S3, E18: Ubume beedolophu zethu kunye noDkt Nadina Galle, iCandelo loku-1

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Molo emva kwemini, lo nguJackie De Burca waMazwi Akhayo. Kwakhona, ndirekhoda eSpain. Kulo mzekelo, nguSeptemba kwaye iSpain inesiphango kunye nemvula efunekayo esele siyilindile iinyanga. Into endikhokelela kakuhle kundwendwe lwanamhlanje, ongumbhali phakathi kwabanye abaninzi. Igama lakhe nguDkt. Nadina Galle, kwaye ubhale incwadi emangalisayo, leyo yincwadi yakhe yokuqala ebizwa ngokuba yiNdalo yethu yokuQinisekisa Amandla eHlabathi leNdalo ukusinda kwiPlanethi eguqukayo. Nadina, ndingathanda ukuba uthi molo kubaphulaphuli kwaye uzazise.

[00:00:51] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Ewe, molweni, baphulaphuli, kwaye molo, Jackie. Enkosi kakhulu ngokuba nam. Kuluyolo kwaye liwonga lokuba uzimisele ukuchitha ixesha elininzi kunye nam kunye neengcamango ezininzi ezichazwe kule ncwadi. Yiyo. Yiloo nto. Ndithetha ukuba, yayiyiloo nto ukubhala incwadi. Ngoko ndichulumancile kwaye ndinombulelo kakhulu.

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[00:01:56] UJackie De Burca: Uyamangalisa. Ngoku ukutsibela komnye weyona mibuzo ibalulekileyo ebomini namhlanje. Njengoko ndiyibona. Nadina, ulubona njani ubudlelwane bangoku boluntu nendalo?

[00:02:09] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Ndicinga ukuba sesinye esinqunyulwayo. Ndicinga ukuba sesinye esithe saba bubunewunewu ngandlel’ ithile.

Ukuphonononga okanye ukuba kwindalo yinto esiyibona njengento esinokuyenza ngempelaveki enqabileyo okanye mhlawumbi kwiholide okanye uhambo olude, into esikhokelela ekubeni sivakalelwe ngathi, ndiyayidinga kakhulu le nto. Le yinto ekudala isusiwe kubomi bam kwaye ngoko ke ndiza kuyibeka phambili kwiholide, umzekelo. Kwaye leyo yinto endizama ngokwenene ukuyibuyisela kwihlabathi lethu lemihla ngemihla, imikhwa yethu yemihla ngemihla, okanye olu nxibelelwano lwemihla ngemihla nendalo. Kulapho ndikholelwa ukuba sinokufumana ukomelela kwemozulu kwiindawo zethu zasezidolophini, kwiindawo esihlala kuzo. Kodwa ndiyakholelwa ukuba yeyona nto iphambili ekubuyiseleni imiba emininzi esiyibonayo malunga nempilo yengqondo, yethu. impilo yomzimba, kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo, ubomi bethu obude, kokubili thina, iintsapho zethu, kwaye ndiza kuthi, kubaluleke kakhulu, abantwana bethu.

[00:03:13] UJackie De Burca: Ke, Nadina, ucinga ukuba uluntu ngokubanzi luziva lwahluliwe kwindalo okwangoku?

[00:03:20] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Ndingatsho njalo, ewe, kuninzi lwabantu. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba loo nto inento eninzi yokwenza nendlela esiphila ngayo. Ndicinga ukuba yinto ethile yendalo njengoko abantu behlabathi besiya bekhula ezidolophini. Oko kukodwa kuzise ubutyebi obungaqhelekanga kwaye ezintsha kunye nokunyuka kudidi oluphakathi kubantu abaninzi, abaninzi kwihlabathi jikelele. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba yinto enokubhiyozelwa ngokupheleleyo. Kodwa ngaloo nto, siphulukene nonxibelelwano lokwenyani nento endiyiphikisayo isenza abantu. Yaye olo lunxulumano lwethu nehlabathi lendalo. Kwaye loo nto inokuba yinto elula njengokuzivumela ixesha lokuva impepho ebusweni bethu, okanye ukusivumela ukuba sitsho phantsi ngeenyawo zethu emhlabeni, okanye ukusivumela ukuba sihambe thina nabantwana bethu siye kubethwa ngumoya epakini. Ezi ntlobo zeepokotho zonxibelelwano lwendalo, nokuba uhlala ezidolophini, yinto endivakalelwa kukuba kufuneka siyibeke phambili. Sihlala sithetha ngempilo entle ngengqiqo yokuba, kufuneka silale kakuhle, sitye ukutya okulungileyo, kufuneka senze umthambo, sinciphise uxinzelelo lwethu. Kwaye ndingatsho ukuba intsika yesihlanu enkulu yempilo yethu kukuvezwa kwethu kwindalo. Kwaye nantso into endikholelwa ukuba siyilahlekele ngokwenene. Kwaye ndiyacinga ukuba besingayibeka phambili loo nto, siya kumangaliswa yinto eyenzayo kuzo zonke ezinye iinkalo zempilo, ngokuqinisekileyo.

[00:04:46] UJackie De Burca: Ke ndivumelana nawe, ngokucacileyo, Nadina, uvela kwindawo endiye ndanethamsanqa lokudityaniswa nendalo. Ngoku, ngaphambi kokuba singene emsebenzini nakwincwadi yakho, ngaba ungabelana ngebali lakho lobuqu ngokufutshane, kodwa ngakumbi ngokubhekiselele kwiimeko ezimbini eziphembelele ubomi bakho obutsha? Nadina?

[00:05:06] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Ewe, ke ndicinga ukuba eli libali lobuqu elinzulu kum. Ndakhulela kwindawo eqhelekileyo kuMntla Merika kumazantsi-ntshona eOntario eKhanada. Kodwa ndazalelwa eNetherlands. Ndafudukela apho xa ndandineminyaka emithandathu ubudala.

Kwaye ndaba nethamsanqa lokukwazi ukubuyela eNetherlands kunye nosapho lwam kwaye ndityelele usapho kunye nabahlobo bosapho apho. Kwaye oko ngokwenene ukwaziswa okuninzi, Ndingathi, ngokwenene eselula, uyazi, ukususela kwiminyaka 8 okanye 9, olu hlobo uthelekiso phakathi kwendawo apho ndandihlala kule ihlomela North American kunye neendawo apho abazala bam okanye abahlobo bentsapho bahlala kunye eNetherlands. Kwaye ndaziva ngathi le mimandla yaseNetherlands ayithethi ukuba iNetherlands ifumana yonke into ngokufanelekileyo. Kodwa ndiye ndaziva ngathi, ngokuyinxenye ngenxa yokuba ezo ngingqi zasekuhlaleni bezigxile kakhulu ekuhambeni okanye ekukhweleni ibhayisekile okanye ezinye iindlela zothutho olusebenzayo, ukuba ngokwenza oko zigcine iindawo ezininzi zendalo kunye neepaki ezininzi. Ibiyimbono nje engaphaya kucwangciso lwedolophu. Kwaye ndaziva ngathi ezo ndawo zendalo ziyafana kakhulu eCanada, kwaye ndingaphikisa, ukucwangciswa kwedolophu yaseMntla Melika. Kwaye ndayibona le nto ngokunzulu kakhulu, uyazi, abazali bam. Indlu abasahlala kuyo unanamhla, indlu endakhulela kuyo yayingaphandle kwedolophu encinci. Kwaye kule minyaka ingama-20 ndihlala apho, loo nto yaphantse yaba ngumbindi wesixeko ngenxa yokuba kungakanani uphuhliso olwalusenzeka ngaphandle kwezi ziketi zangaphandle ngendlela eqhelekileyo yasezidolophini. Kwaye bendiya kudlula kwenye yezi ndawo zakhayo zintsha kwindlela yam yokuya kwisikolo samabanga aphakamileyo esitsha abasakhileyo ukuze sikwazi ukuhlawulela konke oku kwanda kwabemi kutsha apho. Kwaye bendiya kuyenza loo nto kwaye bendihamba ndityhutyha ezi ndawo, ebezifudula zinjalo amahlathi okanye amasimi ombona, kwaye ndingahamba ndinqumla kwezi ngingqi kwaye uyakubona, uyazi, ngokupheleleyo i-ikhosistim kuncitshiswe, kwaye kuya kuba, uyazi, izaliswe zezi, uyazi, i-cookie cutter beige. kumakhaya. Kwaye emva koko, babeza kungena baze batyale imithi embalwa. Kwaye loo nto yandichukumisa nje, ngendlela engaqhelekanga. Ndinje, huh, ke, uyazi, oku kum kwiminyaka eyi-14, 15, ngathi, umnqakathi, akunjalo? Njengoko, besiya kususa yonke imithi. Sibeka amakhaya ethu, kwaye emva koko sibeka emithini emva, enjani indlela engasebenzi kakuhle yokwenza izinto. Ewe, uyazi, ndimdala kwaye ndilumkile ngoku kwaye ndiyayiqonda loo nto uphuhliso lwedolophu kufuneka kwenzeke, kwaye oko kunzima kakhulu embindini wehlathi elishinyeneyo. Kodwa andizange ndiqonde ukuba kutheni yonke into kufuneka isuswe. Kutheni singenako ukuqiniseka njengoko nam, njengoko, uyazi, indawo ehlala abazali bam ekhoyo namhlanje yakhiwa ngasekupheleni kweminyaka yama-70s, ekuqaleni kweminyaka yama-80s. Kwaye unokulubona kakhulu olo hlobo lophuhliso apho bebesagcina amahlathi amakhulu phakathi kwamakhaya. Ngokwenene babezibeke phambili iindlela zokuhamba phakathi kwamakhaya, kwaye kwakukho imithi emininzi kunye nemithi ekhulileyo eyagcinwa. Kwaye ndiye ndacinga ukuba loo nto ayiqhelekanga, ngathi, kutheni siphulukene nayo? Kwaye abazali bam ngokuqinisekileyo babeluhlobo lwabazali abathanda ukukhuthaza udadewethu kunye nezinto endizithandayo kunye nezinto endinomdla kuzo. Ke, uyazi, ndiye ndavakalisa ezinye zezi nkxalabo kubazali bam kwaye utata wabuya ngosuku olulandelayo ephethe imfumba epheleleyo. iincwadi yathi mandizifunde. Kwaye emva kokuba ndizifundile, sasincokola. Kwaye ezi yayiziincwadi zikaJacobs, uyazi, isazi sasezidolophini esaziwayo uJames Howard Kunstler, owaqulunqa eli gama laseMelika. Le ngcamango, uyazi, i-centric yemoto esasazeke kakhulu uyilo kunye nezoyikiso ezizisileyo. Kwaye olo hlobo luqale okuninzi kokucinga kwangaphambili. Kwaye uninzi lwayo lweza isangqa esipheleleyo kum xa ndaqala ukufunda i-ecology eyunivesithi.

Kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo yayiyi-ecology, uyazi, kude nezixeko zethu. Kwaye ke akuzange kube kude kube yiPhD yam apho ndiye ndabuyisela ukugxila kwedolophu ekukhanyeni. Kwaye kulapho kwafika khona isangqa esipheleleyo kum kuba ndaqonda ngoko ukuba asinakukwazi, njengoko uluntu lunekamva ngendalo de saqonda indlela yokuphila ecaleni kwayo kwimihla ngemihla, ubomi basezidolophini kakhulu.

[00:09:08] UJackie De Burca: Uqaqambe kangakanani ukuba abazali bakho babetyekele ngaloo ndlela. Ndiqinisekile, ndiqinisekile ukuba kufuneka ube nombulelo omkhulu malunga nezo ntsuku zokuqala. Kwaye ngokucacileyo phakathi koku kunye nalo lonke uhambo lwakho olunomdla, ubhale incwadi ebesiyichazile ngaphambili ukuba olu ngcelele luza kuba ngayo. Siza kwenza iziqendu ezimfutshane ezine ezahlukeneyo malunga nobume bezixeko zethu, sisebenzisa amandla ehlabathi ukuze sisinde kwisijikelezi-langa esiguqukayo. Nadina, ndiyithanda kakhulu indlela obalisa ngayo ibali ngokwembono yakho. Ke ufana nokudibanisa imbono yokuba libali kwicala elinye, kodwa lifakwe ngokupheleleyo kwizinto ezininzi ezibalulekileyo, uyazi, iikhonsepthi kunye nobuchule kunye nezixhobo. Ngaba unganika nje ulwandlalo olufutshane kakhulu koko banokulindela ukufunyanwa ngabafundi kwincwadi yakho?

. isimbo inoveli. Ke kukho incoko yababini, maninzi amabali obuqu, amabali amaninzi, kwaye ngethemba lokuba zininzi izifundo eziluncedo endleleni. Ndingumlandeli omkhulu kaMalcolm Gladwell, obhala kule nto, ke, into enethemba lokuzama uhlobo olufanayo lwesitayile apho, uyazi, asondeza kakhulu, kakhulu ibali lendawo aze aphinde asondeze kwakhona ukuze azobe. Ingxaki enkulu yehlabathi kunye nento esinokuyifunda kuyo kwaye emva koko sisondeza umva kwakhona. Ngoko ke sisitayile endinethemba lokusixelisa. Kwaye into enokuthi ilindelwe ngabafundi kule ncwadi izahluko ezisithoba ezifakwe kwi-prologue kunye ne-epilogue. Ke kwakhona, uhlobo lokunqwala kolu hlobo lwencwadi eyintsomi. Le Prologue ichaza isixeko esingenayo indalo. Kwaye kunjalo. Yinkangeleko ye-dystopian ukuba injani na isixeko ngaphandle kwendalo. Ukuzoba nje ukungxamiseka, ndingatsho, ukuba kutheni umfundi kufuneka abe lapha. Kwaye siphetha ngethemba ngesiphelo esonwabisayo ngesi siganeko sizoba esixekweni ngendalo nzulu, sidityaniswe nzulu kubomi bethu. uyilo lweedolophini kunye nezinto abantu kweso sixeko abahlangabezana nazo mihla le. Kwaye phakathi kwentshayelelo kunye ne-epilogue kukho izahluko ezisithoba, ngasinye sazo sigxile kumcimbi okhethekileyo wasedolophini. Ke kukho isahluko kulawulo olusekwe kwizibonelelo, kubushushu obugqithisileyo, kuqhubeke zendle, kwizikhukula, kuqhubeke ilahleko yendalo, impilo yengqondo, ubomi obude, kwaye okokugqibela, unxibelelwano lwabantwana, okanye kufuneka sithi ukuqhawula kwindalo. Kwaye zonke ezi zahluko zilandela uhlobo olufanayo lwefomathi apho zizoba ingxaki ngalo mba ukhethekileyo wasezidolophini, zichaza ngokwenene izinto ezenzekayo kwihlabathi lanamhlanje kwaye zibonisa indlela indalo enokudlala ngayo indima ebalulekileyo kuloo nto. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba yeyona nto imangalisayo ngale ncwadi, kukuba indalo iyakwazi. Sisisombululo esineenkalo ezininzi, ngokwenene sinokuba ne mpe mbelelo kububanzi nje bemiba eyahlukeneyo yasezidolophini. Kwaye ke ijonge ukuba yeyiphi itekhnoloji enokunceda indalo. Singayandisa njani ngokwenene kwaye siyandise indima yendalo phakathi kwezo zisombululo sisebenzisa olu ncedo lwetekhnoloji? Kwaye ndibiza ukuba yi-Intanethi yeNdalo.

[00:12:13] UJackie De Burca: Oko kusikhokelela ngokugqibeleleyo kumbuzo olandelayo. Adina. Ndiyathetha, ndicinga ukuba into eyandichukumisayo kukuba ubonisa lo mtshato phakathi kwetekhnoloji kunye nendalo ngokumangalisayo nangokucacileyo, ewe. Ukuthetha nge-Intanethi yeNdalo, yintoni kanye kanye loo nto?

[00:12:31] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba yinto eyothusayo leyo kubantu abaninzi. Kunene? Njengokuba, kusekho abantu abaninzi abafana, uyazi, yintoni i-heck yendalo kunye neteknoloji eyenzayo kwisivakalisi esifanayo? Kwaye zininzi iindlela ezahlukeneyo zendlela endifike ngayo ekuqondeni oko, kodwa ndicinga ukuba eyona inzulu, eyona ntanda-bulumko okanye eyeyomoya, ukuba ungayibiza ngolo hlobo, kukuqonda ukuba izixeko yindawo yokuhlala yabantu. Kunene? Kulapho sihlala khona. Kulapho uninzi lwabantu luhlala ngoku kwaye kulindeleke ukuba luphile. Kwaye xa ndisithi izixeko, ndicinga ukuba abantu bahlala bengayiqondi kakuhle loo nto. Owu, uthetha, uyazi, bacinga ngeManhattan. Kunjalo. Ayisiyiyo loo nto. Asiyiyo kuphela inkcazo yesixeko. Ngesixeko, ndithetha iindawo zasezidolophini, iperi. Iindawo zasezidolophini, iilali, iidolophu, naphi na apho unesimo sedolophu. Kulapho unxibelelwano nendalo lubaluleke kakhulu, zombini njengesithinteli ntlekele zemvelo ukuba kunjalo, iza kuza ngokuphindaphinda rhoqo kunye noburhalarhume. Kodwa nakwimpilo yethu kunye nokuba sempilweni. Kwaye ngokusisiseko, uyazi, ukuba bendifumene indlela yam, ngendiyibize le ncwadi ngokuba yiNdalo yendawo esihlala kuyo, kuba yiloo nto kanye ethetha ngayo, ukwandisa olu nxibelelwano nendalo apho sihlala khona. Kodwa kukwakho oku kuqonda ukuba ezi ndawo sihlala kuzo ngamaqumrhu anamhlanje kakhulu. Kunene. Siyibonile inguqu enkulu yetekhnoloji ekuhambeni kwethu, ulawulo lwenkunkuma, ukukhanya, ukhathalelo lwempilo, idemokhrasi, zonke ezi nkalo zahlukeneyo zokuba kuthetha ukuthini ukuba ngumntu ngo-2024, kodwa asikayiboni loo nto kwindalo. Kwaye yonke injongo ngencwadi kukunceda ukuzisa indalo kwi-intanethi kwaye ibonise ukuba ukuba sifuna ukudibanisa indalo kwakhona kwizixeko zethu zanamhlanje, oko kuyakufuna indlela yangoku. Kwaye ngokuqhubekayo ndinombono wokuba itekhnoloji ayidlali indima kuloo nto, ndicinga ukuba bubudenge kuba izibonda ziphezulu kakhulu, kungxamiseke ngendlela emangalisayo. Kwaye itekhnoloji, njengoko siza kuxoxa ngeendlela ezininzi ezahlukeneyo, inokusinika isixhobo, esinye sezininzi kwibhokisi yethu yezixhobo, ukunceda indalo ukuba ifumane indawo yayo efanelekileyo kwizixeko zethu.

[00:14:44] UJackie De Burca: Uyamangalisa. Ngoko ubonakaliswe kumajelo amaninzi. Ndaye, ndachukumiseka kakhulu xa ndiqala ukwenza uphando lwam ngo-unadina.

Ngaba ungasixelela ngenkangeleko yakho kwiBBC Earth?

[00:14:56] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Ewe, yayiyingxelo emnandi kakhulu endiye ndayenza noMike Trotter, umenzi wefilimu onesiphiwo, kunye neqela le-BBC Earth. Kwaye ngokubalulekileyo into esiyigxininise kuyo yindima yomthi wesitrato kwaye ngokukodwa yintoni esongela umthi wesitrato esisezidolophini kunye nezinye zezisombululo ezinokubonelela ngeteknoloji ekuncedeni imithi yesitalato. Ke iqala ngehlathi ledolophu elisuka kwisiXeko saseLondon, kwaye libonelela ngombono wowona mthi udumileyo wesitrato. iintlobo, ngenxa yokuba kukho iindidi ezimbalwa zemithi ezinokusinda kubunyani bobomi esitratweni esixekweni.

Kwaye ke ndinikezela ngeembono malunga neengozi zokuba ne-monoculture eninzi kwizitrato zethu, kuba ukuba neentlobo ezininzi zemithi efanayo, ewe, kuvulela ukufa okukhulu xa unesitshabalalisi okanye isifo esithile. iya kuhlala ihleli. Kwaye ukuba awunalo ihlathi lezitrato ezahlukeneyo okanye ihlathi lasezidolophini, unokuba nokufa okukhulu apho, nto leyo enokusoyikisa kakhulu.

Kwaye enye indima edlalwa buchwephesha. Ke nokuba oko, ndiyathetha, enye yezona zinto zibalulekileyo, ewe, kukwenza imephu echanekileyo yemithi yesitrato esinayo, kuba asikwazi ukulinganisa, asikwazi ukulawula into esingayilinganisiyo. Kwaye oko kubaluleke kakhulu kuba kusekho imithi emininzi yesitrato kwizixeko ezijikeleze umhlaba ezingenayo idatha ilungileyo ebangqongileyo. Kwaye ndiyakholelwa ngokwenene ukuba idatha efanelekileyo isiseko saso nasiphi na isicwangciso solawulo olulungileyo lwemithi yasezidolophini, kodwa kunye neeteknoloji ezincinci ezifana nento elula njengenzwa yokufuma komhlaba, esinokuyityala kunye xa sityala umthi omtsha kwaye sincede imithi imise ngokukhawuleza. . Ngoko bafuna uncedo lwethu. Bafuna uncedo lwethu kancinci naphantsi. Kwaye leyo yinto ebaluleke ngokwenene nakwimpilo yomthi. Yinto engaqhelekanga. Xa utyala umthi esixekweni, ufuna ukuwunyamekela kakuhle kuba, kakade, sibeka lo mthi kwindawo engeyoyamvelo. Kodwa nawe awufuni, ukucaphula, ukucaphula, ukumosha kakhulu, kuba ukuba uyonakalisa kakhulu, inokuqhela uncedo olongezelelweyo kancinane kakhulu. Kwaye ke, ufuna ukuba izimele kwaye ikwazi ukukhula yodwa. Uyazi, kukho uhlobo oluthile lokufana okuhle onokuthi ukuzoba apha phakathi kokukhulisa abantwana ngokunjalo. Ufuna ukubakho kwaye ubaxhase. Asifuni ukubamosha kakhulu.

Into efanayo nangomthi wesitrato. Kwaye inzwa yokufuma ingasetyenziselwa ukuqinisekisa ukuba bafumana umlinganiselo ofanelekileyo wamanzi ngexesha elifanelekileyo. Kwaye umthi ufumana. Oko ngokwenene ikhula ngokukhawuleza kathathu. Kwaye ke unokuwususa xa uziva ngathi umthi awusafuni nkxaso ingako. Kwaye kukho inkitha yobunye ubuchwephesha obunokudlala indima apho. Kodwa yayiyenye yohlobo lokuqala lwamaxwebhu amakhulu endiye ndaba yinxalenye yawo. Kwaye yayingamava amnandi kakhulu kuba mna, uyazi, ndiphuma kwiziko lemfundo, eyona njongo yam yayikukufumana la mabali abo bonke aba basunguli kunye nobu buchwepheshe buphume ehlabathini. Kwaye kude kube namhlanje, ndikhangela eyona ndlela ilungileyo yokwenza oko. Kwaye olu yayiluhlobo lwam lokuqala lokungena kumdlalo wefilimu. Kwaye ndiyithanda ngokupheleleyo loo medium. Kunjalo nje. Yinto esebenzayo Ukuxoxa ngamabali ephakathi.

[00:18:20] UJackie De Burca: Yiyo. Injalo ngokwenene. Ke, ewe, wenze kakuhle kakhulu ukufika kwi-BBC Earth, uyazi, kwangoko kolo hambo, njengoko uluchaza. Kuthekani ngeMedia Enhle, icwecwe leendaba elinesihloko esithi le Njineli Yakha iidolophu ze-Eco nge-Intanethi yeNdalo.

[00:18:37] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Ewe. I-Beautiful Media yinkampani yaseMzantsi Afrika, kwaye bagxile kakhulu njenge-buzzfeed yakudala, okanye kukho enye i-brand ebizwa ngokuba yi-Upworthy eyayisenza ezi zinto. Bagxile ngokwenene ekufumaneni la mabali eendaba alungileyo avela kwihlabathi liphela kwaye abonise ukukhanya kuwo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba kweli hlabathi kunye noluntu lwentshabalalo kunye nobumnyama kwaye, uyazi, ukusasazwa kwamajelo eendaba mihla le, kuhle ukubona la maqonga esusa ekugxileni ekwabelaneni ngeendaba ezilungileyo kuphela. Kwaye ndibe nethamsanqa lokuba yinxalenye yenye yezi ndaba zilungileyo. Benza ezi vidiyo zimfutshane. Ndicinga ukuba zimalunga nomzuzu okanye umzuzu onesiqingatha ubude. Ndimelwe kukwenza udliwano-ndlebe nabo emva koko bayikrwece kunye kwaye benze le nto intle ye-90 yesibini yonke malunga ne-Intanethi yendalo kunye neenzuzo ezinokusinika kubomi bethu basezidolophini.

[00:19:29] UJackie De Burca: Kulungile. Ngumbono omangalisayo, njengoko usitsho, embindini wayo yonke le ntlekele kunye neendaba ezimnyama esijongene nazo yonke imihla.

Enye impumelelo emangalisayo, uNadina, kukuba uye wangena kuluhlu lweForbes 30 phantsi kwama-30 kudidi lwenzululwazi nokhathalelo lwempilo. Umele ukuba wavuya kakhulu.

[00:19:50] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Ewe, yayilusuku oluhle olo. Oko, oko kwakulula kakhulu. Oko kwakupholile. Kwaye ikakhulu kuba, uyazi, kukangaphi apho i-ecologist ingena kuluhlu lweForbes 3030, akunjalo? Ndiyathetha, leyo yinto ebekelwe yona, uyazi, nakwinqanaba lezempilo kunye nesayensi, uyazi, igcinelwe njengabaseki bezempilo, uyazi, kakhulu, uyazi, oosomashishini. Kwaye nangona ndizithatha njengosomashishini, andiyazi, uyazi, ndizithatha njengosomashishini waseSilicon Valley. Ke ukuba ne, ukuba nolwamkelo lweengcinga endikuthumo lokusasaza kwiqonga elinje ngeForbes enento nje, uyazi, ukuqondwa okunjalo bekungakholelekiyo.

[00:20:39] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, iyamangalisa ngokwenene. Ndiyaqikelela ukuba, kukunqwala, ubuncinci ukunqwala kwinto yokuba, uyazi, indalo iyinxalenye yempilo yethu, mhlawumbi.

[00:20:49] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Hayi, yiloo nto kanye. Yiloo nto kanye. Kwaye mna, uyazi, ndaziva ngendlela efanayo ukufumana ikontrakthi yencwadi kunye noHarperCollins. Uyazi, bendinayo, uyazi, le, ibiyinkqubo yonke ngokwayo, kodwa njengokufumana iarhente kwaye emva koko ndibeke isindululo sencwadi kushicilelo oluninzi olwahlukeneyo kunye nabapapashi. Kwaye kwakukho umdla ovela, uyazi, ooshicilelo bezemfundo, abangandiphathi kakubi, ndandisele ndinombulelo kakhulu, kodwa ndandifuna ngokwenene ukubhala incwadi kuluntu jikelele. Ndandifuna ngokwenene oku ukuba nkulu kunemfundo nje. Uyazi, bendishiya academia ukwenza oku. Ke bendifuna ngenene ukuba iqhubele phambili, ndigqithe ngakumbi kunoko. Ke xa uHarperCollins, uyazi, omnye wabane abakhulu wandinika isivumelwano sencwadi, yayiyiloo nto kanye, uJackie. Yayiluqwalaselo lwendalo kwizixeko zethu, kubomi bethu bemihla ngemihla, lubaluleke kakhulu kwindlela esiphila ngayo kunye nendlela esiphila ngayo, nokuba oko kunxulumene nemozulu okanye kunxulumene nempilo. Kwaye siyakholelwa ukuba kukho ibali elaneleyo apha, elingaphezu kokwaneleyo kubaphulaphuli ngokubanzi. Njengokuba yayikule nto nje, oko kuqondwa ngaphakathi kwaye ngokwayo, nje. Ewe. Oko ndandonwabile ke apho. Uyazi, ngoku le ncwadi iphumile, ifana nebhonasi eyongeziweyo yokuba abantu bawafunde onke la mabali. Kodwa oko kukodwa, oko kwamkelwa kwakusoyikeka.

[00:22:05] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, ndifumana ntoni, yintoni amazwekazi abiza ngayo ulusu lwenkukhu. Kwaye singatsho ukungcangcazela njengoko usitsho kuba ndiyazi, ndiyazi ukuba kubaluleke kangakanani kwaye ngumpapashi omangalisayo kuwe, uyazi, kukhangelo lwakho lokufumana ibali lakho kunye nolwazi lwakho phaya, uyazi, yintoni. Isivumelwano esimangalisayo sokufumana kwaye yeyiphi incwadi emangalisayo. Ndithetha ukuthi, ndiza kuthetha ukuba sisondela ekupheleni kwesi siqendu sokuqala sentshayelelo. Yincwadi emangalisayo kuba uyibhale kakuhle, unolwazi oluninzi onokuthi ugqithise kwaye uyibalisa ngale ndlela uyichazile. Kwaye isebenza ngokwenene kuba iyafikeleleka. Ndiyakholelwa ukuba iyafikeleleka kuJoe okanye kuJane Public ukufunda ngokulula, uyazi.

[00:22:49] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Ewe. Kwaye loo nto incoma kakhulu xa abantu besithi, andizange ndikwazi ukuyibeka phantsi. Yayifundeka njengentsomi. Kwakukho ingxoxo eninzi, yayibandakanya. Uyazi ukuba ekugqibeleni yiloo nto uyifunayo kuba ukuba unako, ukuba ufumana abantu bavaleleke ebalini kwaye bazibandakanye kwaye babe nemincili, kulapho umyalezo uza kufika ekhaya. Kunene. Kulapho uyazi ukuba baya kufunda iphepha ngalinye lokugqibela lencwadi yakho. Yiyo loo nto ndiyiyo, uyazi, ewe, amabhaso nayo yonke into intle kwaye ukuqondwa kukhulu. Kodwa ndinebhongo kakhulu ngophononongo lweAmazon oluza nezo zinto ngokufanelekileyo. Kubafundi bokwenyani abafana nawe abayifundileyo le ncwadi kwaye baziva bephefumlelwe. Kwaye ndingatsho ukuba ndiyazingca ngenyani xa abantu besithi baziva benethemba kwaye banethemba emva kokufunda le ncwadi kuba njengoko benditshilo ngaphambili, kukho intshabalalo kunye nobumnyama kwihlabathi lethu namhlanje. Kwaye oko kuyayophula intliziyo yam. Yazi ibuhlungu intliziyo yam into yokuba abantu bacinge ukungafumani bantwana kuba benexhala lokuba babasa emhlabeni onjani. Njengaye, kwaye kukho, uyazi, i-12, i-13, i-8 yeminyaka ubudala esikolweni ejongene ne-eco enzima kunye ukuxhalaba kwemozulu. Njengaye, oko kuyayophula intliziyo yam kwaye ndiza kwenza nantoni na endinokuyenza ukunceda ukuzisa ithemba kunye nethemba ebomini babo kuba ndiyakholelwa ukuba sinethemba elingaphezulu elaneleyo kunye nethemba lokumisela indlela esizakha ngayo izixeko zethu kunye nendawo esihlala kuyo.

[00:24:10] UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Nadina, incwadi yakho iqinisekile. Ngokuchanekileyo, uyazi, kanye into oyithethileyo malunga nophononongo lweAmazon kunye nengxelo oyifumanayo. Kwaye uyazi, sibe nenani lezinye iindwendwe ezahlukileyo, uyazi, imithambo eyahlukeneyo, ukuba uyathanda, yamathuba amahle kakhulu malunga neentlobo ngeentlobo zezinto eziphilayo kunye imo iyatshintsha. Kukho izixhobo ezininzi kunye nezinto ezinokwenzeka ngaphandle kwaye kukufumana abantu abaninzi ukuba bazi ngazo. Ndicinga ukuba, nam ndicinga njalo.

[00:24:38] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Ndicinga njalo. Kwaye inika ingxelo eyahlukileyo.

[00:24:41] UJackie De Burca: Ewe, ngokupheleleyo. Besiza kuchukumisa amawonga akho abalulekileyo. Uphantse wakurhoxisa oko ugqibele ukukuthetha, kodwa ngaba kukho naziphi na ozithanda ngakumbi, uyazi, wonwabile okanye unebhongo ngazo ongathanda ukuzikhankanya?

[00:24:56] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Ndenze kakhulu, ndonwabe kakhulu xa mna, ngo-2019, ndanikwa iFulbright Scholarship ukuba ndenze inxalenye yokugqibela yePhD yam kwiMIT Sensible City Lab, eyayiliphupha eligqibeleleyo kuba yayiyilebhu kunye neqela lophando endandijonge kulo iminyaka emininzi, emininzi. Kwaye umphathi wam wePhD kwiKholeji yaseyunivesithi Dublin kwiKholeji yaseTrinity eDublin, apho ndenza khona iP.D. wayenaye kwiminyaka eli-15 eyadlulayo, ndicinga ukuba ngelo xesha uchithe ixesha elebhu kwaye wathetha ngayo ngobubele.

Kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo ukuya eMIT akunakwenzeka ngaphandle kohlobo oluthile lokufunda. Sisikolo esibiza imali eninzi ngendlela emangalisayo. Ke ukufumana iFulbright Scholarship, ukuze ndikwazi ukuya ixesha leenyanga ezintandathu kwaye ndenze uphando lwam lwasendle kunye nophando lwam elebhu kukho iphupha elizalisekileyo. Kwaye ndisenonxibelelwano oluhle kakhulu nelebhu. Kwaye uyazi, ezo ntlobo zamabhaso ziyamangalisa kuba, uyazi, ayisiyonto nje yokuqondwa, kodwa ikunika iindlela zemali ukuze ube namava kwilebhu obungenakuba nayo kwaye ukwazi ukuthungelana kunye nokudibanisa. nabantu phesheya kwelinye icala echibini ukuba basebenza kwezi ntlobo zemiba yinto esandizuza yonke imihla.

[00:26:16] UJackie De Burca: Ndicinga ukuba abantu oye wajongana nabo kwisixeko sasekhaya saseDublin, eBathathu Emnye kunye ne-UCD kufuneka bavuye ngakumbi kukubona okwenzileyo. Kwaye ngokungathandabuzekiyo okufanayo kubantu abakunikeze iFulbright Scholarship.

. Abacebisi nje, abaxhasi, abantu nje ukusuka kusuku lokuqala kwaye bazive ngathi unayo le nto, uyazi, nantoni na oyifunayo ukwenza oku kwenzeke, nokuba kunjalo, uyazi, njengeleta yereferensi okanye, njengokunyaniseka nje igama elikhuthazayo.

Ndisuka nje kusuku lokuqala ukuba ngenene, ndixhasa ngokwenene kwaye eyona nto bebesoloko bexhasa ngayo yile mishini bendiyiva, ngenene, ukusukela ndimncinci, ukusasaza ulwazi malunga neengcinga, kuba nabani na owayendazi ngelo xesha naye. uyazi ukuba andizuwuvala umlomo ngezi ngcinga. Ke into yokuba ndikwazile ukwenza umsebenzi ngalonto, liphupha ngokwenene. Ndinjalo ke. Ndibulela kuye wonke umntu othe wandinika inkxaso.

[00:27:20] UJackie De Burca: Kwaye ngokucacileyo, kwezinye iinkqubo zeenkolelo, abantu banokuthi indalo ibikuxhasa apho, Nadina.

[00:27:26] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Ngokuqinisekileyo.

[00:27:27] UJackie De Burca: Ewe. Yinto emangalisayo. Ngoko, mamela, siza. Siza kuzisa esi siqendu sifutshane ekupheleni, kodwa esi sisingeniso somsebenzi wakho. Kwaye sinezinye iziqendu ezithathu ezizayo esinazo ngobulumko kunye nengcebiso yakho. Ngokucacileyo, zahlule zibe zizixhobo kunye nobuchule obusebenzisa indalo njengesikhuseli ngokuchasene nokutshintsha kwemozulu. Emva koko isiqendu esilandelayo emva koko siya kuba zizixhobo kunye nobuchule bolawulo olungcono lwendalo yasezidolophini kunye nokubeka iliso. Kwaye ke okokugqibela, sinezixhobo kunye nezenzo ezilungileyo ezidibanisa ukuvezwa kwendalo yemihla ngemihla kwizicwangciso zempilo. Ngoko kukho into eninzi eyoyikekayo elindelekileyo. Nadina, enkosi kakhulu kwaye ndiza kuthetha nawe kwakhona kungekudala.

[00:28:13] UGqr. Nadina Galle: Enkosi, Jackie. Thetha kungekudala.

[00:28:15] UJackie De Burca: La ngamazwi akhayo.