Umfanekiso oZinzileyo we-Cobh: Isenzo seNdawo, iiMpembelelo zeHlabathi S4, E14

Nceda uqaphele ukuba oku kuveliswa ngokwamanani kwaye kusenokuba neempazamo ezithile.

UJackie De Burca: Apho ngcono kunelizwe lakho ukuba uqale ukuhlola into esondele kakhulu entliziyweni yomntu? Kwaye ndiyakholelwa kwiintliziyo ezininzi zabantu xa beqala ukucinga ngayo. Kwi-Constructive Voices, asiphononongi kuphela iindawo ezicacileyo zendawo eyakhiweyo.

Enyanisweni, sigrumba nzulu ngakumbi. Nokudibanisa abantu kunye neendawo zabo, kuba yiyo yonke le nto. Indlela okusingqongileyo kusichaphazela ngayo yonke imihla sicinga ngempilo yethu, ngendlela enokuthi iqhutywe ngayo imisebenzi yethu yemihla ngemihla. Kukho nje inkitha yezinto esisingqongileyo ezisa kuthi okanye.

Mhlawumbi yenza kube nzima ngakumbi kuthi. Ngoku ndikunye noStephen Barrett. Ungumphathi wenkqubo yeNkqubo yeKhabhoni yoBomi bonke e IBhunga loKwakha iGreen Green, kwaye uza kuthetha nathi ngeCobh, ebukekayo [00:01:00] Idolophu yaseIreland ngaphandle kweCork. UStephen utyale iingcambu zakhe apho okwangoku, kwaye ngoku uyabuza eminye imiba yendawo efana nophuhliso.

Uthutho lweBiodiversity kunye neqhayiya loluntu kunye nendlela le ndawo yeCobh kunye nesikhokho ngokubanzi inokubumba indlela ezinzileyo yokuya phambili. Siza kuncokola ngezifundo ezifana nemigca kaloliwe engasetyenziswanga ukuya kuchaphazeleka enqanaweni, kunye nelensi yasekuhlaleni ebonwa nguStephen kwimingeni yehlabathi. Masingene sintywizise ndiyavuya ulapha kum namhlanje.

Ndiyazi ukuba uxakekile, uxakekile, ngoko ke enkosi ngokuthatha ixesha. Ngaba ungathanda ukuzazisa kubaphulaphuli?

UStephen Barrett: Igama lam ndinguStephen Barrett. Ndingumphathi wenkqubo yeeprojekthi zekhabhoni zobomi bonke kwiBhunga loKwakha iGreen Green elijonga ikhabhoni kwindawo eyakhiweyo, kungekuphela nje kumandla, kodwa kwimathiriyeli kunye. ukwakhiwa kunye nokudilizwa ukuya.

UJackie De Burca: Kwaye kuthekani ngemvelaphi encinci, oh, ngokwejografi, uStephen, kuba bendinencoko emnandi yophando nawe [00:02:00] kwiveki okanye ezimbini ezidlulileyo kwaye uye, uyazi, unemvelaphi enomdla yejografi. kuba esi siqendu simalunga nendawo ekuchaphazelayo okwangoku.

UStephen Barrett: Ewe, ndiye ndafudukela eCobh kwiminyaka emine eyadlulayo.

UCobh, njengoko ubutshilo, yimizuzu engama-20 kuloliwe ngaphandle kwesiXeko saseCork. Njengabantu abaninzi. Ngexesha lobhubhane, ubomi bethu baphoswa phezulu emoyeni kwaye iziqwenga zahlala ngokwahlukileyo ngokupheleleyo. Ndiqale ubhubhane kwiflethi encinci eLondon, ndachitha ixesha elininzi kunxweme olusentshona yeIreland nabazali bam bezama ukubagcina endlini xa bekufanele ukuba behlala ekhaya.

Kwaye emva kokuba sivunyelwe ukuphuma sonke kwakhona, mna nomfazi wam safumanisa ukuba sasingafuni ukubuyela eLondon. Ngoko sabhekabheka. Kuba indawo entsha yokuhlala kwaye, kwaye sahlala. Kuba kubonakala nje ukuba kukho yonke into esiyifunayo.

UJackie De Burca: Imnandi. Kwaye kukho apho bendikhe ndaya khona [00:03:00] kumashumi eminyaka eyadlulayo. Kuyacaca ukuba bendizinze ngaphakathi Speyin ixesha elide ngoku, khange ndibekho ixesha elide.

Kodwa bubuhle beposikhadi. Ewe,

UStephen Barrett: Ewe. Olunye uhlobo lwezinto ezifanelekileyo malunga nalo yayikukuba ndikwazi ukubuyela kunxweme lwaseNtshona ukuze ndibone umama wam. Kwaye umfazi wam wayenokukhwela isikhephe aye eBristol ukuya kubona usapho lwakhe. Ngoko zonke ngononophelo kakhulu triangulated. Kwaye ikuloliwe, ikwindlela kaloliwe, ngqo esixekweni.

UJackie De Burca: Imnandi. Ke kukuphawula iibhokisi ezininzi ngokucacileyo, kuwe nakwinkosikazi yakho. Makhe sithethe ngendlela izinto ezikhoyo ngalo mzuzu malunga nohlobo lwezihloko esinomdla kakhulu kuzo, ukuthandwa kwezinto eziphilayo kunye nekhabhoni enxulumene, yonke into ebuyela ngokwenene kutshintsho lwemozulu.

Ukuzama ukusebenzela umnatha izinto eziphilayo, lonke olo hlobo lwezinto. Yintoni elungileyo ngaloo ndlela, uStefano,

UStephen Barrett: yintoni elungileyo ngayo? Mhlawumbi yintoni elungileyo ngayo evela kwisizwe. Imbono yindawo yogcino lwendalo ebhityileyo, ekumgama omalunga nemizuzu engama-20 ukusuka kumnyango wam wangaphambili, osandul’ ukubakho [00:04:00] uluhlu olumangalisayo lobomi beentaka kuyo.

Andinguye ingcali ngaloo nto, kodwa into endiyiqondayo kubantu abakuloo ngingqi, sisixhobo nje esimangalisayo sokuba nesango lethu, ndicinga ngokwembono yophuhliso. Isixeko saseCork kunye neendawo ezisingqongileyo kungenxa yokwakhiwa ngokutsha okukhulu kule minyaka ilishumi izayo. Kukho izikhululo zikaloliwe ezitsha ezingenayo, ezikhokelela kwisiXeko saseCork kwaye zisingise e-Eastwood.

Ngoko kukho utyalo-mali olukhulu apho. Kukho indlela entsha eya eRing, iSkiddy. Ndicinga ukuba kukho imibuzo emininzi engekaphendulwa malunga nendlela ukuqaliswa yazo iya kuchaphazela biodiversity kunye nezinto ezikhutshwayo, ngoko ke yinto ekumbhobho. Kukho isixa esikhulu samabhongo malunga neCork City ngoku.

Andiqinisekanga kangako ukuba iimpembelelo zokusingqongileyo ziyabalulwa, ngenxa yokuba thina. Umthetho okhoyo ofuna oko. Ngoko izakuba yiminyaka embalwa enomdla, ndiyacinga.

UJackie De Burca: [00:05:00] Ngokuqinisekileyo iya kuba yiminyaka embalwa enomdla. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba into ethi qatha engqondweni, uyazi, njengomntu wase-Ireland ngabaphulaphuli bethu abaninzi, okanye uyazi, ngabaphulaphuli behlabathi kwaye kubalulekile ukuxelela abo bantu ukuba uyayazi le nto kuba unjalo, uhlala apho iminyaka ngoku, i-cork ifana nohlobo lwenye ikomkhulu laseIreland, ngokungekho mthethweni, akunjalo?

UStephen Barrett: Ewe, ngokungekho semthethweni. Ewe.

UJackie De Burca: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba abantu be-cork bayakwenza, uyazi, kukho uhlobo olukhulu lokuzingca olungekho ngexesha? Ewe, kukho into emangalisayo

UStephen Barrett: ukuzingca ngayo. Ewe. Ewe. Sisixeko esixakekileyo ngokwenene. Ndikhe ndeva uhlobo lwabantu kwiihotele besamkela abantu kwaye bazisa nje ukhokho njengekomkhulu, ikomkhulu lokwenyani. Ndiva lonto kakhulu.

Ke ewe, kukho, kukho ibhongo elikhulu lendawo kwaye ndicinga ukuba uphuhliso olukwimibhobho luza kubonisa loo nto kwaye mna, ndiyathemba ukuba yenziwe kakuhle.

UJackie De Burca: Kulungile. Ke ndithetha ukuba, ewe kufuneka sithande ukubukela eso sithuba kwaye sikhona, kwinto endiyibonayo ngabantu endikhe ndathetha nabo nakwi-intanethi ngokunjalo, zininzi.

Kuyenzeka umsebenzi oqaqambileyo [00:06:00] sele eIreland malunga neentlobo-ntlobo zezinto eziphilayo, akunjalo? Ewe. Ke masiye kolwakho uhlobo lobuchwephesha kwaye uziva njani ngowakho umnqwazi wengcaphephe malunga nolo hlobo lwezinto e-Cobh kunye necandelo elongezelelweyo e-Cork?

UStephen Barrett: Ubungcali bam kukujonga imijikelo yobomi bezakhiwo, hayi indlela esizisebenza ngayo, kodwa.

Kwaye yintoni inzuzo kunye neengozi zento eyenziwe ngayo, zombini kumhlali, kodwa kunye neempembelelo zokusingqongileyo zezo zinto. Ke ngokwembono yobuchwephesha, ndifuna ngokwenene ukubona ukhetho oluhle. Ngokukhetha okulungileyo, ndithetha ukhetho olucingisisiweyo kwizinto ezifanelekileyo zezakhiwo ukusuka kwi-ecological kunye nembono yomsebenzisi, kwaye kungekhona nje indleko ukusuka kwimbono yokuqina.

Kwakhona, hayi iindleko kuphela. Ndicinga ukuba inye into esiyibonayo ngoku lo mbono ayilulo nje uvavanyo lobomi ngokwembono yendalo esingqongileyo, kodwa indleko yobomi kunokuba nje [00:07:00] iindleko ezinkulu. Mmm-hmm. Ngoko ndifuna ukubona ukhathalelo olungakumbi luthathiwe Inkqubo yocwangciso ukuze ufumane izibonelelo zexesha elide kuzo zonke ezi zinto zintsha zikhoyo ngoku zikwiibhodi zokuzoba.

UJackie De Burca: Ke ujonge iCobh ngokukodwa, uStephen, yintoni oyibonayo ukuba ilungile ngeCobh xa kufikwa kuzinzo?

UStephen Barrett: Ndiyifumana iyamangalisa indlela umgca kaloliwe ongasetyenziswa ngayo. Yiyo yonke isiqingatha seyure. Kwakubalulekile ngokwenene kum nomfazi wam ukukhetha ukuhlala apha. Akaqhubi, ngoko besinalo olo hlobo.

Ingcinga yokuqala, siya kufumana indawo entle kwilizwe, kwaye ke ngokucacileyo inyani iyakhaba kwaye ucinga ukuba, hayi, siyayidinga, andinakukwazi ukuqhuba yonke indawo. Ngoko sakhangela idolophu encinane yaseCobh, akunjalo? Abantu abajongi uqhagamshelo lukaloliwe kangangoko kufuneka. Kukho le ngcinga ezenzekelayo yokuba utsibela emotweni yakho kwaye ungene edolophini.

Kodwa yona, ihleli nje rhoqo ngesiqingatha seyure. [00:08:00] Yiyo, ifana neyona nto inamandla edolophini, kwaye ayisetyenziswanga kwaye ayixatyiswanga. Ndingathanda ngokwenene ukuthetha nebhunga malunga nendlela abanokuyikhuthaza ngayo, njengendlela. Kunokuba indlela yokuhamba phakathi kwedolophu kunye nesixeko. Lonto ke kum inoba nefuthe elibi, uyazi, idolophu ayigcwali ziimoto.

Andifumani nje i-Cobh, kodwa, kodwa yonke idolophu yase-Ireland ngoku igcwele iimoto kunye. Abantu bebekhalazela ukuxinana kweemoto ngelixa bezisa eyabo ethekweni. Ke ngoku mna,

UJackie De Burca: Ndiyazi ukuba yinto yenkcubeko encinci kwaye xa ndibuyela eDublin, ngokuqinisekileyo ndifumanisa ukuba kunzima ngoku ukuqhuba esixekweni.

Ayikuko ukuba ndifuna ukuqhuba, uyazi, kodwa kufuneka ndiqhubele ixesha lokuya esibhedlele kunye nezinto ezinje ukuba zazisenzeka xa ndandigqibele ukubuya phaya, kuyaphixa kwaye. Ndikwimeko efanayo apho ndihlala eSpain, eGandia ukuya eValencia rhoqo ngesiqingatha seyure. Kwaye abantu abaninzi [00:09:00] sebenzisa apha.

UStephen Barrett: Ewe. Andazi noba yiyo na, andiyazi ukuba yintoni na, ukuba iluhlobo nje, yimozulu? Ngaba yingcinga yokuba kuza kuba nemvula ukuze ndibaleke ndingene emotweni yam? Mhlawumbi ke loo nto iba ngumkhwa, uyazi, wokuhamba uye kwisikhululo sikaloliwe. Mna dunno. Kodwa ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo bubuntu benkcubeko yemoto.

Ingcamango yokuba wonke umntu kufuneka abe nayo. Imoto kunokuba nje iimoto zifumaneke kumntu wonke. Ibiya kwenza nje indawo ekwakhiwe kuyo edolophini, hayi le dolophu kuphela.

UJackie De Burca: Buyela kwezinye zezinto ebesithetha ngazo kubizo lwethu lophando. Uthethile nangeWoodlands yakowenu, andithi?

UStephen Barrett: Marlo Woods kufutshane. Ndiye ndathetha noQuiche malunga. Yintoni ababeyenza apho. Ke kukho, ihlathi elihle elidala elikufutshane endingena ndibaleka kulo ngamaxesha athile. Khange ndibekho iiveki ezimbalwa emva koko ndaya kwiiveki ezimbalwa ezidlulileyo kwaye disCobhred ukuba iindlela ezikuyo, zintle, zimxinwa ngokufanelekileyo, kodwa azimxinwa ngokulula.

[00:10:00] Iindlela ezidlulayo. Iindledlana bezisanda kwandiswa kwaye zahluzwa. Owu, kwaye ndineziva ngokwenene. Ndafowunelwa bandichazela ukuba abantu basekuhlaleni baye bakhalazela loo nto. Ibingavakali ncam kum. Inye into eyenziwa ngulo mfo efowunini ukuba atyibilike, wathi yayixabiso eliphantsi kunokusasaza, nto leyo eyandenza ndacinga ukuba bajonga nje iindleko.

Ukuqhuba i-JCB enkulu ukuya apho ngokuchasene neendleko zokuqesha umntu kangangeentsuku ezimbalwa ukuze ndinciphise izinto ngokucinga, endizifumeneyo malunga nokuba. Kwakhona, yayilolu hlobo lweendleko zexesha elifutshane lokucinga kunokuba ucinge ngento eneneni elungileyo neluncedo. Ke ndicinga ukuba uninzi lomsebenzi wam malunga novavanyo lwekhabhoni yobomi, ayisiyokhabhoni kuphela, ijonga umjikelo wezinto ngokubanzi, kwaye ixabiso libaluleke kakhulu [00:11:00] ikhabhoni ngeendlela ezininzi xa ukwi-coalface yezi zinto.

Ke olo hlobo nje lokuzama ukwenza abantu bacinge ngakumbi. Ngokupheleleyo malunga nento abayenzayo kwaye hayi nje iindleko zayo luhlobo lweyona nto iphambili yomsebenzi wam.

UJackie De Burca: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ngoku, kwakhona, kubaphulaphuli abangengabo iIrish okanye abazinze eIreland, iquiche ithetha amahlathi okanye amahlathi, kwaye ngumbutho.

Lishishini likarhulumente lamahlathi, kwaye. Ngokolwazi endinalo phambi kwam, ngokwenene balawula malunga ne-7% yomhlaba welizwe. Ke loo nto iyenza yoyike ngakumbi le nto uyichazileyo, uStephen. Ewe,

UStephen Barrett: ngetyala labo, xa ndibuza ukuba kuqhubeka ntoni, ndafowunelwa kusuku olulandelayo ukuze sixoxe.

Ngoko ke ndicinga ukuba bavuleleke kakhulu ekuphulaphuleni. Nokuthatha izinto ebhodini.

UJackie De Burca: Kumnandi ukuva,

UStephen Barrett: ngokucacileyo.

UJackie De Burca: Ngaba lukhona olunye uhlobo lwamagqabantshintshi e-Cobh, ngokuqinisekileyo okanye kakubi kulo mmandla?

UStephen Barrett: Sifumana iinqanawa ezininzi zokuhamba ngenqanawa

UJackie De Burca: akukho kuhle kakhulu. Ngokucacileyo

UStephen Barrett: sifumana iinqanawa ezininzi zokuhamba ngenqanawa, ezilungele uqoqosho lwendawo.

[00:12:00] Ilungele uhlobo lwenkcubeko yendawo. Kuthetha ukuba sinomculo omninzi kunye nohlobo oluninzi lwamatheko e-impromptu ahlala iiyure ezimbini embindini wedolophu kwaye ke wonke umntu. Inyamalale ibuyele kwinqanawa yabo yokuhamba ngenqanawa. Ngoko kusoloko kuyonwabisa kuloo nto. Uh, kodwa uyamangaliswa zezi zinto zinkulu zizayo ngalo lonke ixesha lasehlotyeni, zithini iindleko zazo zokusingqongileyo.

Ngokuqinisekileyo. Kulungile. Inamacala amabini kwaye ikwayinto ekhathazayo.

UJackie De Burca: Ewe, ngokupheleleyo. Ke ayisiyiyo loo nto, ayilunganga ngokucacileyo ngokwezinto ezahlukeneyo zebhayoloji apho. Kwaye ewe, ndicinga ukuba yinto enethemba lokuba baya kujonga kuyo ngenxa yexesha elinjalo lokutshintsha ngokubanzi kwaye bafumane isisombululo esilungelelanisayo, uyazi, i-craic agus ceoil isakwazi ukwenzeka kwi-co ukuzuza ngokucacileyo imali echithwe apho, kodwa kwangaxeshanye ukukhathalela ngandlela thile okanye enye, i-biodiversity ayizukuba phantsi koxinzelelo olunjalo oluvela kwezo nqanawa.

Uyazi,

UStephen Barrett: sibe namahlengesi ehlotyeni elidlulileyo, bekumnandi ngenene ukukubona. Kuhle kangakanani. Kodwa ke kweli hlobo, abekho. [00:13:00] Kukho ingxoxo enkulu malunga nokuloba ngokugqithisileyo ngoku. Kubonakala ngathi amahlengesi asenokuba ayengene kuba kwakufuneka engene efuna ukutya, akunjalo? Kwaye ke olo hlobo lunexhala lokuba abanakuyifumana into abayifunayo kulwandlekazi oluvulekileyo.

Ke, uyazi, bahamba bejikeleza yonke indawo. Ke, ewe, iyakhathaza kakhulu loo nto. Kukho indlela yokubukela inkonzo evele yavala iingcango zayo kuba bengayiboni into ababekade beyibona. Ke kufuneka kujongwe kwakhona le nto siyenzayo apha. Ndicinga ngaphambi kokuba yonke into ihambe kakhulu, ukuba ayikabikho.

UJackie De Burca: Ewe. Intle ukubona amahlengesi engemhle kangako, esona sizathu sinokuba kutheni ebonwa. Ngokucacileyo. Ukuba unomgca othe ngqo, uStephen, kubaqulunqi bomgaqo-nkqubo basekhaya, beziya kuba yintoni izicelo zakho ezintathu eziphezulu zolondolozo ngakumbi. Kwaye uqhagamshele iCobh.

UStephen Barrett: Ndicinga ukuba inye into endibethayo ukusuka e-UK ukuya eIreland ziidolophu ezicocekileyo kunye nendlela engabalulekanga ngayo.

Icocekile. Abantu kwiidolophu ezicocekileyo kwilizwe liphela bazi indawo yabo ngcono kunaye nabani na [00:14:00] kungenjalo ngenxa yokuba besazi yaye bendikhathalele. Ke ufumene uhlobo lothungelwano lwabantu basekuhlaleni abaziingcali ngenene kwaye bazibandakanye kwingingqi yabo. Kwaye umbono okwangoku kukuba zisetyenziswa nje, uyazi, zicoca nje izinto.

Kodwa phakathi kwala maqela, unazo zonke iintlobo zolwazi olunokuthi lukhutshwe kwaye lusetyenziswe ngokunjalo, lungasetyenziswanga. Kwaye ndingathanda ukubona kungekuphela nje isikhokho, kodwa lonke ibhunga. Ukuthetha nabo ngakumbi. Bangasetyenziswa njengoonozakuzaku bendawo yabo njengokuba bona, uyazi, bacoca izinto ngokuzithandela. Kwaye ke ndicinga ukuba iidolophu ezicocekileyo zifana nje nesixhobo esimangalisayo esingekho kwamanye amazwe ekufuneka sisetyenziswe, ngakumbi njengoko uhlobo lwabantu abakhona luzixakekise kakhulu kwindawo abahlala kuyo kwaye bafuna ukwenza into elungileyo.

Kukho okuninzi. Iintlobo-ntlobo zezinto eziphilayo kunye nenkxalabo yemozulu phakathi kwawo amaqela. Ngoko ukubafundisa ukubanceda bafundise abanye, I [00:15:00] Ndicinga ukuba ibhunga ngalinye kwilizwe liphela linokufumana inzuzo enkulu kwaye liyisebenzise njengekhonkco lengxelo. Umh, iya kuba yinto yam yokuqala leyo.

UJackie De Burca: Lo ngumbono oqaqambileyo.

Thetha kwiidolophu ezicocekileyo. Ewe. Uh, okwesibini

UStephen Barrett: into iya kuba njalo. I-Cobh ngokukodwa iya kuba kukuhlaziya iholo yedolophu. Iholo yedolophu ngoku iyawa kwaye iqeshiselwe kwindawo yokutyela yamaTshayina endingazange ndibone mntu ungenayo okanye ephumayo. Zange ndiyibone iholo yedolophu isiwa kwaye ishiyeke ikwimeko embi ngolo hlobo.

Kwaye kunempembelelo yokwenyani kwisiqingatha sedolophu. Ke sinesiqingatha sedolophu esixakeke ngokwenene. Kuba iinqanawa zokuhamba ngenqanawa zingena kwaye kukho ishishini elihle elenziwa apho, kwaye emva koko uhamba i-150 yeemitha ukuya empuma yedolophu, ubone iholo yedolophu iwa, kwaye ngenxa yoko, amashishini ajikelezayo atsala nzima kuba akukho mntu uya khona.

Ubona ukunyaniseka. Ngoko ujika ngokuzenzekelayo kwaye uhambe umva uye ekupheleni kwedolophu. Ke ukuhlaziya loo holo yedolophu kuya kuba nefuthe elikhulu kwisiqingatha se [00:16:00] idolophu kunye nawo onke amashishini ayingqongileyo. Ngoko iya kuba yenye into yam ebalulekileyo. Ndiyacinga kwakhona, kukucinga okudibeneyo. Wenza esi sakhiwo sinye, kodwa zonke izakhiwo ezisingqongileyo ziya kuzuza kwaye onke amashishini ajikelezileyo aya kuzuza.

Ngokuqinisekileyo. Kwaye eyesithathu iya kuba nje ukukhuthaza inkonzo kaloliwe ngakumbi. Yiyo yonke isiqingatha seyure. Iza kuba qho ngemizuzu eli-10 kwiminyaka embalwa yexesha. Ke uyazi, ngenene akuyi kubakho nasiphi na isizathu sokungayisebenzisi. Kukho ukunyuswa okuncinci kwayo, ukwenza nje uhlobo lokugxininisa ebantwini ukuba ikhona.

Ngokwenyani kulula xa ufika kwisiXeko saseCork kunokuba ujonge Yokupaka. Kukuhamba nje ukuya edolophini. Kwaye yalathe ezi zinto ebantwini kuba ndicinga ukuba amaxesha amaninzi ingabantu nje abenza into abasoloko beyenza, imikhwa. Ngoko ukwahlukana nalo mkhwa,

UJackie De Burca: Ndicinga ukuba oko kubaluleke kakhulu kwaye kuye kwaphunyezwa kwezinye iindawo, ngoko akukho sizathu sokuba singakwazi ukuyifeza eIreland.

UStephen Barrett: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ewe. Ngoko ukhazimle. Amaxesha amaninzi iba kukwazi nje. Kumsebenzi wam wobugcisa, ndizama ukufumana abantu ukuba benze [00:17:00] Uvavanyo lomjikelezo wobomi bezakhiwo ngokwembono yekhabhoni. Banexhala ngenene ngesiphumo, kodwa eneneni ayisosiphumo esibalulekileyo, yinkqubo kuba inkqubo ikwenza ukuba ucinge ngoko luhlobo lolwazi oluhlala lungahoywa 'kuba abantu baxakekile.

UJackie De Burca: Imnandi. Ndicinga ukuba uchaze kakuhle kakhulu malunga nendawo. Ndineembono ezintle endinethemba lokuba ziya kuwela kwiindlebe ezilungileyo okanye zinokuboniswa kwiindlebe ezilungileyo. Ngaba kukho enye into ongathanda ukuyikhankanya malunga nendawo? Yona

UStephen Barrett: iseyindawo entle. Ewe, ngokupheleleyo. Sekunjalo, uyazi, ndisayithanda.

Yindawo emangalisayo kwaye. Kodwa kukho ulwazi oluninzi kakhulu abantu abahlaselwa ngalo. Kunzima ukunqumla.

UJackie De Burca: Imnandi. Ke mamela uStefano, bekunomdla ngokwenene, kwaye siza kuncokola kwakhona, ngokucacileyo kweyakho, into esingathanda ukuyibiza ngokuba luhlobo oluphambili lwesiqendu sobuchwephesha.

Ke ngokucacileyo sifuna ukuba abantu bagcine iindlebe zabo zivulwe naloo nto. Enkosi kakhulu, Stephen. Enkosi.