S4, E3: Liyintoni Ilifa Lakho? Ukuphonononga utshintsho lwehlabathi kunye no-Sangeeta Waldron

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[00:00:09] UJackie De Burca: NdinguJackie De Burca kwaye namhlanje ndinesiqendu esinomdla kakhulu noSangeeta Waldron, othetha nathi ngencwadi yakhe yesithathu, “Liyakuba yintoni Ilifa Lakho? Iingxoxo nabaTshintsho kwiMidlalo yeHlabathi”.

Kwaye uSangeeta uthethe nabenzi botshintsho abangama-36. Ukhetho olunomdla ngokwenene kunye nolwahlukileyo ngokumangalisayo lwabantu abavela kwihlabathi liphela.

Amanye amagama asenokuba aqhelekile kwabanye benu. Kodwa enye iya kuba phantse ngokuqinisekileyo. Lo nguJulian Lennon, ongunyana kaJohn Lennon, kodwa kakhulu ligcisa kunye nomlweli olwela ilungelo lakhe.

Ndiyawuncoma kakhulu umsebenzi kaSangeeta.

Uye wabandakanyeka ekwakheni i-brand ye-Constructive Voices, esibulela kakhulu ngayo.

Sangeeta, kuluvuyo ukuncokola nawe namhlanje.

[00:01:01] Sangeeta Waldron: Oh, nam, Jackie. Kwaye enkosi ngentshayelelo entle kangaka kwaye kumnandi ukuba sibuyele kwincoko nawe.

[00:01:08] UJackie De Burca: Enkosi kakhulu, Sangeeta. Ke ungathanda ukucacisa ngakumbi kancinci ngomsebenzi wakho, uyazi, apho uza kuthi ga ngoku, okokuqala, malunga nomsebenzi wakho wePR kwaye kunjalo, emva koko malunga nomsebenzi wakho. iincwadi.

[00:01:19] Sangeeta Waldron: Ngokuqinisekileyo.

Ukungavakali okanye ukulalisa nabani na, kodwa ndineminyaka engaphezu kwama-30 kunxibelelwano kunye nomsebenzi wobudlelwane boluntu. Ndiqale umsebenzi wam uninzi, iinyanga ezininzi ezidlulileyo ndibhala iintetho kunye neenkcazo zeNkulumbuso yangaphambili, iNkulumbuso yase-UK kunye nabaPhathiswa. Ndisebenzele ezinye zeempawu ezimangalisayo, iibrendi zehlabathi. Ndasebenzela uSodolophu wokuqala waseLondon, uKen Livingstone. Kwaye ngo-2009, ndaseka i-arhente yam ye-PR, i-Serendipity. PR kunye neMedia. I-Serendipity yinto endikholelwa kakhulu kuyo. Kwaye ngo-2009, xa ndandiseka i-arhente, ihlabathi lalihamba phantsi koqoqosho lwehlabathi. Kwaye ndacinga, ukuba ndinokusinda kule nto, ngoko ndingasinda nantoni na. Kwaye ngokukhawuleza ukuya phambili 2024. Ndiselapha kwaye ndiyaphumelela. Kwaye ngelo xesha, ukusukela ngo-2009, ndibhale iincwadi ezintathu. Incwadi yam yokuqala yayingobudlelwane boluntu kwaye ibizwa ngokuba yiNcwadi yoLwazi lwePR. Kwaye yincwadi eya kwiiyunivesithi zehlabathi kwaye isaqhuba kakuhle. Kwaye yona. Owu, Thixo, uyazi, andikhumbuli namaxesha ngoku. Kodwa kwi-20, ke, ngexesha lobhubhane okanye. Ewe, ewe, ngexesha lobhubhane, ndapapasha incwadi yam yesibini, ethi Corporate Uxanduva lweNtlalontle ayiboBudlelwane boLuntu.

Kwaye yincwadi yonke malunga nayo ukumitha eluhlaza.

Kwaye loo ncwadi yayifike ngexesha elifanelekileyo. Kwaye kufanelekile, kwaye isabalulekile kwiingxoxo zemini malunga nokuba yintoni eyenziwa ziinkampani kunye nendlela eziziphatha ngayo iinkampani. Kwaye loo ncwadi yadweliswa kuluhlu lweembasa zencwadi yeShishini ngo-2022 kwaye ngoku ingenile 2025, ndiza kube ndipapasha incwadi yam yesithathu nge-30 kaJanuwari. Kwaye loo ncwadi kukuqhubekeka kwencoko endandinayo kwincwadi yam yesibini. Kwaye lo ujonge kwi ngxaki yemozulu. Kwaye le ncwadi ibizwa ngokuba liza kuba yintoni ilifa lakho? Iincoko zehlabathi kunye nabenzi botshintsho. Kwaye ndiye ndadliwano-ndlebe neenkokheli zengcinga ezingama-36, iinkokeli zoshishino, iinkokeli zabahlali abavela kwihlabathi liphela. NdinoJulian Lennon encwadini, ndinesazinzulu seNASA, umphandi ojonge kwiminenga ye-humpback. Ke le ncwadi inemixholo eyahlukeneyo kwaye okubalulekileyo, kukho into ayithathayo umfundi ekupheleni kwesahluko ngasinye ngethemba lokudala umkhwa weplanethi kunye nengqondo. Ngoko ke ndim ngokufutshane, Jackie.

[00:04:30] UJackie De Burca: Ke, Sangeeta, ndicinga ukuba yayiyintshayelelo entle leyo kwaye ndiyixabise kakhulu. Inika umbono olungileyo wehlabathi ngomsebenzi wakho kunye neencwadi. Kwaye masingene ngqo ngoku kwincwadi yakho entsha kwaye nceda usixelele, liyakuba yintoni ilifa lakho? Iingxoxo nabatshintshi bemidlalo yehlabathi malunga nengxaki yemozulu. Yintoni eyakukhuthaza ukuba uyibhale kwasekuqaleni, Sangeeta?

[00:04:55] Sangeeta Waldron: Ngumbuzo olungileyo ngenene, Jackie. Kwaye kufuneka ndibuyele malunga nonyaka onesiqingatha odlulileyo kwaye umpapashi wam uMartin wathi kum, Sangeeta, masiye kwisidlo sasemini. Wathi kum, Ndicinga ukuba ukulungele ukubhala incwadi yakho yesithathu. Ndaza ndathi, uyazi yintoni, Martin? Ndicinga ukuba ndilungile? Ndicinga ukuba ndilungile kuba bendicinga ngezimvo kwaye bendicinga ngemeko yemozulu kwaye kuqhubeka ntoni kwaye singenza njani umahluko sonke. Yaqala apho ke ingcamango. Kwaye ndandifuna ngokwenene. Ndandifuna ukubhala incwadi apho sonke sinokususa okuthile kuyo. Ke ayithethi nje ngengxaki yemozulu, kodwa singenza ntoni sonke, nokuba ilula kangakanani, nokuba incinci kangakanani, ukuba singenza umahluko. Kuba ndiyakholelwa ukuba sonke singenza umahluko. Kwaye ndiza kuthetha enye into. Abantu basoloko besithi, yintoni? Ndingenza ntoni? Umntu omnye angenza ntoni? Nguwuphi umahluko onokwenziwa ngumntu onjengam? Kwaye ndihlala ndithetha oku, ukuba, uyazi, isenzo esinye sinokudala i-ripple kwaye ezo ziqhushumbisi zihlangane kwaye kunye sinokudala i-tsunami. Kwaye loo tsunami inokuba yimpembelelo entle kwaye ibe yipro planethi. Ngoko leyo yayiyingcinga yokwenene yencwadi.

[00:06:20] UJackie De Burca: Ndicinga ukuba, ngokobuqu, iyamangalisa into yokuba iphume kuloo ncoko. Kodwa ngokucacileyo umshicileli wakho ukwazi kakuhle kwaye wayekulungele, uyazi, ukuba ixesha lalilungile. Kwaye oku kwakusele kuyinto ekhulayo, uyazi, entliziyweni yakho kunye nomphefumlo wakho kunye nengqondo yakho njalo njalo. Yonke ingqikelelo yelifa, iSangeeta, isembindini wencwadi, ngokucacileyo. Luthini uluvo lwakho ngelifa? Ithetha ntoni kuwe? Uyichaza njani le ngcamango kuwe?

[00:06:49] USangeeta Waldron: Owu, ngumbuzo olungileyo ngenene, Jackie. Kwaye ndifuna ukuthetha into. Uthethe into nje xa ubungenisa lo mbuzo, kwaye uchanekile ngokupheleleyo.

Yayimalunga nemvakalelo, le. Olu nxibelelwano lomphefumlo. Bendinayo le ngcinga, kwaye ndiyakholelwa ukuba yonke incwadi yam inamandla ayo kunye nexesha layo. So bendifuna nje ukuthetha lonto.

Kwaye ilifa, kum ligama elikhulu kakhulu. Yaye xa ndandidlan’ indlebe nabantu abasencwadini, abanye abantu baziva bonganyelwe ligama ngokwalo.

Kodwa kum, ndicinga ukuba kukushiya nje iplanethi ngcono kancinci kunokuba ndiyifumene. Kwaye hayi ukuyishiya ingcono, uyazi, kwiminyaka emihlanu ezayo, elishumi, kodwa. Kwikhulu leminyaka ezayo, iminyaka engama-200 ezayo, kuba yile ndlela esifanele sicinge ngayo.

Kwaye umzekelo omhle wale nto, uyazi, xa usiya kwi-prime, xa abanye abantu besiya kwi-Primark okanye xa abanye abantu beya kwezinye zezi venkile zefashoni ezikhawulezayo kwaye baya kuthenga phezulu kwaye baya kucinga, kulungile. , asisayifuni laa top kwakhona, kwaye baya kuyibeka kwindawo yokulahla inkunkuma.

Ngamaxesha athile. Ngokungaguquguqukiyo, ezo ziphezulu zinokuthatha iminyaka eli-100 ukudilika ngenxa yokuba zinexabiso eliphantsi kwaye zenziwe ngeentsinga zeplastiki. Kwaye ngoko ucinga ukuba kunjalo. Elo iya kuba lilifa lakho kule minyaka ilikhulu izayo? Andifuni ukuba ilifa lam libe njalo. Ndifuna ibe yinto enentsingiselo ngakumbi.

Ndifuna ukuba yenze umahluko kumntu kwixesha elizayo ngomoya abawuphefumlayo, kunye. Kwaye ndiyathemba ukuba basazokwazi ukungena indalo esinayo ngoku. Ngoko, ewe, yinto enzulu kum.

[00:08:52] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba icace gca. Ukususela kumsebenzi wakho ukuza kuthi ga ngoku kwaye ngokucacileyo incwadi entsha esiyixoxayo namhlanje, uziva njani ukuba yamkelwe ngabathathi-nxaxheba obudlan' indlebe nabo? Ngaba ibiyinto eninzi kakhulu kwabanye babo ekuqaleni? Ngaba yayiyinto eyayisongamela kubo, okanye ngaba abanye babo babelungile ngayo, yonke ingcamango yelifa?

[00:09:14] Sangeeta Waldron: Ewe, inomdla ngokwenene kuba ndibuza wonke umntu umbuzo ofanayo, othi, yintoni, iya, ufuna ukuba ilifa lakho libe yintoni? Ndababuza ukuba ekupheleni kwayo yonke Incoko.

Kwaye abanye abantu, amazwi athile aye, owu, andazi, ngumbuzo omkhulu ngokwenene lowo, kwaye ayenjalo. Ndaziva ndonganyelwe yiyo. Abanye abantu babengekho kuba beziva ukuba sele besendleleni yokwenza ilifa kwaye bafuna ukuqhubeka nomsebenzi wabo.

Kodwa into ebinika umdla iphantse ifikelele wonke umntu, kwanabo bathi, owu, ngumbuzo omkhulu kangaka, okanye abo bathi, uyazi, sifuna ukuqhubeka. Le yindlela esiyibona ngayo, wonke umntu wayengazicingeli kakhulu okanye, uyazi, wayeziva emncinci kakhulu kwigalelo lakhe, ndifumanise ukuba kukho ukuthobeka okukhulu kwiimpendulo zabo. Kwaye ndiyifumene loo nto kakhulu, andazi, ngokumangalisayo, ixhobisa kakhulu. Uyazi, kwakungekho ego kule nto. Ngokwenene yayimalunga nokwenza ngcono nokwenza kakuhle.

[00:10:29] UJackie De Burca: Enjani yona impendulo emnandi. Ke ngandlel 'ithile, ifika kum ukuba kunjalo, abantu abaziva, oh, ke, andingoJulian Lennon okanye, uyazi, andizukubabiza ngamagama bonke abanye abantu, kodwa andingomntu. kanjalo. Liliphi ithuba endinalo ukuba abantu abanjalo baziva ngathi ligama elikhulu kangaka. Kodwa eneneni, into oyithethileyo phaya, Sangeeta, injalo. Iyasuka kwi-ego kwaye izama nje ukudlala indima yakho, nokuba ingakanani na, ukuba incinci ngenene. Kodwa yinxalenye yomfanekiso opheleleyo, akunjalo?

[00:10:57] Sangeeta Waldron: Ngokuqinisekileyo, ewe. Yayiyiyo ke loo mvakalelo. Nam ndaziva ndiyinxalenye yento, uyazi, ngokusebenzisa kwabo. Ukuthobeka kwabo. Ndaziva ndiyinxalenye yaloo nto. Ndandiyinxalenye yento enkulu kunam.

Kwakunzima. Yayiyimvakalelo exhobisayo. Kwaye emva kwencoko nganye ndaziva ndinethemba kwaye wonke umntu wayenethemba kwaye loo nto kunye nenkolelo yokuba mhlawumbi asinako ukutshintsha izinto, kodwa sinokuzifumana izisombululo kwiingxaki zethu.

[00:11:32] UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ndicinga ukuba zininzi izisombululo ezilungileyo phaya ezihlengahlengiswa kwiindawo ezahlukeneyo okwangoku, kunye nezinto ezininzi ezinokwenzeka kunye nezinto ezinokwenzeka. Ngoku, ngokucacileyo usebenze ngamazwi akhayo kwi-RPR kwiintsuku zethu zokuqala, ke usazi ngcono kunabanye abantu ebebebuzwa imibuzo. Sangeeta, ukuba usebenzisa ingqikelelo yelifa kubantu abasebenza kwindawo eyakhiweyo, ungayenza njani? Okanye ubuya kuyitshintsha?

[00:11:59] Sangeeta Waldron: Ndicinga ukuba kuhlala kukho indawo yokuphucula. Oko kuya kulo naliphi na icandelo kwaye sinokuhlala siziphucula. Kodwa ndicinga ngokwenene kumntu wonke. Ukusebenza kulwakhiwo, ukusuka phezulu ukuya emazantsi emacaleni, abantu benza zonke izinto zolawulo, oko kubaluleke kakhulu kulwakhiwo ukuba wonke umntu acinge nje, singayenza njani ngcono iplanethi? Uyazi, singasebenzisa ngakumbi izinto ezizinzileyo? Ngaba singacinga ngekhonkco lethu lokubonelela? Ngaba singacinga malunga nalapho sakhayo kunye nendlela esakha ngayo ngaphakathi kwesi sithuba sengingqi. Kwaye enyanisweni, encwadini, ndithetha nomntu osebenza kwicandelo lokwakha kwaye uthetha ngazo zonke izinto ezimangalisayo ezenzekayo ekusenokwenzeka ukuba thina njengabantu esingazaziyo ngokwaneleyo okanye esingazixabisiyo, ezifana noSangeeta.

[00:12:59] UJackie De Burca: Ke ndinomdla wokuntywila kuloo nto ngenxa yabaphulaphuli bethu.

[00:13:03] Sangeeta Waldron: Ewe. Ke izinto ezinje ngoku, kukho i-app, ndiyakholwa, apho abantu banokuthi, xa bakha into ethile, indawo abanokuyilandela ukuze babone ukuba yintoni na. Imibhalo yenyawo yekhabhoni yelo planga okanye ezo zitena okanye nantoni na eyazo. Ukuba ezo zixhobo zivela. Zininzi iingcinga ezibekwayo ngoku Zakhiwo yesakhiwo, nokuba sisikolo, indawo yeevenkile, indawo yezindlu. Kukho iingcinga ezininzi eziya kuloo nto. Kwaye kwakhona kubakhi, abantu abasebenza kwisiza, kukho ingcamango eninzi kwindlela abasondela ngayo kweso sakhiwo. Ngoko ke ndicinga ukuba oko umdla ngokwenene kuba thina. Andizange ndiyixabise ngokwaneleyo loo nto. Kwaye nokuba yindawo enkulu yomculo okanye ibala lezemidlalo, ezo izakhiwo zakhiwa ngenjongo nenjongo kuluntu kunye nendalo.

[00:14:09] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo kukho utshintsho oluninzi oloyikekayo. Kwakhona, uninzi lweeapps ezahlukeneyo kunye nazo zonke iintlobo zamanyathelo kunye nezinye iinkampani eziphambili zisebenza ngengqondo yendalo ngoku. Ngoko kukho isixa esikhulu sotshintsho oluqhubekayo ngoku. Andazi ukuba uyakhumbula okanye awukhumbuli kwenye yeephaneli obuzihlalele kwi-Constructive Voices kwiintsuku zangaphambili, inene eligama linguNeil Maxwell. Kwaye ndingathanda ukumkhankanya ngokuthe ngqo kuba ungumzekelo othandekayo womntu owayenenkampani ephumelele kakhulu kwindawo eyakhiweyo eyenza i-fit outs, chap esekelwe Liverpool. Yaye wayesenza imali eninzi de wathabatha uhambo oluya eArctic. Uye wabuya umntu otshintshileyo wabeka iChanging Streams. Andazi noba uyamkhumbula na.

[00:15:01] Sangeeta Waldron: Ewe, ndiyayenza.

[00:15:02] UJackie De Burca: Ke ungumzekelo omangalisayo womntu ofana naye, othathelwe nyani into eyenzekayo. Kwaye yena, uyazi, wayesenza imali eninzi ngenkampani yakhe. Ndicinga ukuba wayithengisa inkampani yakhe ekugqibeleni kwaye waseka iChanging Streams. Kwaye phaya ekuqaleni kwalo nyaka, baye baphehlelela izinto eziTshintsho, ezithi ngegama, ewe, ziya kukunika umbono wento yokuba, ewe, bajonge ukwakha. Bakha isibonelelo sabantu abangaphakathi kwendawo eyakhelweyo ukufumana imathiriyeli engcono yokusingqongileyo kunye nendalo. Zininzi ke izinto ezenzekayo, Sangeeta, eqinisekileyo. Ngokucacileyo bonke abantu othethe nabo kule ncwadi, naninamazwi awahlukeneyo angama-36. Babengabantu abahlukeneyo, ngokucacileyo, abantu abanomdla, kunjalo. Uhambe njani ngokukhetha abo bantu kwaye hlobo luni lwemixholo obunethemba lokuyiphonononga ngamabali abo?

[00:15:55] USangeeta Waldron: Ewe, bendicace gca kwimixholo yencwadi. Ke bendifuna ukugubungela imixholo ebanzi evela kwisayensi kuba kulapho yonke into iqala khona kule ncoko yemozulu.

Ubunkokeli, ubunkokheli behlabathi, ishishini, ilizwe leshishini, ukutya, kuba sonke sinxulumene noko. Sinokuthenga okanye, uyazi, sibeka ukutya etafileni okanye sinjalo, abanye bethu bangamafama, abavelisi. Ngoko ndandifuna ukuhlola ukutya.

Imidiya idlala indima enkulu kunye noluntu, kunjalo, kwaye emva koko umculo kunye nobugcisa kuba loo nto iyinxalenye yokubaliswa kwamabali ngaphakathi kwincoko yemozulu. Ke ndinale mxholo kwaye ndinesahluko esikhethekileyo ngeIndiya kuba ngoku lelona lizwe likhulu emhlabeni kwaye njengengingqi, liyazi ngcono kunaye nabani na malunga nemiceli mngeni yengxaki yemozulu. Kwaye ke bendinayo le mixholo kwaye bendifuna nokuqinisekisa ukuba le ncwadi igcwele iyantlukwano kwaye ibandakanyiwe. Ngoko iyantlukwano kunye nokubandakanywa kwelizwi. Ngoko ndandifuna ukuqiniseka ukuba sinamazwi amaninzi amabhinqa kule ncwadi nabantu abasuka kwiindawo ngeendawo nakwiimvelaphi ezahlukeneyo. Kwaye xa ndingafumani mfazi, bendiza kuqinisekisa ukuba ngumntu othile osuka kuluntu okanye uhlanga ukuba anike loo mahluko ngelizwi. Kuba enye yezinto eziphambili, ngakumbi kwilizwe elisaphuhlayo, elithwaxwayo, ke, bathwaxwa yimeko yemozulu ixesha elide kakhulu. Uyazi, ukubuyela kwi-80s, 90s, baye bachaphazeleka. Ngoku apha entshona, siyachatshazelwa yingxaki yemozulu. Kodwa babekunyamezele ixesha elide oko kwakusenzeka. Kwaye uphando lubonisa ukuba abafazi ngabokuqala ukuchatshazelwa naluphi na uhlobo lwentlekele yemozulu. Kaloku amabhinqa ahlala esekhaya.

Kwaye ke ukuba yitsunami okanye imbalela, zezona zichaphazeleke kakhulu. Ngoko ndandifuna ngokwenene ukunika loo mbono kwincwadi.

[00:18:21] UJackie De Burca: Ke kuvakala ngathi usebenze nzima kakhulu ukufezekisa ukwahluka kwamazwi kudliwanondlebe lwakho oluyi-36.

[00:18:30] Sangeeta Waldron: Ewe.

[00:18:31] UJackie De Burca: Kwaye ke kwafuneka ubhale incwadi emva koko, ngokucacileyo.

[00:18:34] Sangeeta Waldron: Ewe. Kwaye kananjalo, uyazi, ukujonga nje kwinzululwazi, thina, uyazi, inzululwazi ilawulwa ngamadoda. Ke bendifuna ngokwenene ukufumana abantu ababhinqileyo, bafumane izazinzulu. Kwaye ndifumene iingqondo ezimbini ezimangalisayo, ezikrelekrele.

Omnye ngusonzululwazi weNASA kwaye nguGqr. Kimberly Minor kwaye usebenza kwingingqi yeArctic. Kwaye enye injalo Roberta Boscolo, I-WHO. Ewe, kunjalo.

Ewe. Ngoko ndonwabile ngokwenene. Ndifumene phantse kwisahluko ngasinye umfazi onika umbono.

[00:19:16] UJackie De Burca: Intle kakhulu. Ngoku, ndiyazi ukuba oku akwenzelwanga ukuba kufane nengxelo yeeyure ezimbalwa ubude, enokuthi ifanele, uyazi, ukuya kwelo nqanaba leenkcukacha mhlawumbi kamva xa incwadi ikhutshiwe.

Ke kuya kuba nzima kuwe ukuba uphendule lo mbuzo ngendlela, Sangeeta, kodwa ungathanda ukukhetha eyona mibono imangalisayo okanye ekhuthazayo oyifundileyo kwiincoko zakho?

[00:19:40] USangeeta Waldron: Ndiyayazi imibuzo ekhohlisayo njengokukhetha oyena mntwana wam. Uyazi, ngowuphi umntwana endimthandayo?

Mna, uyazi, into endiyifumeneyo kwaye yahlala nam ngumlingo weminenga ye-humpback.

Ndaye ndathetha nalomphandi, igama lakhe nguRakeli. Kwaye, ndithetha, ndiza kuthetha oku kuba ndifuna abantu bathenge incwadi kwaye bafunde oko akuthethayo. Kodwa yintoni engaqhelekanga kunye nento endinayo. Ndifunde ngeli xesha lokubhala le ncwadi kukuba indalo isinike yonke into. Ucinge ngayo yonke into. Yonke into ebomini bethu i-ikhosistim inomsebenzi kwaye inendawo, kwaye isebenza ukugcina izinto zilungelelene, ukusuka kwi-Arctic ukuya kwi-Antarctic, kwizidalwa zaselwandle ezihlala elwandle lwethu kunye nolwandle lwethu, ukuba yintoni, imithi esemhlabeni. Kwaye ngelishwa, ibe ngathi thina bantu siye sangena kwaye saphazamisa ibhalansi. Kodwa nangona a iintlobo Njengomnenga we-humpback udlala indima ebaluleke kakhulu ekusindeni kwethu.

Kwaye ndiza kukushiya kuloo cliffhanger.

[00:21:03] UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo uza kufunda incwadi. Ngendenze nakanjani na, kwimeko yam, kuba, uyazi, ngokucacileyo ndinentlonipho enkulu ngomsebenzi wakho, kodwa, ewe, lilitye elibukhali. Inika umdla kakhulu, ngokucacileyo. Le ncwadi ibandakanya udliwano-ndlebe nabantu, njengoko sele ukhankanyile, ukusukela kwizinto ezithandwayo, uyazi, uRoberta Boscolo, esimaziyo sobabini, ukuya kwiimvumi. Kwaye oko kuthetha ukuba kukho uluhlu olubanzi lweembono eziya kubakho ngokucacileyo kule ncwadi. Uziva njani ukuba tyebisa incoko yababini ngeenxa zonke imo iyatshintsha, Sangeeta?

[00:21:32] USangeeta Waldron: Ewe, uyazi, njengabantu, siyawathanda amabali. Amabali ayinxalenye yeDNA yethu, kwaye umculo kunye nobugcisa buyinxalenye yaloo nto. Baseso sithako. Kwaye ndithetha nomntu olwela ubugcisa obusencwadini, kwaye wenza le mizobo ingakholelekiyo kunye nemizobo ekudibanisa ngokwenene kwinto eyenzekayo elwandle naselwandle. Kwaye ndiza kuthetha oku ngokukhawuleza kakhulu. Ndikwathetha nombhali weengoma. Ubizwa ngokuba nguStevie Kalinich, kwaye uneminyaka engama-80 emncinci, kwaye uStevie wayedla ngokubhalela iBeach Boys, umbhali wengoma yeeBeach Boys. Kwaye uthetha ngenye yeengoma zakhe ebizwa ngokuba yiNtaka encinci. Kwaye kwakhona, ikubonisa nje indlela umculo osidibanisa ngayo nendalo kunye nomoya wendalo. Kwaye ngoku UN ikwanamaphulo amaninzi kusetyenziswa iimvumi kunye namagcisa ukusinceda ukuba sizive siqhagamshelwe ngakumbi kwindawo esingqongileyo.

[00:22:38] UJackie De Burca: Iyamangalisa loo nto. Ke ndicinga ukuba oko kusikhokelela ekubeni sihambe kakuhle kakhulu. Ndiyazi ukuba awukwazi ukukhetha abantwana obathandayo kwabangama-36, kodwa makhe sithethe ngobugcisa kunye nomculo kunye nento oyaziyo enxulumene kakhulu nabantu abaninzi. Nokuba abathanga bathande ubugcisa okanye umculo, abantu abaninzi banandipha uhlobo oluthile lobugcisa okanye umculo. Ke luhlobo luni lokuthatha esinalo kwincwadi evela kwezo ndawo zithile?

[00:23:05] USangeeta Waldron: Ewe, uyazi, ngokwenene umculo ubuyela emva. Ndithi back back, ndingazami ukujola nathi. UJackie apha.

[00:23:13] UJackie De Burca: Lumka, Sangeeta.

. Ke zininzi iingoma ezidumileyo, umculo odumileyo, kwaye eneneni ndinoluhlu lwezinye iingoma ezikule ncwadi. Kwaye, uyazi, nokuba ukhona. Ukuba awukuthandi ubugcisa kwaye awuthandi ukuya kwiigalari, kodwa ndiqinisekile ukuba uya kufunda into ethile okanye uya kubona ifoto yento ethile, kwaye ezo zithombe zenza iimvakalelo ngaphakathi kwethu. Kwaye ukuba. Khawufan’ ucinge ukuba ubungenakukwazi ukuphuma uye kuva ukurhashaza kwamagqabi omthi kwakhona okanye izandi zamaza, nto leyo ekwangumculo. Ngumculo wendalo.

Kwaye awungekhe uphume uye kwipaki yakho yasekhaya kwaye ukhabe ibhola ujikeleze okanye uhambe nje epakini kuba ibingasekho. Siza kupeyinta ntoni kwixesha elizayo? Buya kuba yintoni ubugcisa bethu? Besiya kubonisa ntoni kwezo khampasi? Ukuba besingasenawo umculo, besizakumamela ntoni kuSpotify okanye kunomathotholo? Bekuya kuthi cwaka nje. Ke ndicinga ukuba kukho unxibelelwano oluninzi nomculo, ubugcisa, into esiyibukeleyo, into esiyifunda nendalo. Indalo iyasikhuthaza.

Kwaye yenye yezinto eziphambili endizifundayo kula magcisa kwaye aba babhali nababhali beengoma yindlela indalo ebakhuthaza ngayo.

Kwaye ngaloo nto, ndiyathemba ukuba iyakuphefumlelwa ukuba yenze umahluko kwindalo ngokwayo.

[00:25:07] UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo uSangeet. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba into ethi qatha engqondweni yam kukugubungela abantu abaziva ngathi andinasiphiwo. Owu, andibufumani nyani ubugcisa okanye andifundi nokufunda iincwadi okanye nantoni na. Kodwa abantu abaninzi baya kujonga. Kwaye asizukukhankanya enye ibhrendi enkulu apha. Kodwa abantu baya kujonga ubuncinci imiboniso bhanyabhanya kunye nothotho kumabonwakude wabo kwaye banqule kwaye balandele nantoni na abangene kuyo. Ke, ngenye indlela, ndicinga ukuba uqala ukuthatha izithako, njengokuba sithatha nje kancinci, imiboniso esiyibona kwifilim esiyithandayo okanye kuthotho lweTV esilulandelayo, njengepesenti engu-X yezo. zivela kwindalo. Kwaye ukuba indalo ayisekho, ifilimu esiyithandayo ayinakwenziwa kwasekuqaleni.

[00:25:51] Sangeeta Waldron: 100.

Ewe. Besiza kujonga ntoni? Isikrini esingenanto? Okanye singabe sicinga, oh, Nkosi yam, kwakunjalo kwaye oku kungoku.

Ewe. Ngoko sifuna ukugcina ezo izithuba eziluhlaza. Sifuna, uyazi, ukuhoya iipaki zethu. Sifuna ukuthatha inkunkuma yethu siye nayo ekhaya. Sifuna ukuqiniseka ukuba asizalise ulwandle lwethu kunye neelwandle zethu ngeplastiki. Ngoko ngaphandle koko kuya kuba luhlobo oluhluke kakhulu lomzobo. Kodwa eneneni sibona ezinye zezi zibhalwa kumculo wethu kwaye zitsalwe kubugcisa bethu. Ezi zinto ziyitshintsha njani imeko.

[00:26:36] UJackie De Burca: Ewe. Eyona nto ibaluleke kakhulu, ndiyaqikelela, ngaphandle kokuyifunda le ncwadi ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, Sangeeta, enye yezinto ethi qatha engqondweni sisipho sakho sonxibelelwano, indlela odibanisa ngayo incwadi. Ngokucacileyo, ubakhuthaza kakhulu abafundi bakho ukuba babe nolwazi ngotshintsho lwemozulu. Awuzami ukugrumba, uyazi, ukuya kutsho kwisifundo. Kwenziwa ngokubaliswa kwamabali. Ngokubalisa amabali anamazwi angama-36 ahlukeneyo kuwe, uwadibanise onke kwaye uwanxibelelane. Loluphi uhlobo lwamanyathelo asebenzayo ocinga ukuba abantu abafunda incwadi yakho banokuwathatha emva koko ukwenza igalelo kuzinzo?

[00:27:17] USangeeta Waldron: Zininzi izinto ezilula, ezilula ukuba sizenze. Ndiyathetha, kukho izinto ekunganyanzelekanga ukuba uzenze, njengokuzenza. Ingaba uyazi? Yenye yezona zinto zibalulekileyo esinokuthi sizenze, yile nto siyenzayo ngoku, phakathi kwethu, mna nawe siyathetha ngayo. Ukuthetha ngengxaki yemozulu kunye nokuthetha ngayo nabanye. Thetha ngayo nabalingane bakho emsebenzini, thetha ngayo nabo ufunda nabo, abahlobo bakho, kuba oko kuphakamisa ulwazi. Kwaye ngokuqaphela kuza utshintsho.

Ezinye izinto ezincinci onokuthi uzenze xa uhlamba amazinyo akho, musa ukuvumela impompo ibaleke, yonga amanzi, kuba amanzi ngoku aya esiba lixabiso. Kaloku, ixabisekile. Kwaye kukho izibalo ezibonisa ukuba siphelelwa ngamanzi ngokuthe chu. Ke izinto ezincinci ezinje ngokubeka isiciko sakho kwipani yakho kuya konga amanzi.

Yintoni enye endingakuxelela yona? Kwanokuhamba nje uhambo epakini kukudibanisa nendalo kwaye kukunceda uzive uphefumlelwe ukwenza umahluko. Ukusa inkunkuma yakho Ekhaya. Musa ukuyishiya epakini. Cinga ngokungasebenzisi ibhotile yeplastiki, kodwa thatha. Thatha ibhotile yakho yamanzi onokuyizalisa. Zonke ezi zinto zincinci ziyadibanisa kwaye zenze umahluko.

[00:28:41] UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo bayakwenza. Ngoku, Sangeeta, ubuyela kwizifundo zakho ezingama-36 okanye abantu ebekusenziwa udliwano-ndlebe nabo encwadini, ngaba uvakalelwa kukuba abafundi bakho baya kumangaliswa kwaye bakhuthazeke okanye bothuke? Loluphi uhlobo lweemvakalelo onethemba lokuzifumana kubafundi kwikamva lencwadi yakho entsha?

[00:29:05] Sangeeta Waldron: Zonke ezo zinto. Uphefumlelwe, wothukile. Oh Thixo wam. Bendingayazi lonto. Ndiyathetha, ndithetha nalo mphathi-mkhosi jikelele odla umhlala-phantsi ukuba athethe malunga nendlela ubunkokeli obuyinxalenye yencoko yemozulu kunye nendlela amaqhinga omkhosi aguqulwa ngayo ngenxa yokutshintsha kwemozulu. Ndiyathetha, kuninzi kakhulu encwadini. Kukwakho malunga nokutya.

Xa sisiya kule venkile inkulu yasekuhlaleni, sinokucinga, owu, imango ilapha. Kodwa bangaphi kuthi abayiqondayo ngokwenene into yokuba xa iimango zikwixesha lonyaka kwaye le mango isikwe kakuhle kwaye ikuloo nto incinci ithandekayo yokupakishwa kweplastiki, yintoni na loo mizila yekhabhoni. Ke, ewe, ndinjalo nje. Ewe, kuninzi ekufuneka kwenziwe. Ngokuqinisekileyo.

. Ngaba ungacacisa kancinci kuloo ncoko? Kuba ndicinga ukuba oku kuhambelana kakhulu nabantu. Ewe.

[00:30:16] Sangeeta Waldron: Ngoko xa ndandibhala le ncwadi, nditsho ukuthi, sasinayo. Ewe, sisayiqhubeka kwaye ngoku sinayo, uyazi, Yukreyini kunye nemfazwe yaseRashiya, kwaye ngoku siyaqonda ukuba kwenzeka ntoni kuMbindi Mpuma. Kwaye asibonakali ngathi siyaqonda ukuba kukho nempembelelo yemfazwe kwimozulu.

Kwaye ke xa ndandibhala le ncwadi, ndacinga, Thixo, uyazi, kufuneka ndifake okuthile malunga noko kwenzekayo ehlabathini ngoku. Kwaye yona. Andizukungena kwiinkcukacha, kodwa bekukho i-serendipity eninzi eyandikhokelela ekubeni ndithethe nale nto.

[00:30:53] UJackie De Burca: Kutheni ndingothukanga? Sangeeta.

[00:30:58] Sangeeta Waldron: Yena. Kwaye kwakunjalo ngokwenene. Kwaye xa bendinodliwano-ndlebe naye kwangaloo mini, i-Guardian yayinalo eli nqaku malunga namaqhinga omkhosi atshintshwa kukutshintsha kwemozulu, ingxaki yemozulu. Bekuya kuba njalo. Yayibonakala ifike ngexesha, ifanelekile ngokwenene. Kwaye andifuni kwa spo. Andifuni ukunika nayiphi na spoilers, kodwa kukho. Indlela umkhosi osondela ngayo ukuba ube sisisombululo kwimozulu. Imeko yemozulu iyamangalisa kuba into esingayixabisiyo kukuba amatanki asebenzisa amafutha. Zonke ezi zandla zinekhabhoni. Ke umkhosi ukwacinga amaqhinga ohlukeneyo okunciphisa indawo yekhabhoni, endicinga ukuba ivuthuza ingqondo kuba asazi, uyazi, ukuba singaphandle, asiyixabisi loo nto. Kwaye nendlela iUkraine, ke, ingxabano yaseRashiya eyenzekayo, itshintsha njani amaqhinga kunye nento eyenzekayo kwiindawo ezithile zehlabathi.

Kwaye nobunkokeli, uyazi, ke ukuba kubaluleke kangakanani ubunkokeli ngaphakathi koku, hayi nje ubulumko bomkhosi, kodwa nakwezopolitiko.

Kwaye zonke ezi zinto zidityanisiwe kwaye asibonakali sicinga ukuba zikho, ukuba zikho, kodwa zikho. Ngokuqinisekileyo bonke, maninzi amachaphaza adityanisiweyo kule nto. Kwaye ewe, ndiye ndafumanisa ukuba umkhosi ufuna ukubonwa, hayi nje ukubonwa, ukuba wenza okulungileyo yiplanethi, kodwa bafuna ngokwenene, bacinga ngayo ngokwenyani kwaye benza olu tshintsho kwaye banazo ezi zinto. luhlaza Iincoko zikaWhatsapp ziyaqhubeka.

[00:32:50] UJackie De Burca: Kulungile, luhlobo olupholileyo olo.

Ngokwenene, ewe, ewe, oko ngokwenene, ngokwenene, kumnandi ngokwenene ukuva. Ndicinga ukuba kwinqanaba elisisiseko, ukuba ukhetha ukulwela ilizwe lakho, ke, kutheni ungalwela uMama woMhlaba? Ndifanele ukuba. Ewe.

[00:33:07] Sangeeta Waldron: Kwaye mna, umdla, ndinohlobo lombuzo, kodwa ndiwubeka ngokwahlukileyo kwincwadi. Uyazi xa usilwela ilizwe ithini lonto ithetha ukuthini? Kuba ukuba ujonga e-UK, ukumkani uyiplanethi enkulu. Ewe. Uyazi, nguye, unikezele ubomi bakhe ukuba abe yiplanethi. Kwaye unokuba norhulumente ongabonakali kakhulu kwiplanethi. Unjani ke wena njengomntu wasemkhosini? Ngaba uyaphikisana? Isebenza njani loo nto? Uyazi, urhulumente wakho wemini usenokungabi yiplanethi, kodwa owakho, wakho, ukumkani wakho.

Ngoko. Ewe, ngoko ndiphonononga ezinye zezo ngcinga kwincwadi.

[00:33:54] UJackie De Burca: Hayi, kodwa iyavakala inika umdla. Ukubuyela nje kwindawo yakho malunga nepetroli emkhosini. Ndicinge ngokoqobo izolo sineenqwelomoya ezininzi ezincinci ezijikelezayo apho ndikuyo Speyin ukujonga ukuba asinamlilo na kuba ngoku lixesha lokutsha. Eli lixesha lonyaka apho abalimi bavunyelwe ukuba batshise nantoni na, uyazi, ukuba bayifunayo, baziva befuna ukutshisa.

[00:34:16] Sangeeta Waldron: Ewe.

[00:34:17] UJackie De Burca: Kwaye ngokwenene ndandinengcamango efanayo. Ndandifana, loo nto intle kakhulu ukuba, ukuba bajonga ukuba asiyi, uyazi, sihambe ngomlilo. Kodwa ixabiso lepetroli yezo zithuthi zenza oko, likhulu nakwimekobume.

[00:34:32] Sangeeta Waldron: Kwaye, ndiyathetha, asinazo zonke izisombululo okwangoku, uyazi, kwaye ke senza eyona nto sinayo.

Ke mhlawumbi kwixesha elizayo, andazi, mhlawumbi inokuba ziidrones okanye ezinye iindlela.

Isenokuba ziisatellite ukujonga. Ndiyathetha, mna, uyazi, itekhnoloji iyavela ngalo lonke ixesha, kodwa akufuneki sithembele kwizisombululo ezivela kwitekhnoloji. Ikwafanele ibe yile nto siyenzayo sonke njengabantu ngabanye. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba yenye yezinto ezibuyela kwincoko yasemkhosini kukuba, uyazi, siyalibala ukuba abasebenzi basemkhosini bangabantu kwaye nabo, baneentsapho kwaye bacinga ngekamva kunye nokuba leliphi ilifa. 'uyahamba.

Ngoko yonke into ixhunyiwe, akukho nto yahlukileyo?

[00:35:31] UJackie De Burca: Hayi. Ngoku, ndicinga ukuba ndinike uluhlu lwamagama kwaye asifuni ukuba nabantwana esibathandayo, kodwa ndicinga ukuba igama abantu abaninzi abaphakathi bayalazi ngcono lizakuba nguJulian. Lennon, umbhali wengoma ngokwakhe kwaye ngokunjalo, unyana kaJohn Lennon. Ngaba ubuncinci besinokuba nencoko encinci, encinci malunga nokuba iincoko zakho noJulian zazisa ntoni?

[00:35:54] USangeeta Waldron: Yintoni ebinomdla nguJulian Lennon ngumseki wombutho obizwa ngokuba yiWhite Feather foundation. Kwaye bebesenza umsebenzi omkhulu, umsebenzi weplanethi kwaye baqhagamshele amachaphaza. Mninzi ke umsebenzi ewenza ngokuphakamisa amantombazana aselula kuba abasetyhini bayachaphazeleka kuqala, ngakumbi kwi emazantsi ehlabathi nokutshintsha kwemozulu. Kwaye usebenzisa izakhono zakhe, ezifotayo kunye nobugcisa, ukubonisa kunye nokunika ukuqonda okwahlukileyo kwincoko yemozulu. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba oko kunomdla kakhulu kuba ubugcisa kunye nokufota kunokudlulisa izinto ezininzi ezahlukeneyo.

Kwaye usebenzisa eyakhe, ndingathi akayiyo loo nto, uyazi, ukuba ungayijongeli phantsi yonke le nto yosaziwayo, kodwa yena, unesikhundla sodumo kwaye usebenzisa, ilizwi lakhe kweli qonga. Kwaye kunjalo, uyazi, kubantu abaninzi abadumileyo, xa bethetha ngotshintsho lwemozulu okanye imeko yemozulu, bayagwetywa, bavalwe.

Ngoko akusoloko kulula ukubeka intloko yakho ngaphezu kweparapet. Kodwa nguye. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba siyayidinga, kufuneka, bendisazi, ndicinga ukuba kufuneka siyiqhwabele izandla loo nto kuba ababaninzi abantu abaziva benesibindi sokuyenza. Kodwa wenza imisebenzi emikhulu. Umbutho wakhe wenza umsebenzi obalulekileyo ngokwenene kwaye ngumsebenzi welifa. Ngoko ayisiyonto nje enye. Badala ilifa kwaye basebenza noluntu oluninzi lwemveli.

Kwaye kwakhona, iyibuyisela, uyazi, olu luntu lwemveli lubambe ubulumko be zendalo. Kwaye kwakhona, zonke zinxibelelana kwenye yeencoko endinazo kwisahluko sesayensi kunye nendlela isayensi ngoku esebenzisa ngayo ubulumko iinkcubeko zemveli ukudibanisa iqhekeza lephazili elingekhoyo kumsebenzi wabo wenzululwazi. Ngoko, ewe, inika umdla.

[00:38:12] UJackie De Burca: Inika umdla kwaphela. Kwaye, ewe, ndiyaqikelela kuyo yonke into oyithethayo, Sangeeta, kwaye into endikholelwa ukuba uyiyo, uyazi, uza kuphumelela ngencwadi yakho, ujongana nenyani yokuba kukho indibaniselwano yongxamiseko kunye. ithemba okwangoku. Ukwazi njani ukulungelelanisa ezo mvakalelo kwincwadi?

[00:38:31] Sangeeta Waldron: Ewe, umbuzo olungileyo ngokwenene. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba ndiza kwenza njalo. Ndizakuyiphendula le nto ngokuya kwenye yeencoko endandinazo kule ncwadi nososayensi, ndambuza, ngaba ukhe uzive uxakeke yile nto uyibonayo? Kaloku izazinzulu zikwajongene nento ebizwa ngokuba yimeko yemozulu. Uye wathi, ndinethemba kunye nenkolelo yokwenza utshintsho esiludingayo, kuba lithemba kunye nenkolelo eya kusivusa yonke imihla ukwenza umsebenzi ekufuneka siwenze. Kwaye kusekho okuninzi okunokwenzeka ngaphandle ukwenza utshintsho esiludingayo. Kwaye loo nto ixelwe kuyo yonke incwadi nakuyo yonke incoko endinayo, ukuba kukho iindawo zehlabathi ezinezisombululo zonke, njengeendawo ezinjengeAfrika, esingakhange sityale imali kuzo ngokwenene kwaye zeziphi izisombululo abanokuzibonelela. Ngoko, ewe, ndiyathetha, kukho. Ndinayo ngokwenene. Emva kwayo yonke incoko endinayo neenkokeli ezahlukeneyo zokucinga, Iingcali, ndahlala ndiziva, oh, Nkosi yam, likhona ithemba apha. Kukho abantu abenza izinto ngokwenene. Kwaye oko kukodwa, uziva uyinxalenye yomfanekiso omkhulu. Kwaye kukho umfanekiso omkhulu.

[00:39:51] UJackie De Burca: Ewe. Bendizokubuza ngendima yethemba, kodwa, ndiyathetha, uphendule ngokugqibeleleyo. Kuba ukuba emva kodliwano-ndlebe lwe-36, uziva ngokuba yinxalenye yomfanekiso omkhulu kunye nokudlala indima yakho kunye nethemba lokuba yinto edibeneyo kuzo zonke ezo, ndicinga ukuba, uyazi, ziindaba ezilungileyo kakhulu ezo.

[00:40:10] Sangeeta Waldron: Ewe. Kuba yintoni, uyazi, njengokuba usandul 'ukutsho, Jackie, kwaye uyishwankathele kakuhle, indenze ndacinga, akufuneki ube yingcali yokutya, uyazi, inzululwazi yokutya ukuze wenze umehluko. Inyaniso yokuba wena. Sonke siyayiqonda into esiyithengayo isenza sibe yinxalenye yeso sisombululo akufuneki ube ngumbhali weengoma ukuze wenze utshintsho emhlabeni. Inyaniso yokuba simamela nje loo mculo isinceda ukuba sizive sinxibelelene nendalo. Ngoko ke zonke ezi zinto zidlala indima kwaye yonke into ixhunyiwe.

[00:40:41] UJackie De Burca: Yonke into iqhagamshelwe ngokupheleleyo. Ndizakukhankanya, ngenxa yokuba siye sayikroba ngokukhawuleza, isiseko sontsiba ezimhlophe seso uJulian Lennon abandakanyeka kuso. Kubantu abamameleyo abangathanda ukuphengulula kulwazi apho kwaye, uyazi. , umsebenzi omhle abawenzayo. Ndicinga njengomntu obhale incwadi kwaye hayi. Not on this topic, I imagine you had your challenges during the whole process, Angita, beziyintoni kwaye woyise njani?

[00:41:10] Sangeeta Waldron: Ngumbuzo olungileyo ngenene, Jackie. Ndiyathetha, yayikukufumana ixesha kunye nabantu.

Kwakhona, xa ubhala incoko, ndaziva, kuhle, ndiqinisekile ukuba zonke ababhali kwaye bonke ababhali bayayiva le nto. Iintatheli ngokunjalo. Ufuna ukwenza ubulungisa kule nto uyibhalileyo okanye incoko obunayo. Ufuna ukuba iqhekeza libe lihle kakhulu. Kwaye kunzima kuba ngamanye amaxesha indlela oyitolike ngayo incoko ayisoloko ithetha ukuba loo mntu uyayithanda indlela adibana ngayo.

Ngoko ke kufuneka ususe i-ego yakho kuloo nkqubo. Ngokusebenzisa. Yayilucelomngeni olo. Uyakwazi oko. Oh Thixo. Uyazi, ngaba abazange bayithande? Balwenzile olu tshintsho. Akuthethwa ngam. Kwaye kunjalo. Yinto nje, uyazi, ndenze okona kungcono. Ngoko asikuko ukuziva. Hayi ukuziva. Amathandabuzo. Musa ukuthandabuza. Andikwazanga. Andizange ndifune ukuzithandabuza kuloo nkqubo, kodwa kunzima kakhulu.

Kwaye, uyazi, ndifumene kwincwadi yesi-4. Kwisahluko ngasinye, ndineencoko ezine ezahlukeneyo kule ncwadi. Yinto eninzi yokubhala. Ngumsebenzi omninzi. Kwaye kwakubonakala ngathi ayinakuphela.

Ngoko yayiyimingeni, uyazi. Uyazi, xa abantu bebuya kwaye bongeze amasuntswana kunye namaqhekeza ukuba bangaziva ukuba bayawulungisa umsebenzi wakho.

Oko kunokuba ngumceli mngeni kuba, uyazi, ubeka intliziyo nomphefumlo wakho ekubhaleni. Olunye ucelomngeni kukufumana ixesha nabantu.

Abantu bayaxakeka ke. Zizo zonke ezo zinto nje. Kwaye bendibhala le ncwadi ngelixa ndisenza yonke enye into. Ke ukusebenza, ubomi basekhaya, ukupheka, ukucoca, uyazi.

[00:43:01] UJackie De Burca: Kanye. Ewe.

[00:43:02] Sangeeta Waldron: Kwaye ngamanye amaxesha bendiba kwi-roll ebhala kwaye ibiba ngu-6:00.

[00:43:08] UJackie De Burca: Owu, umntu kufuneka atye isidlo sangokuhlwa.

[00:43:10] Sangeeta Waldron: Kanye.

[00:43:10] UJackie De Burca: Ukwenza isidlo sangokuhlwa. Ngokuchanekileyo.

[00:43:13] USangeeta Waldron: Owu, Thixo, ndikuluhlu apha. Andifuni kuvele ndiyeke.

Ngoko kuya kuba njalo. Ndingalufumana uncedo apha?

Ngoko, ewe. Ngoko yayilulo hlobo lonke.

[00:43:25] UJackie De Burca: Ewe.

[00:43:25] USangeeta Waldron: Ndicinga ukuba eyona nto inkulu kukuba, uyazi, uyenza njengoko usaphila kwaye uqhubeka nobomi kunye nomsebenzi.

[00:43:38] UJackie De Burca: Yiloo nto. Ndiyathetha, akukho kukuphepha oko. Kodwa njengoko ubutshilo amaxesha ambalwa kwincoko yethu, Sangeeta, yonke into iqhagamshelwe. Ke ndiyaqikelela ukuba ukutya okunikayo kwaye kwangaxeshanye ufumane kusapho lwakho kunye nokutya okuhlala phantsi kunye kunye mhlawumbi kubuyela emphefumlweni wakho kunye nasentliziyweni yakho. Kwaye nangona ndiyazi njengobuchule ukuba kunjani ukophulwa kuhambo lokuyila, kuyoyikeka. Kodwa ngendlela efanayo, mhlawumbi kufuneka ususwe kuyo ngamanye amaxesha besingayi kuyenza. Kukho amaxesha apho besingenakuyenza loo nto ngenxa yokuba sikwi-roll. Kodwa mhlawumbi kukho intwana yesondlo ngendlela yayo. Nangona mhlawumbi kunzima kwi.

[00:44:14] Sangeeta Waldron: Ixesha, uyazi, yinyani. Kwaye uyazi, ngamanye amaxesha wena. Bendikhe ndithathe ikhefu ndibuyele emva, ndiyacinga, oh, uyazi, bendingenza ngcono. Ndifuna eso sahluko sivakale ngokwahlukileyo.

Ngoko ikhefu lilungile kuba likunika ixesha lokubonisa.

[00:44:30] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, ndivuma ngokupheleleyo. Ndivuma ngokupheleleyo. Ngoku, ubuyela emsebenzini wakho wangaphambili, uxanduva lweshishini lwentlalo kwaye hayi ubudlelwane boluntu, ngaba uvakalelwa kukuba yincwadi eyahlukileyo ngokucacileyo, kodwa ngaba uziva ngathi uluhlobo olwakhelwe phezu kwemixholo evela kulo msebenzi okanye hayi?

[00:44:45] Sangeeta Waldron: Ewe, kakhulu. Ndifunde lukhulu kulaa nkqubo yokubhalwa kwaloo ncwadi. Kodwa kwakhona imixholo iphinde yaqhagamshelwa kuba loo ncwadi ibigxile kumashishini enza ngcono yiplanethi. Kwaye ndiphonononga oko ngendlela eyahlukileyo kule ncwadi yangoku malunga nendima yeshishini kunye nendlela imozulu echaphazela ngayo ishishini kunye notshintsho lokubonelela, uxolo, ikhonkco lokubonelela kunye nezibonelelo, izixhobo. Kodwa kwakhona indlela imozulu echaphazela ngayo amashishini kwihlabathi liphela apho abasebenzi banokuthi bangakwazi ukungena kuba kushushu kakhulu okanye indawo ikhukuliswe ngamanzi.

Ewe, maninzi kakhulu, uyazi, amashishini ngoku achatshazelwa yimozulu yokwenyani kwaye oko kubangela. Oko kunokubangela imingeni yemveliso. Kwaye kananjalo, uyazi, inokuba lishishini elisebenza apha elixhomekeke kuyo, andazi, into evela komnye ummandla ekhe yakho. Loo ndawo iye yachatshazelwa yimeko yemozulu. Ke ngoko abanako ukuvelisa ngenxa yokuba abazifumani izixhobo zabo.

[00:46:08] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, hayi, inkulu, Sisihloko esikhulu. Ngoku ndimalunga neyure enye emazantsi eValencia kwaye ndaya kwivenkile enkulu ngosuku olulandelayo, uyazi, owona mcimbi mkhulu weDana kwaye awuzange ucinge kum ukuba siyayibona impembelelo yayo apha kuba khange ndicinge ngolo hlobo. Kodwa konke ukutya kwakho okutsha bekungekho. Kwakungekho ziqhamo kunye nemifuno. Kwakungekho nto kwinyama yakho, uyazi, kuba ewe, ewe, iValencia ibaluleke kakhulu isixeko kwindawo yethu. Sasingacingi nokucinga ngolo hlobo, kodwa ke yayiyinto eyothusayo ukuyibona. Kwaye ke uyaqonda ukuba le yinyani yethu entsha okwangoku, uyazi.

[00:46:46] Sangeeta Waldron: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Kwaye si. Ukuba akunjalo. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba siza kuqala ukubona ngakumbi kwezi ntlobo zeengxaki kwikhonkco lethu lokutya kuba ezinye iindawo zibethwa yimeko yemozulu kwaye sinokungacingi ukuba izakwenzeka ngoku, kodwa nini, xa sijonga. , uyazi, ngaphambili kumaxesha onyaka, siza kuqala ukuqaphela impembelelo yaloo nto. Kwaye ndandifunda ndaweni ithile, ngenxa yezikhukula zaseValencia, iiorenji ziza kunqaba ngakumbi.

Kwaye sisenokungayiva loo nto ngoku, kodwa sizakwenza njalo kwezinye iinyanga ezintandathu.

[00:47:29] UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ndiyathetha, sinabamelwane emhlabeni, uyazi, abangabalimi. Bangabalimi beorenji. Kwaye ukuqokelelwa kwe-orenji kuyaqhubeka ngoku. Kodwa omnye wabamelwane esazi kakuhle, wathi ngokoqobo kwiiveki ezimbalwa ezidlulileyo, ibe yintlekele epheleleyo kubo. Ewe.

[00:47:46] USangeeta Waldron: Uyazi, imozulu yaseValencia, isenokungabikho kwindawo ohlala kuyo, kodwa inefuthe.

[00:47:53] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, sinemozulu efanayo kakhulu apha, kodwa hayi kakhulu. Siye saba neeveki, iiveki neeveki ezifana nemvula engayekiyo. Ke, jonga, ichaphazele kwaye njengoko usitsho, le yinto, uyazi, ngelishwa okwangoku, kuya kufuneka sijongane nale nyani kude kube, njengoko mna nawe sinethemba kunye nabanye abantu abaninzi endithetha nabo. ukuze, zonke ezi zisombululo ezimangalisayo ezinokuthi zikwazi ukuya kwindawo ziya kungena endaweni. Ngoko. Ngoko ke siya kuyigcina incoko ngokucacileyo upbeat. Eyona nto ibalulekileyo, ndicinga ukuba, kule ncoko yindima yencwadi yakho kunye namanye amajelo eendaba. Njengengcali kwezonxibelelwano, uSangeeta, uziva njani ngendima edlalwa ngamajelo eendaba ekuqhubeni incoko yemozulu?

[00:48:38] USangeeta Waldron: Idlala indima ebalulekileyo kwaye ngakumbi namhlanje apho uhlobo lwanamhlanje lolwazi apho yonke into ikhoyo ngoku, sikwanalo neenkcukacha ezininzi ezingeyonyani.

Ngoko ke idlala indima ebaluleke ngokwenene. Kwaye indima yethu kukuqinisekisa ukuba siyayijonga yonke into esiyifundayo, ukuba ngumthombo oyinyani kuba zininzi iinkcukacha ezingezizo njengoko sisazi. Ke into esiyibonayo, into esiyibukelayo, into esiyifundayo ibalulekile koku kunye nendlela esizigcina ngayo sinolwazi ibalulekile. Kwaye kwakhona abantu banokuziva becinezelekile. Bacinga, oh, iindaba zinjalo, uyazi, zimbi kwaye ziyoyikeka. Asisafuni kwazi kwakhona. Kodwa ke njani, ukuba wena, ukuba uyeka ukubukela okanye ukufunda iindaba, wazi njani ukuba ungayenza njani inguqu okanye into eyenzekayo, uyazi, luhlobo olukhohlisayo ngoku kuba iindaba zicinezela kakhulu, kodwa thina Kufuneka sihlale sinolwazi kwaye kufuneka sihlale sinolwazi ngemithombo yolwazi eyinyani.

[00:49:58] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, kubaluleke kakhulu oko. Ngoku, kucacile ukuba uthe ezi ndaba zidandathekile kwaye ndiyacinga, uyazi, akukho mntu ufuna ukukuva ukuba uthetha kuba uyayazi ngokwakhe. Kodwa uziva njani ukuba incwadi iya kuba negalelo kumajelo eendaba kunye nemiyalezo ngokubanzi?

[00:50:13] USangeeta Waldron: Ewe, ndinesahluko kwincwadi kumajelo eendaba kwaye ndithetha namanye amazwi aphambili asebenza kumajelo eendaba, kuquka intatheli yezokusingqongileyo eBrazil kunye nentatheli yalapha eLondon, kunye nendima edlalwa ngamajelo eendaba. Kodwa ngaphezu kwayo yonke into, le ncwadi inika abantu izinto ezithathwayo, iingcebiso ezincinci, iingcebiso esinokuthi sonke sizenze ukuze sizive ngathi ukwenza umahluko, ukuba akufuneki, uyazi, anditsho ukuba sonke siba yi-vegan kwaye asisayi kwiholide kwaye sihleli nje ekhaya.

Incwadi ayikho loo nto. Incwadi ithi uphila njani?

Yenza izinto ozithandayo, kodwa ujonga iiplanethi ngeendlela ezincinci kuba ziindlela ezincinci ezenza utshintsho. Kwaye enye yezinto endizikholelwayo kuxa siqala ukwenza ezi nguqu zincinci, ziye zinyuke kwaye ngaphambi kokuba siyazi, sihlangabezene, senza izinto ezinkulu nezingcono. Kwaye kulapho kufuneka sibe khona sonke, sisenza izinto ezinkulu, ezingcono, ezilumkileyo zesijikelezi-langa.

[00:51:33] UJackie De Burca: Ndicinga ukuba utshintsho oluncinci lunokubaxhobisa nabantu, Sangeeta, akunjalo?

[00:51:37] Sangeeta Waldron: 100%. Ndiyathetha, kwaye inokuba zizinto ezinjengokwaziswa, uyazi, ukwazi iinyani kuthetha ukuba usuka kwinto yokuba wenza into enkulu nengcono.

Ukuthatha inkunkuma yakho uye nayo ekhaya endaweni yokusuka nje uyiwise phantsi sisenzo esinenjongo kakhulu. Ukuba yinxalenye yokuthutha inkunkuma kwenza utshintsho. Zonke ezi zinto, uyazi, ungathengi iplastiki eninzi, ukunciphisa iplastiki yakho, ukucinga malunga nendlela onokuyinciphisa ngayo iplastiki yakho yenza umehluko.

Zonke ezi zinto ziyadibanisa. Ukunciphisa inkunkuma yakho yokutya, uyazi, kukwenza.

Ikwenza ukuba uhambelane ngakumbi neplanethi. Ukwazi ukuba yintoni na ngexesha, uyazi, ukutya.

Abantu ngoku balibele ukuba kuthetha ukuthini ukutya ngexesha lonyaka, yeyiphi imifuno kunye neziqhamo ezilinywa ngalo lonke ixesha lonyaka ukuze utye. Kuba sonakaliswe kakhulu, sinamaqunube unyaka wonke. Iistrawberries azikho unyaka wonke, uyazi, ngoko uyazi ukuba yintoni ngexesha. Kwaye ke xa udla ngexesha lonyaka, ngokwenene. Kwaye kwakhona encwadini, ndiphonononga kancinci malunga noku, kodwa wongeza amajoni akho omzimba.

Usempilweni xa sisitya ngexesha lonyaka.

Sihambelana neplanethi. Ewe.

[00:53:12] UJackie De Burca: Kwaye kuya kubakho. Oko kuxabiseke kakhulu. Kwaye ke uyazi, njengabanye abantu abakukutya okanye kwi-foodies ukuba uyathanda, unokwazi nokuba kunokwenzeka ukuba oko kufunyenwe ekuhlaleni kunye nokuba sexesheni kuba amandla okutya aya kuhambelana ngakumbi kwindawo okuyo.

[00:53:30] Sangeeta Waldron: Kulungile? Ewe, 100%, Jackie.

[00:53:33] UJackie De Burca: Ke sisihloko esinomdla sodwa ngokwenene.

Ngapha koko, incwadi yakho, ngokucacileyo injongo yakho kukushiya abafundi bephefumlelwe ukuba benze. Ukuba bekukho umyalezo omnye, iSangeeta, onethemba lokuba uya kuphinda udibane nomfundi ngamnye emva kokuba uwugqibile, inokuba yintoni loo nto?

[00:53:48] Sangeeta Waldron: Yiba lutshintsho.

[00:53:51] UJackie De Burca: Ugqibelele.

[00:53:52] Sangeeta Waldron: Igqibelele.

[00:53:53] UJackie De Burca: Kulungile. Ngoko iya kufumaneka nini le ncwadi yaye iza kufumaneka phi?

[00:54:00] USangeeta Waldron: Ewe, abantu bangayiodola kwangaphambili incwadi ngoku.

[00:54:03] UJackie De Burca: Owu uqaqambileyo.

[00:54:04] Sangeeta Waldron: Ewe. Ke ungangena kwi-intanethi kwaye u-odole incwadi kwangaphambili naphi na apho unokuba ukhoyo emhlabeni.

Unga. Le ncwadi iphuma ngokusesikweni nge-30 kaJanuwari kwaye emva koko iya kufumaneka ngokubanzi kwiivenkile zeencwadi, kwiivenkile ezithengisa iincwadi kunye nakwi-intanethi.

Kodwa ewe, ikho, iyafumaneka ngoku ukuze iodolwe kwangaphambili kwaye ndiyathemba ukuba abantu bayi-odole kwangaphambili kwaye bayifunde kwaye ndiza kuvuya ngokwenene kukwazi ukuba abantu bacinga ntoni.

[00:54:41] UJackie De Burca: Ke ngo-2025 kuya kuba kuhle ukuba, uyazi, ufumane loo ngxelo xa usazi ngakumbi ngayo, xa unabantu abakunika ingxelo. Ukuba ubunokunika icebiso elinye kubaphulaphuli ekupheleni kwale ncoko, ubashiye neengcinga zakho malunga nokudala ilifa elilungileyo leplanethi, ingaba yintoni leyo?

[00:55:01] Sangeeta Waldron: Sangeeta, qala nje ngawe. Ulibale ngento eyenziwa ngabanye abantu okanye abangayenziyo. Qala nje ngeyakho. Kwaye cinga ngento enye ongathanda ukuyenza elula kuwe kwaye ibuyela kuloo ngcinga. Yiba lutshintsho.

[00:55:18] UJackie De Burca: Uyamangalisa. Kwaye ngokuthe ngqo. Sangeeta, ndikunqwenelela impumelelo enkulu ngencwadi. Ndiqinisekile ukuba iza kuza kwaye impumelelo ibekho, uyazi, kokukhona abantu bebaninzi, abanomdla abaza kuyifunda kwaye bazibandakanye nazo zonke iimbono ezinomdla ezikhona kwaye zifunde kuyo kwaye zibe lutshintsho, njengoko usitsho. ngokwakho.

[00:55:38] Sangeeta Waldron: Enkosi kakhulu uJackie, ngokuba nam nokuba nomdla kwincwadi. Oko kuthetha lukhulu kwaye enkosi. Ndiyabulela nje. Ezaliswe ngumbulelo.

[00:55:48] UJackie De Burca: Enkosi. USangeeta ubemhle kakhulu.

[00:55:52] La ngaMazwi akhayo.

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