S4, E5: Ukushisa kwe-Decarbonising kunye noDkt Alex Mellor weNaked Energy

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[00:00:00] UJackie De Burca: Molo emva kwemini, lo nguJackie De Burca waMazwi akhayo. Ndikunye noGqr. Alex Mellor onguMlawuli wezobuNjineli kwiNaked Energy. Ngoku ulandele ukuthanda kwakhe ubomi bakhe bonke ngamandla elanga. Ubhale amalungelo awodwa omenzi wechiza amabini kunye namaphepha angama-21 apapashiweyo kwitekhnoloji ye-PVT, ukusebenza kakuhle kwe-PV, iisistim zegridi zasemaphandleni kunye ne-PV yamandla asemajukujukwini, kunye nencwadi yeeseli zelanga zequantum. Ngoku ndiyakwazi. Phambi kokuba ndinamkele, ndingathi bendihlala emaphandleni enenkqubo yegridi, ke ndingathanda ukwazi ngakumbi ngaloo nto. Kodwa vele uzazise, ​​Alex, okokuqala, nceda.

[00:00:48] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Molo Jackie. Ngokwenene, kumnandi ukudibana nawe kwaye ndiyabulela kakhulu ngokuba nam kuwe podcast. Igama lam ndinguAlex Mellor. Ubomi bam bonke bendiyingcali yendalo esingqongileyo kwaye ndihlala ndiyithanda isayensi neteknoloji. Uhlobo lwento ye-activist, naxa ndibuyela esikolweni. Kwaye xa ndaya eyunivesithi, ndafumanisa ukuba xa ndikhetha ikhondo elifanelekileyo, ndandinethuba lokutshata ukuthanda kwam inzululwazi, iteknoloji kunye nokusingqongileyo. Ngoko ndafunda imathematika nefiziksi ngenjongo yokufumana amandla ahlaziyiweyo. Ndikhethe ukuba nonyaka kushishino njengenxalenye yesidanga sam. Kwaye ukuba nabani na apha ucinga ukuya eyunivesithi, banikela unyaka kwishishini. Ndingayincoma ngokwenene. Yeyona ndlela ilungileyo yokuqalisa, ngakumbi ukuba bayakuvumela ukuba ukhethe. Masiye phi. Ndafumana uphando PV cell encinane kunye nokuvelisa indawo e Northumberland kumantla eNgilani ndaye ndayokwenza i-internship yam yonyaka apho. Yayibizwa ngokuba yiNAREC ngelo xesha, ngoku zibizwa ngokuba yiSolar Capture Technologies. Ndibe namava amnandi kakhulu apho kwaye ndacinga ukuba ndiyaluthanda uphando, ndiyathanda, ndiyawathanda amandla elanga ePV. Ke ndiye ndafumana i-PhD eMadrid apho ndingaya khona ndiyokusebenza kwiiseli ze-PV ezisebenza ngokufanelekileyo, ndijonge ngakumbi kwiikhonsepthi zobuchule obuphezulu. Uyazi, indlela yokufika kwi-50% yokusebenza kombane usebenzisa uhlobo lokuloba ukukhanya kunye nefiziksi yesixhobo. Ndikonwabele kakhulu oko. Ndaba liqabane lophando. Emva koko ndaya kwiKholeji yase-Imperial apho ndandingumfundi ophandayo ojonga ezinye iikhonsepthi zenoveli kwiiseli zePV. Kwaye ndaqala ukuba nomdla kwi-PVT kwaye ngokukodwa iingubo zamehlo ze-pvt. Ngeloxesha ndibenethamsanqa lokudibana neNaked Energy apho ndisebenza khona okwangoku. Babeneprojekthi edibeneyo ne-Imperial College. Sasebenza kunye kuloo projekthi kwaye ndiyayithanda inkampani, inkampani yayindithanda, ngoko ndaya kusebenza nabo. Ndineminyaka emithandathu ndikwiNaked Energy ngoku. Ngoku ndingumlawuli wezobuNjineli, andizange ndiqalise ngolo hlobo, kodwa ndaqalisa ukusebenza kuphuhliso lwemveliso. Siye kwisigaba sorhwebo. Ngoko ke ngokukhawuleza ndaba yinxalenye yeqela elisakhulayo lokuthengisa, ndaseka uhlobo lohambo lwabathengi ukuze sikwazi ukuchonga iintlobo ezifanelekileyo zabasebenzisi belanga, ubushushu kunye nobuchwepheshe be-PVT kwaye bathathe uhambo. Babebona ukuba iteknoloji yethu isilungele. Emva koko saqesha iqela elifanelekileyo lezorhwebo, endilivuyileyo, ukuze ndibuyele kwindawo yobugcisa. Kwaye ngoku ndisebenza kuphuhliso lwemveliso, uphuhliso lwethu uyilo kunye nesoftware yokubeka iliso, kunye nokudityaniswa kobuchwepheshe bethu kulwakhiwo. Ke leyo, luhlobo lwentshayelelo emfutshane kumsebenzi wam, ogqwesileyo, Alex.

. Ke njengoko siqhubeka, ndicinga ukuba incoko yethu, mhlawumbi uzame ukuyingenisa njengentetho yomntu ophakathi kwezinye zezinto ozithethileyo. Amandla ahamba Naked, ngokucacileyo iyaziwa ngokuba iphambili kwi-solar innovation. Ngaba unokwabelana ngemishini yenkampani, u-Alex, kunye nento ovakalelwa kukuba iyayihlula kumhlaba wamandla ahlaziyekayo?

[00:03:38] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ke sigxile ngokwenene kwi-decarbonization yobushushu. Ngoko ke, uyazi, xa abantu abaninzi becinga ngamandla avuselelekayo, bacinga ngokwenene ngombane ohlaziyiweyo. Ewe. Ke ukuba ucinga ngamandla omoya, pv, amandla elanga, ezi ziindlela zokuvelisa umbane ukusuka, emoyeni naselanga. Kodwa eneneni uninzi lwamandla esiphela siwasebenzisa, asiwasebenzisi njengombane, siwasebenzisa njengobushushu. Umbane kunye nezothutho, uyazi, ezo zezona zintathu ziphambili. Kwaye malunga ne-50% yamandla aphambili, siphela siwasebenzisa njengobushushu. Ke oko kushushu ukuya kubushushu, uyazi, izithuba esikuzo. Ke ekhaya okanye emsebenzini, kukufudumeza amanzi ashushu esithi, sihlamba kwaye sihlambe kwaye sisebenzise ucoceko, kwaye kukufudumeza iinkqubo zemizi-mveliso ukuze, uyazi, ukwenza izinto esizisebenzisayo. Ke malunga ne-50% yamandla aphambili kwaye ke ukukhutshwa kwerhasi yegreenhouse kukuvelisa uhlobo oluthile lokufudumeza okanye ukupholisa. Ngoko yiloo nto ngokwenene esiyiyo, sijolise kuyo. Kwaye sikwenza oko ngeemveliso zethu zelanga, ezivelisa ubushushu belanga kunye nombane welanga. Ke sihlasela zombini ubushushu kunye nombane ngeemveliso zethu zelanga. Yintoni, yintoni esahlulayo? Ndiyathetha, thina, mhlawumbi ngaphantsi kwesiqhelo kwitekhnoloji yobushushu belanga, sijolise ngokwenene kuhlobo lwabasebenzisi bobushushu abakhulu. Kunjalo ke, kurhwebo kunye neshishini izakhiwo kunokuba amakhaya ngamanye. Ke, uyazi, Sivile ukuba kukho umsantsa apho kwaye kukho into ekhonzwa kakuhle, bubushushu belanga namandla. Kwaye thina, siyile itekhnoloji yethu malunga nendlela yokuhambisa kakuhle kwabo basebenzisi bobushushu borhwebo kunye neshishini. Kwaye siyile iteknoloji enoxinano lwamandla aphezulu kakhulu eluphahleni. Ke imalunga, uyazi, abathengi bethu, basebenzisa ubushushu obuphezulu, ukusetyenziswa kwamandla aphezulu, indawo encinci eluphahleni, kwaye bafuna ukuvelisa kangangoko banakho ngesithuba sophahla abanaso. Ke ngokwenyani siyile itekhnoloji, i, uyazi, i-optics, ulawulo lobushushu, ulawulo lombane, ukuze sifumane ubuninzi bamandla asebenzisekayo kuloo ndawo yophahla. Kwaye yiloo nto endinokuthi isenze sahluke kwezinye, ezinye iitekhnoloji zelanga.

[00:05:38] UJackie De Burca: Ngaba ubhekisa kwitekhnoloji yeVirtue, uAlex?

[00:05:41] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe, ichanekile. Ngoko sineentsapho ezimbini zeteknoloji. Omabini abizwa ngokuba sisidima. Ke umntu ubizwa ngokuba yiVirtue Hot, yimveliso yobushushu kuphela. Ngoko ke ivelisa ubushushu belanga ukuya kutsho kwi-120 degrees celcius. Kwaye enye ibizwa ngokuba yiVirtue Pvt, kwaye yiyunithi yomxube. Ngoko ivelisa zombini ubushushu kunye namandla ombane. Ke i-PV yeye-voltaics, uyazi, cinga iiphaneli zePV kwaye i-T yeye-thermal. Ke yi-pvt, i-photovoltaic thermal. Ivelisa zombini umbane kunye nobushushu. Kwaye ke, uyazi, uninzi lwezakhiwo zifuna zombini iindidi zamandla, ngoko ke zifaneleke kakhulu kuzo.

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[00:06:22] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ngokuqinisekileyo, ke yiVirtue PVT kunye neVirtue Hot. Ke iVirtue pvt, unoluhlu lweeseli zePV, uyazi, ziyakuguqula ukukhanya kwelanga kube ngumbane malunga ne-23% esebenzayo, elizinga lokuguqulwa eliqhelekileyo kwiseli yePV okanye ipaneli yePV. Ngoko ukuba ucinga ngepaneli yePV eqhelekileyo, iya kuguqula malunga ne-20 ukuya kwi-25% yokukhanya kwelanga kumbane. Ngoko unenye i-75% apho. Kwaye kwenzeka ntoni kuyo? Ke imali encinci ibonakalisiwe, kodwa uninzi lwayo lufudumeza nje ipaneli. Ke ipaneli eqhelekileyo yePV, uninzi lokukhanya kwelanga okunene lufudumeza nje ipaneli kwaye ke obo bushushu bulahlekile indawo kwaye ulahlekelwe ngamandla elanga aluncedo. Into esiyenzayo kwiiyunithi zethu ze-PVT sinomtya weeseli ze-PV ezili-12 kwaye siqhuba ukufudumeza. Sinotshintshiselwano lobushushu emva kweeseli ezinejelo lolwelo. Ke sisusa ubushushu kwiiseli ebeziyimveliso yombane. Sisusa ubushushu kwiiseli kwaye sibubeka phantsi kwisakhiwo, uyazi, ukusetyenziswa kobushushu obuluncedo. Ke izinto endizikhankanyileyo ngaphambili, ukufudumeza indawo, ukufudumeza kwamanzi ashushu okanye inkqubo yobushushu beshishini, ngokukodwa sinazo iiseli ze-PV kunye nesixhobo sobushushu ngaphakathi kwityhubhu ekhutshiweyo kwaye oko kukugcina ubushushu ngaphakathi. Sifuna ukuba yonke into ingene kulaa mjelo wolwelo othi emva koko usiwe kwisakhiwo. Kwaye yiloo nto esivumela ukuba sisebenze kumaqondo obushushu ukuya kuthi ga kwi-75C ngokwemigaqo ye-PVT, okuthetha ukuba sinokwenza, uyazi, amanzi ashushu acocekileyo, ubushushu obuphantsi, ubushushu benkqubo yoshishino, leyo eyenza inxalenye enkulu kakhulu yokusetyenziswa kobushushu behlabathi. Ngoko ke ivumela ukuba ufumane ukungena kwimarike elungileyo kwaye ngokwenene ukuhlasela izicelo yokwenene ubushushu kwisidima imveliso eshushu, ukuba imveliso thermal kuphela. Ke endaweni yeeseli zePV sinento ebizwa ngokuba yi-absorber ekhethiweyo yokwambathisa. Kwaye loo nto ifunxa kakhulu kukukhanya kwelanga, kodwa ayikhuphi imitha yemitha kakhulu. Ke unayo, kunye nokunciphisa ilahleko ye-convective, ityhubhu ekhutshiweyo, ukwanciphisa ilahleko yemitha ngaloo nto. Ke bubushushu kuphela, kodwa buvelisa ngobuninzi kwaye kumaqondo obushushu aphezulu. Leyo inyuka iye kuthi ga kwi-120 ngokukaCelsius. Kwaye zombini ezi mveliso zinejiyometri ekhethekileyo kusetyenziswa isibonisi esidityanisiweyo, nto leyo ethetha ukuba songeza uxinaniso lwamandla, kuphahla olusicaba lweshishini ngakumbi.

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[00:08:47] UGqr Alex Mellor: Enkosi. Ngoko kukho inani lezinto kuyo. Olunye luyilo kwaye ngokukodwa uyilo lokukhanya.

Ngoko uyazi, unokuba nelanga elingenalo uhlobo lwezibuko okanye ukubonakalisa okanye ukugxininiswa, kwaye unokuba nelanga elinomfanekiso kunye nogxininiso kwaye lifuna ukuba uhambe kwaye ulandele ilanga.

Ngoku sasingafuni ukuba namalungu ashukumayo, ngoko sasifuna ukuba singabi namkhondo, hayi, singalandeli ilanga, simile ngokupheleleyo. Kwaye isizathu saloo nto kukuba neendleko eziphantsi kunye nokuthembeka okulungileyo. Ke sizibuze umbuzo, ungakufumana njani awona mandla axineneyo kwitekhnoloji yelanga engatshintshiyo? Kwaye kungolu yilo lwe-optical esathi saphela sikwitekhnoloji yoxinaniso lwamandla aphezulu kakhulu. Yayinye ke leyo. Kwaye eminye imingeni, uninzi lwento eyenza i-sauce eyimfihlo? Konke kumalunga nendlela yokujongana ne-vacuum kunye nokutya ngokusebenzisa iivektha zamandla ezahlukeneyo ngaphakathi nangaphandle kwendawo yakho yokufunxa. Ke une-thermal kunye nemveliso yombane ngaphakathi kwevacuum. Kufuneka ukhuphe ubushushu nombane. Uyenza njani loo nto ngelixa ugcina itywina lokucoca elilungileyo kodwa usebenzisa izinto ezinexabiso eliphantsi kunye namaqhinga obunjineli akrelekrele? Ke ndingathi kwinqanaba lobuchwephesha yayiyeyona mingeni mibini iphambili.

[00:09:59] UJackie De Burca: Yingcaciso egqwesileyo leyo. Isiqinisekiso seTUV. U-Alex Virtue pvt ngumqokeleli wetyhubhu wokuqala okhutshiweyo ukufumana oku. Ngaba ungayichaza i ukubaluleka yesi satifikethi kwishishini kunye nendlela esonyusa ngayo ukuthembeka kobuchwephesha bakho?

[00:10:19] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Isiqinisekiso, konke kwenziwa malunga nohlobo lovavanyo ukuya kwinani lemigangatho yoshishino eyaziwayo. Ke uyazi, iimveliso ze-thermal zelanga zii-Virtue hots ziyimveliso yobushushu belanga. Ngoko ke loo nto ineseti yemigangatho. I-PVT zombini i-thermal yelanga kunye nemveliso ye-PV, ngoko ke kufuneka ibambelele kuzo zombini iiseti zemigangatho. Ngoko ke idlula kumgaqo wovavanyo oluqatha. Kulungile, ke iimvavanyo, uyazi, zininzi, zininzi, zininzi iimvavanyo edlula kuzo, kodwa zingena ngaphezulu okanye ngaphantsi kumaqela amathathu. Ke ijikeleze ukhuseleko, ubomi obude kunye nokusebenza. Kulungile, ngoko ngokubhekiselele kukhuseleko, baya kuvavanya ukuqinisekisa ukuba i-retardant yomlilo, ukuba ifakwe ngokufanelekileyo ngombane zombini kwindawo eyomileyo nakwimanzi, ukuba inokujongana nokunyuka kombane kunye nokunye, ukuqinisekisa ukuba ikhuselekile phezu kophahla kwaye ayidali umngcipheko kuye nabani na kwisakhiwo. Ngokubhekiselele kubomi obude, into eyenziwa luvavanyo lujolise ekulinganiseni iminyaka engama-25 yobomi ebaleni kwiiveki nje ezimbalwa zovavanyo. Kwaye ikwenza oko isebenzisa igumbi lokusingqongileyo apho iveza iiyunithi zethu ze-PVT kwiimeko ezigqithisileyo, ngokugqithisileyo kunokuba unokubona ebaleni, kunye nokuhamba ngebhayisikile ngokukhawuleza okujolise kwiiveki ezimbalwa ukuvelisa kwakhona okwenzekayo, kwiminyaka engama-25. Ke uyazi, kukuhamba ngebhayisekile ubushushu ukusuka ku-40 ukuya kwi-85 Celsius, luvavanyo lokukhenkcela kokufuma, luvavanyo olugqithisileyo lwe-UV, luvavanyo lobushushu obumanzi. Kwaye bona, bayenza ngokulandelelana okuthe ngqo ukuba, ulandelelwano abalwaziyo lubangela ukuba itekhnoloji ebuthathaka ingaphumeleli. Kunene. Ngoko ke yakhiwe ngendlela yokwenza ukuba usilele ngaphandle kokuba imveliso ilunge kakhulu. Ngoku sikuphela kwetekhnoloji ye-PVT yetyhubhu ekhutshiweyo ephumelele eso satifikethi. Ngoko linyathelo elikhulu kuthi. Kukho iqela lesithathu elisebenza.

Ke ngokuqinisekileyo kufuneka sinxibelelane nabathengi bethu ukuba angakanani amandla abazakuwonga ngokusebenzisa itekhnoloji yethu. Kwaye sikwenza oko sisebenzisa idatha yokusebenza yetekhnoloji. Kwaye oko kuvela kuvavanyo lomntu wesithathu eTUV Rheiland njengenxalenye yenkqubo yoqinisekiso. Ke, uyazi, abakholelwa kwidatha yethu bakholelwa kwiqela lesithathu ledatha eqinisekisiweyo yokusebenza kweemveliso zethu. Ke kukhuseleko, ubomi obude kunye nokusebenza.

[00:12:35] UJackie De Burca: Yinkqubo nje engakholelekiyo kwaye inomdla, yonke into, akunjalo?

[00:12:40] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe. Kwasithatha ixesha elide ukuyihamba. Kwafuneka senze njalo Njineli imveliso ngocoselelo kakhulu, baqonde isiqinisekiso, uvavanyo, ukuqonda imingcipheko ezahlukeneyo, qiniseka ukuba imveliso kwakunzima kuyo kuba uyazi, kufuneka uchithe isuntswana fair imali ukwenza ezi mvavanyo. Kuthatha ixesha elincinci. Xa uza kubeka iimveliso zakho, uyazi, baya kuthatha malunga ne-40 yeemveliso ngaphandle komgca ngokungaqhelekanga kwaye uzibeke kwiimvavanyo ezahlukeneyo zohlobo lwenkqubo yeenyanga ezintandathu. Ufuna ukuqiniseka kakhulu ekuqaleni ukuba uya kupasa ekugqibeleni. Ngoko uzama ukuvelisa okuninzi koku kwilabhu yakho apho ucinga ukuba kukho iimvavanyo ekunzima kakhulu ukuziphumelela. Uyazama kwaye uzivelise kwakhona kangangoko unako, qiniseka ukuba usiyile isisombululo sakho ukuze xa ekugqibeleni uzithumele ukuba ziye kuvavanywa, uqinisekile ukuba ziya kuphuma zinethemba kwelinye icala. Kwaye ndinombulelo ukuthi senze njalo kubathengi. Ibanika ithemba lokuphila ixesha elide kunye nokusebenza kwemveliso kunye nokhuseleko.

Kwezinye iindawo yimfuneko esemthethweni ukuba ube nesi satifikethi. Akusoloko kwaye yonke indawo, kodwa kwiimeko ezithile kunjalo. Kwaye phantse isoloko iyimfuneko kwiinkxaso-mali apho zikhoyo. Ke, uyazi, akukho nkxaso-mali okwangoku e-UK, kodwa uyazi, eJamani sikuluhlu lwe-BAFA lwenkxaso-mali yaseJamani. Kwi elamaDatshi sifanelekile kwi-SD Fonshaleur. Kwi Fransi kwaye kulo lonke elaseYurophu apho kukho inkxaso-mali, kuba besinezatifikethi, sikulungele ukufumana ezo nkxaso-mali. Kwaye ke oko kubalulekile kumthengi ngokunjalo.

[00:14:15] UJackie De Burca: Kwaye oko kundikhokelela kakuhle, Alex, kumbuzo wam olandelayo, othi, uyazi, esi siqinisekiso kufuneka sivule iingcango ezininzi ngesandi sezinto, ngokuqinisekileyo eYurophu kwaye kunokwenzeka kwihlabathi liphela.

[00:14:28] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe, ngokupheleleyo. Ke ngoku sineeprojekthi ezili-100 kwaye ndicinga amazwe alithoba okanye ali-10 ahlukeneyo. Andinazo izibalo phambi kwam, kodwa ingaphezulu okanye ngaphantsi kulo myalelo. Sine-15,000 yeetyhubhu zethu zelanga ebaleni kwaye siqala ukunyusa isikali seeprojekthi. Ke, uyazi, xa uqala ngetekhnoloji entsha, uqala ukwenza iiprojekthi zeemitha ezimbalwa zesikwere semveliso yakho kuphahla lomntu kwaye emva koko uye kumashumi eemitha zesikweri kwaye emva koko uye kumakhulu ezikwere zeemitha. Iprojekthi yethu enkulu ebaleni ngoku inewaka leetyhubhu zethu kunye namaqweqwe, malunga ne-700 yeemitha zesikwere. Kwaye ngoku sineeprojekthi kwisigaba soyilo eziphinda kabini ubukhulu balo. Kwaye sineeprojekthi ezikude kakhulu kwipayipi eziphindwe ka-10 ubukhulu baloo nto. Ke siqala uhlobo lokuqhubela phambili kokubini kwinani leeprojekthi esikwaziyo ukuzenza kunye neeyunithi ezisasazwayo. Ubungakanani bezo projekthi zomntu ngamnye, obaluleke kakhulu kuba njengoko usiya ukhula, unokubonelela ngexabiso elingcono kumsebenzisi wakho wokugqibela. Kwaye kwakhona ndiyaqikelela udumo lwabathengi esisebenza nabo. Andizukubabiza ngokuthe ngqo, kodwa uninzi lwamatsheyini amakhulu ehotele, umzekelo, basebenza nathi ngoku, ukukhupha iipotfoliyo zabo kunye nemveliso emininzi eyaziwayo kunye nokutya neziselo. Ke lixesha elinomdla ngokwenene lokuba kwiNaked Energy kwaye ubukele oku.

[00:15:48] UJackie De Burca: Eli nqanaba livakala limangalisa. Bendicinga ngokwenyani ukuba kumele ukuba kumnandi kangakanani na. Ngaba ungumntu ophuphayo ngomsebenzi wakho, Alex? Kwinqaku lomntu ngakumbi?

[00:15:58] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe, ngokupheleleyo. Ibiyiyo, ndithetha, kwinqanaba lomntu, ibe luhambo olunika umdla kum. Ke, uyazi, ukuqala kwizifundo ze-R kunye no-D, usebenza kwitekhnoloji enento ebizwa ngokuba linqanaba eliphantsi kakhulu lokulungela itekhnoloji. Ke luhlobo lwesibhakabhaka esiluhlaza ngakumbi, sifikelela kude, kodwa kusesekuseni kakhulu kuhambo lwaso. Kwaye kuzo zonke iitekhnoloji ezahlukeneyo abantu abasebenza kuzo kolu hlobo lwendawo, uyazi, mhlawumbi i-1 kwi-10 kubo okanye ngaphantsi, uyazi, iphelela kuphahla oluvelisa amandla. Kwaye eso sisithuba esichulumancisayo ukusebenza kuso. Kuyakhuthaza kakhulu. Kwinqanaba lobukrelekrele, yindawo entle kakhulu. Kodwa ukuba ufuna ngokwenene ukubona umsebenzi wakho kunye nokutsha kuphahla ngexesha elifutshane. Kwafika ixesha ebomini bam apho kwaba yimincili ngakumbi ukusebenzela inkampani yokuqalisa efana neNaked Energy, apho sisebenza iimveliso ezingezizo ikamva kwi-20, iminyaka engama-30, zikamva kwiinyanga ezintandathu ukuya kunyaka. Kwaye ke ngokubona iinguqulelo zethu kuphahla kunye nokwenza igalelo ekusombululeni ngxaki yemozulu ngexesha lokwenyani ngokwenene, ngokwenene ukwanelisa. Ngoko ke uhlobo, lutshata uthumo lokujongana nomngeni wokusingqongileyo kunye nohlobo lovuselelo lobukrelekrele lokukwazi ukusebenza kubuchwephesha obuchulumancisayo kunye nokusombulula iingxaki ezinzima zobugcisa kunye nolwaneliseko lobuqu lokukwazi ukusebenza nabantu abagqwesileyo ngokwenene bobabini kwi-Naked Energy kwicala lobugcisa, urhwebo, ukuthengisa kunye nesoftware. Kodwa kwakhona abathengi esisebenza nabo banomdla ngokwenene. Banemisebenzi yabo abathe bathengwa kakhulu kuyo. Unomdla kakhulu wokwenza imisebenzi yabo kunye nokujongana nomngeni wendlela yokwenza oko. Kwaye ukuba siyakwazi ukubanika inxalenye yeso sisombululo, kuyanelisa kakhulu macala onke.

[00:17:48] UJackie De Burca: Lixesha lembali elinje. Ewe, okwangoku, Alex, kwaye ndiyaqikelela ukuba sinokungena kwamanye amagama ongawabizanga, kodwa makhe singene kwelinye eliza kwaziwa kakhulu, ubuncinci eGreat Britain okanye e-UK. Iprojekthi yeThala leencwadi laseBritane, ngokucacileyo, ngokokwazi kwam kuphando, yeyona projekthi inkulu yelanga e-UK ngoku. Ngaba ichanekile loo nto?

[00:18:13] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe, ndiyathetha, ngokuqinisekileyo kukuqonda kwethu oko kwaye isikhundla sethu siyakuhlala siyithetha de umntu asibonise enkulu.

[00:18:21] UJackie De Burca: Ulunge kakhulu.

[00:18:22] UGqr Alex Mellor: Kulungile, kuphando, masingene kulo.

[00:18:27] UJackie De Burca: Alex, yeyiphi imiceli mngeni yolungiselelo kunye nobugcisa bokuphumeza iprojekthi yesikali esinje?

[00:18:33] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe, ngokupheleleyo. Ke okokuqala kukuchonga ukuba yintoni ukusetyenziswa kobushushu kunye nokuba uza kudibanisa njani kubo. Ngoko ithala leencwadi linomdla ngokwenene.

Baye bafunela amanzi ashushu ngokufanelekileyo njengesakhiwo esikhulu, kodwa banemfuno ephezulu yasehlotyeni yobushushu ngokunjalo kuba banenkqubo yokulawula ukufuma eqhutywa bubushushu kunye nokubonelela ngohlobo lokufudumeza indawo kubantu kwisakhiwo. Kufuneka balawule ukufuma kuba kakade banazo zonke izinto ezibalulekileyo iincwadi kunye nemibhalo, imibhalo apho, kunjalo, kwaye bakwenza oko besebenzisa inkqubo ye-desiccant eqhutywa ngubushushu. Ke okokuqala, ukuqonda loo nto kunye nendlela esiya kudibanisa kuyo ibingumngeni.

Bekukho imingeni enomdla ngenene malunga nokucwangcisa. Eso sisakhiwo esidweliswe kwibanga lokuqala. Ewe. Kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo into esiyenzayo kukwakha uluhlu lwelanga eluphahleni nangaphandle. Ngoku loo nto ineempembelelo kucwangciso. Ucwangciso alwenziwanga nje ngebhunga lendawo, konke oko kwenziwa nakwiLifa leMveli laseNgilani kuba liyindawo edwelisiweyo yebakala lokuqala. Ke kakhulu, izithintelo ezingqongqo kakhulu kwinto onokuyenza apho. Yintoni into entle ngetekhnoloji yethu ineprofayile ephantsi kakhulu, ke ihlala i-26cm ukusuka eluphahleni kwaye iyibeka phantsi komphakamo weparapet, okuthetha ukuba ayinakubonwa ukusuka esitratweni. Ngoko ayibonakali ukuba uhamba ujikeleze ithala leencwadi. Kwaye yiloo nto kanye eyayithetha ukuba kuvunyelwe ukufakwa apho, kunikwa iwonga lelifa leso sakhiwo. Ngoko yayilucelomngeni olo.

Ukuphakamisa nje yonke imathiriyeli ukuya eluphahleni, uyazi, ngeplaza esetyenziswa kakhulu luluntu kwaye inokuvalwa kuphela ixesha elifutshane ukwenza loo msebenzi. Oko kwakulucelomngeni kakhulu. Kwaye ke eyokugqibela yindlela, indlela yokutsala ubushushu yonke indlela kwisakhiwo. Ke, uyazi, sinazo, abaqokeleli eluphahleni bevelisa ubushushu, abaqokeleli bethu belanga abalungileyo. Kwaye emva koko malunga nama-200 eemitha ukuhla nokusuka ecaleni, unegumbi lezityalo apho kufuneka unikeze obo bushushu. Yiyo, yinto elolo hlobo. Ngoko ke ukufumana umsebenzi wombhobho kuyo yonke loo migangatho yahlukeneyo nangaphaya kwalo mgama kunye nokungena kwi-venous, uyazi, yayingumngeni omkhulu lowo.

Kukho into entsha apho. Le iya kuba yeyokugqibela, ndiyathembisa. Ke sinayo, sihlala sifaka isichasi sobushushu njengenxalenye yeenkqubo zethu. Ke ngamaxesha apho kukho imfuno encinci yobushushu, ukuba abaqokeleli bavelisa ubushushu, unendawo yokuyibeka. Ukuba ayinakufakwa kwisakhiwo. Sihlala sijonge ukusebenzisa loo nto ngokungaqhelekanga kuba yinto nje yokusilela. Uyazi, ukuba wonke umntu uya eholideyini iveki okanye into enjalo kwaye akasebenzisi ubushushu, kodwa kufuneka ube nayo. Kwaye ngenxa yewonga lelifa, sasingavumelekanga ukuba silibeke ngaphandle kwesakhiwo. Ke ngokwenyani ingaphakathi kwaye iyala ubushushu kwenye yeflue yangaphakathi kunye ne-smakestacks enyukayo ngesakhiwo. Ke eso yayisisisombululo esisodwa kwingxaki enomdla.

Siphinde sasebenzisa umbhobho wabo okhoyo kunye nenkqubo yokufudumala njengokugcinwa kwe-thermal eyongezelelweyo, enomdla. Ke kunye nokuba nevenkile enkulu yobushushu, malunga ne-15 cubic metres, kuba zisebenzisa inkqubo yokuhambisa amanzi ashushu asezantsi. Ukuba uvumela ukuba kushushu ngaphezu kwendawo ebekiweyo, ukwagcina amandla kuloo nkqubo, nto leyo enika umdla ngokwenene kuba oko kuthetha ukuba ufumana olo gcino simahla ngaphandle kokufaka izixhobo ezongezelelweyo. Yayingumbono omhle ngokwenene lowo womyili apho. Ke, ewe, sihambise loo projekthi kunye ne-PBR kunye ne-Convert Energy isenza, ukufakela kunye ne-KJ Tate kunye nomyili okhokelayo, sanikezela ngezixhobo kwaye senza ingqikelelo yokuqala yeprojekthi. Yayiyintsebenziswano entle ngokwenene phakathi kweenkampani ezintle kakhulu kunye nezinye ezibalaseleyo njineli. Ke, ewe, eneneni, ndiyazingca ukuba yinxalenye yayo.

. nokuzinza iinjongo kwaye zeziphi izifundo ezinokufundwa ngamanye amaziko koku?

[00:22:49] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ke baye bakwazi ukunciphisa ikhabhoni yabo NGENXA efana ne-15%, ndiyakholwa.

Andinayo idata phambi kwam. Ke yinxalenye yedrive ye-decarbonization ebanzi. Njengesigaba sokuqala bafakele itekhnoloji yethu kwaye benza iprojekthi yokufowuna simahla ecaleni kwayo kwaye ndicinga ukuba bazakuba nesicwangciso sokufaka umbane intsalela yabo, ke, yintoni ngoku ukusebenzisa kwabo irhasi kule minyaka izayo. Ke ewe, thina, sinikezela ngabasebenzisi bokugqibela, uyazi, inxalenye yesisombululo esipheleleyo. Ke itekhnoloji yethu iya kungena ecaleni kobunye ubuchwephesha. Ke uyazi, unokusebenzisana kunye nempompo yobushushu, usebenze kunye, uyazi, iibhoyila zabo zegesi ezikhoyo ukunciphisa ukusetyenziswa kwezo boilers. Rhoqo, umsebenzisi wokugqibela uya kuba nohlobo lwenkqubo yokufudumeza eqhutywa ngerhasi abaya kufuna ukuyifakela umbane kwixesha elizayo. Baza kufuna mhlawumbi ukunciphisa ukusetyenziswa kwebhoyila namhlanje ngokufaka itekhnoloji yethu kwaye emva koko xa bethatha indawo ekugqibeleni iibhoyila zabo zegesi ngombane okanye impompo yobushushu, itekhnoloji yethu isebenza ecaleni kwentsha, uyazi, impompo entsha yobushushu ukunciphisa ukusetyenziswa kombane kwempompo yobushushu. Ke intle kakhulu kwaye ikuvumela ukuba, ubambe uhambo lwakho lwe-decarbonization, eyona nto inomdla kakhulu kubasebenzisi abaninzi beminyhadala kuba ewe kufuneka balinganise iimfuno zabo kwi-decarbonization kunye nesidingo sabo sokuphumelela kwezoqoqosho unyaka nonyaka. Kwaye ngamanye amaxesha indlela yokwenza ngezigaba yindlela yokwenza oko.

[00:24:13] UJackie De Burca: Ngaba kukho nawuphi na kubasebenzi uhlobo lwezimvo ngolu hlobo lukrelekrele ngokwenene okanye lwahlukile okanye nantoni na? Ngaba ungafumana naluphi na uhlobo lwempendulo kwiqela lalapho?

[00:24:21] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe, ewe. Ndithetha xa sasinonxibelelwano nethala leencwadi lalapho. Bachulumancile kakhulu yiprojekthi. Siyakwazi ukubabonelela ngeqonga elihle lokubeka iliso kwaye oko kuthetha ukuba bafumana uhlobo lokubona kwizikrini zabo zekhompyuter ukuba zivelisa ntoni kwaye kwenzeka ntoni. Eyona nto intle kakhulu kuba ibenza basondele ngakumbi kwiprojekthi.

Ubona i-asethi phezu kwendlu kwaye uzibuze ukuba yenza ntoni? Kodwa ngenxa yokuba sinokuzibonisa ngexesha lokwenyani, ezi ziikilowatts, ezi zii-kilowatt iiyure. Nantsi into eyenzekayo ngenkqubo yakho okwangoku. Iyenza ibe yinyani ngakumbi kubo. Ke ewe, yayilinqaku elihle elongeziweyo. Kodwa ewe, ngokubanzi wonke umntu endikhe ndathetha naye kwithala leencwadi kwaye amaqabane ethu ebevuya ngokwenene.

[00:25:01] Jackie De Burca: Fantastic. Ngoku ubuyela kwisihloko esicacileyo se-decarbonisation yobushushu. Ubushushu bubalelwa kwi-50% yokukhutshwa kwamandla kwihlabathi kwaye i-75% yaloo nto ivela ifosili yeefuweli. Ngaba itekhnoloji yaMandla eNaked inegalelo njani, ekuJonganyeni lo mba ubalulekileyo, uAlex?

[00:25:23] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe. Ngoko igalelo njengenxalenye yomxube omtsha wamandla.

Ke, uyazi, i-heat decarbonization iya kuba yindibaniselwano yezinto ezahlukeneyo. Kuya kuba ngokuyinxenye iimpompo zokufudumeza, uyazi, ukusebenzela, ukuvelisa amanzi ashushu kunye nomphunga. Iya kuba yihydrogen kwezinye iindawo kunye nenani leminye imithombo kwaye iya kuba bubushushu belanga.

Kwaye apho ubushushu belanga bulungile ngokwenene ekufakeni igalelo kulapho unabasebenzisi bobushushu abanemfuno yobushushu ehlotyeni. Ke nokuba ngabasebenzisi borhwebo abanamanzi amaninzi ashushu, ngakumbi apho bahlala khona abantu, ke iihotele, iibhloko zezindlu, amakhaya okukhathalela, iindawo zokuhlala, izinto ezinjalo. Kwaye ke kwakhona ubushushu benkqubo yakho esezantsi yobushushu kuba basebenzisa ubushushu unyaka wonke. Ke naphi na apho kusetyenziswa ubushushu unyaka wonke sisicelo esihle kakhulu. Isicelo sobushushu belanga apho inokusebenza ecaleni nokuba yeyabo, uyazi, amafutha efosili ekhoyo okanye ecaleni kwempompo yobushushu okanye zombini.

Ngokuchasene nenkolelo eqhelekileyo, iyasebenza ngokupheleleyo kwiindawo ezisemantla.

Ngoko ukuba ujonga apho ehlabathini basebenzisa ubushushu belanga ngaphezu kwayo nayiphi na enye indawo, ngokwenene amazwe afana neAustria kunye neDenmark, emangalisa abantu ngenxa yokuba abantu abaninzi bacinga, oh, oku kunokusebenza kuphela, kumazantsi eYurophu naseAfrika kunye, kunye neGEC njalo njalo. Iyasebenza ngokwenene, kwimozulu esemantla kakhulu nakumazantsi kakhulu. Ngoko ifanelekile ngokugqibeleleyo kumantla eYurophu, umzekelo, kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo e-uk. Ke, ewe, ndicinga ukuba inendima enkulu kakhulu ekufuneka iyidlalile kwaye ndiyacinga ukuba sityhala ngamandla kuhlobo lwezicelo zemizi-mveliso, ndicinga ukuba sinetekhnoloji elungileyo kunye nendima elungileyo ekufuneka siyidlalile.

[00:27:06] UJackie De Burca: Ngokucacileyo, imida yeegridi ekufakeni umbane unikezelo lobushushu lwase-UK lwenza itekhnoloji efana ne-solar thermal iyimfuneko. Ubona njani ukulunga okuhambelana neempompo zobushushu kwisicwangciso esibanzi sokukhupha ubushushu?

[00:27:22] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe. Ngoko ke inokwenzeka kwinani lamanqanaba, ngoko inokwenzeka kwinqanaba lesakhiwo somntu ngamnye. Ngoko ukudibanisa ubushushu belanga kunye nempompo yobushushu busebenza kakuhle kwaye kukho okwaneleyo njengenani leendlela ezahlukeneyo zokudibanisa onokuzisebenzisa. Kwaye sineeprojekthi ezininzi ebaleni apho banenkqubo yegesi ecima ngokupheleleyo esebenzisa indibaniselwano yetekhnoloji yethu yelanga kunye nempompo yobushushu. Ke loo nto inokusebenza kakuhle. Ungayenza kwinqanaba eliluncedo. Ngoko ke ndiphume entlanganisweni ndithetha ngezicelo zothungelwano lobushushu. Uyazi, bakha inethiwekhi yobushushu ngoku kwindawo yam Dolophu e-Worthing, kunye nobushushu belanga bunokuba negalelo apho kakuhle. Ngoko buthungelwano lobushushu obusengqiqweni ukwenza mhlawumbi, uyazi, kwimozulu efana ne-UK, ungenza mhlawumbi i-20% yemfuno ngobushushu belanga kwaye ulungelelanise oko ngempompo yobushushu okanye enye into. Ukuba ukuMzantsi Yurophu, ingafana ne-50%.

Ngoko unokudibanisa kumanqanaba ahlukeneyo. Ingaba kumgangatho wokwakha, unokuba ngumgangatho oluncedo, unokuba kumakhaya ngabanye, unokuba kwizakhiwo ezinkulu zorhwebo zorhwebo. Kukho ukhetho oluninzi olwahlukeneyo lokuhlanganisa.

[00:28:33] UJackie De Burca: Ngoku Amandla aNze ayakhula kwihlabathi jikelele. UAlex, zeziphi iimarike ogxile kuzo kwaye uhlengahlengisa njani itekhnoloji kwimimandla eyahlukeneyo kunye nemozulu?

[00:28:44] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe.

Ke sigxile kakhulu kumantla nakumazantsi eYurophu nakuMntla Melika okwangoku. Ke uninzi lofakelo lwethu ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, ndingathi i-80% yi-UK kunye ne-Netherlands, kodwa siqala ukuba ne-tracking elungileyo eJamani, eSpain kunye nakuMntla Melika. Ke kukho umgca wokuvelisa oqala e-US kunye neqabane lokuhambisa apho. Sineprojekthi yethu yokuqala kwiYunivesithi yaseCreighton, emnandi ngokwenene. Kwaye ndiyathemba ukuba siyafudukela Khanada ngokunjalo, kuba njengoko benditshilo, kukho ithuba elihle ngokwenene kwimozulu esemantla. Yethu. Inyaniso yokuba siyitekhnoloji yetyhubhu ekhutshiweyo ithetha ukuba sinokusebenza kwezo zinyuko zasentla, nto leyo ilunge ngenene. Kwaye sikwanzima kakhulu kwimitha ephezulu kunye namaqondo obushushu, ngoko ke sinokusebenza kwimozulu esemazantsi kakhulu. Ewe, uxolo kakhulu. Kwaye ndithetha nomntu osemantla ogobe apha. Ndiyathetha, ndithetha, ndithetha, kufutshane nepali kwaye kufutshane ne-ikhweyitha zombini ziyasebenza. Sinezisombululo zokuxhoma ezahlukeneyo ngokuxhomekeke kwisibanzi. Kungenxa yokuba ii-engile zelanga zahlukile. Ewe. Ngoko ke ngokwenyani sinayo. Sineentlobo ezimbini zesakhelo sentaba, enye isuka kuhlobo lwezibanzi zepolar, uyazi, mhlawumbi emantla okanye emazantsi kakhulu. Ngoko ke umntla Yurophu uya kuba ngumzekelo, okanye Canada okanye emantla US

kwaye sinesinye isakhelo sobubanzi obungaphezulu be-ikhweyitha ekwakuvumela ukuba ujikelezise iityhubhu kwi-engile eyiyeyona. Ke phakathi kwezi ntlobo zimbini zinyukayo, siyakwazi ukugquma nantoni na ukusuka kwi-ikhweyitha ukuya, uyazi, i-60 degrees yesibanzi, kulapho ama-99% abantu behlabathi bahlala khona. Ke, injalo, injalo, iyasebenza kuzo zonke iimozulu.

[00:30:38] UJackie De Burca: Intle kakhulu. Ngoku, ngaba kukho naziphi na izinto ezintsha ezizayo okanye iiprojekthi kwiNaked Energy oyonwabele ngakumbi?

[00:30:47] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe. Ke kwinqanaba leprojekthi, sele siza kwenza iprojekthi entsha kakhulu. Indawo yemizi-mveliso kwingingqi yaseMidlands e-UK sidibanisa ne-absorption chiller ukuze sikwazi ukunika ukupholisa kwelanga ngemveliso yethu yokufudumeza ilanga. Ilungile ngokwenene loo nto. Oko kwisigaba sokuqala. Kwaye ke kwisigaba sesibini nesesithathu saloo projekthi, siya kuba Ukusebenzisa into ebizwa ngokuba yi-inter seasonal ukugcinwa kobushushu, okusivumela ukuba sivelise ubushushu belanga ehlotyeni kwaye sibusebenzise kwisakhiwo ekwindla nasebusika ngokugcina inxalenye yobo bushushu kumatanki amakhulu kakhulu kunye nenye inxalenye yobo bushushu kwimingxuma engaphantsi komhlaba.

Intle ngokumangalisayo, iprojekthi entsha kwaye ijongana nengxaki, uyazi, ungayilungisa njani imfuno yakho yokufudumeza indawo yasebusika? Ukusebenzisa ubushushu belanga, obuvelisa kakhulu ehlotyeni kunasebusika. Oko kuvuyisa ngokwenene.

Kwinqanaba lemveliso, ngoku siqala i-R kunye no-D kweyethu Isizukulwana esilandelayo yeemveliso. Sijonge indlela yokufumana ukusebenza kakuhle kwe-thermal kwi-pvt.

Iimvavanyo zokuqala zemveliso ziyenzeka namhlanje. Oko kuvuyisa ngokwenene.

Kwaye kwimveliso ye-thermal kuphela, sijonge ekuphuculeni ukuxinana kwamehlo ngokutshintsha indlela esenza ngayo uyilo lwe-angular yesipili ukuze sibe noxinzelelo oluphezulu kancinane kodwa ngaphandle kwesidingo sokulandela umkhondo. Sekunjalo, oko kuvumela ukufumana ukusebenza kakuhle okuphezulu, ubushushu obuphantsi kunye neendleko eziphantsi.

Ke kukho isibini, kukho ezinye ezimbalwa kwicala lemveliso, kodwa uyazi, ezo, zizinto ezithatha ixesha lam okwangoku.

[00:32:23] UJackie De Burca: Kulungile, amaxesha amnandi, anika umdla. Ngokucacileyo.

Alex, yintoni oyibonayo njengeyona miqobo mikhulu ekwamkelweni okuxhaphakileyo kobugcisa besolar thermal kunye nePVT kwaye zinokoyiswa njani?

[00:32:37] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe.

Ngoko inxalenye yayo yinkcubeko kunye nokuqonda.

Ngoko sasino-Ed Miliband kwiiofisi zethu xa wayenguNobhala we-Shadow kwaye sambonisa igrafu enomdla ngokwenene awayifumene enomdla kakhulu, okuthunyelwa kobushushu belanga kumazwe ahlukeneyo eYurophu.

Kwaye ukuba ukhangele eJamani nase-Austria naseDenmark, ukuthunyelwa ngentloko nganye kuphakathi kwe-10 kunye ne-20 amaxesha angaphezu kwe-UK.

Ukanti ukuba ujonga la mazwe, imozulu iyafana kakhulu. Ke imozulu ayiyongcaciso.

Amazwe abo anenqanaba elifanayo lophuhliso lwezoqoqosho, aneenkcubeko ezifanayo. Ke kukho into eyenzekileyo apho ethetha ukuba iimbono zobushushu belanga e-UK zahluke kakhulu kwiimbono zobushushu belanga eJamani nase-Austria naseDenmark. Ngoko ke, singazitshintsha njani ezo mbono ukuze kumazwe afana neli lethu siqalise ukwenza izinto ezintle eziye zenziwa kwenye indawo.

Kwaye kungokunika abantu itekhnoloji elungileyo, ethembekileyo. Kwaye sathetha ngesiqinisekiso. Imalunga nokubonelela abasebenzisi bokuphela iphakheji efanelekileyo yokubeka iliso ukuze babe nokuzithemba ukuba bavelisa amandla ababethenjisiwe.

Kwaye ngokwenza oko, uqala ukwenza igama elihle lobushushu belanga kwaye, kwaye wenze abantu babone amandla alo. Kwaye ndiyacinga ukuba sinje, sithatha inyathelo elilungileyo kuhambo olusingise ekwenzeni oko. Ngoko kukho ewe, nceda.

[00:34:11] UJackie De Burca: Uxolo, lityala lam. Bendisiba nemincili apho kuba ndinokuthi, uyazi, sele ndiyisebenzisa iminyaka emihlanu okanye emithandathu apha eSpain, akukho nto intle njengokwazi ukuba awenzi nto ngaphandle kokungena, amandla akhoyo akhoyo kuthi.

[00:34:29] UGqr Alex Mellor: Kuyanelisa kakhulu, akunjalo? Kwaye kukwabiwe indalo nayo. Intle kakhulu loo nto. Ayingomandla ahlaziyekayo enziwa kumgama ongamakhulu eemayile kwaye emva koko axutywe nazo zonke iintlobo zezinye iintlobo zamandla kwaye angahlaziyekiyo aze abe luhlobo lwengcingo kuwe. Yenzeka phezu kophahla apho ukhoyo. Yindlela esulungekileyo kwaye yedemokhrasi yokuvelisa amandla.

[00:34:52] UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo kunjalo. Ke ukuqhubela phambili kwikamva, ubona njani kule minyaka mihlanu izayo ukuya kwelishumi izayo apho iNaked Energy kunye neshishini lamandla ahlaziyekayo liya kuba khona?

[00:35:06] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe. Ke njengoko nditshoyo, ndicinga ukuba, ubushushu ngumceli mngeni omkhulu athe wonke umntu watshintshela kuwo. Ndicinga ukuba, oko kuye kwaqatshelwa kakuhle kumantla eYurophu naseMelika. Ke uyazi, apho besifanele khona, uyazi, xa ndiqala eNaked Energy ndaziva ukuba kufuneka ndifundise wonke umntu malunga nokubaluleka kobushushu obuvuselelekayo. Ngelixa ngoku sinabathengi abaza kuthi besithi kufuneka sikhuphe ubushushu bethu. Ke olo tshintsho kwiparadigm lwenzeka ngesantya esikhawulezayo, esimangalisayo. Kwaye ukujonga nje okwenzekayo esijikelezileyo ngokwemiqathango yezenzo zabathengi bethu, izenzo zamaqabane ethu, ngokwenene ndicinga ukuba ubunezibalo kwaye hayi mna, uJackie, kodwa andikhumbuli ukuba zingaphi iipesenti ozithethileyo malunga nobushushu obuveliswayo, yimithombo engavuselelekiyo. Kwakukwi-80s.

[00:35:56] UJackie De Burca: 50% Ndicinga ukuba yayiyiyo, ndiyacinga.

[00:35:58] UGqr Alex Mellor: I-50% yimali yamandla esiwasebenzisa njengobushushu. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba kulaa 50%, ndiyacinga, ndicinga ukuba phantse ama-90% akhona.

[00:36:05] UJackie De Burca: 75. Uxolo, ewe.

[00:36:06] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ukusuka kumafutha efosili.

[00:36:07] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, yayiyiloo nto.

[00:36:08] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe, ewe, ndiyayibona nyani loo nto isihla kwaye ewe, kunye, ngeNaked Energy ndiyacinga, ndicinga ukuba sidlala indima ekhulayo kuloo nto. Ndithetha ukuba, jonga, uyazi, thina, singomnye weenkampani ezininzi kwaye yenye yetekhnoloji eninzi kwaye wonke umntu wenza igalelo lakhe ekusombululeni loo ngxaki yemozulu. Kodwa ndiya ndibona sisenza into ebalulekileyo.

[00:36:30] UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ke ewe, ngamaxesha anomdla. Ngokucacileyo ngamanye amaxesha sifumana ntoni ezindabeni. Ewe, iintsuku ezininzi zinokudakumba ukuba asazi malunga nezinye izinto ezintle ezenzekayo. Ukuba unokunika icebiso elinye kubenzi bomgaqo-nkqubo okanye amashishini athandabuzayo ukwamkela itekhnoloji yobushushu obuvuselelekayo, inokuba yintoni?

[00:36:53] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ndingathi ndijonge kwihlabathi liphela kwaye ndibone ukuba yintoni ephumeleleyo kwaye yintoni engazange iphumelele kwaye apho ilizwe likwazile ukwenza impumelelo yokwenyani yetekhnoloji, njengoko kwenzekile, umzekelo, ukushisa kwelanga eDenmark nase-Austria. Zibuze ukuba kutheni kunjalo kwaye uzame kwaye uyivelise kwakhona kwijografi yakho kwaye usebenzise loo mzekelo ukulwa noogxa bakho abathi, oh, uyazi, le teknoloji ayisiyiyo apha.

[00:37:17] UJackie De Burca: Ugqibelele.

Ngoku, iingcamango zokugqibela. Yintoni ekukhuthazayo ngomsebenzi wakho? Ndicinga ukuba sikhe sayichukumisa loo nto. Kodwa, uyazi, into oyenzayo ngeNaked Energy, yintoni ekukhuthaza kakhulu? Yaye ngowuphi umyalezo okanye imiyalezo ongathanda ukuyishiyela abaphulaphuli bethu?

[00:37:34] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ngokuqinisekileyo.

Ke kum, ndikhe ndayichukumisa le nto ekuqaleni. Kukukhuthazwa kobuthunywa kunye nabantu.

Ndiyathetha, oko kumalunga nokusebenza kuloo ndawo. Yiloo nto uphuma kuyo.

Injongo, ukusombulula ingxaki yemozulu, ukuvuselela, ukwenza oko ngokusombulula imingeni enzima yobugcisa. Kwaye ke abantu, uyazi, inkitha yabantu abohlukeneyo abakulo hambo kunye nawe, bobabini abaNaked Energy kunye namaqabane ethu kunye, kunye nabathengi bethu. Yiloo nto eyenza kube yindawo enomdla ngokwenene ukusebenza kunye nendawo enkulu yokusebenza. Lonto indenza ndivuke ekuseni.

[00:38:12] UJackie De Burca: Kwaye ekugqibeleni, ndicinga ukuba kufuneka ndongezele enye ngenxa yomnye umsebenzi ofakwe kwi-bio yakho eza kubandakanywa kwiphepha lenkqubo apha. Unaye unyana, andithi?

[00:38:23] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ewe, injalo.

[00:38:24] UJackie De Burca: Ke loo nto kufuneka ifane kakhulu, uyazi, idityaniswe nayo yonke le ntshukumisa unayo.

[00:38:30] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ndiyathetha, ewe, ngokupheleleyo.

Uyazi, kwafika ixesha ebomini bam kwiminyaka embalwa eyadlulayo apho bendihlala ndixhalabile malunga nokusingqongileyo kunye nengxaki yemozulu. Kodwa ndiyacinga, ndicinga ukuba ndisemncinci yayiluhlobo lwenkxalabo yobukrelekrele. Yinkxalabo eyenzekayo entlokweni yakho.

Kwaye ndicinga ukuba kule minyaka yamva nje, inxalenye yayo iya isiba mdala kwaye inxalenye yayo ibona okwenzekayo ngakuwe, iba yinkxalabo yeemvakalelo kunye ne-visceral njengoko uqala, uqala ukucinga, oh, oku kuya kubachaphazela abantwana bam kunye nosapho lwethu kwaye kuthetha ntoni kubo, kunokuba, oh, le yinto eyenzekileyo. Uyazi, ingcamango yezizukulwana ezizayo, ibonakala ingekho, akunjalo?

Kodwa xa uqala ukucinga ngayo malunga nabantu abakujikelezileyo ekukhuleni kwakho, akufuneki ukuba ibe ngabantwana bakho, nguwe kuphela, abantu abatsha abakujikelezile ebomini bakho, uqala ukuba, ndiyacinga, ngakumbi. Ukuxhalaba ngakumbi kwe-visceral malunga nokuba kuthetha ukuthini ukutshintsha kwemozulu.

Uyazi, iyoyikisa.

[00:39:38] UJackie De Burca: Yeyabantu abaninzi, abaninzi. Kodwa umsebenzi, umsebenzi obandakanyekayo kuwo ubaluleke kakhulu kwaye uyakhuthaza.

[00:39:44] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ngenene, kulungile ukuba yinxalenye yomzabalazo. Kwaye, uyazi, baninzi abantu ngoku abayinxalenye yomzabalazo. Ngoko ke kuhle.

[00:39:52] UJackie De Burca: Yiloo nto. Ke, mamela, ibinomdla kakhulu, inika umdla, kwaye ndiyalibulela ixesha lakho.

[00:40:00] UGqr Alex Mellor: Ndiyabulela kakhulu ngokuba nam. Jackie, bekumnandi ngokwenene ukuthetha nawe.

[00:40:03] UJackie De Burca: Enkosi kakhulu. UAlex uthanda ubulumko. La ngamazwi akhayo.