I-Energy Performance of Buildings Directive (EPBD): I-Game-Changer ye-European Building Sustainability kunye noStephen Barrett we-IGBC

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UJackie De Burca: Molo, lo nguJackie Burca waMazwi Okwakhayo, kwaye namhlanje ndikunye noStephen Barrett, ekusenokwenzeka ukuba uve ethetha ngeCobh kunye neCork, kunye neIreland ndicinga ukuba kwinqanaba lokugqibela.

Ngoku, uStephen ngumphathi wenkqubo, ubomi bubonke bekhabhoni ye-Irish Green Building Council, kwaye ubandakanyeka kakhulu kwinto ethile. Iprojekthi okwangoku, enxulumene ne-EU kwaye ngokucacileyo inomdla kakhulu kula maxesha siphila kuwo. UStephen, enkosi kakhulu ngokuthatha ixesha kwakhona ukuthetha nam namhlanje.

UStephen Barrett: Kumnandi ukuba lapha.

UJackie De Burca: Enkosi.

UStephen Barrett: NdinguStephen Barrett. Ndingumanejala wenkqubo yeCarbon ubomi bonke kwiBhunga loKwakha iGreen Green. Ndajoyina iminyaka emine edlulileyo kwaye ndichithe lonke elo xesha ndizama ukuqhuba i-ajenda kwizakhiwo ezisebenzayo zekhabhoni.

UJackie De Burca: Imnandi. Ngoku, [00:01:00] unganika abaphulaphuli bethu, uStephen, amagqabantshintshi angento oyibiza ngokuba yiEPBD, emele i-Energy Performance of Buildings directives?

UStephen Barrett: Ewe. Ke ukusebenza kwamandla kumyalelo wezakhiwo ngumyalelo we-EU onoxanduva lwakho. Isiqinisekiso sokusebenza kwamandla. Ke eIreland, yiNkqubo yokuKhawulwa kwamandla okwakha. SineSistim yokuReyitha amandla oKwakha njengempendulo ngqo kwi-EPPD. Yahlaziywa kunyaka ophelileyo. I-EPPD yahlaziywa, ke ngoku sinezibophelelo ezininzi ekufuneka sizifezekise kule minyaka mithathu izayo.

Ukusebenza kwamandla abantu abaqhelekileyo. Uyazi, inkqubo yokukala ukusuka ku-A ukuya ku-G yendlela isakhiwo esisebenza ngayo. Iyatshintsha. Ugxininiso lwe-EPBD luya kude kumandla nje nangaphezulu ukuya kwizinto ezikhutshwayo. Enye inxalenye yayo ukuba siya [00:02:00] uphonononge ngeenkcukacha ezithe vetshe luvavanyo lwe-GWP yomjikelo wobomi apho mm-hmm.

Endaweni yokuba, okanye kunoko, kunye neemfuno zamandla okusebenza kwisakhiwo sakho. Kuya kubakho imfuneko yokulinganisa ubomi bonke, ukukhutshwa kwekhabhoni yomjikelo wobomi besakhiwo, entsokothileyo. Ke ndicinga ukuba yile nto siza kuthetha ngayo ikakhulu ngoku.

UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ewe, ngokupheleleyo. Ngaba uziva ngathi uStephen EPBD unokuvusa uguqulo loyilo kwindawo eyakhiweyo?

UStephen Barrett: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba inako, kwaye ndicinga ukuba yiloo nto eyilelwe ukuyenza. Kukho into engaqondwa kakuhle novavanyo lomjikelo wobomi yindlela engachaphazeli ngayo nje isakhiwo somntu ngamnye. Into eyenzayo kukunika umqondiso kubaboneleli bezinto zokwakha ukuba ufuna izinto ezahlukeneyo zokwakha isakhiwo sakho.

Oko kuthetha ukuba iinkqubo zokuvelisa ziyatshintsha, [00:03:00] ukuba abantu ngokwenene bayabuza. Okunye malunga nendlela abazifumana ngayo iimveliso. Kwaye ke xa ubuza ukuba uyikhupha njani, ngoko ke umthengisi, uh, ukuze bagcine isabelo sabo semarike okanye ukonyuka bazame ukukhuthaza abo. Ke luhlobo lwendlela yokujonga kumzi-mveliso, ukuba uyathanda, yesakhiwo sakho kunokujonga nje ixabiso lemveliso oyifumanayo.

Kodwa ewe, ndicinga ukuba inamandla, ukuba iphunyezwe ngokufanelekileyo, ukuqhuba abayili bezakhiwo ukuba bajonge iindlela ezahlukeneyo zokwakha izakhiwo kunye nezixhobo abazakha ngazo.

UJackie De Burca: Ngokucacileyo inkulu kwaye ndiyakhumbula xa sasisenza incoko yethu yophando, ukhankanye ukuba ngenene ipeni ayikawisi kulo lonke elaseYurophu kwaye uyazi, mininzi imingeni ephambili.

Stephen, uvakalelwa kukuba yintoni eyona nto iphambili kubo?

UStephen Barrett: Ewe, ngoko sikubona kwamanye amazwe, [00:04:00] amazwe aphantsi kwendlela kukuba abaqulunqi bezakhiwo bajonge ekwenzeni isakhiwo singabi nje ngokusebenza ngokufanelekileyo, kodwa sisebenze ngakumbi kwizinto eziphathekayo. Kwaye loo nto ifunyenwe ngononophelo ngakumbi.

Ke ayizukuba lishishini njengesiqhelo kubantu abaninzi kweli shishini, ukusuka kumyili ukuya kumenzi, ukuya kubantu abasakha izakhiwo ngenxa yokuba izinto ezisetyenzisiweyo kufuneka zibe nexabiso elikhulu kunangoku. Ngoko ke ndicinga ukubonelelwa kwezinto. Iza kutshintsha kakhulu. Abantu okwangoku balinganisa nje okanye bazama ukuqonda ukuba yintoni ukukhutshwa kwekhabhoni ehambelana nekhonkrithi yam?

Kodwa xa sele sinomzimba wolwazi kunye nabantu abanobuchwephesha kuloo ndawo, siya kuqala ukuthi, singayitshintsha njani? Sinokuyinciphisa njani? [00:05:00] Kwaye loo nto iyasebenza kuye wonke umntu okwishishini. Andiqondi ukuba oko sele kuqatshelwe. Abantu ngoku bazama nje ukufumanisa indlela yokwenza oko.

Kwaye zithini iinombolo zam zesakhiwo sam? Kodwa xa siqala ukuyibona kwisikali ngokubanzi, emva koko siya kuqalisa ukubona amashishini ayingqongileyo ezama ukubonelela ngolwazi olungcono. Kwaye ukuze banikeze ulwazi olungcono, baya kufuna ukuphucula iinkqubo zabo ukuze ulwazi lungabi luhle kuphela ngokomgangatho wolwazi, kodwa iinqobo ezifunwa ngabathengi babo.

UJackie De Burca: Kunene. Ndiyathetha, sisihloko esintsokothileyo kakhulu, ukutsho kancinci kwakhona, kodwa enye yezinto othe wazikhankanya ngaphambili sisidingo seemodeli ze-BIM ukuhlangabezana nezi ntlobo zeemfuno. Ucinga ukuba zilungiswe kangakanani iingcali zoyilo kunye nezokwakha, kolo tshintsho?

UStephen Barrett: Ke into enye ngokwenza uvavanyo lobomi bomjikelo a [00:06:00] isakhiwo phambi kokuba kwakhiwe kufuneka ngokwenene uhlobo isicwangciso imeko.

Mmm-hmm. Ulindele ukuba esi sakhiwo sibe njani kwiminyaka engama-50 ezayo okanye nokuba yintoni na. Awudingi nje ulwazi oluthe kratya malunga neemveliso kwisakhiwo sakho, ufuna ulwazi malunga nendlela eya ngayo. Yenza, yenza ngexesha lokuphila kwayo kunye nento oza kuyenza ngayo ekupheleni kobomi bayo.

Ke ezi zinto azicingelwanga kwaphela okwangoku. Okwangoku, sicinga nje malunga neendleko. Apho i-BIM ingena khona kufanelekile, kufuneka isinike iimodeli zoyilo ezichanekileyo kunye nalo lonke ulwazi olujikeleze olo yilo kwiinkcukacha ezininzi kunezo sizenzayo ngoku. I-IGBC iphanda indlela yokwenza oku kube lula kangangoko kunye nexabiso eliphantsi kangangoko.

Sijonge kwiklasi ye-IFC Industry Foundation njengendlela ye-BIM eyahlukileyo [00:07:00] softwares ukuthetha omnye komnye. Inye into endiyifumeneyo kukutyhala kakhulu ukuba asisebenzisi i-bim. Senza imizobo, kodwa asisebenzisi i-bim, kwaye kubonakala kum. Leyo yingxoxo efanayo naleyo yokuthi sisebenzisa ipeni nephepha hayi iikhompyutha.

Asazi ngoku, kodwa njengoko sifunda izibonelelo, siqala ukujonga ubuchwepheshe obutsha kwaye ndicinga ukuba i-EPBD iya kutyhala abantu ngakumbi kwi-BIM ngenxa yoko kungekuphela nje oku, kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo oku kuya kuba yinxalenye enkulu.

UJackie De Burca: Certainly to do those type of calculations that no one in the industry is right now doing, you know, that’s not a design job, is it?

UStephen Barrett: Hayi. Senze iprojekthi yeprototype usebenzisa i-Excel spreadsheets, sizama ukulinganisa amatyala okanye amanani kwi-Excel kwaye senze zonke izibalo kuloo nto, kwaye kwaba njalo. Ucotha kakhulu, kakhulu [00:08:00] buhlungu. Kodwa isizathu yayikukuba sasiqala phantsi ngezixhobo ekuphela kwazo esasinazo ngelo xesha. Safunda lukhulu kuyo.

Inye into esiyifundileyo yayikukuba abantu bazilungiselele kwangaphambili, njengoko bekutshiwo, uya kulufuna olu lwazi okwangoku, ke akukho nzima kangako. Yenye nje. Inxalenye yenkqubo yoyilo. Kuphela kuxa uzama ukuyenza ukusuka ekuqaleni kwisakhiwo osele usigqibile. Kunzima ngenene.

Kodwa ukuba uyenza njengenxalenye yenkqubo yoyilo, inokuba luncedo ukuyila. Inokukunceda uqonde. Apho unokuthi uphumelele ngakumbi, kungekhona nje ngokwemiqathango yekhabhoni, kodwa ngokubhekiselele kwizinto eziphathekayo. Ukuba usebenzisa imathiriyeli encinci, uneendleko ezincinci ngohlobo lwesakhiwo sakho. Ukuba unokwenza lula isakhiwo, kwakhona, ayinciphisi nje ikhabhoni yakho, iya kunciphisa iindleko zakho zokusebenza kunye neyakho. [00:09:00] iindleko zokugcina.

Ukwenza olu hlobo lovavanyo, akukhona nje malunga. Umlawuli ukunyanzela ukuba wenze okuthile ngenxa yeemfuno zabo zokunika ingxelo. Inokukunceda ukuba wonge iindleko kwaye wongeze ixabiso kwisakhiwo sakho kumjikelo wonke wobomi baso, hayi nje iindleko ezinkulu zokusakha, kwaye ke nokuba yeyentengiso eqikelelwayo okanye irenti okanye nantoni na, kukho ixabiso elithe chatha apho.

UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ndicinga ukuba into ethi qatha engqondweni yam, uStephen, ngabantu abancinci. Oko sithethe ngako ngokufutshane kwesinye isiqendu. Uyazi, baya kujonga indlu okanye ifulethi okanye iofisi abajonge ukuyirenta okanye ukuyithenga, kwaye baya kuba nalo lonke ulwazi ngaphambili malunga, kulungile, ixabiso lepropathi yile, okanye ixabiso lerenti yileyo, kodwa yile nto uya kuchitha amandla kunyaka ngamnye ukuyiqhuba, uyazi, ngexabiso le-X labantu.

Okanye ndicinga ukuba kuya kuba ngathi, uyazi, kuya kubakho inqanaba. Isakhiwo ngokwaso, kodwa kwakhona [00:10:00] abahlali, ndiyacinga.

UStephen Barrett: Ngokuqinisekileyo isakhiwo esiyilwe kakuhle kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo isakhiwo esonga amandla sinokuyalela intlawulo ephezulu yerenti. Ukuthatha ixesha lokuthathela ingqalelo ezi zinto ekuqaleni kunokuba nenzuzo enkulu yeendleko kunye nenzuzo yekhabhoni.

Ukuba uyakwazi ukubonisa umqeshi onokubakho ukuba baya kuba behlawula kancinci kumatyala abo amandla. Emva koko unokuhlawulisa intlawulo yerenti yakho.

UJackie De Burca: Yiyo leyo. Yona, iyafana xa ifika eziphilayo. You know, I’ve had this conversation with other experts. If the place has lots of beautiful nature, well, you’re talking about an upmarket place straight away.

UStephen Barrett: Ewe, ngokupheleleyo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba uninzi lwabathengi, abaqeshi, amashishini ayaziqonda ezi zinto zibalulekile kubasebenzi babo, ke ukukwazi ukubonelela abasebenzi bakho ngendawo ebhetele ngokuqinisekileyo kutsala abasebenzi obafunayo apho.

UJackie De Burca: Ubunokuthini [00:11:00] imida yokuxhomekeka kuphela kwiindlela zakudala ngokuchasene nendlela i-BIM enokuphucula ngayo ukuthotyelwa kunye nokusebenza?

UStephen Barrett: Ngoko ke ukuxhomekeka kwiindlela zakudala, uya kuba usenza izibalo zakho ngokucothayo. Iireferensi zeenombolo eziya kukuphambanisa. Xa thina kwi-IGBC sijonge kumgqomo ovulekileyo wasimahla apho unokuncamathisela yonke le datha kwimodeli. Kwinqanaba loyilo ukuze njengoko uyila, ufumana impendulo.

Ukuba unamathela kwiindlela zakudala, kuya kufuneka wenze uyilo, uluvavanye, wenze olunye uyilo, uluvavanye, kwaye luya kuba lude kwaye lube buhlungu. Sijonga iindlela onokuthi uzenze, sibeka amanani kuyilo njengoko uyilo luguquka, ukuze ukwazi ukutshintsha udonga, ukususa udonga, ufumana utshintsho olukhawulezileyo kumanani acelwa nguLee.

Ngoko. Ukuba unamathele endala [00:12:00] iindlela, uya kuba iterating kakhulu, ngokucotha kakhulu. Ukuba uhamba ukuya kwi-bim, indlela endiyibona ngayo unakho, ngoko iba sisixhobo soyilo kuzo zonke ezinye izibonelelo, kungekhona nje amanani akho ekhabhoni aphantsi kangangoko kunokwenzeka.

UJackie De Burca: Kwaye ndiyayithanda inyani yokuba ndibambelele kwelinye igama ngumthombo ovulekileyo kwaye ngokucacileyo elinye igama likhululekile.

Uyazi, umthombo ovulekileyo wabantu abangayiqondiyo yinyani yokuba, uyazi, akunjalo, andizukuqamba nawaphi na amagama ebhrendi, ngoko ayilogama elenziwe luphawu oluthile kwaye ke alinakutshintshwa. Ngokusisiseko kuthetha ukuba abantu abanobugcisa ngokwaneleyo banokungena kwaye baphucule inkqubo kwaye isimahla.

Akunjalo?

UStephen Barrett: There’s a particular open source platform that I always push. I don’t know if I can mention it here. There’s an open source BIM called Bonsai bim. If you go to bon side bim.org, you can download the whole BIM software there and start designing straight [00:13:00] kude. Unokwenza kwakhona izongezo kuyo ngenxa yokuba ngumthombo ovulekileyo.

UJackie De Burca: Ngummangaliso.

UStephen Barrett: Kwaye ukuba unobuchule bobuchule, nantoni na onokuthi uyiphuphe, unokongeza kuyo.

UJackie De Burca: Fantastic. So I’m gonna assume that’s bonsai, like the, like the trees? No. Yes, yes. B for Bertie, O for orange, N nothing. S for sugar, A for apple, I for Ireland. That wasn’t the best phonetic alphabet, but that’s how it’s spelled, isn’t it?

Ewe. Imnandi. Imnandi. Intle kakhulu. Ngoku ukuqhubela phambili kwinqaku lesixhenxe le-EPBD, kutheni uchaza ukupapashwa kwayo njengohlobo lompu wokuqalisa?

UStephen Barrett: Sisiqalo kwakhona, kuba sinethayimthebhile phakathi kwangoku kunye nomhla woku-1 kuJanuwari, 2030 ukuya kumhla woku-1 kuJanuwari, 2030, kufanele ukuba sibala kwaye sibhengeze ikhabhoni yomjikelo wobomi kuzo zonke izakhiwo, zonke izakhiwo ezitsha.

Andiqinisekanga ukuba [00:14:00] it’s going to apply to renovations yet, but definitely all new buildings by the end of. Next year, 2026, we need to be feeding back to the European Commission on a roadmap that details limit values. That means saying to the EU by 2030, we will be stipulating that no building can have a carbon footprint of x.

I-Kilos ye-CO2 ngemitha yesikwere, kwaye ke ngo-2032 iya kuba ngumfanekiso ophantsi, kwaye ngo-2034 iya kuba ngumfanekiso ophantsi. Ke yinto yokuqala ekufuneka siyenzile kukuseka loo trajectory. Ukwenza oko, sidinga indlela yokubala amanani azondla kuloo trajectory. Ngo-2028, sizakuqala ukulinganisa izakhiwo ezingaphezulu kwewaka leemitha ezikwere.

Ngoko nayiphi na. Ukwakha isicelo ngaphezulu kwe [00:15:00] Iwaka leemitha ezizikweri kuya kufuna uvavanyo lobomi olwenziwa kuyilo. Uh, ngo-2030, oko kuya kusebenza kuzo zonke izakhiwo. Ke, uh, sisiqalo sompu kwindlela esikubala ngayo ukukhutshwa kwekhabhoni, hayi izinto ezikhutshwayo zokusebenza esihlala sizenza, kodwa isakhiwo ngokwaso saseIreland.

Oku kuqala ngoku. Ikhonkrithi kunye nentsimbi, izinto ezichaphazela elo nani kakhulu. Ngoko siza kuqala ukujonga loo nto

UJackie De Burca: ngoku xa imini ifika. UStephen, ucinga ukuba ishishini liya kuphendula njani xa usazi ukuba i-specs ipapashwe ngokusemthethweni?

UStephen Barrett: Ndicinga ukuba ishishini liya kuba. Ndicinga ukuba kuya kubakho uluhlu lweempendulo, kodwa ndicinga ukuba abantu abaninzi bafuna le nto.

Bafuna ukucaca. Abantu bebesenza iimvavanyo zomjikelo wobomi ngeendlela zabo iminyaka embalwa ngoku, kodwa zonke ziyahluka. [00:16:00] Yonke into ejikeleze ubalo iyahluka, nto leyo ethetha ukuba kunzima ngokwenene ukuthelekisa amanani abantu. Ke iziphumo zabantu ababini, phantse akunakwenzeka ukuxela ukuba yeyiphi eyona ingcono kwisakhiwo seziphumlisi.

Xa abantu baye bavavanya ngeendlela ezahlukeneyo ngokupheleleyo, ngoko abantu sele benomdla kuyo, kodwa akukho kuhambelana, ndicinga ukuba oku kuya kuzisa ukuhambelana kwaye ngethemba lokuba kuya kuzisa izixhobo ezifanelekileyo zokwenza oko ngokulula kangangoko kunokwenzeka. Iya kusinika uhlobo lweqonga elizinzileyo ukusebenza kulo ngoku singenalo, kwaye ndicinga ukuba ishishini likulungele oko.

Ndicinga ukuba abayili bezakhiwo bafuna ukwenza into elungileyo. Ndicinga ukuba abathengi bafuna ukwenza into elungileyo. Abayazi nje ukuba yintoni eyona nto ilungileyo, kuba asinaso isakhelo esinokusebenza kuso, oku kuya kusinika loo nto.

UJackie De Burca: Kulungile, kumnandi. Ngokucacileyo kubaluleke kakhulu ukufika kuloo ndawo. Ngoku, ngaba kukho naziphi na izixhobo okanye amaqonga ukuba [00:17:00] Uziva ukuba wenza umsebenzi olungileyo wokuphelisa loo ngxolo?

UStephen Barrett: Ngaba ufuna ndikhankanye? Ewe. Amashishini

UJackie De Burca: uvumelekile ukuba. Um,

UStephen Barrett: Kunzima kakhulu ukuphikisana ne-OneClick, LCA Ngoobani iinkokeli zemarike eYurophu ngeli xesha? Ingaba uthanda ntoni,

UJackie De Burca: uziva ntoni, uyazi, ilungile nge-OneClick LCA?

UStephen Barrett: Basoloko bevelisa izinto ezintsha. Baye, bahlala bekhupha izixhobo ezitsha ukwenza umsebenzi ube lula.

Bendisandokufowunelwa nabo izolo apho bebephehlelela izixhobo ezingakumbi zokukunceda ujonge isakhiwo sakho kwasekuqaleni. Ke luhlobo nje lokuba sikhulu kangakanani isakhiwo sam? Yintoni eza kwenziwa ngokukunceda ukuba uqikelele izinto eziya kuzifuna, kwaye ke ngoko ukukhutshwa okubandakanyekayo kumvelisi wezo mathiriyeli.

Kwaye oku, uyazi, ngokwenyani luhlobo lwe, kufana nemizuzu emihlanu emva kwe imvulophu isiketshi sesakhiwo, kodwa izixhobo abazinikezelayo ziyenza nje. [00:18:00] lula ngendlela emangalisayo. Kukho umnqantsa wokufunda, kodwa xa sele uyenzile, kunjalo, ndicinga ukuba ngabona baphambili kakhulu eYurophu kule nto.

UJackie De Burca: Okay, so yeah, we have an episode with Panu Pasanen who is the managing director of that company. So let’s just talk about Ireland now. You’re currently working with the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland, s se, ai, to implement these requirements. What are the top priorities, Stephen, in your role?

UStephen Barrett: Ezona zinto ziphambili ngenene kwakufuneka zifumanise ukuba siphi na.

The first priority is to learn from other countries, so the Nordics and France kind of further down the road on this. So trying to figure out what has worked in those countries and what the challenges were. That’s the first thing. The next thing is nail down that methodology that meets the requirements of the EPBD.

Ngoko ke yintoni kanye kanye ubalo ekufuneka ukuba [00:19:00] kwenziwa phambi kokuba isakhiwo sakhiwe ukuze, uh, kuzalisekiswe iimfuno zeEPBD ekufuneka zigqitywe xa oko kugqitywe? Kwakhona sifuna izixhobo ukwenza kube lula kangangoko ukwenza oko. Ke izinto ezinikezelwa yi-OneClick ngoku. Ukuba unelayisensi yokucofa enye eyenza ubomi bube lula, singenza njani izixhobo ezenza into efanayo, kumntu wonke?

Uyazi, kumashishini amancinci angenawo umthamo weshishini lokuthethelela ukuhlawula umcebisi okanye ilayisenisi yokwenza olu hlobo lwezinto, sinokuzisa njani izixhobo kwaba bantu ukwenza imisebenzi yabo ibe lula? Kwaye ke uqonde nje uhlobo lwemfuno yemfundo ekuya kufuneka ungene kuyo nayo.

Ngoko. Lithini inqanaba langoku lolwazi? Yintoni abantu ekufuneka bayazi ukuze bakwazi, oh, kufana noqeqesho oludala lwe-BER certifier, into ekufuneka siyenzile, kodwa. [00:20:00] Ngelixa i-BR isenzeka emva kokuba isakhiwo sakhiwe. Oku kwenzeka ngaphambi kokuba isakhiwo sakhiwe. Ke ukuqonda abaphulaphuli kunye neemfuno zabo zemfundo,

UJackie De Burca: hmm.

UStephen Barrett: Kwakhona inxalenye enkulu yalo.

UJackie De Burca: Kulungile. Ukuthetha ngeemfuno zemfundo, ngaba kukho izifundo oziva ngathi sinako kwaye sizifunda kumazwe aseNordic okanye naziphi na ezinye iinkokeli?

UStephen Barrett: Thina kwi-IGBC besiqhuba izifundo zemfundo malunga noku. Iminyaka emine, iminyaka emine enesiqingatha. Mmm-hmm. Enika imvelaphi entle ngokwenene kuyo.

Kukho imigangatho ethile eqhelekileyo kumntu wonke, kuzo zonke izizwe, kwaye xa sele iqondwa. Emva koko yonke enye into ihamba ngendlela emva koko. Andikwazi ngokwenene ukuphawula kwiiNordics okwangoku kuba ndiphakathi nje, okanye ndiqala nje uphando. Kulungile. Yaye zeziphi izifundo esinokuzifunda kubo.

Kuqiniseke.

UJackie De Burca: Kulungile. Ke sinokuligubungela elo nqanaba kwixesha elizayo xa sinohlaziyo kunyaka olandelayo okanye emibini ukuze sibone ukuba yonke into ihamba njani. UStephen, awuzange ube kudala eBrussels, ngokucacileyo, kunye nezinye [00:21:00] abameli abavela kumazwe ahlukeneyo angamalungu e-EU, kwaye ukhankanye ukuba ubusenza uqeqesho kule minyaka mine idlulileyo apho.

I-Ardent ijonge njani xa ithelekiswa namanye amazwe malunga nokulungela oku?

UStephen Barrett: I’d say we’re in the middle. Okay. The Netherlands, but then we we’re pretty good I think in the sense that we’ve anticipated. The EPBD quite well. The prototype methodology that we have been using for the last couple of years seems to be very close to what the EPBD requirement’s going to be, so we’ve got a good understanding.

Kufuneka nje siphuhlise izixhobo kunye ne-guardrails ukuba uyathanda, xa usitsho ukuba sithelekiswa njani namanye amazwe. Ke ewe, sisemva kwabo bendibakhankanye. Kulungile. 27, simalunga namathandathu.

UJackie De Burca: Uyazi, ngokucacileyo ndingumIrish, ke, ndiyathanda ukutsho, ndithi ndivumelekile ukuzithetha ezi zinto, uyazi, singaba [00:22:00] ilizwe elincinci ngokucacileyo, kunye nazo zonke ezi zinto.

Ke ndicinga ukuba kule ndawo, kulungile. Uyazi, ukhankanye indlela yeprototype. Ngaba unokwandisa kuloo nto kancinane?

UStephen Barrett: Ewe, ngoko, um, ngenxa yokuba indlela yokusebenza isekwe kulo mgangatho uqhelekileyo waseYurophu EN N 1 59 78, siye sakwazi ukuyila indlela yokusebenza ngaphandle kwesikhokelo se-EPBD kuba besisazi ukuba iya kubandakanya ntoni na.

Ke siye sayiphuhlisa loo nto kwaye sazama ukuqesha abayili bezakhiwo ukuba bafake ulwazi loyilo abanalo. Ukuzama ukuseka isiseko seIreland ukuzama kwaye ufumanise ukuba yintoni isiseko sethu sangoku sekhabhoni yeentlobo ezahlukeneyo zokwakha. Kwaye iprojekthi yahamba kakuhle kakhulu. Sifumene ingxelo entle kushishino nangenxa yokuba ibixhaswa ngemali njengenxalenye yeprojekthi ebizwa ngokuba yi-Indicate, [00:23:00] eyayixhaswa ngemali yi-ES Foundation, yayingekho eIreland kuphela, yayinjalo.

There was also funding available in Spain. Mm-hmm. Czech Republic. And because we did a good job of our methodology, because we had a good understanding of the standard EN 1 5 9 7 8, Spain and the Czech Republic took on our methodology, Spain are developing it into a BIM offering. Okay. And there’s a second wave of indicate happening now with.

Austria, Italy, Luxembourg, and a couple more countries, Hungary, Croatia, I think, and they are learning from what we did too. So it’s kind of proliferating through countries through this indicate project. The reason that I put was kind of just behind Nordics was because we had that good understanding and now we’re sharing it so that Europe as a whole gets a consistent approach.

UJackie De Burca: Ke ewe, kufuneka uzive wonwabe kakhulu ngaloo nto [00:24:00] inkalo yalo.

UStephen Barrett: Ewe, ndonwabe kakhulu. Impendulo ilungile. Ndihlala ndilindele ukuba umntu akhombe isiphene kuyo, kodwa ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, kulungile. Ngoko ndonwabe kakhulu.

UJackie De Burca: Kulungile. Egqwesileyo. Sivuyisana nawe. Ilunge kakhulu, kakhulu. Xa ezo ntsuku zifikayo, ubona njani ukuba iyaphela?

UStephen Barrett: Ndiyibona njengeemodeli zeBI. Ndibona njengabantu abasebenzisa intlawulo yesoftware kunye nesoftware yomthombo ovulekileyo usebenzisa iifayile ze-IFC, eyona klasi yesiseko seshishini. Iifayile zokwabelana ngeemodeli zokwakha kwisoftware eyahlukeneyo yeBIM. Ndiyayibona isekelwe kuloo nto. Unayo yonke ingcaciso eyongezelelweyo kunye nomzobo ogcinwe kwimodeli yakho ye-BIM.

Ungabelana ngayo kwiisoftware ezahlukeneyo. Inokusetyenziswa. Ngexesha loyilo lwakho kunokuvavanya emva koyilo lwakho, kwaye ke lunokusetyenziswa yi-SEAI okanye nabani na olawula inkqubo ukujonga imodeli yakho, jonga iziphumo, uthelekise nabanye, uqonde. [00:25:00] ngaphandle. Intsonkothile, intsonkothile.

Andiqinisekanga ukuba isakhiwo ngasinye siya kuvavanywa kuzo zonke iinkcukacha, ngoko uyazi, sinokugxila ngokuyenza kwi-BIM kwaye siyenze ngokungaguqukiyo. Sinokucinga ukuba ezo zidibana kumfanekiso othile zisengqiqweni. Zezo ziphezulu ngokumangalisayo okanye ziphantsi kakhulu ekufuneka sizijonge ngakumbi kwaye siqonde ukuba bayenza njani loo nto, kwaye ezo ziphantsi kakhulu.

Ukuba ziphantsi ngokumangalisayo ngenxa yoyilo oluqaqambileyo, ngoko ke sinokufunda kolu yilo kwaye sihambise yonke, uyazi, laa ru esembindini, singaqalisa ukuyihambisa ukuya kwinqanaba lokuqala. Ngoko konke malunga nokwabelana ngolwazi. Mmm-hmm. Kunye.

UJackie De Burca: Kulungile. Ke ewe, uninzi lokwabelana kunye nentsebenziswano.

Stephen, yintoni oza kube uyijongile kwezi nyanga zintandathu ukuya kwezili-12 ezizayo?

UStephen Barrett: Ukugqityezelwa kwendlela yokusebenza. Ndicinga ukuba [00:26:00] IKhomishini yaseYurophu iza kukhupha uhlobo lwendlela eqhelekileyo, ebonisa imfuneko epheleleyo. Mmm-hmm. Kodwa kusekho iinkcukacha ekufuneka ilizwe ngalinye elilungu lizigqibezele ngokwalo.

Ke ukuqonda ngqo ukuba ziyintoni na, kwaye ujonge, njengoko ndisitsho, imodeli ye-BIM, singayenza njani. Iimodeli zasimahla zemithombo evulekileyo kulula ukuzisebenzisa.

UJackie De Burca: Kulungile. Oko kukuthi, yonke loo nto yenza ingqiqo egqibeleleyo. Iingcali ezikwiindawo ezakhiweyo zingalungiselela ngcono njani olu tshintsho luzayo?

UStephen Barrett: Bangaya kwiwebhusayithi ye-IGPC kwaye benze i-Embodied Carbon 1 0 1 course.

UJackie De Burca: Kulungile, enye

UStephen Barrett: cofa i-LCA. Ngaba unobutyebi bolwazi kwicandelo labo lezixhobo, ngoko ke simahla kuye nabani na. Kuhlala kufanelekile ukujonga iwebhusayithi yabo. Kulwazi lwamva nje lokucinga lwaseYurophu, ndingathi baya kuba [00:27:00] ezona zibonelelo zimbini zingcono.

UJackie De Burca: Kulungile, ke i-Irish Green Building Council ithi I for Ireland, G for green, B for building, and C for council, okt.

Kwabo bantu bangayaziyo, abayazi okanye abaqhelananga newebhusayithi, ndicinga ukuba kufika ntoni engqondweni yam, uStephen, ngaba kukho umyalezo othile ongathanda ukubashiya abaphulaphuli, obaziyo, kwimigca engaphambili yokuzinza kunye noyilo lokwakha?

UStephen Barrett: Ewe, qala nje ukuvavanya. Ungazikhathazi ngesiphumo kuba luvavanyo olutshintsha indlela yokuziphatha.

Isiphumo sisiphumo nje, kodwa umbuzo wokwenyani wesakhiwo sakho yintoni eyakwenza ukuba wenze ukhetho loyilo olwahlukileyo. Ngoko ungakhathazeki ngesiphumo, yenza nje iimvavanyo.

UJackie De Burca: Imnandi. Ke loo nto ithatha uxinzelelo oluncinci ebantwini kwaye ngokucacileyo ijonge kwiwebhusayithi esele siyichazile, kwaye ucofe kube kanye. [00:28:00] I-LCA kunye nezibonelelo zabo.

Ndicinga ukuba ezo zizinto esingathanda ukuzishiya ngabaphulaphuli. Ngokwenene, uStefano, akunjalo?

UStephen Barrett: Ewe. Enye into, ukubuyela nje kwisiphumo, kuya kubakho imida, kodwa loo mida ayikaziswa iminyaka embalwa okwangoku. Ke xa ndisithi ungakhathazeki ngeziphumo, akukho sohlwayo okanye akusayi kubakho sohlwayo kude kube ngu-2030.

Kulungile?

UJackie De Burca: Kulungile. Ngoko ewe.

UStephen Barrett: Ungakhathazeki ngesiphumo, funda inkqubo. Kwaye emva kokuba ufunde inkqubo, uya kufuna ukutshintsha uyilo lwakho.

UJackie De Burca: Uza ku. Kakade ke, oko kuyingenelo kuye wonke umntu, akunjalo? Ukuthengiswa okanye ukurenta kuyo nayiphi na ipropathi osebenza kuyo kunye nokusingqongileyo kwaye ngokucacileyo kubo bonke abachwephesha ababandakanyekayo, abafana nawe, ngokucacileyo baye bathatha ibhongo elininzi kunye nexesha elininzi emsebenzini wabo ukufikelela kweli nqanaba, akunjalo?

UStephen Barrett: Ngokuqinisekileyo.

UJackie De Burca: Yiyo leyo. Naziphi na iingcinga zokugqibela okanye wonwabile koko sabelane ngako namhlanje? Zive ukhululekile.

UStephen Barrett: Ndicinga ukuba eyona nto iphambili kukuba. Kwangethuba kwinkqubo yoyilo oqala ukuyijonga le, kokukhona iziphumo ziya kuba ngcono [00:29:00] kuba. Kunzima kakhulu ukutshintsha uyilo xa luphuhliswe ngokupheleleyo kunokuba kwasekuqaleni.

Vavanya kwangoko ukuze uqale umendo ochanekileyo kwaye mhlawumbi uphande inkqubo yamanqanaba e-EU, equka ngaphezulu kwekhabhoni yobomi bonke.

UJackie De Burca: Ndicinga ukuba iyavakala kakhulu loo nto. Ewe, kwaye licebiso elifanayo kuzo zonke ezi nguqu zinkulu, uStephen, ezenzekayo, uyazi, okwangoku kumazwe ahlukeneyo.

The same comes to the law in the UK that we’ve covered in a course and a couple of different podcast episodes. You know, by diversity in net gain. It’s exactly the same advice planning should happen in the pre-planning, really.

UStephen Barrett: Kulapho izinto zitshixelwa khona.

UJackie De Burca: Yinto emangalisayo. Mamela, ndicinga ukuba ibinolwazi ngenene, uStephen.

Enkosi kakhulu ngexesha lakho.

UStephen Barrett: Wamkelekile.