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Greening Ireland: Ukusuka kwiPocket Forests ukuya kwiNative Woodlands kunye noCatherine Cleary,S4, E11

Greening Ireland: Ukusuka kwiPocket Forests ukuya kwiNative Woodlands kunye noCatherine Cleary

'Uhlaza Ayalend: Ukusuka epokothweni amahlathi kuMthonyama Woodlands Kunye noCatherine Cleary' luphawu olwenziwe ngu USarah Austin.

Kutshanje sibe nolonwabo lokuthetha noCatherine Cleary, umbhali, intatheli, kunye ne-CEO & Co-umseki wePocket Forests. Ukuba nombhali kunye nokubhala ngokubambisana 4 iincwadi kwaye ube ngumgxeki wokutyela we-Irish Times iminyaka engaphezu kwe-10, uCatherine ngoku ujike ingqalelo yakhe indalo, isenzo semozulu kunye ne-Ireland eluhlaza.

Ngo-2020, uCatherine waqalisa iiprojekthi ezimbini: enye, ukuseka ishishini loluntu lokutyala amahlathi amancinci umphakathi iindawo, kunye nenye, ukutyala eyakhe ihlathi lemveli elinqumla iihektare ezingama-40 zomhlaba.

Pocket Forests lishishini lentlalontle elizisa indalo ezidolophini nakwizixeko ezingqonge iIreland ngokwenza iipokotho zemithi yemveli kunye nezihlahlana phakathi koluntu.

Kulesi siqendu se Amazwi Akhayo podcast, sihlola umsebenzi wePocket Forests kwi uhlaza ezidolophini yaseIreland kunye nendima yabo ekudibaniseni uluntu lwethu nendalo.

Sikwaxoxa ngohambo lukaCatherine lobuqu ekudaleni indawo yakhe yehlathi, i-Forest Midwife documentary, kunye nezimo zengqondo zikaCatherine. abanini-mhlaba malunga nokutyala amahlathi.

UCatherine Cleary Greening Ireland Full Podcast Episode

UCatherine Cleary Umfanekiso weProfayili
Umfanekiso ngoncedo lukaCatherine Cleary

"Ihlathi liyingcambu yabo bonke ubomi; sisibeleko esivuselela imvelo yethu yebhayoloji, esenza nzulu ubukrelekrele bethu kwaye sandise ubuntununtunu njengabantu."

Akira Miyawaki [1]

E-Woodland

Amahlathi eIreland

Nangona i-80% yelizwe yayikhe yagqunywa ngamahlathi, AyalendIndawo yehlathi ngoku iqikelelwa kwi-808,848 ha, okanye i-11.6% yendawo yonke yomhlaba [2]. Kule 11%, iipesenti ezilithoba zomhlaba zityalwe umthi okhula ngokukhawuleza iintlobo njengespruces zemveliso yamaplanga ngokukhawuleza, ngelixa i-2% kuphela ityalwe kwimithi yemveli ye-broadleaf [3]. ISitka spruce lolona didi lwemithi luxhaphakileyo eIreland, lwenza i44.6% yendawo yonke yamahlathi [4].

Ilizwe linomlinganiselo wonyaka wokugawulwa kwamahlathi kwiihektare eziyi-8,000, ngenjongo yokufikelela kwi-18% yamahlathi ngo-2050; nangona kunjalo, ukutyala kuye kwawa ngokuqhubekayo kule njongo [5].

Kwi-11.6%, i-Ireland inelona hlathi liphantsi kunalo naliphi na ilizwe udibano lwaseyurophu, onomthi ogubungela umyinge wama-39% [6, 2].

Amazwe anezona pesenti ziphezulu zamahlathi kwi-EU yiFinland (66%), Swiden (63%), iSlovenia (58%), i-Estonia (54%) kunye neLatvia (53%) [6].

Indawo yaseIreland

Icebo lase-Ireland laMahlathi 2022-2030

Isicwangciso sase-Ireland sezamaHlathi sibonelela ngesakhelo sokwandisa umhlaba wehlathi welizwe phakathi kowama-2022 nowama-2030 ukudala inzuzo ehlala ihleli indawo, uluntu kunye noqoqosho, kwaye ibeka isiseko seNkqubo yezaMahlathi 2023-2027 [7].

IQhinga liyilwe malunga nomgaqo-siseko we "imithi elungileyo kwiindawo ezifanelekileyo ngezizathu ezifanelekileyo ngolawulo oluchanekileyo", ngenjongo yokuvelisa imisebenzi emininzi, amahlathi ahlukeneyo, acingelwa ngabantu, iPlanethi kunye nokuPhumelela [7].

INkqubo yaMahlathi ijolise ekuveliseni amahlathi ahlukeneyo, anemisebenzi emininzi “Qinisa ukuphila koqoqosho loluntu lwasemaphandleni, sikhusele indalo esingqongileyo kwaye ekwaziyo ukumelana nemeko imo iyatshintsha. " [7].

Uhlaza lwasezidolophini eIreland

Nge-64% yabemi base-Ireland abahlala kwimimandla yasezidolophini kwaye le pesenti ikhula ngokuthe ngcembe [8], kubalulekile ukuba iinzame ze-Ireland "eziluhlaza" zingaphelelanga kwimimandla yasemaphandleni. Imimandla yasezidolophini ifumana iimpembelelo ezinkulu zokutshintsha kwemozulu, ezichaphazelayo iziseko kwaye impilo [9].

Umzekelo, imimandla yasezidolophini ifumana i Isiqithi saseDolophuni sobushushu umphumo, obangelwa yizinto ezifana nobuninzi bekhonkrithi kunye nezinye izinto ezifunxa ubushushu kunye nenani elilinganiselweyo lezityalo [10]. Nangona kunjalo, iindawo zasezidolophini nazo zinegalelo eliphambili ubushushu bukazwe lonke, kuba noxanduva lwe-70% yokukhutshwa kweCO2 yehlabathi [9].

Isicatshulwa kudliwano-ndlebe no Nadina Galle

Ukwenziwa koHlaza ezidolophini yinkqubo yokwazisa izityalo kunye izithuba eziluhlaza kwiindawo zasezidolophini ukuyila izixeko ezizinzileyo kunye nomgangatho wobomi ophuculweyo [11]. Green Infrastructure inokusinceda sikuphumeze oku.

Luhlaza Izibonelelo ichazwa yi Komishoni yaseYurophu “njengothungelwano olucwangciswe ngobuchule lwemimandla yendalo kunye nesiqingatha sendalo esinezinye iimpawu zokusingqongileyo, eyilwe yaza yalawulwa ukuzisa uluhlu olubanzi Iinkonzo zendalo, ngeli lixa kusenziwa ulwahlulo lwezityalo nezilwanyana eziphilayo” [12]. uphahla oluhlaza, i-landscaping, imithi yesitalato, iipaki zasezidolophini kunye nezitiya, kunye imigxobhozo [13].

Iziseko ezingundoqo zohlaza kwiidolophu nakwizixeko zethu zinokuphucuka i-ikhosistim iinkonzo, ezifana umgangatho womoya kunye nolawulo lwemozulu, ukuthomalaliswa kweziganeko ezigqithisileyo, kunye nolawulo lokuhamba kwamanzi, ngaloo ndlela kuthomalalisa okanye ukunciphisa imiba efana nesiphumo seUrban Heat Island kunye nezikhukhula [14]. Xa ziyilwe kwaye zigcinwe ngokuchanekileyo, izakhiwo eziluhlaza ezifana nemithi yoluntu kunye neegadi zinokubonelela ngendawo yokuzonwabisa kunye Zasendle [13], ukukhuthaza eziphilayo, ukuphucula imeko kunye nokudibanisa kweendawo zendalo, ukuphucula impilo yengqondo kunye nomzimba, kunye nokuphucula ukubambisana koluntu [14, 12].

Amahlathi ePocket kwi-Ireland eGreener

UCatherine Cleary kunye no-Ashe Conrad-Jones, abaSeki bePocket Forests
UCatherine Cleary kunye no-Ashe Conrad-Jones, abaSeki bePocket Forests. Umfanekiso ngoncedo lwePocket Forests

Pocket Forests lishishini loluntu elizisa indalo kwiidolophu kunye nezixeko ezijikeleze iIreland ngokwenza iipokotho zemithi yemveli kunye namatyholo phakathi koluntu [15]. Eli nyathelo lixhasa izilwanyana zasendle kwaye lisondeza abantu kwindalo.

Umbutho wasekwa kwi Dublin ngo-2020 ngu-Ashe Conrad-Jones kunye noCatherine Cleary. Basebenza noluntu olufana nezikolo, amaqela abahlali, iiklabhu zemidlalo, iidyunivesithi, amashishini, ababoneleli ngezempilo, imibutho yezindlu kunye nabanini beegadi zabucala [16].

Ukusukela ngo-2020, iqela lePocket Forests lixhase uluntu ukuba lutyale ngaphezulu kwekhulu lamahlathi epokotho, ukusuka kubukhulu ukusuka kwitafile yeping-pong ukuya kwisiqingatha senkundla yentenetya, ebandakanya ngokuthe ngqo ngaphezulu kwe-1,500 yabantu bayo yonke iminyaka kunye nokutyala malunga nemithi engama-5,000 [17].

Yintoni ihlathi lePocket?

Ihlathi epokothweni li ukutshatyalaliswa kwamahlathi indlela efanelekileyo kwimimandla yasezidolophini ephuhliswe yingcaphephe yezityalo yaseJapan Akira Miyawaki ebandakanya ukudalwa kwezinto eziphilayo ezahlukeneyo, amahlathi ashinyeneyo kwiindawo ezincinci [18].

Pocket Forest esikolweni
Ngoncedo lwePocket Forests

Iziseko zeNdlela yokuTyalwa kweMiyawaki [18]:

  • Iintlobo zezityalo zeNative – Iintlobo zomthonyama ziqhelaniswe nemozulu yendawo kwaye zinokuxhasa ezinye iintlobo zendalo, ukukhuthaza impilo, izinzile zendalo.
  • Uxinaniso lokuTyalwa – Izityalo zityalwe ngokusondeleleneyo njengoko ziya kufumaneka kwindawo yendalo yamahlathi endalo, zikhuthaza izityalo ukuba zixhasane, ngaloo ndlela zikhokelela ekukhuleni okukhawulezayo.
  • Ukulungiswa komhlaba – Umhlaba utyetyiswe ngezinto eziphilayo ezifana ne-compost ukukhuthaza ukukhula kwezityalo. Umbutho wePocket Forests uyaqesha kwemvume iindlela, ezinciphisa ukuphazamiseka komhlaba [1].
  • Akukho Michiza -Iindlela zendalo zokukhusela izityalo, ezifana nokugalelwa komgquba kunye nokutyalwa kweqabane, zikhethwa kwi-inorganic pesticides kunye nezichumisi, ukukhuthaza i-ecosystem enempilo kunye nokulinganisela.
  • ULondolozo oluNcinci - Ihlathi lifuna ukugcinwa okuncinci kulandela ixesha lokuqala lokukhula le-2-3 iminyaka, emva koko iinkqubo zendalo ze-ecosystem zinokuthatha indawo, zivumela ihlathi ukuba lisebenze ngokuzimeleyo. [18]

Umbutho wePocket Forests usebenzisa ezinye zezi ndlela zobuchule, ngokugxila ekutyaleni imithi, amatyholo kunye nezityalo ezigqunywe emhlabeni eziyinzalelwane yaseIreland, izinto zokuphinda zisetyenziswe, kunye nokuphazamiseka okuncinci kokusingqongileyo [1].

Ukwakha uluntu

Ukuqukwa koluntu kuzo zonke izigaba zocwangciso kunye neenkqubo zolawulo kuthathwa njengento ebalulekileyo ekudaleni iziza zasemaphandleni eziyimpumelelo [13]. Eli lixabiso lendalo kumsebenzi wePocket Forests, obandakanya uluntu kuthotho lweendibano zocweyo, ukusuka ekulungiseni umhlaba ukuya kutyalwa, ukukhathalela nokugcinwa kwehlathi labo elisandula ukusekwa [16].

Inika ithuba lokuzibandakanya kwintshukumo eyakhayo yokusingqongileyo, ukufunda indlela yokukhuthaza indalo kwiigadi zabo ekhaya, nokuthatha ubugosa ekwabelwanayo ngako. iindawo zoluntu [15].

Umsebenzi wombutho wePocket Forests usekwe kula maxabiso alandelayo [15]:

  • Ukukhula koLuntu-ukuvuselela uluntu kunye nomnye kunye nehlabathi lendalo.
  • IMfezeko yokusiNgqongileyo - ukunciphisa ifuthe kwindalo esingqongileyo ngokusetyenziswa kwezityalo eziphilayo, ukuhamba okukhutshiweyo okuphantsi, kunye nokuncinci ukusetyenziswa okukodwa iplastiki.
  • Ukutyala iiSapling zase-Ireland ezikhulele e-Ireland-Ukuxhasa izityalo zendalo kunye nezilwanyana.
  • Ukuphinda Uhlaziye Umhlaba Ngokuphinda Kusetyenziswe Izinto Ezilahlwayo – Ukusebenzisa kwakhona izinto eziphilayo ezifana nekhadibhodi, ukugaya ikofu kunye nenkunkuma yokutya evundisiweyo.

Ukukhulisa iNdawo yeNative Woodland

Ngo-2020, uCatherine nomyeni wakhe bathenga ifama yeehektare ezingama-40 e-County Roscommon, ngenjongo yokukhulisa ihlathi lemveli. Amashumi amabini anesixhenxe eehektare zomhlaba atyalwe nemithi yemveli, kunye neehektare eziseleyo ezili-13 ezishiyekileyo ukuze zibonelele ngolunye uhlobo lwendawo yokuhlala yendalo [19].

Emva kokutyala imithi engama-6,000 18,000 ngesandla, ngoncedo lwentsapho nabahlobo, aba batyali-zingca batyala eminye imithi engama-24,000 19. Imithi engama-XNUMX etyaliweyo iquka iintlobo ngeentlobo zeentlobo zezityalo zase-Irish: i-birch, i-Scots pine, i-hazel, i-willow, i-alder, i-apile ye-crab, kunye ne-sessile kunye ne-oki e-pedunculate, kunye nezicwangciso zokongeza ezinye iintlobo: i-cherry yasendle, i-rowan, i-poplar emnyama, i-aspen, i-whitebeam, i-spindle, i-gulder rose kunye ne-holly [XNUMX].

Isikhokelo sikaCatherine Cleary sokwakha ihlathi [19]:

  1. “Fumana ihlathi elibhalisiweyo kwindawo yakho.
  2. Bacele ukuba batyelele umhlaba ukuze bawuhlole ukuba unokubakho na njengehlathi. Ayikho yonke indawo efanelekileyo kwihlathi. Kwimimandla yendawo yokuhlala ekhethekileyo, oko sele kukho kunokwenza umsebenzi obhetele kwimozulu nakwizinto eziphilayo ezahlukahlukeneyo kunalo naliphi na ihlathi.
  3. Ukuba umhlaba ufanelekile, igosa lehlathi liya kwenza isicelo selayisensi egameni lakho. Uya kutyikitya amaphepha amaninzi.
  4. Ukuba iphepha-mvume linikiwe, unokusebenzisana nomgcini wehlathi ukuze ulime inxalenye okanye yonke ngokwakho, okanye baya kukukhangela baze bakutyale yona. Iindleko zokusekwa kocingo, imithi kunye nokutyala zihlawulwa ngenkxaso-mali evela kwiSebe lezoLimo, uKutya noLwandle. Ungatyala inani leentlobo zehlathi. Ukuba umdla wakho yimozulu kunye neentlobo ngeentlobo zezinto eziphilayo, enye yezona ndlela zingcono kukugquma amaplanga endalo. Ukuba ufuna ukulima umhlaba, tyala i-agroforestry: imithi ekhuselweyo enezithuba ezibanzi eza kuphucula umhlaba, inike indawo yokuhlala izilwanyana zasendle, ikhusi kunye nokutya okunokubakho kwezilwanyana zasefama kunye nokudala ifama entle yezinto eziphilayo.
  5. Bukela kwaye wonwabele izilwanyana zasendle. Ukuba uyakha, baya kuza.

Uxwebhu lwehlathi lokubelekisa

Ihlathi Midwife yi documentary elifutshane cinematic, kulandela uhambo Catherine Cleary ekuguquleni ifama e Co. Roscommon, Ireland, ibe ihlathi kunye nezilwanyana zasendle [20].

Ungandwendwela iwebhusayithi yabo ukuze ufumane isikrini kufutshane nawe: Umbelekisi Wehlathi - Iziganeko

Ukunxulumana kwakhona neNdalo

Kubalulekile ukuba sisebenzele ukubuyisela ihlathi laseIreland ukuze sijongane nemiba efana nokutshintsha kwemozulu kunye ilahleko yendalo. Ngokuqinisekileyo kukho imfuneko yokugawulwa kwamahlathi ngokubanzi kunye nokutshalwa kwakhona kwamahlathi e-Ireland, ukufikelela kwithagethi yethu ye-18% yamahlathi, kunye nokuhlangabezana neenjongo ze-EU Forest Strategy entsha [21]. Nangona kunjalo, indalo akufanele igcinwe kwiindawo ezikude, ezikude. Kufuneka sisebenzele ukudala imvakalelo yoloyiko kunye nokuzinikela okwabelwanayo malunga nendalo, kwaye ukwenza oku, kufuneka sibuyisele indalo kwindawo esihlala kuyo.

Sinokulindela njani ukuphinda sinxulumane nendalo ngaphandle kokuyibona?

Kukho intaphane yeendlela esinokuthi ngazo siphucule indalo yasekhaya emaphandleni nasezidolophini, nokuba kuhlwayela imbewu yeentyatyambo zasendle ekhaya, ukutyala ihlathi emaphandleni, okanye ukwenza ihlathi elilingana netafile yeping pong esikolweni sakho okanye kwindawo osebenza kuyo.

Nangona ezi zenzo zomntu ngamnye zinento ngqo encinci mpe mbelelo kwiingxaki ezinkulu zokusingqongileyo esijongene nazo, zinokuba negalelo kwintshukumo ebanzi ye isenzo sokusingqongileyo ngokudala uthungelwano lweendawo zokuhlala - kwanehlathi elisepokothweni linokubonelela ngekhusi elifuneka kakhulu kunye nokutya kwezilwanyana zasendle zasekuhlaleni - kunye nokubuyisela indalo kwimbono yethu kunye nengqalelo yethu. Ngokwenza oko, sinokufunda ukuyixabisa kwakhona ngenxa yeenkonzo zayo kunye nobuhle bayo, kwaye sinokuphakamisa ulwazi malunga nesidingo sokulondoloza indalo.

Khawufan’ ucinge ukuba mingaphi imithi ebesiya kuba nayo ukuba uluntu ngalunye belutyala ihlathi elineepokotho.

Ukutyala ihlathi elisepokothweni
Umfanekiso ngoncedo lwePocket Forests

IiPodcasts ezinxulumeneyo Hayi Ukuphoswa

Uluhlu

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  2. ISebe lezoLimo, uKutya kunye noLwandle, "Iinyaniso zehlathi kunye neendaba," 15 April 2025. [kwi-intanethi]. Iyafumaneka: https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-agriculture-food-and-the-marine/publications/forestry-facts-and-news/. [Ifikeleleke nge-28 kaMeyi 2025].
  3. IKholeji yaseTrinity eDublin, “I-Ireland ilahlekelwe phantse ngawo onke amahlathi ayo emveli – nantsi indlela yokuwabuyisela umva,” 27 February 2023. [Kwi-Intanethi]. Iyafumaneka: https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/2023/ireland-has-lost-almost-all-of-its-native-forests-heres-how-to -buyisela-zomva/#:~:text=Nangona%20its%20green%20image%2C%20Ireland,Ireland%20was%20covered%20in%20trees.. [Ifikeleleke nge-28 kaMeyi 2025].
  4. ISebe lezoLimo, uKutya kunye noLwandle, "IiNkcukacha zeHlathi: i-Ireland 2024," iSebe lezoLimo, uKutya kunye noLwandle, ngo-2024.
  5. I-RTE, “Amahlathi e-Ireland kunye ne-woodland cover inyuka nge-12%,” 20 March 2024. [Kwi-Intanethi]. Iyafumaneka: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0320/1439005-forestry-planting/. [Ifikeleleke nge-28 kaMeyi 2025].
  6. eurostat, "eurostat," 01 December 2024. [Kwi-intanethi]. Iyafumaneka: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Forests,_forestry_and_logging. [Ifikeleleke nge-28 kaMeyi 2025].
  7. URhulumente wase-Ireland: iSebe lezoLimo, uKutya kunye noLwandle, "Iqhinga lase-Ireland leHlathi: Ukuphunyezwa Isicwangciso,” ngo-2023.
  8. IQela leBhanki yehlabathi, "Abemi basezidolophini (% yabemi bebonke) - Ireland," 2023. [Online]. Iyafumaneka: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS?locations=IE. [Ifikeleleke nge-30 kaMeyi 2025].
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  10. Igqiza loRhulumente kuTshintsho lweMozulu, “Uxwebhu lwenyaniso lweNgingqi – iMimandla yaseDolophini. Ingxelo yeSithandathu yoVavanyo: IQela eliSebenzayo I – Isiseko seNzululwazi yezeNzululwazi.”.
  11. I-Meristem uyilo, "Yintoni i-Urban Greening Factor?," 21 April 2025. [kwi-intanethi]. Ifumaneka: https://www.meristemdesign.co.uk/blog/what-is-urban-greening-factor/#:~:text=It%20involves%20the%20use%20of,quality%2C%20and%20reduce%20water%20pollution.. [Ifikelelwe ngowama-23 kuTshazimpuzi].
  12. IKhomishini yaseYurophu, "iziseko eziluhlaza," i-13 Matshi 2025. [Kwi-intanethi]. Iyafumaneka: https://environment.ec.europa.eu/topics/nature-and-biodiversity/green-infrastructure_en. [Ifikeleleke nge-30 kaMeyi 2025].
  13. UPhando lwamaHlathi, "Iintlobo zeendawo eziluhlaza," i-2018. [kwi-Intanethi]. Iyafumaneka: https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/tools-and-resources/fthr/urban-regeneration-and-greenspace-partnership/types-of-greenspace/. [Ifikeleleke nge-23 ka-Epreli 2025].
  14. T. Semeraro, A. Scarano, R. Buccolieri, A. Santino kunye noE. Aarrevaara, “Ukucwangciswa kwe iNdawo zoHlaza zasezidolophini: Imbono ye-Ecology kwiiNzuzo zoMntu,” Land, no. 10, p. 105, 2021.
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  16. Pocket Forests, "Inkqubo yethu," 26 February 2024. [Online]. Iyafumaneka: https://www.pocketforests.ie/our-process. [Ifikeleleke nge-28 kaMeyi 2025].
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  18. Oliwia, “Miyawaki Pocket Forest – Comprehensive Guide,” 14 Juni 2024. [Online]. Iyafumaneka: https://one-more-tree.org/blog/2024/06/14/miyawaki-pocket-forest-comprehensive-guide/. [Ifikeleleke nge-28 kaMeyi 2025].
  19. C. Cleary, “Ndithenge owona mhlaba unexabiso eliphantsi endiwufumene eIreland. Ngoku ndityala ihlathi elikhulu kuneSt Stephen’s Green,” iThe Irish Times, 23 Septemba 2023.
  20. Umbelekisi Wehlathi, “Ekhaya,” 8 Matshi 2025. [Kwi-Intanethi]. Iyafumaneka: https://www.theforestmidwife.com/. [Ifikeleleke nge-30 kaMeyi 2025].
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Greening Ireland kunye noCatherine Cleary Full Transcript

Nceda uqaphele ukuba oku kuveliswa ngokwamanani kwaye kusenokuba neempazamo ezithile.

[00:00:00] La Ngamazwi Akhayo. Amazwi Akhayo, ipodcast ye ukwakhiwa abantu abanezimvo zeendaba kunye ingcali udliwano-ndlebe.

UJackie De Burca: Molweni kuwe. Lo nguJackie De Burca apha kwiVoices eyakhayo, kwaye namhlanje ndiza kunikela kuSarah kwakhona owenze udliwanondlebe olumangalisayo, iziqendu ezimbalwa emva, kwaye uya kuthetha noCatherine Cleary.

UCatherine ngumfazi okhuthazayo kakhulu. Ungumbhali, intatheli, kunye ne-CEO kunye nomseki wePocket Forests. UCatherine uzimanye nathi namhlanje ukuze sixoxe ngeeprojekthi zakhe zamahlathi kunye nohlaza ezidolophini. Ubhale kwaye wabhala iincwadi ezine kunye nokuba ngumgxeki wokutyela kwi-Irish Times yabo iminyaka engaphezu kwe-10.

Kodwa kwezi ntsuku, uCatherine uye wajika ingqalelo yakhe kwindalo nakwimeko yemozulu. Ngo-2020, waqalisa iiprojekthi ezimbini. Enye yayikukuseka ishishini loluntu [00:01:00] amahlathi amancinci kwiindawo zoluntu, kwaye enye iprojekthi yayikukutyala ihlathi lakhe lemveli elinqumla iihektare ezingama-40 zomhlaba. Ndiza kunikela kuwe ngoku, Sarah.

Wamkelekile kakhulu, Catherine.

USarah Austin: Catherine, wamkelekile kakhulu. Enkosi kakhulu ngokuzimanya nathi. Ngaba ungathanda ukuthatha umzuzwana ukuze uzazise?

UCatherine Cleary: Ewe. Igama lam ndinguCatherine Cleary. Ndingumseki wePocket Forests kunye nombhali kunye nentatheli.

USarah Austin: Ke ndingathanda ukufunda ngakumbi malunga nePocket Forest Organisation.

Ngaba ungasichazela ukuba yintoni le nto kuthi kwaye yintoni ekuphefumlele ukuba uyimise?

UCatherine Cleary: Ewe, saseka iPocket Forests ngokwam kwaye, kunye nomseki u-Ashe Conrad Jones ngo-2020 xa ndicinga ukuba abantu abaninzi babecinga ngendlela eyahlukileyo ngehlabathi ngenxa yento eyenzekileyo nge-COVID. Ngokuqinisekileyo kwindawo yethu yesiXeko saseDublin apho sinendawo encinci eluhlaza, um, oko ngequbuliso, eh, kungxamisekile ngokwenene, um.

Yethu, ndiyacinga, kwaye uAsh wadibana nalo mbono, owavela eJapan ngeminyaka yoo-1970, um, [00:02:00] ebizwa, uh, iye yabizwa izinto ezahlukeneyo ezahlukeneyo, kodwa amahlathi Miyawaki, uh, ebizwa emva botanist, Akira Miyawaki, isazi ngezityalo Japanese ngubani, uh, waqala inkqubo. Kwaye emva koko wayeze eYurophu ngo-2015 kwaye waphinda wabhaptiza amahlathi amancinci.

Ngoko siye saqalisa ukuthetha naye Iingcali ngubani owenze kulo lonke, uh, eYurophu nase-Ireland ngokunjalo. Kukho, kukho iqela elenza into abayibiza ngokuba yiCoill Beag, esebenza noAnka kwinkqubo yezikolo. Ngoko ngokukhawuleza sakuba sifikile, safumanisa. Yayingeyonto inokwenzeka kwaye inika umdla kuphela, kodwa eneneni bekukho ubuchwephesha obuninzi phaya esinokuthi singene kubo.

Ke ngoko sahamba satyala amahlathi ethu okuqala emva kwama-20 ebusika buka-2020 kunye nentwasahlobo ka-2021.

USarah Austin: Kwaye ke mangaphi ala mahlathi epokotho owakhe ukuza kuthi ga ngoku?

UCatherine Cleary: Simalunga ne-125 okwangoku. Ndicinga ukuba ezinye zazo ziya kuba zincinci kakhulu. Uh, ubukhulu bemoto enye Yokupaka indawo. Um. Kwaye ke abanye baya kuba [00:03:00] inkulu.

Elona likhulu lethu, limalunga ne-square metres ezilikhulu, elimalunga nesiqingatha senkundla yentenetya.

USarah Austin: Wowu. Kwaye ke, ndiyathetha, kuthi thina abangaziyo, yintoni, ihlathi lepokotho libandakanya ntoni? Kwahluke njani ukuba mhlawumbi ube negadi eqhelekileyo yasezidolophini okanye ibhedi yeentyatyambo onokuba nayo ekhaya okanye esikolweni?

UCatherine Cleary: Ewe, kunjalo, inika umdla ngokwenene uhlobo lokufumanisa ukuba zeziphi na izithethe zokujonga umhlaba wasezidolophini. Ngoko ngokwesiko senza ingca eninzi, ngoko ke siya kuyibiza ngokuba yindawo eluhlaza. Indawo eluhlaza xa kukho umhlaba obhityileyo kakhulu kwaye nje, umaleko wengca, kwaye ke loo nto idla ngokuchetywa kwi-intshi yobomi bayo ehlotyeni, nangona kungekho mo enokwenzeka.

Kwaye ke kunye ukutyalwa kwemithi, bakholisa ukutyalwa imithi yodwa egqagqene kakhulu. Ngezo ndawo ezinengca phakathi kwazo, kukho izizathu ezahlukahlukeneyo ezinikwe oku, um, imigca yokubona, uh, amagunya athile asekuhlaleni kwaye, kwaye abantu abanjalo, abanye abavuyi kakhulu kwingcamango yokungakwazi ukubona okwenzekayo kuyo yonke indawo kuyo yonke indawo, yonke indawo yoluntu.

Ngoko into esiyenzayo ibonakala yahluke kakhulu [00:04:00] ukuba. Sityala imithi emincinane kakhulu kunesiqhelo. Zizabhokhwe ezineminyaka emi-2 kuphela, ngoko ke zincinci kakhulu. Ityalwe ngexesha lasebusika, um, kwaye ityalwe ngokusondeleyo ngakumbi kunye malunga nesithathu kwi-square meter, um, enokuba xinene kakhulu xa kuthelekiswa nokwakheka komhlaba kwemveli ezixekweni.

Kodwa umphumo kukuba benza le microclimate ngokukhawuleza. Umhlaba uyatshintsha, eh, kwaye senza kancinane loo msebenzi phambi kokuba sityala nantoni na. Leyo yinxalenye yomahluko wePocket Forest ndiyacinga. Senza iworkshop yokulungisa umhlaba kunye noluntu oluzama ukulinganisa iimeko. Umgangatho wehlathi ngokukhuhla ingca kunye nokongeza izinto ezenziwe ngamaplanga ngaphambi kokuba imithi ityalwe.

Size ke sibuye xa sele ehluma ngeli xesha lonyaka, ngoMeyi, ngoJuni, kwaye, eh, sibonise abantu ukuba yintoni na abayilimileyo kuba bayakwazi ukuyifanisa ngoku nokumila kwegqabi kunye. Uyazi, bavuyise ngaloo mbono yokuba eli lihlathi abanalo ngoku. Banokuyijonga, banokuyisebenzisa njengendawo yokuhlangana yangaphandle okanye igumbi lokufundela.

Um, kwaye, kwaye yindawo nje eyonwabisayo ukuba. Kwaye [00:05:00] kananjalo ubutyebi bezinambuzane kunye nobomi beentaka kunye nobomi bomhlaba, ukuba oko kuya kudalwa ngenxa yemigudu yabo. Ngoko ke isekelwe ekuhlaleni kakhulu. Kwakhona, oko akuqhelekanga kwimbonakalo-mhlaba yasezidolophini. Ngumsebenzi lowo. Oko kudla ngokwenziwa ngabakhi. Umh, ndisandula ukwenza okuthile kwindawo yam kwaye, uyazi, bavale indawo ethile, bangenise oomatshini, uyazi, amadoda akhusela indlebe ayawenza umsebenzi.

Umh, kuncinci kakhulu ukudibana kwabantu basekhaya abahlala kuloo ndawo. Ngelixa ndicinga ukuba abantu basekhaya abahlala kuloo ndawo bancedisa ngokwenene ukudala indawo eluhlaza, kwaye kunokwenzeka ukuba bayijonge kwaye bayonwabele.

USarah Austin: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Okukhona uzibandakanya nayo, kokukhona ukhathalelwa ngakumbi, kokukhona uyithanda ngakumbi.

UCatherine Cleary: yeah

USarah Austin: kwaye ndiqinisekile, njengoko uninzi lwethu luzibandakanye nokulima egadini ngexesha lobhubhani, ndicinga ukuba yenza abantu banxibelelana nendalo, badityaniswe ngakumbi nokutya ababekukhula, kunye nezityalo ezibangqongileyo. Uyawuqonda umzamo ongena kuwo kwaye ndicinga ukuba abantu banako, ukuhlawula [00:06:00] ingqalelo kuloo nto kwaye ngethemba ukusebenzisa uvimba ngokunjalo.

UCatherine Cleary: Ewe, oko, elo gama lokuhoya. Thina, sithe, uh, senze ingxoxo yephaneli kule veki ngokwenene, kwaye elo gama lokuhoywa yayiligama lokuthatha ekhaya. Uyazi, xa sinikela ingqalelo kwizinto, ngu, eh, uMary Oliver, imbongi, unomgca omangalisayo "Ukuqwalaselwa kukuqala kokuzinikela". Ngoko xa sinikela ingqalelo kwizinto ekusenokwenzeka ukuba asizange siziphawule ngaphambili, xa siye sazane nohlobo olunye lomthi size silubone kuyo yonke indawo.

Kukho into enomdla kakhulu eyenzekayo kuzo zombini, indalo ngokwayo kunye nendlela abantu abaya kujonga ngayo, kodwa neyethu, yethu Impilo yengqondo. Ndicinga ukuba sinjalo, sijonge into enkulu nangaphandle kwethu, kodwa iqhagamshelwe kuthi kwaye isempilweni kakhulu. Uyazi, xa sinikezela kwiimeko ezifanelekileyo kuncinci kakhulu ekufuneka sikwenzile ukuze siphumelele, kwaye ndicinga ukuba kuyathuthuzela kakhulu.

Ngokuqinisekileyo ngexesha le-COVID, ndicinga ukuba abantu bafumene ukutsalwa kuloo nto. Babengasiqondi isizathu, kodwa bona, babefuna ukuya kwindalo kwaye, babone into esebenzayo kwaye, kwaye yayingawohloki njengoko yayivakala. [00:07:00]

USarah Austin: Mmm. Kwaye ke ngubani onokuthi usebenze naye ubukhulu becala? Ngaba inokuba nezikolo ezininzi okanye eminye imibutho?

UCatherine Cleary: Ewe, izikolo, ziyinxalenye enkulu kwaye kuhle ukusebenza nesikolo kuba zezazo, ngokwesiqhelo zezazo indawo ze emva koko zibe nako nakwixesha elizayo.

Um, uyazi, siza kube siphuhlisa zonke iintlobo zeengcinga zokuba basebenzise ihlathi, nokuba kukusebenzisa izinto ezivela ehlathini ukuzizisa ekwenzeni umsebenzi wobugcisa okanye ukwenza amaplanga, um, iinxalenye zesikolo kunye nokufunda. Ngoko ke izikolo zimnandi. Siye sasebenza namashishini anokuba nendawo yawo okanye aza kuxhasa ngemali isikolo okanye ihlathi lasekuhlaleni.

Um, amaqela okuhlala nawo amnandi. Umh, sisebenza kunye. Iqela lamagunya asekuhlaleni ngokunjalo. Iprojekthi enomdla kwidolophu yaseMonaghan kulo nyaka apho siqhuba iiprojekthi ezisibhozo ezahlukeneyo kwiindawo ezincinci eziluhlaza. Um, zonke zinxulunyaniswa noluntu kunye nabahlali. Ke, uyazi, kuya kubakho uhlobo olukhulu lokunxibelelanisa amabhongo eentlobo ngeentlobo zeedolophu ezicocekileyo. [00:08:00] nale ngcamango yokuzisa ezi, le mithi yemveli kunye nezihlahlana zibe.

Kwiindawo ezihlala abantu abaninzi. Uyazi, ngokucacileyo ezi azinakuze zibekho, um, ngokwaneleyo ukufumana amahlathi ethu agqunywe ukuya kuthi ga kwi-18%, oko kukuthi, amabhongo esizwe okwangoku ukuya kuthi ga kwi-18% ngo-2050. Simalunga ne-11% ukuza kuthi ga ngoku. Ke oko kuthetha ukutyala iihektare ezingama-8,000 zemithi yemithi minyaka le, uyazi, emaphandleni aseIreland ubukhulu becala.

Umh, ngoku asisadibani naloo nto. Okujoliswe kuko kunye nehlathi lePocket ngokucacileyo zincinci, zincinci, um. Iiprojekthi. Kodwa into abayenzayo kukuzisa, um, ukubuyela kwelo gama, ingqalelo, bazisa ezi zityalo kwimboniselo yamehlo abantu, apho bahlala khona, apho bachitha khona ixesha labo, uyazi, apho banokuzibona khona yonke imihla kwaye babone utshintsho abadlula kulo, ukutyhubela amaxesha onyaka.

Kuba uninzi lwezinto ezakwenziwa, uyazi, iprojekthi yokuphinda yenziwe ngokutsha, izakwenziwa kwiindawo ezikude kakhulu kumhlaba wabucala apho abantu bangakwaziyo ukudibana nayo. Ngoko [00:09:00] imalunga nokuzisa. Kuloo projekthi yohlaziyo lwamahlathi, esiyenzayo kwinqanaba kwilizwe liphela, ngethemba kwiindawo apho abantu bachitha ixesha labo elininzi, ezidolophini nezixeko.

USarah Austin: Ngalinye kula mahlathi ipokotho linempembelelo encinane kakhulu, kodwa, kodwa ke ngokuzisa ingqalelo kuyo, oko ngethemba ukwenza abanye abantu abaselula abaya kuba nomdla ngakumbi ukuthatha inyathelo lemozulu kwixesha elizayo, ngubani na ke ukuya phambili. Ukubandakanyeka ngakumbi kwisenzo sokusingqongileyo kwaye mhlawumbi kuya kutyala imithi emininzi, ngethemba, kwaye kunokukhokelela kwisenzo esikhulu.

UCatherine Cleary: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ndicinga ukuba kukho uphando oluhle kakhulu olubonisa ukuba xa abantu beqala ukukhathalela indalo, uyazi, zabo, zonke iingcinga zabo zokusingqongileyo ziyatshintsha zibe. Uyazi, ukukhathalela, um, ukugcina iplanethi ngokuhlala kwaye uthatha amanyathelo afanelekileyo kokusingqongileyo kwaye uyenze njengoko, njengoluntu luzisa onke la mandla alungileyo.

Uyazi, ayinguwe weirdo wedwa phaya othe wa hugger umthi kwaye uyazi, unguye. [00:10:00] eneneni kwisizwe sabantu abakhathalayo ngale nto kwaye ngubani, um. Kunye okanye ukuzisa amandla afunekayo kuyo. Um, uyazi, kuba ngamaxesha ahlukeneyo abantu banokuba matasa okanye bangakwazi ukubandakanyeka.

Kwaye ewe, uvuyo lokuyenza lubonisa abantu isenzo esiqinisekileyo esiqinisekileyo. I-Concrete mhlawumbi ligama elingalunganga, kodwa uyazi, kwisenzo somhlaba, um, ukuba bangathatha. Kwigadi yabo. Kwaye uyazi, ukuba banegadi encinci kuphela abanokuyenza, banokukwenza oku ngexesha elithile okanye kwindawo yabo.

Kwaye ke loo nto idibanisa iimbono malunga nendlela esinokuxhasa ngayo umfanekiso omkhulu kunye namafama kunye nabanini-mhlaba.

USarah Austin: Lonto indikhumbuza ke ukuba lento uyithathe wayisa kwinqanaba elilandelayo wena. Umh, ukutyala owakho amaplanga. Ngaba ungasixelela kancinci ngeli hlathi ulityayo kwi-County Roscommon?

UCatherine Cleary: Ewe.

Mna nomyeni wam uLiam sathenga umhlaba, eRoscommon. Umh, yayiyiyo. Owona mhlaba ubiza imali eninzi esasinokuwufumana ngelo xesha. Kwaye, uh, kwiiplanga ezintathu ezahlukeneyo. Akukho konke kwinto enye [00:11:00] indawo. Yiyo, yohlulwe malunga neemayile ezinesiqingatha phakathi kwazo zonke iindawo ezintathu. Umh, kwaye ngumhlaba weefama osecaleni. Lalidliwe, eh, ngumnini walo wokuqala nangabalimi abangabamelwane ababeqeshe umhlaba.

Kakhulu, singxamile, kunzima kakhulu ukulima. Um, uyazi, uhlobo lwengeniso encinci. Umndilili wengeniso oyibona kumafama eRoscommon luhlobo lobungqina bobunzima balo mhlaba. Ngoko yayigqibelele kakuhle, sasivakalelwa kukuba, um, ukuseka ihlathi lemveli. Ke thina, sasebenza noForester, uBernard Kiernan kulo mmandla, kwaye walikhupha ilayisenisi, uh, kwisebe emva kwexeshana.

Ndicinga ukuba kuthathe phantse unyaka ukuba kwenzeke oko. Ke iye yacotha kakhulu, kodwa ityalwe ngoku iminyaka emibini kwaye, um. Satyala ama-20, malunga nemithi engama-26,000 emhlabeni, xa ndisithi, yayiliqela leengcaphephe kakhulu, abalimi abanobuchule obumangalisayo abeza kwaye. [00:12:00] ityalwe 18.

Ke ngalo mzuzu besibacingela ngeli xesha lokulima lidlulileyo, nje ukunyathela phantsi ingca kwaye singxamele ukubajikeleza ukuzama ukufumana ukukhanya okungakumbi kubo. Kwaye ngoku ngeli xesha, uninzi lwabo lungaphezulu kwaloo ngca kunye nomgca wokukhawuleza. Ke balungile ngenene, bayasuka nje ngoku kwaye iye iba, endaweni yokuba ibe libala leengxakana, xa ujonga ngaphaya kwayo, unokubona ukuba lithafa lemithi okanye amasimi aliqela emithi.

Umh, kumnandi kakhulu kwaye nezilwanyana zasendle zikhona. Iyamangalisa. Besijonge iinwele zibaleka zijikeleza ngaphakathi, ngaphakathi, zijikeleza, zijikeleze ingca kunye namatyholo kwaye ubomi beentaka buyamangalisa ngeli xesha lonyaka. Yinto nje, kuninzi nje apho.

USarah Austin: Kuvakala ngathi yindawo encinci yokuphumla.

UCatherine Cleary: Injalo ngokwenene. Ewe, kunjalo ngokwenene.

USarah Austin: Kwaye yintoni na, hlobo luni lomsebenzi ekufuneka ulwenzile, ukugcina oku, ukukhuthaza, imithi ukuba ikhule?

UCatherine Cleary: Okwangoku, eh, kufuneka siqinisekise ukuba le, imithi emincinci ifumana ukukhanya okungaphezulu kancinci. Ke kwakhona, ukunyathela kancinci. Um, abanye, abanye, uh, [00:13:00] Abanini baya kutshiza, uh, izityalo ezikhuphisanayo, kodwa asizukwenza oko kuba ngokucacileyo asifuni kutyhefa umhlaba. Kwaye kukho ubungqina bokuba xa usenza oko, ufumana umonakalo omningi wemvundla kwimithi yakho kuba kukho indawo yebhere ejikeleze imithi.

Kwaye eneneni ingca ayikhuphisani ngokwenene nemithi, kunjalo. Ukubonelela ngenye into encinci, ye, um, indawo yokuhlala kunye nokukhusela kuyo. Mmm-hmm. Ke ngalo mzuzu, kuyinyani nje, ukuqinisekisa ukuba, um, akukho, akukho zilwanyana ezihlaselayo ezingenayo. Uh, ke ngethamsanqa besingenayo, besinesityalo esinye serhododendron, esajongwa ngaso kwangoko.

Umh, kufuneka siyibeke esweni loo nto. Kufuneka sigcine iinyawo zethu emhlabeni ngokwenene, kwaye, kwaye sijonge okwenzekayo. Qinisekisa ukuba akukho nyamakazi ifikayo yenze umonakalo omkhulu, mh, kuba asibiyelwanga ngamaxhama. Kodwa ewe, kwiminyaka emibini okanye emithathu ezayo. Lulo hlobo lolondolozo, ukugcina iintlobo ezihlaselayo, ixhama kunye nerhododendron ikakhulu ngaphandle kwehlathi.

Kwaye ke malunga nonyaka wesihlanu okanye wesithandathu, sinokuqalisa ukwenza iindlela ezithile ezantsi emithini, mhlawumbi sicuthe eminye imithi ukuya, [00:14:00] Ukubonelela ngemiphetho kunye nokucocwa kunye nezinto ezinjalo kuba zinokuthi, kwakhona, ziphucule intlobo-ntlobo zezinto eziphilayo, uyazi, uhlobo olunye lwecanopy evaliweyo. Ihlathi likhulu, kodwa. Okukhona imiphetho ngakumbi kwaye izithuba ngakumbi kwaye iindawo ezimanzi ngakumbi kunye nazo zonke iintlobo zeendawo zokuhlala ezahlukeneyo onazo kuloo nto, ngcono.

Kwaye ke sineehektare ezimalunga ne-13 ezingatyalwanga. Ke kwakhona, kufuneka siqinisekise ukuba naziphi na izilwanyana zasendle apho, indlwane esemhlabeni, iintaka okanye iiwader, uyazi, zikhuselwe kwaye, kwaye zikwazi ukonwabela indawo yazo yokuhlala. Ke kukho uhlobo lokuyiyeka yodwa, kodwa jonga nje iqonga, ndiyacinga.

USarah Austin: Kwaye ke kutsha nje ube nomboniso wembali, umbelekisi wehlathi, yonke le projekthi yehlathi. Kwaye ke iphonononga ntoni le documentary kwaye yayiyintoni injongo?

UCatherine Cleary: Ifilimu yenziwe ngumenzi wefilimu obizwa ngokuba nguBeta Begar, kwaye yena, um, wafaka isicelo kwiSebe lezoLimo phantsi kokukhuthaza kwabo amahlathi, um, inkqubo yenkxaso-mali yevidiyo, okanye ifilimu.[00:15:00]

Kwaye ibinomdla ngenene, uhlobo, ndicinga ukuba sidwelisa ikhathalogu okanye okanye sibhalwe into ebesizama ukuyenza. Wafota nathi kulo nyaka uphelileyo ngoFebruwari xa sasinendibano yabahlobo kunye nabamelwane abasuka kwindawo engqonge le ndawo beze kuncedisa ngokutyala imithi. Kwaye uye wadlan' indlebe namafama asekuhlaleni awayenomdla kakhulu malunga ne.

Iimvakalelo malunga nokuza kwamahlathi emhlabeni kunye nelahleko eyilahleko ekulimeni kwaye, kunye nohlobo lwentlungu ephantsi kwaloo nto, ukuba, uyazi, xa ubeka umhlaba wakho, ukuba ungumlimi, ukuba ubeka umhlaba wakho emithini, oko kuthetha ukuphela kwexesha lakho lokulima. Um. Kwaye abantu bayanyamalala emhlabeni ukuba imithi ithe yafika emhlabeni.

Ke, uyazi, bekumnandi ukufumana loo mazwi kwifilimu kunye nelizwi lam, uyazi, njengoko, njengoSean, omnye wabamelwane bethu ebhekisa kum intombazana yedolophu isihla izokwenza oku. Mmm-hmm. Umh, kuba into yokugqibela esiyifunayo kukuba le ibe yinto enje. Uvalelwe, uyazi, [00:16:00] iingcali zokusingqongileyo, nabani na ongumnini womhlaba, ukuba banako, uyazi, ukuba banokutyala i-akilere yawo emithini, umhlaba ofanelekileyo.

Ngoku, akunjalo. Uyazi, umhlaba webhogi kunye, kunye neendawo ezinjalo. Imigxobhozo isoloko isenza umsebenzi ongcono ngakumbi kwimozulu kunye nezityalo nezilwanyana ezohlukeneyo kunokuba ibinokwenza ukuba ityalwe ngemithi. Ke, uyazi, kuya kufuneka uyazi ukuba yintoni otyala kuyo. Kodwa zininzi iindlela zokubeka abanini-mhlaba kunye nabalimi ukubeka imithi emhlabeni.

Ke umboniso wawumalunga, um, uphonononga wethu, ngokweemvakalelo zethu. Ukuncamathisela kumhlaba kunye neemvakalelo zethu malunga nemithi kunye neBeta yayinento, into evakala kum njengombono ophambeneyo kancinane ekuqaleni, kodwa kusetyenzwe kakuhle ukunika ilizwi komnye wemithi ethangweni efama, engumthi omdala wothuthu.

Um, ngoko ke wayalela uKerry Ní Dochartaigh, oyimbongi emangalisayo. Umbongo okwilizwi lalo mthi, obizwa ngokuba nguMthi woMama, kwaye oko kufakwe kuyo yonke i-documentary kwaye ivakaliswe [00:17:00] ngumlingisi omangalisayo uMary McAvoy, otyale ihlathi lakhe kwifama yosapho lwakhe. Um, ngoko ke yongezwa uhlobo lomaleko omlingo kuyo.

Ndiyeva. Umh, kwiscreen ngasinye ndihlala ndichukunyiswa yindlela abaphulaphuli abanomdla ngayo. Um, uyazi, abantu bayalithanda eli bali kwaye, um. Mna, ndimangaliswe yindlela abantu abanomdla ngayo kwaye kwenzeka ntoni kwaye, kwaye uyazi, libali eliguqukayo kuba sithathe kuphela malunga, ndicinga ukuba yayiziinyanga ezintandathu okanye ezisibhozo zokufota.

Ngoko ke, niyazi ukuba sisuka ebusika, sise ehlotyeni. Xa yonke into yayiluhlaza kwaye, kwaye ngequbuliso yonke iluhlaza kwaye intle, asizange sibambe ixesha lasebusika, uyazi, apho kubanda kakhulu kunye neqabaka. Ke ngethemba kuya kubakho uhlobo oluthile, um, inguqulo ende, okanye, kwaye ndiyazi ukuba iBeta inethemba lokusebenza kunye, uh, amafama kunye nabanini bamahlathi ukwenza uthotho lweefilimu malunga nomsebenzi wabo, um, kuba abantu abaninzi banokuyibona le nto, um, hayi ngaphezulu kukaSean. [00:18:00] URonayne omangalisayo wembali, um, kunye noKathleen Harris.

Ibizwa ngokuba yi-Birdsong apho, uyazi, irekhoda zonke iingoma zeentaka kwilizwe jikelele. Ndicinga ukuba ibali lomntu okanye abantu okanye uluntu lwabantu kunye nendalo kunye nendlela abasebenza ngayo ukuzama ukunceda indalo kuba, uyazi, yeyona inamandla. Umh, yiyo, ngamandla azakuwenza umsebenzi omninzi.

Uyazi, wena, uthatha inyathelo elinye elilungileyo kwaye indalo ithatha i-10. Ke, uyazi, ezo ndidi zamabali ndicinga kakhulu, um. Kuyakhuthaza, ngethemba ebantwini, kodwa kuyathuthuzela ukwazi ukuba kukho abantu abenza lo msebenzi. Umh, kuba ixesha elininzi asiyiva ngalo nto.

USarah Austin: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ungaziva ukuba uwedwa kakhulu kwizenzo zakho ngamanye amaxesha, kwaye kumnandi ukwazi ukuba kukho uluntu ngaphandle.

UCatherine Cleary: Ngokuqinisekileyo.

USarah Austin: Kwaye ngaba ufumene nayiphi na ingxelo evela kumafama kunye nabanini-mhlaba, umzekelo, kwi-documentary okanye nje ubuso ngobuso kwiprojekthi?

UCatherine Cleary: Ewe, ndiyathetha,

the, wethu, sibe nomlimi kubaphulaphuli eGalway, um, ngoLwesibini xa thina [00:19:00] iye yavavanywa kwiDyunivesithi yaseGalway apho sineprojekthi yokulinga emangalisayo, exhaswe ngemali yiLives to Good Foundation.

Umh, saba nokutyhilwa komqondiso wethu apho, kwaye emva koko senza, ukuboniswa kwe-documentary kwaye saba nomlimi kubaphulaphuli ongumlimi ophilayo. Kwaye wayecela abantu ukuba bajonge ngokwenene, uyazi, utye ntoni namhlanje? Ngaba utye ukutya okuvela kwifama yaseIreland? Uyazi, ngaba ukulungele ukuhlawula ixabiso laloo nto kumlimi kunye nendima esiyidlalayo njengabathengi, kwindlela osetyenziswa ngayo umhlaba wethu kunye nokuba usetyenziselwa ntoni na.

Um, saba nelungu lephaneli, uGqr. Karen Morrisey, i-economist yendalo, kodwa wakhulela efama kwaye. Unayo, ngoko ke unokuqonda okukhulu ngaloo nkcubeko kunye nendlela esebenza ngayo. Um, kodwa unokuqonda okukhulu ngesidingo sokwenza inyama encinci yenkomo kunye nobisi eIreland kwaye wenze okungakumbi. ezolimo ezizinzileyo, nokuba kunjalo, uyazi, ukulima imifuno kunye nezityalo esiya kuzifuna ukuba thina, uyazi, [00:20:00] ngandlel’ ithile okanye ngenye indlela azikwazi ukubafumana bevela phesheya kuba uninzi lwezo zityalo ziphuma ngaphandle ngoku.

Um, kunye neempembelelo zokusingqongileyo zokufuya kakhulu. Ke lo mfama wayethetha kakhulu malunga, uyazi, ukulima okulungileyo kunye nohlobo, ukuba ufumana inyama yakho kwi-ethics, ukuhlaziya okanye umfama wase-Irish, ke, yinto enhle kakhulu ukuba ukwazi ukutya. Awuyi kukwazi ukuyitya yonke imihla kuba iya kubiza kakhulu, kwaye loo nto inokuba yinto elungileyo kwimpilo yakho nakwimpilo yeplanethi.

Ke, ewe, iingxoxo ezinomdla kwaye eneneni ubonisa omnye wamafama ukuba ngubani. Ukucacisa kakhulu kwifilimu malunga nosizi kunye nentlungu eyenzekayo xa, xa iifama zityalwa, um, phezulu kwimithi, ngoku ujonge ukutyala umhlaba wakhe kunye nemithi yendalo, ndicinga ukuba iphefumlelwe kwakhona ngokubona kunye nokuba yinxalenye yento esiyenzileyo.

Uh, ukuze ubone ukuba ezi ncoko, xa zisenzeka ubuso ngobuso, zininzi kangakanani na. Ivulelwe wonke umntu [00:21:00] isikhundla. Uyazi, akukho nto imbi njengokungena kumqolo noMfama kwi-intanethi. Ndandidla ngokuyenza. Andisayi kuphinda ndiyenze kuba yindawo enetyhefu ngokwenene, um, apho into ekunokuvunyelwana ngayo ubuso ngobuso ivele ijike ibe ngumqolo omkhulu.

Um. Kwaye ukubiza amagama kunye nombono wokuba sikwimfazwe ethile iyaphambana kuba sisonke kule nto, sikwinqanawa enye apha. Mmm-hmm. Kwaye, uyazi, sonke sixhomekeke kumhlaba wethu. Sonke sixhomekeke kumanzi acocekileyo, kumoya ococekileyo. Umh, kwaye zininzi izinto ezintle ngokwenene ezinokwenziwa kweli lizwe lihle esinethamsanqa lokuhlala kulo, ukulenza libe sempilweni kuye wonke umntu.

Ke kufuneka sithethe nje ngamazwi aphakamileyo oshishino, anjalo. Uxhotyiswe kakuhle kakhulu. Umh, wena, uyazi, banayo yonke imali kwaye banokubhatala bonke ababalisi. Um, kwaye kufuneka sibalise amabali angcono kunye namabali ayinyaniso, umh, kuba uninzi lwezinto esizixelelwayo malunga nobume benkqubo yethu yezolimo aziyonyani.

USarah Austin: [00:22:00] Kubaluleke kakhulu ukuba sibe nezi ngxoxo zivulekileyo apho sinelizwi lomntu wonke ingakumbi elo, lamafama akhathalele umhlaba omninzi kwilizwe liphela, um, kunye nokubonelela ngendawo apho abo banomdla wokuthatha inyathelo ngendalo, kuba imozulu banendawo apho banokuva khona ilizwi labo okanye apho nokuba kunjalo, abazi ukuba baqale ngaphi na, apho banokuqala khona.

Yiba naloo ngxoxo kwaye ufumanise ukuba ngawaphi amanyathelo amancinci esinokuwathatha sonke kwaye sibonise abanye ukuba akuyomfuneko ukuba, njengoko ukhankanywe ngaphambili ngoku, i-hugger yomthi ukuba ufuna ukuthatha inyathelo elincinane.

UCatherine Cleary: Ewe. Yinto eninzi malunga noluvo lwakho lwesazisi kwaye ndibona uJackie efakwe nje, um, ikhonkco lokuthetha imithi kwi, uh, eAmsterdam.

Kufuneka ndiyijonge loo nto. Enkosi Jackie. Um, ewe, yile isazisi sika, um. Uyazi, kukho ukuzingca okukhulu phakathi kwabalimi abancinci, kwaye ndiyivile kuthethwa ngayo, oh, ngeendlela ezahlukeneyo malunga, uyazi, ukuba baphumelele kangakanani, ukuba mkhulu kangakanani umhlambi wabo, ukuba basebenza nzima kangakanani ngendlela efanayo, uyazi, ukuba sonke sikulolu hlobo. [00:23:00] lokuzixakekisa ngokuxakeka nokubalulekileyo kwaye, nokuqhubeka nokukhula nokukhula.

Kwaye ukuba ungatshintsha ukuba ube nebhongo elikhulu kweli nani leentlobo zeentaka endinazo kwifama yam. Nali ke inani lemithi yemveli ekukhulisayo. Kufuneka eze nemvakalelo yokuzingca. Kwaye loo mvakalelo yokuzingca kufuneka ibe yinto eqhelekileyo kuba imali ikhona. Uyazi, kunengeniso engaphezulu ukutyala amaplanga endalo ngoku kwiifama ezininzi ezisemdeni kunye nomsebenzi omncinci kunoko, ukuzama ukulima umhlambi wenyama yenkomo.

Umh, kodwa awukabinawo abalimi abayenzayo. Uh, kukho enye into apho ekufuneka ihambe. Um. Yiloo nto efanele ukunikelwa ingqalelo kuyo? Uyazi, kwaye okwangoku, iingcebiso eziphambili kukuba kufuneka ukhulise iikhalori ozivelisayo kwifama yakho kuba, uyazi, yileyo, yeyona nto iphumeleleyo ukuyenza.

Uyazi, ibuyela emva ku-2015 xa, xa, um. [00:24:00] Isabelo sobisi sanyuswa kwaye amafama ayekhuthazwe ngokwenene ziibhanki, ngabezopolitiko, ngumntu wonke ukuba alime. Izilwanyana ezininzi kakhulu kunokuba zazinomhlaba okanye izixhobo zokwenza. Umh, kwaye bazifake ematyaleni amakhulu. Banobomi bomsebenzi obuxakeke kakhulu ngoku.

Umh, kwaye le mihlambi ikhupha ubisi. Kodwa uyazi, sizibonile iziphumo kumgangatho wamanzi. Siye sabona iziphumo kwi impilo Yengqondo njengokuba. Ndicinga ukuba kukho ingxoxo enkulu enokubakho kunye namafama malunga nempilo yabo yengqondo kunye nokuba zeziphi iingenelo abanokuzifumana ngokuthatha inyathelo lokubuya umva kulimo lwemveliso, ukulima ngokunzulu, kunye nokujonga ukuba izizukulwana zabo zangaphambili zithini na.

Kwaye njengoko ndisitsho, ukuba nebhongo ngenye into ngaphandle kobukhulu bomhlambi.

USarah Austin: Enkosi kakhulu, Catherine. Ibinjalo, ndicinga ukuba wenza umsebenzi omninzi, hayi ngokwentshukumo nje, kodwa ngokwemfundo ngokunjalo malunga nento esinokuyenza sonke, amancinci, amanyathelo amancinci esinokuwathatha, kunye nenqanaba lenkqubo enkulu. [00:25:00] utshintsho ngokunjalo.

UCatherine Cleary: Ewe, kwaye sinethemba lokuba siya kukwazi ukwabelana, uyazi, into esiyifundileyo malunga nokwenza amahlathi epokotho. Kwiminyaka emihlanu edlulileyo, uyazi, beka ngakumbi uhlobo lwezixhobo kwiwebhusayithi yethu kamva kulo nyaka apho abantu banokwenza oku ngokwabo kwaye siya, uyazi, siya kubanika onke amanyathelo, um, kuba siqaphela ukuba zininzi kakhulu esinokuthi sizenze kwaye siphantse sibhukishwe ngokupheleleyo kulo nyaka.

Um. Ke, uyazi, indlela yokuyikhulisa ukusuka apha ukuya, ukunika abantu izakhono kunye nezixhobo, qiniseka ukuba banokufikelela kwimithi yemveli ekhule e-Ireland esemgangathweni kunye nomxube ofanelekileyo, kwindawo yabo. Kwaye, kwaye ke ngethemba singafumana oku kwenzeka kwiindawo ezininzi, ezininzi.

USarah Austin: Uqaqambileyo. Kwaye abantu banokukufumana phi ngakumbi kwaye banxibelelane nawe epokothweni Amahlathi?

UCatherine Cleary: Ngoko ke amahlathi epokotho, onke igama elinye, okt. Um, kwaye kukho ulwazi apho i-imeyile onokuthi uqhagamshelane nathi okanye, um, ewe, nge, ngewebhusayithi mhlawumbi yeyona ilungileyo. Ukuba useGalway kunye neDyunivesithi yaseGalway, kukho, ungajonga iprojekthi yethu yokulinga apho. Isemva kwesakhiwo se-ILAS kwi [00:26:00] kwikhampasi esemantla kwaye kukho ikhowudi ye-QR ethandekayo apho singathanda ukuba wenze uphando kwaye usazise.

Ucinga ntoni ngayo. Uziva njani malunga nendawo, kuba inxalenye ye, ndicinga ukuba inxalenye yento esingathanda ukuyenza ngoku kukufumana uphando olongezelelweyo. Ulwazi oluvela ebantwini malunga nokuba yintoni na, into abavakalelwa ngayo malunga nesithuba. Siyazi ukuba siziva njani ngayo kwaye sityebe kangakanani na. Sivakalelwa kukuba, uyazi, ubutyebi obuya kubongeza kwimimandla yasezidolophini, kodwa, eh, singathanda ngokwenene impendulo evela kubantu abatyelele ezo ndawo malunga nokuba bacinga ntoni ngazo.

Basenokundwendwela ihabhu yedijithali eThomas Street. Ngaphandle ikofu yesikhongozeli, sinehlathi elincinane kwi-Skip kunye. Hlala kwaye ube nekofu yakho apho kwaye wenze ihlathi elincinci lokuhlambela kwindawo enkulu kakhulu yedolophu yesixeko. Umh, kwaye siqhuba iindibano zocweyo kwinyanga ezayo kwindawo yeDijithali. Ziya kukhululeka kubantu, kodwa kuya kufuneka bazibhukishe kwi-intanethi.

Kwaye sinokucela umnikelo omncinci ngenxa yokuba xa abantu bebhukisha iindibano zocweyo zasimahla, ngamanye amaxesha bangezi. Uh, ke, ewe, ewe, ke bayakuqala ngoJuni. Kuza kubakho iindibano zocweyo ngoLwesithathu rhoqo ngooLwezithathu, [00:27:00] ixesha lesidlo sasemini ngoJuni, uh, kwindawo yedijithali. Ngoko singathanda ukuba abantu beze kuloo nto.

Kwaye kwakhona banokubhukisha kwiwebhusayithi okanye basilandele ku-Instagram apho sikuPocketForests igama elinye.

USarah Austin: Iqaqambile. Enkosi kakhulu, Catherine. Ndiyonwabele kakhulu incoko yethu namhlanje.

UCatherine Cleary: Ndiyayonwabela. Enkosi, Sarah.

UJackie De Burca: Enkosi kakhulu, uCatherine noSarah. Olo yayiludliwano-ndlebe oluhle kakhulu yaye kukho izinto eziye zavela ebudeni bencoko yenu esiza kuziquka kwiphepha locwangciso.

Oko kuhambelana, umzekelo, uh, UGqr. Nadina Galle, ngubani umntu owasixelela ekuqaleni ngemithi ethethayo e-Amsterdam. Inomdla kakhulu kwaye, kwaye idityaniswe kakhulu nomsebenzi kaCatherine kunye nento eye yavela ngexesha lodliwanondlebe. Ke siza, uyazi. Yifake kwiphepha lesiqendu, ukuze ukwazi ukuyiphonononga loo nto, kuba inxibelelene kakhulu.

Senze uthotho noGqr. Nadina Holla ngo-2024. Luchungechunge oluncinci kwaye uyakhuthaza kakhulu. [00:28:00] Kwakhona, ngaphandle koko, kukho esinye isiqendu endifuna ukusikhankanya esibotshelelwe kakhulu kwindlela impilo kunye nendalo. Zidibene kwaye oko kunye noJane Finley. Zonke ezi ziya kuba kwiphepha lesiqendu ukuze ukwazi ukugrumba nzulu kwezi zihloko.

Kwaye qiniseka ukuba ujonge ulwazi oluxabisekileyo kwiphepha lesiqendu onokulifumana kwipodcast app yakho okanye kwiwebhusayithi yethu. Kuyakha. voices.com kwaye kukho ulwazi olukhoyo malunga noko uCatherine wakukhankanyayo malunga neendibano zocweyo eziza kuba yinyanga elandelayo, kodwa ngenxa yokuba sirekhoda ngokucacileyo kwangaphambili, ziyinyani kule nyanga kaJuni kwaye ziya kuba nomdla ngokwenene.

Ngoko ungaphoswa. Qiniseka ukuba ujonga lonke ulwazi lukaCatherine kwaye ujonge iwebhusayithi yakhe kwaye ucinge ngokuya kwiindibano zocweyo. Enkosi kakhulu ngokumamela.

La ngamazwi akhayo.

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