S3, E16: Ikamva loTyalo lweDolophu: Incoko kunye no-Angus Cunningham

Lo mbhalo ushicilelwe ngedijithali kwaye unokuqulatha iimpazamo ezithile.

[00:00:12] UJackie De Burca: Molo kwimvula Speyin namhlanje. Ngokwenene ndiyavuya ukuthi sibe nemvula apha eSpain. Kwaye ndonwabile ukutsho ukuba ndinondwendwe endiziva ngokuqinisekileyo lungumoya onobubele ukusuka kwincoko yethu yangaphambili kudliwanondlebe, inene elithandekayo elibizwa ngokuba ngu-Angus Cunningham, ongomnye wabalawuli baseScotscape. Kwaye mhlawumbi uzakundilungisa kwaye uthi nguwe wedwa oza kundilungisa, nceda, Angus, ungene nentshayelelo yakho malunga nawe, buqu kunye nangomsebenzi.

[00:00:40] Angus Cunningham: Enkosi, Jackie. Ndiyavuya ukunetha ethafeni.

[00:00:44] UJackie De Burca: Kanye.

[00:00:45] Angus Cunningham: Iyana eLondon nanamhlanje. Ukuthontsiza okukhanyayo. Indikhumbuza imida yaseSkotlani.

Ndinabalawuli eScotscape.

I-Scotscape yinkampani eyasekwa ukususela ngo-19 90, 86 xa ndandiqala ukumisa eLondon.

Kwaye siye kwinani lotshintsho phezu kokungenelela.

Ngokwenene kuqhubeka iminyaka engama-40.

Kwaye ngoku sizibiza ngokuba singoochwephesha bohlaza ezidolophini. Kwaye sifaka iinkqubo zokutyala uhlaza, ukutyala okuzinzileyo kwiindawo ezinomngeni kakhulu ezixekweni. Kwaye nantso into eyenziwa yiScotscape, nantso into.

[00:01:31] UJackie De Burca: Waziwa kakhulu ngaye. Kodwa njengawo wonke umntu, Angus, sonke sinamabali ethu, akunjalo? Ndicinga ukuba kuyathandeka ukuzisa ibali lobuqu ondixelele lona phambi kodliwano-ndlebe lokuba ufike njani eLondon. Kwaye inika umdla kakhulu kwaye ndihlala ndikholelwa ukuba, uyazi, izinto zithande ukuphuma ukuba silandela amandla kunokuba sibe ngqongqo kakhulu ngazo.

[00:01:51] Angus Cunningham: Ewe, yinyani leyo. Ewe. Ewe. Eyam.

Ukuphela kwam eLondon bekungacwangciswanga.

Ukuphuma kwesikolo, ndandinqwenela ukusebenza ezilalini. Ndandifuna ukuba ngumgcini wezilwanyana okanye ndisebenze kwikomishini yamahlathi. Ukuba luhlobo lwangaphandle kwaye ukhuliswe kusapho oluzinzileyo lwaseScotland apho kungekho nto ilahlekileyo kwaye uhambo oluya kwivenkile enkulu lwalunqabile kwaye ikakhulu luyimfuneko. Kodwa siye saphila ngaphandle komhlaba kwaye sijonga ngasemva, yayiyiyo, yayibubomi obumangalisayo, obumangalisayo kumoya omtsha. Kodwa ngelishwa kwafuneka ndiqhubeke nemfundo. Ke ndaya kwiYunivesithi yaseAberdeen, apho ndasokola khona ezifundweni, ukuba ndinyanisekile, kwaye ndaziva ndineentloni. Bekunzima euni. Bendixubana nabo banokwenza uhlaziyo olukhawulezileyo kwaye bagqibe iimviwo zabo. Kwaye, ewe, kwafuneka ndisebenze nzima kunoko kwaye ndifunde izinto eziphantse zibe yifashoni yeparrot. Kunyaka wesibini, ndaya eLondon, ndibhalele utata ileta ndisithi, Ndiyaxolisa kakhulu, kodwa ndifuna ukuya kuzama ithamsanqa eLondon.

Kwaye utata waye, uyazi, wachukumiseka kakhulu kukuba ndide ndide ndiye eyunivesithi.

Ngoko ndaziva ndimphoxa ngokuphumela ngaphandle. Phofu khange ndimxelele ukuba andizimiselanga kubuyela emva. Ndambhalela ndathi, ndifuna ukuthatha unyaka eLondon. Kwaye emva kweminyaka engama-40 ndisekunyaka wam wekhefu. Kodwa bendikuhambo oluthile ukusuka ekuqaleni. Xa ndiphakama, ndakhwela ibhasi eya eLondon, ndaphakama ndahlala phantsi kwiflethi kadade wethu ndakwazi. Ewe, ndandingazi ukuba ndiza kwenza ntoni kwaye into endandiyazi yayikukusebenza ngaphandle kunye nokusebenza egadini. I-Fort sheet yayise-Victoria kwaye ndakwazi ukufumana umsebenzi kwisibhedlele saseRoyal, e-Chelsea, esikufuphi nekona apho ndandiqeqeshelwa umsebenzi unyaka wonke.

Yayisisiqalo sam ke eso. Sonke siwela iindlela ezinqumlayo, akunjalo? Kwaye xa ndijonga ngasemva kwaye, uyazi, la mava eyunivesithi yayiyindlela edityanisiweyo kuba ndiye ndaphuma kancinci xa ndandilapho, kodwa imbuyekezo eLondon. Ke, ewe, kwaye yayiyigadi kuba ndandingabazi obunye ubuchule kwaye ndandiwuthanda umsebenzi wangaphandle. Yayisisiqalo ke eso kum.

[00:04:28] UJackie De Burca: Ndiyayithanda, ngokucacileyo, imvelaphi yakho, abazali abazinzileyo eSkotlani kwaye, uyazi, lonke uhambo. Umbuzo omnye kuwe, kuba ihambelana ngokupheleleyo nezinye iindwendwe ezininzi kwaye ndiyathemba ukuba kukho abaphulaphuli. Ngaba uziva ngokwahlukileyo xa ungaphandle? Kwaye bekuya kuba njani kuwe, Angus, ukuba ububambekile? Ngokucacileyo siyarekhoda kwaye ungaphakathi, kodwa, uyazi, ngokubanzi, ukuba umsebenzi wakho ububandakanya ukuba ngaphakathi, njengabasebenzi abaninzi baseofisini, inokuba njani kuwe loo nto?

[00:04:56] Angus Cunningham: Yoyikeka.

Andikwazanga ukwenza. Yayiyimantra yam. Ndandingafuni ukusebenza kwinkampani enkulu okanye eofisini. Ndabatyhala bobabini ndadibanisa. Ndicinga ukuba itshintshile ngoku ukusukela kwi-COVID kodwa ewe, kodwa mna, uyazi, inyani, ndikhuliswe phakathi kwendawo kwaye ngoku kuthethwa kakuhle malunga nokuba siqhagamshelwe kwindalo, sineentambo ezinzima. kwindalo. Nantso ke into eqhubela phambili indalo kwizixeko zethu. Kuba, uyazi, emva kwe-Covid, xa sakhutshwayo, sasingafuni ukuhamba sihamba ngesitrato esiphakamileyo. Besifuna ukungena kwindawo eluhlaza ethi, uyazi, ingqina inqaku. Ke, ewe, ndingumntu wangaphandle. Kwahlala kunjalo, kuyakuhlala kunjalo.

Ngelishwa, kufuneka senze ixesha elincinci lesikrini kwaye kufuneka senze. Kufuneka silungelelaniswe kodwa, ewe, ndicinga ukuba ndibetha i-60 ngoku. Kulungile, ndineminyaka engama-60 kwaye ndicinga ukuba ikamva lilo, lakuba ishishini lithe laphakama kwaye liqhuba ngempumelelo, ndiza kube ndisenza amasuntswana am ngaphandle kuba kulapho ndilangazelela ukwenza khona.

[00:06:12] UJackie De Burca: Ndiza kukuncoma ngoku kuba ndiyakubona nyani. Nangona oku a podcast sinazo iikhamera. Ndithetha ukuba inzuzo yabaphulaphuli, ukhangeleka ungaphantsi kwama-60. Kwaye ngokwenene, inani labantu endidibene nabo kwiinyanga ezimbalwa ezidlulileyo abasebenza ngokubanzi kunye nendalo babonakala bebancinci kuneminyaka yabo. Ngoko unokuthatha oko njengengxelo.

[00:06:31] Angus Cunningham: Owu, nantso ke. Enkosi. Enkosi, Jackie. Ndiyayibulela kakhulu.

[00:06:35] UJackie De Burca: Nangona kunjalo, ukubuyela kowona msebenzi, kutheni kubaluleke kangaka kuwe?

[00:06:41] Angus Cunningham: Ibalulekile kum. Kwakubalulekile ekuqaleni kohambo lwam eLondon kuba yayimalunga nokusinda.

Ndandingazi ukuba mandenze ntoni na.

Bekubalulekile kum kuba bendifuna ukuzimela nge2ft bendingenazo ezinye izakhono, bendingenazo ezinye izixhobo.

Kuye kwaba njengoko ishishini liye morphed kwaye watshintsha phezu. Ngaphezu kweminyaka engama-40. Saqala njengenkampani yokulungisa imbonakalo yomhlaba kuba yile nto ndiyijongayo. Sakhula saba yimbonakalo yomhlaba yasekhaya, indawo yorhwebo, iindonga zokuhlala, uphahla oluhlaza. Siyigqibile yonke into. Yonke gambit kwaye ibalulekile kum ngoku.

Bendizakuthi mandihambe a Ilifa, kodwa akunjalo ngokwenene. Ibalulekile kuba iyafuneka. Kwaye ndihlala edolophini, bahlobo bam, ethe yachukumiseka kwikhaya, andikholelwa ukuba ndiye eLondon ndahlala eLondon.

Kodwa oku. Ndihlala esixekweni kwaye ukuba uya kwizixeko zangaphakathi kwaye awuboni nakuphi na okuluhlaza kwaye uziva ngathi ukhohlakele, ke kufanele ukuba senze okuthile ngayo.

I-70% yabemi baya kuhlala ezidolophini ngo-2050 kwaye kufuneka sibenze iindawo ezizinzileyo nezinempilo zokuhlala, ukusebenza kunye nokudlala. Izixeko apho zibalulekile, ziqhuba uqoqosho. Kulapho akhoyo amathuba. Yiyo loo nto ndize kwisixeko, kuba bendingazi ncam ukuba amathuba ayakuba yintoni na. Kodwa kulapho kwenzeka khona amathuba. Kubaluleke kakhulu ukwenza izixeko zethu zibe nempilo kwaye zilondolozeke ngakumbi kwaye zibe luhlaza. Kufuneka sizise izinto ezahlukeneyo eziphilayo kuba siza kuhlala apha kwaye sisebenza nzima kwindalo. Kufuneka senze indalo isebenze ezidolophini.

Ndicinga ukuba kukho intwana yezorhwebo ebalulekileyo nayo, kuba umceli mngeni usezidolophini. Zimbalwa iindawo zokulima, kodwa zininzi. Emhlabeni ngokuthe tye, kodwa ngokuthe nkqo kukho indawo eninzi. Ngoko ke. Lolo luhlobo lwecala loshishino. Ewe, sizifumana njani izityalo ukuba zisebenze kubungakanani be izakhiwo phezu kwezakhiwo? Ewe, ubukhulu bunzima ngakumbi. Ewe, kufuneka sibeke itekhnoloji encinci apho. Kufuneka sicinge. Kwaye kuyonwabisa kuba unako, unokuba nomdla wokurhweba, kwaye ukuba usombulula ingxaki enentsingiselo ngesisombululo esilula nesisebenzayo, ke, yiloo nto ke eyenza oosomashishini baphawule, kwaye yeyokulunga okukhulu. Andiqinisekanga ukuba sinokuthi siza kusindisa iplanethi ngokuzisa i-biodiversity encinci kwizixeko, kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo sinceda iindawo zokutyela zemfazwe. Ngoko ke ndicinga ukuba kukho impendulo encinci. Kodwa ukubaluleka kwento endiyenzayo kwahlukile kumanqanaba ahlukeneyo obomi bam, kodwa ngoku kubaluleke kakhulu kuba kufuneka senze njalo. Ukutshintsha kwemozulu yingxaki enkulu, kodwa ukunqongophala kwezinto eziphilayo ezahlukeneyo yingxaki enkulu. Ngaphandle kweentlobo-ntlobo zezityalo nezilwanyana eziphilayo, ngesingenako ukutya, ngesingenawo umoya ohlaziyayo okanye amanzi acocekileyo. Ke, inqaku lokugqibela kule nto, kukho indoda ebizwa ngokuba nguJonas Salk, ugqirha owaziwayo waseMelika wokugonyela. Sathi ukuba zonke izinambuzane zinokunyamalala kwiminyaka engama-50, bonke ubomi noMhlaba beziya kuphela. Ukuba besinokunyamalala kwiminyaka engama-50, isijikelezi-langa besiya kukhangeleka simangalisa. Kodwa umnqa kukuba ngesingekho apha ukuze sizonwabele.

[00:10:14] UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo, ngokupheleleyo. Kwaye malunga nokunyamalala kwezinambuzane, ndibe nehashe ngelishwa elaswelekayo ekupheleni konyaka ophelileyo, kodwa lalinathi ixesha elide ngaphambili. Kwaye ngokoqobo unyaka ngamnye, uvavanyo lomthwalo wesinambuzane yayileli hashe, kuba, uThixo wamsikelela, iimpukane zazimjikelezile ekuphakameni kwehlobo, kwaye unyaka ngamnye uyancipha ngakumbi. Ke, uyazi, siphila kweli xesha loyikeka kakhulu nelilucelomngeni, akunjalo?

[00:10:42] Angus Cunningham: Ewe. Ewe. Usakhumbula sisebancinci, Jackie? Ndiyazi ukuba umncinci kakhulu kunam.

[00:10:47] UJackie De Burca: Kakhulu, ngokupheleleyo.

[00:10:48] Angus Cunningham: Yayiyimpembelelo yesikrini somoya. Xa siqhuba naphi na, umfazi we-windscreen wayenemibala ngenxa ye-windscreen egcwele ingqiqo.

[00:10:57] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, yiyo leyo.

[00:10:59] U-Angus Cunningham: Xa uthetha ngasemva kwesikrini somoya, abantu abayazi into oyithethayo. Iyoyikisa. Noko ke, likho ithemba. Olu ayilodliwano-ndlebe olubi.

[00:11:07] UJackie De Burca: Hayi.

[00:11:08] Angus Cunningham: Indalo yomelele. Sidinga ukuyiyeka kwaye siyibuyisele ngaphakathi. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba likhona ixesha kuba siyayazi ngoku kwaye ngoyena mncinci kubantwana bam nabantwana babo abazakuba nethuba elikhulu, kodwa baya ufundile ngayo ngoku. Isizukulwana sethu sasinjalo. Saziva sisongelwa yindalo. Sika umva, usike, ulungelelanise imiphetho yamadolo, uyigxothe kwizixeko zethu. Isizukulwana, bendifana, siyizise, ​​siyingenise, siyayidinga.

[00:11:36] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, ngokupheleleyo. Ngoku. Ke lusuku nje oluqhelekileyo lweScotscape. Inokuba yintoni loo nto, Angus, okwangoku, ngoku unguye, uyazi, inguqulelo yeScott scape oyiyo kwezi ntsuku.

[00:11:47] Angus Cunningham: Owu, Thixo wam.

Bendisoloko ndisemncinci, ngoko ke ndinyuke ngo-5530.

Ingqondo yam isebenza kakuhle ngela xesha losuku. Ke ndingena emsebenzini, ndizama kwaye ndilungelelaniswe noko ndinako. Ishishini likhule kancinci, ngoko ke andibandakanyekanga ngokuthe ngqo. Ngaphandle kokuba yintloko, ndicinga ukuba, ishishini, umntu ongaphambili onomdla kunye nokuqhuba kwaye akoyiki ukubeka intloko phezu kweparapet kwi-LinkedIn.

Kufuneka ndilungelelane. Kukho iintlanganiso zabaphathi. Sizixhasa ngemali, ngoko ke kufuneka senze imali ukuze siphile. Asinayo inkampani enkulu elima imali eScottsdale ukuze siqhubeke kwaye ngomnye wemicelimngeni yethu enkulu leyo.

Kufuneka siqhube ishishini elinempumelelo ukuze senze okulungileyo esikwenzayo. Kwaye kulucelomngeni kakhulu. Ukuqhuba ishishini elinempumelelo.

Akukho lula xa unabasebenzi abaninzi, unemithetho emininzi, imimiselo emininzi.

Ndicinga ukuba xa ndibuzwa ngabanye abathatha isigqibo sokuhamba ngale ndlela yokuzisebenzela, njengoko ndisenza, ndicinga ngononophelo kuba ukuba bendisazi ukuba inokuba ngumceli mngeni kangakanani, ngendingazange ndiqalise.

Kodwa apho kwakhona, oko kuyafana kwiihambo ezininzi. Uqala uhambo, kufuneka ujongane nento ezayo. Kodwa ngokuqhuba ishishini, kufuneka uqale uhambe uyokufumana umsebenzi, ke oko kusemva kwakho. Emva koko kufuneka wenze umsebenzi ngenzuzo kwaye kufuneka uqokelele imali kwaye ukuba enye yezo zinto zintathu ayenzeki, unengxaki. Kwaye yiyo yonke into endiyichaza njengamacwecwe ekupheleni kwepali. Ngoko ke zonke ezo pleyiti kufuneka zijikeleze lonke ixesha. Ukuba enye yazo iyawa, ishishini lakho liya kuba semngciphekweni. Ngoko kunzima kwaye ujongene neenkwenkwezi ezininzi kwaye abantu kunye nabantu abaqikeleleki kwaye banemihla yonke emihle, baneentsuku ezimbi, ngoko ngumngeni kwaye ndiyacinga, ewe, ngoko nabani na. Oko kwathiwa, ndicinga ukuba nabani na unokuqhuba ishishini, kodwa ukwenza imali, ukuqhuba ishishini kuya kuphumelela kuphela xa uphelelwa yimali, kuba kulula ukwenza imisebenzi kunye nokulawula izinto kwaye wenze oko. Kodwa ukuba awenzi mali, awuyi kuba neshishini. Ngoko.

Kwaye ishishini liya kusilela kuphela ukuba alinayo imali.

Kwaye kunzima. Kunzima, kwaye kukhuphisana indawo, ukongeza nje. Phofu. Ke xa ndibuyela kwinto endiyenzayo, kufuneka ndilawule yonke le miba yahlukeneyo kwaye ndiqinisekise ukuba zonke ziyasebenza. Kwaye ukuba kukho a. Kwaye akukho ulwaneliseko lungako lomsebenzi kuloo nto, kuba uqhele ukuya apho kukho ingxaki kwaye apho kukho ingxaki, kukho iadrenaline. Kufuneka uhlobo ukucinga ukuba. Ndiyawuthanda umphambili. Ndiyakuthanda ukuthetha ngento esiyenzayo. Ndiyathanda ukwenza izinto ezintsha. Ndiyakuthanda ukuba ngusomashishini.

Ndiyathanda ukubona izinto, iimveliso zethu phaya zisenza kakuhle.

Yiyo ke leyo yin yam, yang yam isibindi seshishini. Kwaye ndiza kukuxelela ntoni, ngokuqhuba ishishini, njengoko ndifike kuma-60, awunawo amandla angako. Usomashishini ophumelelayo udinga umthwalo wamandla ngamaxesha onke, ngakumbi xa uqala ukubeka ezo pleyiti kwiipali. Awunakuvele uhlale phantsi kwaye uyivumele ukuba yenzeke. Kufuneka uqhubeke utyhala. Ke ndiyathemba ukuba ndiwuphendulile umbuzo, Jackie.

[00:15:24] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, hayi, igqibelele. Kwaye ndiyaqikelela ukuba yintoni endifuna ukuyenza ngoku, kuba ubunyaniseke kwaye ngokuthe ngqo malunga nobunyani babo kwaye, uyazi, nantoni na. Yonke into oyithethayo iyinyani ngokupheleleyo, Angus. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba into endingathanda ukuyenza kukugxila kwezinye iindawo ezintle zeshishini. Ukubeka nje i-nitty gritty kwicala elinye okwangoku. Kwaye masithethe ngomsebenzi wakho omnye okanye emibini kulo nyaka uphelileyo okanye emibini, okanye nantoni na ethi qatha engqondweni. Imisebenzi oyithandayo oyenzileyo. Makhe sithethe ngezo kwaye sigxile kwinto eyonwabisa kakhulu.

[00:15:57] Angus Cunningham: Iyatyala. Besiphila. Ndaqala ndafumana into yokuphila. Sidume ngeendonga zethu zokuhlala. Ngoku ngumnqweno wam lowo. Ngoko ke ukugcinwa kwegadi, ukulungiswa komhlaba kwezorhwebo, ugcino lwezorhwebo, siye sayeka xa singasakwenzi. Kwaye kusivumela ukuba sigxile ekuziseni iimveliso zethu ezintsha ezixekweni. Ngoko kwaqala ngeendonga eziphilayo. Kwaye sasithenga kwi-nursery ebizwa ngokuba yi-Aldenborn, izityalo ezininzi. Ndaze ndehla ndaya apho, lo. Sasixakene neprojekthi enkulu yokulungisa umhlaba, ngoko ndacinga ukuba ndihle ndiye kubabona ezantsi, kuba andizange ndidibane nabo ngokobuqu kule ndawo yokufundela abantwana. Kwaye wayenendawo encinane yokuhlala phezu kwesakhiwo sakhe. Ndacinga, owu, Thixo wam, ungabeka izityalo kwisakhiwo, kuba ngaphambi koko yayikukunyuka. Ubufuna ukubeka izityalo, watyala emhlabeni kwaye wenyuka.

Ndiyifumene le adrenaline ngokukhawuleza. Ndacinga, yinto engakholelekiyo leyo. Kwaye usomashishini wayehamba, ewe, unokwenza imali ngale nto. Yayingumdla wam ke lowo. Ngo-2008, bona, i-Audingborne yayizise le nkqubo isuka kuMntla Merika. Yayibizwa yinkampani, babizwa ngokuba yiteknoloji ye-landscape ephakamileyo, kwaye yayiyi iplastiki itreyini enezityalo kwaye wawugalela kuyo unkcenkceshelo. Izityalo zakhula. Ke oko kuvela ngo-2008 ukuza kuthi ga ngoku. Siye saba nayo. Siye sahamba, kodwa sisabandakanyeka kwiindonga zokuhlala. Sinenkqubo eyahlukileyo esisebenza ngayo. Kodwa eyona projekthi idadayo isikhephe sam kuxa sasihambahamba eLondon kunye neGrover, kwaye babenomdla wokufumana indawo eluhlaza kwindawo yabo yaseLondon ngokurhweba. Amaxabiso ezindlu aya kunyuka kwaye ingeniso yerenti iza kunyuka. Ke kukho i-engile yorhwebo, ngokucacileyo, eqhuba uninzi lweemveliso.

Kodwa uGrosvenor wayefuna ukubonwa, kwaye usafuna ukubonwa njengoyena mnini-mhlaba uluhlaza eLondon. Babeneehektare ezingama-300 zezindlu ezithengiswayo kumbindi weLondon. Elona candelo likrelekrele ukuya eLondon, ndicinga ukuba umbono wabo ibikukuthanda abakhweli abaphinda basebenzise indawo yethu eluhlaza ukuze baye phezulu imali eninzi kakhulu. Ngoko sasivuya kakhulu xa sihambahamba kwaye sibone apho sinokubeka khona iindonga zokuhlala. Imini yonke yokuhamba. Asikwazanga ukufumana i-wallace enye yokubeka uhlaza ngenxa yokuba kuluhlu lwamabhaso odonga lwetheko lokwakha ingxaki yokufumana amanzi kwizityalo, ingxaki yokufumana amanzi kude ukusuka ezantsi kakhulu. Zininzi kakhulu izakhiwo ezidala obungenokwazi ukubeka kuzo.

Ngoko saziva sidimazekile. Kodwa yayilixesha lokuba umzuzu weglowubhu uphume koko kuphelelwa lithemba, kuba sasimi kwisitrato esixakekileyo, sacinga ukuba, yinkunkuma le.

Awunakutyala kakade. Awunakutyala kwipavumente kuba indlela yabahambi ngeenyawo ibingabahambi ngeenyawo. Zininzi kakhulu iinkonzo phantsi kwamatye agangelwayo. Awunakutyala imiqolo kuba yeyezithuthi.

Owu, kukho isibane sesibane. Kwenzeka ntoni xa uthe wabeka isityalo phezu kwesibane? Kwaye ke wacinga, kuba inkqubo yethu esiyisebenzisayo ibizwa ngokuba yi-phytotextile, lilaphu. Ngoko bhetyebhetye kakhulu. Ewe, ewe, singayisonga sijikeleze isibane. Kwaye kwenzeka ntoni ukuba sibeka itanki emazantsi size siyisonge sijikeleze isibane? Kanye, ngoko ke amanzi ehleli apho kwaye sinokuwapompa phezulu kwaye ingcamango yahlwayelwa.

Kwaye ukusuka apho, savelisa ingcamango yethu ebizwa ngokuba yintsika ephilayo. Kwaye yenzelwe ukuhamba kwizibane, ukutyala okuzinzileyo kwexesha elide, kuxhotyiswa yilanga ngetekhnoloji kuyo. Bubuchwephesha esibusebenzisa kwiindonga eziphilayo. Ayisiyotekhnoloji entsha kraca, kodwa amandla elanga yinto entsha. Ngoko sinokunxibelelana nesithuba sesibane kwaye sinokuqinisekisa ukuba iindawo zifumana umlinganiselo ochanekileyo wamanzi. AI, okanye isoftware ekrelekrele elawula inkqubo yokunkcenkceshela. Ngenxa yokuba imozulu yesixeko ayihambelani nesityalo esilungileyo impilo, kufuneka ubeke amanzi ngexesha elifanelekileyo kunye nomlinganiselo ofanelekileyo. Ngoko kwazalwa ingcamango yentsika ephilayo. Kwaye ndiyayithanda nje. Ndiyayithanda kuba ivelisa izinto ezintsha, ineshishini, isombulula ingxaki.

Ngokuqinisekileyo azikho ukuba zitshintshe imithi. Ndi hugger umthi. Ndaphuma malunga noku malunga neminyaka elishumi eyadlulayo, ndakhwela imithi emininzi ebomini bam. Ndiyayithanda imithi. Kodwa umceli mngeni ngowokuba awukwazi ukutyala imithi ezixekweni okanye kwizixeko ezithile, kuba akukho ndawo kwipavumente yokuyityala. Kwaye ngaphezu koko, amabhunga akhathazeke kakhulu ngomonakalo weengcambu, njl njl. Ke, imithi ingumthunzi omangalisayo wekhreyithi onokufunxa ngco liseko kodwa intsika ephilileyo mayimiswe apho ungenakutyala khona imithi. Kwaye kwiliso lengqondo yam, ndine-biodiversity corridor. Isixeko ngasinye siyilwe malunga neendlela kunye nezothutho. Zonke iindlela zinezibonda zezibane.

Ke ukuba unokubeka ukutyala ixesha elide kwizibonda zezibane, ungadibanisa izithuba eziluhlaza, ungazisa ezinye zeendawo zasemaphandleni. Kwaye xa ndisithi ipaseji yezinto ezahlukahlukeneyo, andithethi ukuba iinqu ezirhuqa ezitratweni. Sithetha izilwanyana ezingenamqolo, i-pollinators kunye neentaka ziya kubalandela, kwaye sibonise ukuba isiqingatha singenzeka. Kodwa, ewe, ngoko ke ii-invertebrates zinokusebenzisa isibane njengezikhululo zokutya, esinye izikhululo zenkonzo. Kodwa ekuqaliseni kwam ishishini eLondon, ndenza iingobozi ezijingayo eVictoria kwaye ndijinga ngeenxa zonke kwiimbiza, kwaye yayiyimali entle kunye nolonwabo olukhulu, kwaye ndingumlandeli.

Kwaye ingobozi ejingayo yindlela entsha kakhulu yokuzisa uhlaza kwindawo ethile apho ungenakutyala khona. Kwaye bahlala ngonaphakade. Kwaye abazali bam bawabeka, ngendlela engaqhelekanga, kwilali yethu encinci.

Kodwa xa ufika kwizinto eziphilayo, azikho nto intle, kuba izityalo zitshintshwa kanye okanye kabini ngonyaka. Ngoko ke naziphi na izilwanyana ezingenamqolo ezenza umjikelo wobomi, ziyabulawa xa izityalo zitshintsha. Ukuba unako ukugcina ukutyala ixesha elide, oko kukuthi, kwipali yesibane, okanye kwisiza sokwakha. Akunyanzelekanga ukuba ibe yipali yesibane.

Ungakhuthaza i-invertebrates ukuba ihlale apho. Ngokubeka ukutyala okungapheliyo ngokuchasene nokutyalwa ngonyaka kwipasti yesibane, ufumana uluhlu olubanzi lwee-pollinators kwaye oko kubalulekile. Ngoko.

Kwaye ke imijikelo yobomi inokwenzeka. Thina. Sixhoma iibhokisi zezinambuzane kunye neentaka kwiintsika eziphilayo. Ngumyalezo omkhulu eluntwini. Yiloo nto abayiyo, kodwa kunye nokusetyenziswa kwabo. Ngoko, um. Oko. Ibali elide ke apho, kodwa elinomdla ngokupheleleyo ngalo. Sasi. Siye saqhagamshelwa libhaso le-Earthshot, ukhuphiswano lweNkosana uWilliam, owacebisa ukuba sizibeke phambili, esele siyenzile. Ngoko ke siza kulinda ukuva ngo-2024. Kwaye ngokurhweba, sibhalise uphawu kwaye sinelungelo elilodwa lomenzi wechiza lamazwe ngamazwe elilindileyo.

[00:23:03] UJackie De Burca: Unayo yamazwe ngamazwe yintoni?

[00:23:05] Angus Cunningham: Patent ilindile.

[00:23:06] Jackie De Burca: Brilliant.

[00:23:07] Angus Cunningham: Sifake isicelo. Kuthatha ngonaphakade. Ilungelo elilodwa lomenzi wechiza libonakala lintsonkothile kakhulu, ngakumbi emva kwe-Covid, kweli lizwe letekhnoloji, kuba sinelungelo elilodwa lomenzi wobugcisa obuthile obubandakanyekayo ekugcineni izityalo ezisempilweni.

Ngoko kuyavuyisa kuba ke uyasibona isizathu sokuba iyonwabisa. Singenza imali ngayo, sinokuzisa i-biodiversity, singakwazi ukusombulula ingxaki.

Kwaye ndikhangeleka ndimhle, Jackie, emva kwayo yonke le minyaka yokuba ngumlimi.

[00:23:38] Jackie De Burca: Brilliant. Ngoku, Angus, kuthekani malunga nomdlalo wezityalo nezilwanyana ezohlukeneyo? Kuba uthetha ngokucacileyo malunga, uyazi, amathuba akho kunye nento oyenzileyo.

Ngaba ukhe wangena kuloo nto? Kuba, kulungile, ziintsuku zangaphambili, kodwa sinezisombululo zobuchwepheshe, sinezinto ezininzi, ezinje, abantu abaxhalabileyo malunga nokuba kuzakwenzeka njani konke, kodwa, uyazi, mhlawumbi unganceda nalapho.

[00:24:02] Angus Cunningham: Ewe. Inkulu kakhulu kwimarike yethu, inkulu Inzuzo eshiyekileyo yezinto eziphilayo. Kodwa kwabo bangayaziyo, ngoku ngumthetho othi ukuba umakhi uphuhlisa isiza somhlaba, kufuneka babonise ukuba baya kwandisa i-biodiversity yeso siza somhlaba ubuncinane be-10. % ngaphezulu kweminyaka engama-35, khumbula. Ngoko banexesha elide lokuyenza. Ubuncinci be-$0.10. Abayi kufumana imvume yocwangciso ngaphandle kokuba banokubonisa ukuba bayakwazi ukwandisa i-biodiversity inzuzo yet kweso siqwenga somhlaba. Amanye amabhunga athi i-20%, iyamangalisa. Kodwa yintoni ingxaki yabo, ngoku bayabaleka becinga, oh, Nkosi yam, siza kuyenza njani lento?

Ukuba ucinga ngako, ukuba unomkhondo womhlaba oziimitha ezingama-20 nge-20 yeemitha, uya kubeka isakhiwo kwi-90% yaloo mhlaba. Ke intwana eshiyekileyo, kufuneka unyuse i-biodiversity nge-100% kuba ukhuphe uxande olukhulu embindini. Ngoko ke ngumngeni kwi ababhekisi.

Baneendlela ezintathu zokukhetha. Enye, bafaka eluhlaza kweso siza sikwisakhiwo, esingqonge isakhiwo, bayathenga iikhredithi zezinto ezahlukeneyo zebhayoloji kwibhunga, kurhulumente, nto leyo ethetha ukuba bahlawula imali eninzi kakhulu, kwaye urhulumente emva koko achithe imali yakhe kwiprojekthi yezityalo nezilwanyana ezohlukeneyo, okanye baphume kwiikhredithi zesiza apho bathenga isiqwenga somhlaba kwindawo ethile emaphandleni kwaye babonise ukuba iintlobo-ntlobo zezityalo nezilwanyana abangakwaziyo ukuzifaka kuphuhliso lwabo zinokwenzeka ngenene kweso siza somhlaba. Kodwa ndifumana, ke, njengoko unokucinga, kukhulu kwishishini lethu, kuba sonke sathetha ngayo, kodwa ngaphandle kokuba abaphuhlisi banentonga ebukhali ebaphakamisa ixesha elide, abakaze bayenze kuba ibiza imali. Abenzi nto ingako kwaye abaninizabelo babo bayacaphuka. Ke inkulu kwishishini lethu kwaye kanye le nto ibifuneka, kwaye kanye ngexesha lokukhohlisa.

Ke leyo yinzuzo yebhayoloji eshiyekileyo, eyona nto ibangela uhlaza ezidolophini. Ndicinga ukuba iyantlukwano yebhayoloji ininzi yangaphandle kweedolophu, kuba ukuba umphuhlisi uyaphuhla edolophini, kukho i-biodiversity encinci kakhulu apho ukuqala ngayo. Ngoko abanako. Banomsebenzi olula, uyazi, bewunyusa nge-10%. Isenokupheka intwana yokutyala. Ke kwiidolophu, sinomba wohlaza wasezidolophini, oluhlobo oluthile lwenzuzo eshiyekileyo yezinto eziphilayo, eyimilinganiselo, enokulinganiswa. Ke kukho inkqubo yokufumana amanqaku kunye ne-metric. Imalunga neendawo zokuhlala kunye nohlaza kunye neendawo eziluhlaza kunye neentlobo zohlaza. Umzekelo, ukuba ubeka i-auspicial lawn, awufumani manqaku. Ukuba ubeka i-wildfire meadow, ufumana, ndicinga ukuba u-0.7 we-.1 ubuninzi. Ubeka imithi okanye amanzi, hayi into yamanzi. Ngechibi lomakhi weklorini, ufumana indawo ephezulu. Ke kukho inkqubo yokukora. Ke leyo yeyona nto siyifumana ngakumbi nangakumbi kwihlabathi lethu lezityalo nezilwanyana ezohlukeneyo kunye nokufa koodade. Ugxininiso kwi-oven eluhlaza factor. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba i-grail engcwele kukuba uthi kumphuhlisi ufuna uphuhliso kunye, uthi, ukuba wenza oku, oku kunye noku, nantsi inqaku lakho, ungalwenza uphuhliso lwakho. Baza kuthi, ewe, hamba.

Kwaye nantso igrail engcwele iguqula iintsika zethu zokuhlala ezintsha okanye iindonga zokuhlala zibe ngamanqaku. Oko kuyanceda. Kwaye ndiyatsho, ukuba nabani na ufuna ingcebiso ngomsebenzi, yiba yi-ecologist okanye umntu wezityalo. Bendiza kuthi umntu wezityalo, umntu wezityalo.

Ukwazi izityalo zakho kunye nento abayenzayo kunjalo ngeentsuku zokuqala ze-Scotscape, xa sasinomjikelo wokulondolozwa kunye nezixhobo kwiityhubhu, ndachaza ngaphambili sangena kwi-landscaping yezorhwebo ukuze umthuthukisi afumane imvume yokubeka i-landscaping up. I umyili womhlaba ingazoba ingca, umthi, isihlahla, kwaye oko kuya kwanela. Ngoku siye sabuzwa ukuba ingakanani initrogen dioxide ebanjwa zezo zityalo? Zingakanani iintlobo-ntlobo zezinto eziphilayo ezizizisayo? Zixabisa malini ukuzigcina? Ingakanani ikhabhoni ehluziweyo, mangaphi amasuntswana afunxayo? Ijongeka njani ngeli xesha? Yintoni enkulu? Ngokuqinisekileyo. Kwaye kunjalo kwaye kufanelekile. Ke ingeniso yebhayoloji eyohlukeneyo ibe kukudutyulwa kweadrenaline kwingalo yohlaza kwizixeko. Kumnandi kakhulu kwishishini lethu. Kodwa ndiyongeza, sinolawulo lokusingqongileyo, lwentlalo, olululo. Kwakhona inkulu, ingakumbi i-e, i-esingqongileyo, intlalontle, ingqesho yendawo. Ke ukuba ubeka i-fancy green kwaye ifuna ukunkcenkceshelwa, ke ufumana umsebenzi oya apho. Ubume be-B Corp ngomnye, omnye umgangatho malunga nokuzinza. Kodwa uyazi ukuba ndicinga ntoni, Jackie? Oyena mqhubi mkhulu ngumthengi. Kwaye ke umakhi ubeka isakhiwo kwaye uthi, owu, andinakubeka naluphi na uhlaza apha. Kuya kufuneka ndiyenze ngaphandle kwendawo. Andiqondi ukuba abantu bazakungena kuba befuna ukuba kufutshane nohlaza. Ke umqhubi omkhulu nguwe kunye nam, abo bathatha isigqibo malunga nokuba bafuna ukubandakanyeka okanye bathenge ntoni. Kwaye ukuba kukho okuluhlaza ngakumbi apho, kunokwenzeka ukuba uthenge. Ndicinga ukuba umphuhlisi uyayazi loo nto.

[00:29:15] UJackie De Burca: Le yinto endikhe ndaxoxa ngayo nezinye iindwendwe, eneneni, ngokwembali, uyazi, ukuba nomhlaba unxulunyaniswa nobutyebi kunye nempilo.

Kwaye ngoku ngengxaki yemeta esiphila kuyo ngoku, abantu ababengenalo ulwazi malunga noku, bayayiqonda ngokwenene. Ngoko kunqweneleka kakhulu. Ngoko uchaneke ngokupheleleyo. Kwaye ngoku, bNG isebenza kuphela kwi eNgilani ukususela 12 February 2024. Ewe, njengoko ndiyazi kwiindwendwe kunye nokubona nje izinto kwi-intanethi njalo njalo, kukho ihlabathi elibukeleyo eNgilani ukuze libone ukuba le nto iza kuhamba njani. Into oyithethileyo malunga nohlaza ezidolophini, ngokucacileyo, ubukhulu becala, kubaluleke kakhulu ngokunjalo. Ngoko ifana newotshi kwesi sithuba, ngokwenene, akunjalo?

[00:30:02] Angus Cunningham: Kunjalo, ewe. ISingapore iphambi kwegophe kunye neGreen yaseMoscow kwaye ujonge.

Kodwa ndiye ndaxelelwa kungekudala kakhulu ngasentshona, senza umsebenzi omncinci kunye neWestminster kwaye sizama ukuhlala eWestminster, ukuba zonke izixeko ezikhulu zijongana kwaye zibone ukuba baphezu kwantoni na. Ndicinga ukuba yiNew York, eParis, eMilan, eTokyo naseLondon. Andaz. Andazi ukuba babevela phi, aba bahlanu abakhulu. Kwaye bonke bajongana bathi, wenza ntoni ukwenza umahluko? Wenza ntoni? Ke kukho intwana ye-ego apho ngokubhekiselele kuyo. Hayi, sineyona ndlela ibalaseleyo yokuzisa uhlaza, kwaye lukhuphiswano olulungileyo, olusempilweni. Ingakumbi. SiseLondon, embindini wehlabathi. Akufunekanga ndiyithethe loo nto. Ukuba ngummi waseSkotlani.

Ndiyavuma. Kudala ndilapha.

Kumbuzo wokugqibela. I-Biodiversity net game kwi-greenhouse ye-B Corp yobume bendawo, ulawulo lokusingqongileyo kunye noluntu. Ngokukhawuleza nje, kwi, kwi ESG, thina. Ndinento entle. Abadlali abakhulu, iinkampani, oku luhlobo lokuchukumisa ukumitha eluhlaza, bafuna ukubonwa ukuba benza uhlaza. Kwaye inkampani iya kuhlala ingenagama. Kodwa ndiyazi umntu ophakamileyo kakhulu kwinkampani eyenza izinto, iihempe zomenzi. Wathi kum, uyayazi into endiyenzayo. Wathi, oh, siluhlaza ngokwenene.

Sityala umthwalo wemithi. Ndacinga, oko kuhle. Ndiyayithanda imithi.

Kwenzekani? Ndixelele ngayo. Wathi, kulungile, sihlawula inkampani phaya ukuba ityale imithi eMzantsi Melika.

Ndathi, uyenzela ntoni loo nto? Bathe, kulungile, kuba kubiza kakhulu kwaye sifumana i-bang eninzi ngeerandi zethu. Kwaye kutheni ungazityali kweli lizwe? Bonkers.

Batshintshile kancinci. Kwaye ke siye sabandakanyeka kwezinye izinto. Ngoko. Kwaye baya kuhlala bengenamagama. Ndacinga ukuba le yimekobume. Ulawulo lwentlalo lubaluleke kakhulu. Iimarike zezemali ziya kuba lula ukuba zithathele ingqalelo kwaye zityale imali kumntu onomgangatho ophezulu we-esg. Ke ndicinga ukuba ngoyena mqhubi mkhulu wabadlali abakhulu abafuna ukuba luhlaza. Ndithi kulomfo kutheni ungatyali imithi ezikolweni? Ngenxa yokuba iScottsdale ibandakanyeka kwi-microforests, ekusebenziseni indlela ye-Miyawaki. Kukwiwebhusayithi yethu apho utyala khona imithi exineneyo ngokulungiswa komhlaba ngobuchule. Sithathe utyelelo olunye, eneneni isengqiqweni, itekhnoloji ephantsi. Nje ukuba uyityalile, uyahamba kwaye ubaleka. Ndathi, kutheni ungatyali i-microforest ezikolweni? Ngenxa yokuba i-microforerest sayityala e-Islington, safumana isikolo esibandakanyekayo sokutyala imithi kunye nokubeka iintshulube phakathi kwesixeko. Abantwana babeyithanda.

Ngokuba, ukuba wena, nkosi corporate, uthi, owu, ndichitha yonke le mali eMzantsi Melika, asifumani nzuzo kuyo. Kwaye ngokusisiseko, njengoko ndikuxelela, ukuphawula ibhokisi, ukuba utyale esikolweni, sinokufundisa abantwana besikolo. Ufumana ihlathi kwisixeko esingaphakathi kuba ezi amahlathi inokuba yinkundla yentenetya ubungakanani okanye incinci kancinci.

Ufumana yonke ikhabhoni. Hayi, imithi mikhulu, njengoko sisazi. Asifuni ukutyala umthi. Unayo. Wonke umntu uyaphumelela. Abantwana bayafundiswa. Uya kubonwa ukuba uyabuyisela. Uya kubonakala usenza okulungileyo.

Sifaka imithi emininzi. Siya. Kwaye emva koko usebenzisa isuntswana lesoftware ebizwa ngokuba yimithi yamehlo, asetyenziswa ngusodolophu waseLondon, ungabonelela ngayo yonke le datha malunga nokuba ingakanani into entle eyenziwa yimithi ekubambiseni amasuntswana afunxa ikharbon, ukulandelela initrogen dioxide, ukulandelela icarbon monoxide, yonke igambit. Kwaye kunjalo. Ewe, andazi, kuyakhathaza. Enkulu.

Andizukutshintsha ingqondo yeshishini elikhulu, kodwa akukho ngqiqweni kum ukwenza konke okulungileyo. Ngokucacileyo, banokuza bayenze eSpain. Jackie, ndiyazi ukuba unomdla okhoyo kwiindawo zaseSpain, ke. Kodwa hayi, ngokunzulu, bubudenge nje.

Yichithe imali yakho kweli lizwe.

[00:34:05] UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ngoku, umbuzo omnye, Angus, othi qatha engqondweni yam kukuba kutheni usebenza ezidolophini kuphela?

[00:34:15] Angus Cunningham: Ewe, umbuzo olungileyo.

Ndicinga ukuba impendulo emfutshane kukuba, ndihlala apha kwaye ndiyazingca.

Ndihlala apha. Ndihlala kwenye, ndihlala eLondon.

Ndingumfana wasemaphandleni kwiminyaka yam yokukhula de ndaneminyaka engama-20 ubudala, xa ndandisiya eLondon, ndachithelwa kwiindawo eziphakamileyo ezisemazantsi, iinduli zabalindi ezinqumla eSkotlani. Kwaye ndandisoloko ndizibona njengomphathi wezindlu ngaloo mihla, ukugawula imithi kwajika kwayityala. Izixeko kulapho bendikukhankanyile oku ekuqaleni apho uninzi lwabemi lukhula nalapho ndihlala khona, apho akhoyo amathuba. Baqhuba uqoqosho, ngoko babaluleke ngokwenene. Kwaye abantu bayakhula kwaye oko kukhula kuya ezidolophini. Ngoko ayizizo iindawo ezilungileyo zokuhlala ukumoshwa komoya imbono kunye nendawo yokujonga uhlaza. Sisebenza ke ezidolophini kuba kulapho amathuba akhoyo. Kulapho siya kufumana eyona i-bang yebhokisi yethu kwaye senze umahluko ngokukhawuleza.

Kwaye iphawula iibhokisi zam ezintsha kunye nezorhwebo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba ezilalini kukho omnye umngeni omkhulu. Ngomnye wethu, kwaye ukuba sizinweba kakhulu, asiyi ndawo. Kodwa, ewe, ilizwe lingomnye umceli mngeni. Ngoko ke sizinze esixekweni.

Kulapho sisebenza khona nalapho sinokwenza okona kulungileyo ngokukhawuleza.

[00:35:42] UJackie De Burca: Besithethile ngeentsika zakho eziphilayo, kodwa unazo ezinye izinto ezintsha. Angus, uyafuna ukuthetha ngazo.

[00:35:49] U-Angus Cunningham: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba i-microforest endisandula ukuyikhankanya inkulu kum kuba isebenzisa itekhnoloji ephantsi kwaye ithetha ukutyala imithi, endiyithandayo. Kwaye khumbula abasebenzi bethu abasungula izinto ezintsha, nangona idibana nam kwishishini kwaye yenza okuninzi okulungileyo, kuya kufuneka siqalise izinto ezintsha kuba akukho mithi yamaxolo asentshona, kodwa apho unekona yepaki okanye indawo eluhlaza ungatyala. Ndithetha ukuthi, igama elithi ihlathi liyinto yothando, akunjalo? Kodwa abanjalo. Zibizwa ngokuba ngama-microforests, kodwa ngokwenene zingama-copses okanye i-spinnies yemithi, ehlala ingabi nkulu kunobukhulu benkundla yentenetya. Ufumana yonke i-ecology ikhula kubungakanani benkundla yentenetya. Sisebenzisa indlela ye-miawaki. Akira Miyawaki, kancinane njengoPatrick Blanc, yayiyeyodonga oluhlalayo. Usomashishini otyhale imida. U-Akira Miyawaki watyhala izinto zomda. Uhlobo lomsebenzi wakhe kwiraison d'etre yokuba kulo mhlaba yayikukufumana imithi ikhule kakuhle kumhlaba ombi kakhulu. Kwaye wavelisa indlela yokutyala imithi esondelelene kakhulu. Wayedla ngokugrumba loo ndawo ezantsi mhlawumbi ukuya kutsho kwi-500 mil, 50 kwimali endala, afumane ukutya okubolileyo kwasekuhlaleni okunqunyulweyo, akubeke emazantsi, awubuyisele umva wonke umhlaba, atyale imithi emincinane kakhulu ngokusondeleleneyo, awugqume ngawo. Yayingumququ ngezo mini onokuwusebenzisa. Sebenzisa i-mulch yamaxolo kwaye emva koko uyiyeke. Mayithathe indawo yendalo. Kwaye oko. Yandichukumisa ke loo nto kuba ndiyenzile ekhaya. Ndiye ndaxhoma iiphaneli ezihlala eludongeni kwicala lepropathi yam kunye ne-compost ecociweyo yengqolowa apho kwaye ndathi, indalo, vele uye kwenza ntoni, wenze okubi kakhulu ngayo. Kwaye ndine cherry imithi ekhulayo kuyo. Ndineeferns. Ndinoluhlu olubanzi lwento esinokuyibiza ngokuba lukhula. Yiloo nto. Owu, hayi, ndiyacinga.

Kodwa iluhlaza. Ke indalo iwise uhlaza ngaphakathi. Ke nge-microforest, yinto enye. Sikhaba isiqalo indalo. Luhlobo lwedolophu ukuphinda ndixakeke okanye ukulungisa isixeko. Kwaye ukubuyisela kwakhona lugqatso oluqala nge-sprint. Ngoko ubeka amandla amaninzi ukuze utyale umthi, kwaye emva koko uyeke ukuba kube njalo. Uvumela nje ukuba indalo ithathe indawo. Ke i-twist senze uhlobo lweshishini, into entsha esiyenzileyo nge-microforest yethu. Asiwombi umhlaba kuba loo nto ifuna umsebenzi onzima. Ikhupha ikhabhoni emoyeni kwaye iyabiza. Ke into esiyenzileyo, kwaye kwakhona, awukwazi ukuya kwiwebhusayithi yethu kwaye ujonge. Sinetyala isifundo. Sifaka umoya woxinzelelo oluphezulu kwindawo ukuqhekeza umhlaba ongaphantsi. Emva koko usebenzisa inaliti efanayo, inaliti yokutofa. Yindlela yokusebenzisa. Ukuthontelana ukujikeleza imithi ukunceda ukusasazeka kweengcambu. Ngoko ke ukusebenzisa inaliti efanayo kuyakumpompa kwi-biochar, izondlo eziphilayo kunye ne-mycorrhiza. Kwaye baya kugcina iintanda zivulekile kwaye zibonelele ngazo zonke izinto ezilungileyo ezifunwa lihlathi, lifuna. Kwaye emva koko siza kusasaza ubunzulu obumalunga ne-150 mil yeminerali kunye nomhlaba ongaphezulu otyebileyo kwindawo yonke. Ngoko ke akukho kugrunjwa. Kwaye kuloo maleko uphezulu womhlaba, onkeneke kakhulu kwaye kulula ukuwutyala kuwo, sityala imithi ekhule kwiiseli.

Ngoku, kukho izizathu ezininzi zaloo nto, kodwa eyona nto iphambili kukuba sinezinga eliphezulu lempumelelo ngemithi ekhulayo yeeseli kuba iingcambu azonakalanga.

Okwesibini, sinako.

[00:39:15] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, manditsibe apho. Makhe nditsibele apho, Angus. Igama laloo mithi, kwakhona, iseli yakhula.

[00:39:20] Angus Cunningham: Ke bakhulile. Yindlela yokukhulisa imithi. Zikhuliswe kwiimbiza ezincinci, njengebhokisi yeqanda.

[00:39:28] UJackie De Burca: Kulungile?

[00:39:28] Angus Cunningham: Basuka kwi-intshi ezintandathu ukuya kwishumi elinambini ubude, kwaye iingcambu ziqulethwe kweli qanda lincinci. Yiba nomfanekiso webhokisi yeqanda enesithandathu esikhulayo, kwaye uwukhuphe umthi, ukuze zonke iingcambu zijikeleze kwinyanda encinci, aziyonto. Unokuzikhuphela kwi. Ngokucacileyo baphose apho. Ndadala kakhulu, iminyaka yam. Yiphose nje apho, yikhuphele kwibhokisi, uyityale kumhlaba ongaphezulu.

Kwaye abantwana bangakwenza oko kuba awutyali kudongwe olunzima okanye usebenzisa umhlakulo omkhulu. Kwaye ngumsebenzi onzima. Utyala imithi emincinci ibe i-intshi ezine ukuya kwezintandathu zomhlaba ongaphezulu. Ke ngoku. Ngoko sizityala ngokusondeleyo kunye, ngokufanayo nendlela yeMiyawaki. Ukukhuthaza ukhuphiswano, bantwana, sazisa iintshulube kwesi sifundo sithile sase-Islington, kwaye ngamnye wabantwana wavela umbungu. Loo nto yaphinda yavela. Faka intshulube emthini.

Kuba ukuba sisenza konke oku kulunga kwaye silungiselele ukulungiselela, kufuneka ubeke iintshulube apho ukuze imijikelo ihambe, ukugcina. Gcina umoya ungena kwinto, thatha ukulunga ukusuka phezulu ukuhla, ukuze indalo, njengoko nditshoyo, yi-sprint elandelwa yi-marathon. Kwaye emva kokuba siyityalile imithi, siya kugquma yonke.

Kuloo projekthi, ndabuyela emva kwiinyanga ezintandathu kamva kwaye eminye imithi yayikhule yangaphezu kweemitha ezintandathu ubude.

Kodwa kwakungaphezulu koko. Isixa se. Kwaye sayibiyela sisebenzisa ucingo lwe-chestnut. Ubungakanani bohlaza obuhluma phakathi kwemithi, bufana ne-oasis eluhlaza kwikona ye-. Ayiyiyo eyona paki inomtsalane, yiPaki yabahambi bezinja.

Emva konyaka, imithi ingaphezu kweemitha ezi-2 ubude. Ngoko akukholeleki nje ukuba wena. Kwaye sinje. Konke esikuthethayo kukuba sibuyisela le bit kwindalo.

Sityala i-canopy ephezulu, i-canopy ephakathi kunye ne-canopy imithi ephantsi kunye nophahla lomhlaba. Ke kukho ingcinga encinci, kodwa akukho ngcinga eninzi apho babekwe khona. Ke ngoko sixuba ngokoqobo kwaye sibatshatise kuyo yonke indawo. Tyala ngokusondeleyo kunye. Kuya kubakho ukungaphumeleli, kodwa kukho ukhuphiswano kwaye yiyo loo nto imithi ikhula ngokukhawuleza kwaye yiloo nto eyenzekayo kwindalo.

[00:41:44] UJackie De Burca: Iyamangalisa loo nto.

[00:41:46] Angus Cunningham: Kwicala lesakhiwo sam, uthi, ndiza kukunika isiza, ndiza kukunika isiqalo.

[00:41:51] UJackie De Burca: Iyamangalisa loo nto. Ngoku, xa sibuyela kwiwebhusayithi yakho, ngokuqinisekileyo siya kuyongeza kwiphepha lesiqendu I kunye nabalawuli bepodcast kunye nalo lonke uhlobo lwezinto. Kodwa kwabo bamameleyo, njengesikhumbuzo, yiScotscape kwaye yicodot yase-UK okanye yintoni endinayo kanye?

[00:42:10] U-Angus Cunningham: Ibali elihlekisayo, kuba ukuqala kwam, ndandingenalwazi. Ukufika kwam eLondon kwaza kwafika iScottsgate, nathi sasingomnye umntu ogama linguRichie, yaye sasihlala phezu kwegaraji emazantsi eLondon. Clapham. Ewe. Kukho elinye ibali indlela esifike ngayo apho. Kufana neshedi enkulu yegaraji yee-panel beaters. Wathi umninimzi kum, Ndifuna ukukuthumelela i-invoyisi. Ndathi, yintoni i-invoyisi? Ndandingazi. Unyanisekile Jackie andizazi ukuba ndifike njani kulendawo ndifike kuyo. Ngamanye amaxesha kwakufuneka ndithumele i-invoyisi. Yintoni lo nto? Ndathi, ibiliphepha elithi, unetyala kum. Ndathi, ndikutyala malini? Wathi, rent. Kulungile, kulungile. Ke ndiyifumana inkqubo, kodwa kufuneka ndenze i-invoyisi kumntu othile. Ngaba ndiya kuyenza? Kwaye ngelo xesha, sasingenalo igama, nangona sasisenza isitiya sethu esikhulu. Kwaye wathi, ke, nobabini ningabenzi bomhlaba baseScotland, kutheni singanibizi nje ngokuba nguScott Scape?

[00:43:03] UJackie De Burca: Owu, ukrelekrele.

[00:43:06] Angus Cunningham: Ungachitha yonke le mali ekuthengiseni kwaye oku kunye naleya, kodwa leya.

[00:43:09] UJackie De Burca: Ngekuxabisa amawaka kwi-arhente.

Uqaqambileyo. Ke yeyiphi imingeni, Angus, ojongene nayo ngoku nini ukudibanisa ezi zisombululo ziluhlaza kwindawo yakho yasezidolophini, ngakumbi xa kuziwa kwizinto ezithandwayo uzinzo kunye nokugcinwa.

[00:43:25] Angus Cunningham: Ewe.

Imiceli mngeni kukuvunywa kwabaxumi baloo nto uyenzayo kunye nesiqinisekiso sokuba baya kugqiba isifundo.

Kwaye ke kufuneka ukhuphisane kuba kukho ezinye iinkampani zasebukhosini ezihlala phaya.

Asinayo imonopoly, sineentsika ezaneleyo, kodwa hayi kwindlela yethu yokuhlala eludongeni. Ngoko ke yindawo yorhwebo. Ke, ewe, unzima, lo mgaqo, njengoko benditshilo ngaphambili, imithetho kunye nemithetho. Ke, ewe, ndicinga ukuba owona mceli mngeni mkhulu kukubeka izityalo zakho, uqinisekisa ukuba zigcinwe ngokuchanekileyo kwaye ziqhuba ishishini elinikezela ngenkonzo, kuba ukuqhuba nawaphi na amashishini, ukusebenza nzima.

Ndicinga ukuba omnye umceli mngeni, xa uzisa iimveliso ezintsha emarikeni, oko ibe ligophe lokufunda kum, kuba awuqali nje ngequbuliso ngemveliso entsha. Ngeentsika eziphilayo, kukho iminyaka emihlanu yophando kunye nophuhliso. Kubekho into esiyibiza ngokuba yi-intelligent failures, apho kufuneka uzame izinto, ubone ukuba azisebenzi, zama enye into. Kwaye yonke loo nto iphuma kwimali yakho.

Akukho mntu ukunika imali.

Kukho iikhredithi zerhafu ezivela kwingeniso, ngokuqinisekileyo, kodwa. Kodwa oko kwenzeka kwiminyaka embalwa kamva. Kufuneka ukhuphe imali ukwenza oku. Kwaye ukuba awenzi mali njengeshishini, nokuba wonwabe kangakanani okanye uyithanda kangakanani imveliso yakho, ayizukuya ndawo ngenxa yokuba awunamali yokufaka kuyo. Ke ndicinga ukuba oko, kum, ngowona mceli mngeni mkhulu kuba ngumnqweno wam ukufumana iindlela ezikrelekrele zokuzisa uhlaza. Kodwa xa ungenayo imali yokuyiphuhlisa naxa ufuna imali, kodwa' Kufuneka uhlawule ababoneleli bakho kwaye ishishini lakho liza kuqala, kuyakhathaza kakhulu. Ke ndiyacinga, ngokobuqu, ngowona mceli mngeni wam mkhulu. Ndinqwenela ukuba bekukho umxhasi osisityebi phaya othi, ewe, thanda into oyenzayo. Ewe, amakhulu amawaka amaxesha, hamba uye kusindisa iplanethi.

Utopia kum, ukuba kukho umntu omaziyo, Jackie.

[00:45:36] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, uyibeke phaya ngoku, awusoze wazi, ngokucacileyo, uAngus, soze wazi.

Ngendlela efanayo, ukulungiswa kwakhona kwizakhiwo. Ngokuqinisekileyo kufuneka kubekho endleleni. Ndiyazi ukuba akukudalanga. Sirekhoda embindini ka-Agasti 2024. Akukudalanga sele efikile urhulumente omtsha, ngokucacileyo, kwizakhiwo zepalamente e-UK. Ngoko imihla yokuqala. Kodwa ngaba akusayi kubakho zibonelelo zintle ezikhoyo kunye namasuntswana kunye neziqwenga. Ngaba akukho nto kwi-horizon ukuya.

[00:46:05] U-Angus Cunningham: Linganisa inkonkxa yakho yebhatyi yeempethu?

[00:46:07] UJackie De Burca: Ndinayo? Oh hayi.

[00:46:08] Angus Cunningham: Ewe, kuphela. Kangangokuba kwiminyaka emihlanu eyadlulayo ndandicinga ukuba asizange senze nawuphi na umsebenzi wolawulo lwasekhaya. Ndicinge, ke, makhe singene, sibone ukuba isebenza njani. Kunje. Kufana nokudlula kwi-treacle, ngokunyanisekileyo. Mhlawumbi bendiqhuba inkampani. Ufumana ukwenza izigqibo kwaye ziyenzeka ngokubanzi kwaye unokuphembelela izinto.

Urhulumente wasekhaya, ngokunyanisekileyo, andazi. Nantoni na iyenziwa ngamanye amaxesha. Oko kwathiwa, kukho abantu abanomdla kakhulu apho, kodwa abazaziyo iintambo kunye nemithetho, kodwa i-bureaucracy icotha kakhulu.

Ukutsho njalo, ndicinga ukuba kukho esikufumeneyo kwaye andiqinisekanga ukuba lo rhulumente wenza umahluko omkhulu kunorhulumente wakudala kuba urhulumente wasekhaya ubonakala engomnye umba wakhe, okanye wena. Yeyiphi impembelelo yezopolitiko okuyo. Urhulumente wasekhaya wenza umahluko kwi.

[00:47:06] UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo ndingatsibela kwaye ndiyitsho loo nto kumava am amancinci, kuba, ewe, uyazi, injalo. Asingombutho omkhulu, omkhulu. Amazwi akhayo. Ngokuqinisekileyo ndingatsho ukuba iCambridgeshire ibonakala inezenzo ezininzi zokwenene kunye nezinto ezenzekayo xa kuziwa kule ndawo, kungekhona ngokukodwa kwindawo yakho, andinakuyithetha loo nto ngokuqinisekileyo. Kodwa benza umsebenzi omkhulu apho. Ndingatsho.

[00:47:32] Angus Cunningham: Kulunge ngokwenene ukuva. Siye ngakumbi eLondon. Mhlawumbi ndingafumana ii-imeyile phaya. Sinethemba elikhulu kuthi ekubonakala ngathi ziipokotho zemali ibhunga ngalinye elinokuzifumana. Ke baneendlela zabo zokufikelela kwi-icon ukuba bazise. Ndicinga ukuba urhulumente oyintloko uthi, kulungile, siza kwenza le mali ifumaneke kwaye into eza kufumaneka ngayo kukucoca umoya okanye ukuzisa i-biodiversity.

Ngoko ke amabhunga anokufikelela kuloo nto. IWandsworth kunye neWestminster zilunge kakhulu kuthi, kodwa ndiva ukuba bangababoleki abatyebileyo. Ngoko ke ngokuqinisekileyo kukho uhlobo oluthile lokubambisa ukuba abanye ababoleki bakwimeko engcono kunabanye. Kodwa khange ndiqonde ukuba kutheni.

Kodwa kukho imali ekhoyo. Umceli mngeni wethu, Jackie, mkhulu. Imali iyafumaneka yokufakela, kodwa amaxesha amaninzi ayifumaneki ukuba ilungiswe nako konke esikwenzayo. Izityalo zifuna ukulungiswa. Awunakuvele uyibeke kwaye uhambe. Awunako ukuwabeka kwaye uthi, kulungile, yiloo nto, umsebenzi owenziwe. Zifuna ukugcinwa kwaye sifuna iteknoloji rhoqo ukuzigcina.

Ngumngeni omkhulu lowo.

[00:48:44] UJackie De Burca: Yiloo nto ke. Kuyathakazelisa kuba xa kufikwa kwi-BNG, ukuqonda kwam, kunjalo, kunye neminyaka engama-30 kunye neminyaka ekufuneka kusetyenzwe kuyo, kutheni le nto kufanele ukuba yahluke kuhlaza lwasezidolophini?

[00:48:55] Angus Cunningham: Umbuzo olungileyo.

Into. Andaz. Andaz.

[00:48:59] UJackie De Burca: Kulungile.

[00:49:01] Angus Cunningham: Kodwa, ewe, yiyo, uh. Ewe, ndiyathemba ukuba lo rhulumente uyawenza umahluko. Ndiyeva. Ndiva amabali ukuba bajonge ukusikwa kwaye sele kuphelile. Kodwa ke, ewe, ukuba unekati efana neCambridge, unabantu abaninzi apho abafuna ukwenza okulungileyo. Babonakala besoloko besenza izinto zenzeke. Ngoko mhlawumbi kukho ithemba.

[00:49:21] UJackie De Burca: Ngethemba likho ithemba.

[00:49:22] Angus Cunningham: Ewe, sinezisombululo.

[00:49:25] UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo iCambridgeshire ibonakala ingumzekelo obalaseleyo kwinto endiyaziyo ukuza kuthi ga ngoku. Ke, mamela, ubuyela ekuthandeni kweendlela ezivelayo kwi izibonelelo eziluhlaza, yintoni oyithanda kakhulu? Ukubeka kwicala elinye? Ezemali okomzuzwana.

[00:49:41] Angus Cunningham: Ewe. Ingaba uthetha ukuthini? Ndivuyiswa yintoni?

[00:49:44] UJackie De Burca: Kwiindlela ezivelayo ngaphakathi kohlaza iziseko.

[00:49:51] Angus Cunningham: Uthetha umkhwa wokuzisa uhlaza ezixekweni? Ndonwabile nje ngokubanzi ukuba kukho imfuno yokuzisa uhlaza kwaye siphambili kolu shishino, siye sisebenzise le nto besiyenza kule minyaka ilishumi idlulileyo phambi kokuba ibe yisihloko.

Ke, ewe, kuthi zizityalo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba xa ubuza umbuzo, imalunga neshishini lokutyala uhlaza, yonke into yokuzinza esongelwe kuyo ngokunjalo, kunye nokusebenzisa amafutha aphantsi kwefosili.

Kodwa ndicinga ukuba eyona nto inika umdla kumbono wam wesixeko. Uphakathi kwendlela yokugqiba umbono wam ngokuzisa uhlaza eSydney.

[00:50:43] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, ngumbuzo ogcweleyo lowo, endicinga ukuba kufuneka sifikelele kuwo okomzuzwana.

Mhlawumbi siza kuyigqibezela incoko yethu ngaloo nto. Kodwa bendinalo mbono ungaqhelekanga njengoko ubuthetha apho, Angus. Bekuya kuba njani. Ngaba bekungayi kusebenza konke konke ukukhulisa izinto ezithandwayo, siya kuthi, i-coriander kunye ne-basil kunye nemifuno eyahlukeneyo njengepali yesibane? Ingaba lonto yi.

[00:51:04] Angus Cunningham: Ewe, kuya kuba kuhle. Ewe, unako.

[00:51:06] UJackie De Burca: Ngaba unako?

[00:51:07] Angus Cunningham: Ndiyacinga, ewe. Amajikijolo alungele amaqunube akho, amaqunube akho, amaqunube akho, amaqunube akho amnyama.

Bona. Zonke zikhula ngaphandle kwenkqubo yethu kwaye zikhule. Ukuba unako ukufikelela phezulu, unokuzincothula. Imifuno, ayilunganga kakhulu, i-brassicas, kuba ibonakala iphosakele ngamaxesha ahlukeneyo onyaka. Ngoko ke andiyi kucebisa ukuba zikhule, nangona zikhula kakuhle kwiintlanzi zethu. Bendiya nje caveat oko ngokuthi isixa ungcoliseko kwizixeko zethu, mhlawumbi hayi. Hayi kuhle ukuba.

Ndikhe ndakhankanya oku ngaphambili malunga neendlela. Ngaba izixeko uyilo ezindleleni? Ukuba ubunokususa iimoto kwi-equation, yeyona ndlela ilungileyo yokususa ungcoliseko ezixekweni. Ndingacebisa ukutyala amaqunube amaninzi kwisibane sakho. Ngokwam, ujikeleza uzitya.

[00:51:56] UJackie De Burca: Kuya kuba mnandi, akunjalo?

[00:51:58] U-Angus Cunningham: Akunjalo, sibabiza ngokuba ngamaqunube, okanye amaqunube, ndicinga ukuba bawabiza, kodwa aqhuba kakuhle kwiindawo ezisemazantsi eLondon okwangoku. Ke ibramble kunye ne-apile pie iyenziwa, kodwa iphinda ikudibanise nendalo kuba phambi kwezixeko, phambi kwenguqu kwezoshishino, yile nto siyenzileyo. Kwaye khange siphulukane nonxibelelwano na. Ungaphuma uye kukha iziqhamo. Siqhele ukuyibona kwipakethe ekwivenkile enkulu. Uyalibala ukuba ivela phi kwaye mhlawumbi uyothuka xa ubona indlela eveliswa ngayo ngokurhweba. Kodwa ukuya emaphandleni uyokukha iziqhamo okanye imifuno kanye ngendlela ekwakuyiyo, kwakunjani. Sithe nje, sathi, ibizwa ntoni? Isiseko esiguqukayo. Uyazi, ihlala ishukuma. Kodwa buyela emva kwiminyaka engama-300 kwaye, uyazi, phambi kwenguqu kwezemizi-mveliso, sonke, iipokotho zamakhaya kunye nokuzimela, okuphelileyo.

[00:52:53] UJackie De Burca: Akunjalo kudala. Ndiyathetha, ndiyithethile le nto nakwezinye iindwendwe, uAngus, uyazi, ayisekude kudala. Ukuba ucinga ngayo nje ngosapho lwakho, kuxhomekeke kwi, uyazi, ubude bexesha elingakanani abantu bahlala kusapho lwakho, sithetha nje, nokuba, nantoni na, ezine, ezintlanu, izizukulwana ezithandathu, kuxhomekeke, ngoko. ayinde kangako. Ngoku. Okokugqibela, nangona kunjalo, Angus, uthini umbono wakho wekamva, izixeko ezizayo?

[00:53:16] Angus Cunningham: Owu, yayiza kugubungela, i-COVID izixeko zethu eziluhlaza. Ukuba nje, uyazi, xa ubona izithonga zasemoyeni okanye uthi, owu, molo, njengomfanekiso wedolophu, ndibona ezi zakhiwo zimangalisayo njengoko ndijonge emehlweni am, crikey, senze ntoni?

Kwakukho ihlathi. Jonga zonke ezi monstrosities. Ke mna, umbono wam kukugubungela zonke ngohlaza kuba ke wena, awuhambanga nje ngaphandle kwendalo kule bit kwaye uthi, Ndikukhuphele ngaphandle. Kwakukho indawo apho kunye nenxalenye apho, kodwa enye yiglasi enkulu kunye nezakhiwo zekhonkrithi ezithi, jonga indlela esibahle ngayo. Zigqume ngohlaza, kwaye ke siye safumana isiqingatha ithuba. Ke ndicinga ukuba i-verdant kufuneka ingene kwisigama sam ngelo xesha. Ke uhlaza olugqume ingubo eluhlaza phezu kwazo zonke izixeko zethu, ndiyacinga ukuba iyakuba ngumbono wam lowo. Iindlela, uyazi, zisebenzisa indawo engaphantsi komhlaba, nje, uyazi, sebenzisa ibhayisekile. Ndakhwela, kwibhayisekile yehlathi ngenye imini kwaye ndacinga, khange ndikhwele enye. Ndinento engakholelekiyo, uyazi, akukho ngcoliseko unako, kunjalo, akukho moto, iibhayisekile ezininzi, ukuhamba okuninzi. Iindlela ezithile zijike zaba ziipaseji zezityalo nezilwanyana ezingeyonto ngaphandle kohlaza, ngoko ke vumela abantu bahambe yonke indawo. Ukuhamba ufile ngenxa yakho ngokunjalo, ngoko. Ewe, kodwa ndicinga ukuba umbono ogqwesileyo yingubo eluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka kuzo zonke izixeko zethu. Kwaye indalo mayijonge kuthi. Indalo ingaba phezulu kwisakhiwo. Masijonge phantsi emhlabeni, sihambahamba, ngokuchasene nathi ukwenza ngenye indlela, sijonge kwindalo.

[00:54:59] UJackie De Burca: Uyamangalisa. Ngoko yeka indlela entle yokuphelisa ngombono wakho. U-Angus ubenomdla ngokwenene ukuthetha nawe. La ngamazwi akhayo.