba okanye ukuhamba ngebhayisekile kwaye ulahlekise iimoto kwakhona, kwakhona.

Abantu badla ngokubuzwa malunga nokuba yintoni evakalayo okanye apho ungathanda [00:17:00] zisenazo iindlela? Kwaye ke into abayenzayo kukuhlala becela abantu ukuba badibane rhoqo ngenyanga okanye, ithuba loluntu kungekuphela nje ngekhowudi ye-QR ukunika ingxelo ngezinto ezivavanywayo ngoku, kodwa nokuba bahlangane, baxoxe.

Kwaye ke ngokusekwe kwezi zinto zifunyanisiweyo, emva koko benza iikhonsepthi, yintoni omawuyiphumeze ngokwenene kwaye ungayenzi. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba oko kwakha kakhulu ekuhlanganiseni abantu kunye nokuzama ukufumana ingxelo eninzi kangangoko kunokwenzeka.

UJackie De Burca: Ngoku, jonga phambili, Anna, zeziphi iiprojekthi ezizayo okanye imigaqo-nkqubo eZurich ekhoyo ekwenza uchulumancise kakhulu malunga nokuqhubela phambili uzinzo, ukomelela kunye eziphilayo?

Anna Haas: Ngokwenene ziiprojekthi zeCDR kwaye iZurich ngokwenene ikwaxhasa ukususwa kwekharbon diokside kwaye iyigcine ngokusisigxina.

bacinga ngokwenene, kulungile, nokuba senze yonke imilinganiselo esinokuyenza, apho [00:18:00] iya kuba yintsalela ekhutshwayo kwaye kufuneka siyigcine ndaweni ithile. sele belinga kwaye bavavanya ugcino lwejoloji eIceland. Bakwanikezela ngenkxaso-mali oku ukuze kwenzeke ngenxa yokuba uninzi lwezi zinto okwangoku azikho ngokwezoqoqosho, kodwa zifuna ukufumana amava kwaye zibe nembono yokuba zinokujongeka njani kwi-10, iminyaka engama-20.

Ndikhuthaza kakhulu ukuba bayayenza loo nto kuba ndiziva ngathi ukhona ngo-2039. Ucinga ukuba ngoku sisenokukhutshwa okushiyekileyo. Kulungile, masiyityale imithi. Ke ndiyayonwabela kakhulu indlela abayithatha ngayo kwaye bayijonge ngokwenene

UJackie De Burca: Ngoku, ibiyincoko enika umdla ngokwenene kwaye eneneni ndiziva ngathi ndifunde okuninzi nge Zurich. Ndingade ndicinge ngokufudukela apho emva kwayo yonke into oyithethileyo. Kuvakala ngokwenene. Akunjalo nakubi. Mamela ke wenze umsebenzi omhle wokuthetha nge Zurich kwaye ndijonge phambili kwelilandelayo [00:19:00] Incoko yesiqendu esiya kuba nenkampani osebenza nayo, uNoy Stark.

Kwaye eso iya kuba sisiqendu esilandelayo saMazwi Akhayo. Enkosi kakhulu Anna. Enkosi. La ngamazwi akhayo.