I-S4, E2: Ihlola I-Urban Design yaseVancouver nge-Alexandra Steed

Okulotshiweyo - sicela uqaphele ukuthi lokhu kudalwe ngokwedijithali futhi kungase kuqukathe amaphutha

This is Jackie de Burca here for Constructive Voices. I’m so excited to bring you the very first of our new initiative, which is local correspondence. These people are really renowned experts in their fields that are more than able to talk about the work that’s happening in their various cities and areas. And I couldn’t be happier to say that we have a guest on who is an author and has been with us before. She’s really wonderful in every way. It’s Alexandra Steed. Welcome to Alexandra.

[00:00:46] Alexandra Steed: Hi, Jackie. Well, my name’s Alexandra Steed. I’m a landscape architect and an urban designer, and I have a practice, a landscape architecture and urban design practice in both London, England and in Vancouver, Canada, that I’ve just opened. So I’ve been working and living in London for 20 years, and I’ve just arrived back in Vancouver and really excited to be here and living and working here as well now.

[00:01:13] UJackie De Burca: Kumnandi. Ngakho-ke sizongena nje olwazini lwakho ngeVancouver futhi sizokhuluma ngalokhu. Lena kuzoba yingxoxo yethu yokuqala ngalokhu. Uzophinde uvakashele leso sikhathi njengoba uthola futhi uthola izinto eziningi ezenzekayo eduze kwaseVancouver. Ngakho-ke lesi isisetshenziswa esikhulayo, uma uthanda.

[00:01:32] U-Alexandra Steed: akunjalo? Hhayi-ke, ngingasho ukuthi iVancouver. Ihlala ingelinye lamadolobha aphileka kakhulu emhlabeni, ngakho-ke kuyamangalisa ngaleyo ndlela. Inobuhle bemvelo obumangalisayo nxazonke zedolobha, ngaphakathi kwedolobha. Uyazi, ibekwe ngaphakathi kwesilungiselelo esimangalisayo. Futhi empeleni, okhokho baseVancouver basungula uhlelo oluhle lwepaki kusukela ekuqaleni olwaluvikela izindawo eziningi eziluhlaza ngaphakathi kwedolobha. Ngakho-ke kukhona ipaki elihle elibizwa ngokuthi iStanley park elabekwa ngesikhathi esifanayo nokusungulwa kwedolobha. Ngakho-ke, niyazi, kwakuhlale kusemqondweni, nakuba emuva ngalezo zinsuku zakuqala kwakukhona imvelo yonke indawo, babazi ukuthi njengoba idolobha likhula futhi ngokuhamba kwesikhathi ngokucinana, ukuthi bazolahlekelwa yilolo hlobo lwesikhala. Ngakho-ke bekuhlale kukhona uhlobo oluthile lwendlela eluhlaza edolobheni. Ngicabanga ukuthi njengoba ngisanda kubuyela kuleli dolobha ngemva kokuhlala eLondon iminyaka engu-20, enye yezinto engiziqaphelile ukuthi ngicabanga ukuthi mhlawumbe kusekukhulu ukuthembela ebuhleni bemvelo futhi mhlawumbe hhayi ekuqhubekiseleni phambili ngempela indlela amanye amadolobha asenkingeni enkulu okufanele enze ngayo. Ngakho-ke, uyazi, ezinye izindawo emhlabeni ezibhekene nezindaba eziningi mayelana nokushintsha kwesimo sezulu kanye nokukhuphuka kwezinga lolwandle, kuyilapho kungakezwakali kangako eVancouver okwamanje. Ngicabanga ukuthi lezi yizinkinga iVancouver nayo ebhekene nazo, futhi izovela maduze. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi kube khona ukuphusha kwangempela muva nje ngokuminyana phakathi nedolobha elizungezile. Futhi-ke, kuhlale kudinga ukucatshangelwa kwezidingo zezindlu, futhi, uyazi, lokho kubaluleke kakhulu, kodwa ngasikhathi sinye, angiboni kubekwa ingqalasizinda yendawo eqinile ukuze kuhlangatshezwane nalokho futhi, ngokwesibonelo, kufakwe amanzi emvula engeziwe angeke esaba nandawo yokuya lapho idolobha seliminyene kakhulu. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele kucatshangwe okwengeziwe mayelana nesimo esizayo saseVancouver futhi siqinisekise ukuthi bazilungiselela ngokufanele.

[00:03:53] Jackie De Burca: So let’s talk about Lexi, what you love about Vancouver, separately to the nature that was there, you know, in a formative time. What kind of buildings are there that you feel like. Like, are really in tune with how you feel things should be? As an urban design specialist, if you like, what are you really proud of in that sense?

[00:04:15] Alexandra Steed: Yeah, in terms of urban design, I’d say one of the things that Vancouver has always done very well is to think of densification in a variety of ways. So it wasn’t done in a uniform manner where you just have a load of high rises all stuck beside each other. There was always consideration of the walkability of the city and the experience of the pedestrian walking down a street. So, you know, considering what the setbacks are of the buildings, considering perhaps stepping back the building so the experience at the street level isn’t overwhelming and intimidating by having a tall tower right beside you. So they’ve often been very good and thoughtful about considering that pedestrian experience and using a lot of street trees to soften the effects of the buildings and the kind of grit of the city. So there’s an awful lot of street trees here that has brought in a huge amount of beauty to the place and just a lot of green in general. So green walls, green roofs. Vancouver always had a huge amount of green roofs. Even it wasn’t always really obvious that it was even a roof. So that’s been incorporated for years, and people like a wonderful landscape architect named Cornelia Oberlander, who did many wonderful things throughout Canada and also had a really important international presence, too. She was really important in establishing that kind of way of approaching city design, along with an architect named Arthur Erickson, who she worked with closely. So they were quite fundamental in terms of how Vancouver began evolving in that kind of more green direction. And there’s been many other people involved, of course, but there are two Names that sort of stick out in my mind as being really signature in Vancouver and about the whole approach to keeping the experience of the place more human and less really overly engineered.

[00:06:34] UJackie De Burca: Ngakho-ke kuzwakala kumnandi ngempela, nokho, ukuthi, uyazi, okwasemuva kukho konke. Hhayi-ke, kuthiwani ngokuqhubekela phambili, okushilo mayelana nokuthandwa, njengezikhukhula nokunye, iVancouver ibekwe kanjani kuleso simo?

[00:06:48] U-Alexandra Steed: Hhayi-ke, njengamanje banohlelo olufana namadolobha amaningi emhlabeni jikelele lapho kuwuhlelo oluhlangene lwendle. Ngakho-ke emicimbini yezikhukhula, unesistimu yendle bese ihlanganiswa namanzi emvula bese ikhiphela echwebeni. Ngakho-ke leyo yinto ezothatha iminyaka eminingi ukuyijika. Kunenqubo ekhona futhi, uyazi, ngisho nalapho ngisebenza nedolobha eminyakeni engaphezu kwengu-20 edlule manje, yayikhona. Kwakukhona uhlobo lombono okwakudingeka kubhekwe kuwo futhi, kanye neminye eminingi onjiniyela Ngangisebenza naye ngaleso sikhathi babekhuluma ngalokho. Ngakho bona, babazi ukuthi lokho kwakufanele kukhulunywe. Kodwa-ke lokho kuthatha imali eningi kanye nomsebenzi omkhulu ukwenza lokho kwenzeke.

Ngakho lokho, lokho kuyindaba. Kodwa kukhona futhi, njengoba ngishilo ekuqaleni, inkinga mayelana nokwandisa ukuminyana. Ngakho-ke kunomfutho omkhulu wokukhulisa ukuminyana, ikakhulukazi eziteshini, ukuze uthole abagibeli abengeziwe emigqeni yezokuthutha, okuwumbono omuhle kakhulu.

Kodwa kanye nalokho kuminyene, angiboni kunendlela eqinile yokuthi amanzi esiphepho azobhekwana nawo kanjani. Ngakho-ke ezindaweni lapho amanzi esiphepho ayekwazi ukuwela ezihlahleni noma ezihlaza noma ngisho notshani, bese ekwazi ukubhoboza umhlabathi ngokwemvelo futhi angene ohlelweni lwesiphepho ngaleyo ndlela, manje, vele, lezo zindawo zizombozwa futhi zizombozwa. zingasamuncwa utshani. Ngakho-ke sizoba nezakhiwo zophahla, sizoba nendawo egandayiwe eyengeziwe, futhi kukhona uhlobo lwendawo yokuhlala ukuvumela indawo encane yamanzi emvula engeziwe, kodwa hhayi lokho engicabanga ukuthi kuyadingeka ukuze kuhlangatshezwane nezidingo ezikhulayo futhi ngokuqinisekile hhayi ikusasa. izimfuno. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kuningi, uyazi, uhlobo lwethuba elalahleka lapho. Kodwa ngingasho ukuthi ngeke kusetshenzwe. Ngicabanga ukuthi lisekhona ithuba lokwenza lokho, kodwa sidinga ukukwenza ngokushesha ngaphambi kokuba lokhu kuhlanganisana kwenzeke.

[00:08:58] UJackie De Burca: Pho kuzothatha isikhathi esingakanani ukuthi lokho kuhlanganisana kuqedwe ngempela?

[00:09:03] U-Alexandra Steed: Yebo, kuyenzeka njengoba sikhuluma.

Umthetho, ngicabanga ukuthi, usanda kungena ngonyaka odlule, ngakho-ke umthetho omusha, kodwa kukhona ukushayela okuningi nesidingo esikhulu sokwakhiwa. Ngakho-ke, uyazi, amaphrojekthi ayaqhubeka kakade. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi Sidinga nje ukwenza isiqiniseko sokuthi leyo ngqalasizinda eluhlaza kanye nengqalasizinda eluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka bese kwelukwa ngokucophelela kuleyo ngxube entsha.

[00:09:33] UJackie De Burca: Njengamanje ubusebenza Ngokusobala e-UK, njengoba usho, iminyaka engama-20, futhi ubuzinze endaweni ezungezile yaseLondon, e-Essex njalonjalo. .

Lokhu kuqhathaniswa kanjani neLondon? Njengalapho uqhathanisa iVancouver neLondon, niyazi, eceleni.

Ngiyazi ukuthi unzima, cishe ufana nombuzo oyinkimbinkimbi, kodwa okubonayo uhlobo lobuhle nobubi kuwo womabili amadolobha. Ngibuza umbuzo onzima, kodwa ngifuna impendulo elula.

[00:10:06] Alexandra Steed: Well, I think, you know, London is. Is dealing with much more challenging situations because of the numerous layers of history in London. I mean, if you look at a cross section, if you were to cut through a street, for example, there’s just layers and layers of infrastructure that are located below the surface level. Above the surface level. But, you know, so much of it is hidden. Whereas in Vancouver, because it’s a recently new city, it was only incorporated in 1886, I believe. So, you know, it’s quite a new city. And before that it was really just forest and first nations people living here. So it’s changed a huge amount over the last century. But also because of that, there is a lot of opportunity to incorporate really good practices right from the get go. And a lot of things were done well, I would say, you know, allowing green space and green trees and that sort of thing within city streets. Now that’s going to be more difficult to do. And I just, I think it’s a little bit disappointing that maybe Vancouver isn’t being really assertive about its commitment to keeping that legacy of greenness, you know, of keeping that legacy of living within nature, of living within the forest, and really sort of capitalizing on that and showing the rest of the world how it can be done. So I think at this moment, maybe an opportunity has been lost.

Njengoba ngishilo ekuqaleni, ngicabanga ukuthi leyo yinto engabuyiselwa ngokushesha. Angicabangi ukuthi sekwephuze kakhulu, kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi amandla engeziwe adinga ukufakwa kulokho. Nakuba indawo efana neLondon, ibhekene nemiphumela yezikhukhula kakhulu, uhlobo lobudlova, ngingasho. Nakuba nalapha, uyazi, ziningi izehlakalo ezimbi ezenzeke onyakeni odlule ngenkathi ngihlala lapha mayelana nezikhukhula. Inqwaba yabantu ishayeke kakhulu ngalokho. Kepha eLondon, kuyinkinga enkulu kakhulu, futhi kunzima kakhulu ukuguqula izinto uma usuvele wehlile kulowo Mzila wokuminyana kanye nezindawo ezingenakunyakaziswa, ukuntuleka kophahla oluluhlaza, ukuntuleka kwezikhala eziluhlaza emgwaqeni, ukuntuleka kokungena. ukugandaya kanye nalolo hlobo lwento. Ngakho-ke kunzima kakhulu ukuhlehlisa lawo maphutha kunokuwenza kwasekuqaleni. Ngakho-ke, uyazi, nginethemba lokuthi iVancouver ingaqhubeka ikwenze kahle kunokwenza, niyazi, amaphutha okumele iwahlehlise eminyakeni embalwa edlule.

[00:12:55] UJackie De Burca: Yebo, leyo yimpendulo ethokozisayo. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi ngibuyela esimweni njengamanje, uyazi, ukhombe ngokusobala futhi wahlaba umkhosi ngeVancouver, yini engenziwa noma okuzofanele kufane nokuphinda kwenziwe mayelana nalokhu kucinana uma abantu abalungile benquma ukukulalela. noma kungenzeka ukuthi akuwena kuphela umuntu owenza lokhu kuphawula. Vele akunjalo.

[00:13:21] U-Alexandra Steed: Cha, akunjalo. Cha. Kunabantu abaningi abakhathazekile ngengqalasizinda eluhlaza neluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka kulo lonke idolobha njengoba sekungene lo mthetho omusha. Ngakho-ke, ngokwesibonelo, ngicabanga ukuthi kubaluleke kakhulu ukuthi kube nesu lomphakathi kanye nepaki elibanzi. kulo lonke idolobha. Ngakho-ke ngenkathi ukuminyana kwenzeka, lezo zikhala eziluhlaza nazo zivikelekile ngaphakathi kwalolo hlelo olukhulu. Ngoba esikubonayo ezindaweni eziningi lapha ukuthi ngokushesha indawo yokuhlala yezakhamuzi nge-capita ngayinye yendawo eluhlaza iyancipha ngokushesha okukhulu. Ngakho-ke, alukho lolu hlobo lwendlela yokuvikela esikhundleni salezo zikhala. Akuzange futhi kube nencazelo ecacile ngempela yezinhlobo zezindawo zomgwaqo okufanele ziklanywe futhi zivumele ukungena okungeziwe ngaphakathi kwalezo zikhala. Ngakho-ke ngokwesibonelo, ukuqinisekisa ukuthi kukhona ama-swales noma izingadi zemvula noma ama-pavement avulekayo, uyazi, lolo hlobo lwento aluzange lubekwe umthetho ngendlela efanayo nokuminyana, futhi aluzange lufake iphesenti elithile lophahla oluluhlaza. Ngakho-ke, uyazi, nginozakwethu lapha, ongusihlalo wenhlangano ebizwa ngokuthi uGrin. Futhi ngakho konke mayelana nengqalasizinda ophahleni green.

Futhi ngakho-ke bayakukhuthaza lokho ngempela, kodwa futhi badumele ngohlobo lwempendulo abayithola ngaleyo ndlela. Ngakho-ke, niyazi, ngicabanga ukuthi ngokuhambisana nokuminyana, kungenziwa kahle kakhulu. Uyazi, angimelene nokuminyana, kodwa kungenziwa ngendlela engcono ebheke esikhathini esizayo, ukuqonda izinkinga ngamanzi esiphepho esizoba nazo ngokukhuphuka kwezikhukhula, nezimo zezulu ezikhulayo, ezeqisayo, ezeqisayo, niyazi, izinga elibi kakhulu lalezi zehlakalo zesimo sezulu, futhi, esidinga ukuthi bese sihlanganisa futhi sihlanganise izixazululo ezisekelwe emvelweni entuthukweni yethu, futhi singakunaki lokho ngalesi sikhathi, nje.

It. Kuwubuwula nje, uyazi, ukungacabangi ngaleyo migqa.

[00:15:39] Jackie De Burca: Yeah, I think it’s. It’s obviously extremely foolish and particularly sad when it comes to the origin of the city originally and the times that we’re now living in. Of course, you know, and you’ve come from being in the UK full time, and I know you’re still practicing over the UK as well, so I know it’s not what’s needed for the densification that you’ve just talked about, but is there anything comparable to biodiversity net gain around Vancouver at the moment, or not?

[00:16:06] U-Alexandra Steed: Yebo, ngiyajabula ukuthi ungibuze lokho. Bekade ngi. Bengizokusho lokho ngokulandelayo, empeleni, ngoba, futhi, ngicabanga ukuthi iVancouver cishe iphumule kancane kunalokho obekufanele kube njalo, mhlawumbe kuleli phuzu ngokuhamba kwesikhathi. Futhi ayikho into efana nenzuzo yenetha yezinto eziphilayo njengamanje. Kuningi okuthakaselwayo kuyo. Ngiyazi ukuthi inqwaba yabantu ingibuze ngalokho futhi bangibuze ngezifundo engizifundile ngenzuzo yenetha yezinto eziphilayo nokuthi lokho kungasetshenziswa kanjani lapha.

Kukhona inani elikhulu lentshisekelo evela kubantu abaningi, kodwa futhi, akufinyelelwanga emthethweni, akukho ndawo eseduze nalokho. Ngakho-ke kunemvelo eningi ezungeze iVancouver futhi ngisho nohlobo olulukiwe ngayo, engicabanga ukuthi iningi labantu alizange likhathazeke kakhulu ngakho. Bayakujabulela. Kodwa futhi mhlawumbe cabanga ukuthi akuyona into eningi kakhulu lapha uma kuqhathaniswa nezindawo eziningi emhlabeni. Futhi lokho kuyiqiniso. Uyazi, ingcono kuneningi lamadolobha omhlaba, kodwa isadinga ukunakwa futhi idinga ukulondolozwa nokuvikelwa futhi idinga ukushaywa umthetho ukuze singalahlekelwa yiyo kanye nezindawo eziwukuhlupheka. ngaleya ndlela, ngokwezinto ezithwala impova kanye nezinhlobonhlobo zezinto eziphilayo futhi, uyazi, ngisho nezilwane ezingenamgogodla, akukho nhlobo ukunaka kulokho, kuyilapho lokho kubhekwa kakhulu e-uk. Ngakho-ke ukukugcina kusemqondweni futhi uqiniseke ukuthi noma kungahle kungabi udaba oluphuthumayo lapha, yize wazi ukuthi, ngemuva kokusho lokho, kuyaphuthuma, kuyaphuthuma. Ngakho-ke idinga ukuhlanganiswa futhi ihlanganiswe kuzo zonke izinhlelo ezikhona lapha. Ngakho-ke noma yini emayelana nokuqina kwesimo sezulu, ukukhuphuka kwezinga lolwandle, nenkinga enkulu iVancouver ezobhekana nayo, ngikholwa ukuthi idinga ukunakwa okwengeziwe. Kube khona ukunakwa kulokho lapha, kodwa ngikholwa ukuthi kudinga okwengeziwe. Ngakho-ke ukuqina kwesimo sezulu, uyazi, izikhukhula, izinhlobonhlobo zezinto eziphilayo, zonke lezi zinto zidinga ukubhekwana nazo futhi zihlanganiswe ezinhlelweni zekusasa.

[00:18:20] Jackie De Burca: So from what you’re saying, because of course, this is our first discussion about Vancouver. Specifically, is it a question that we’re a little complacent because we’ve got like quite a nature positive city on the face of it at least, and therefore we don’t need to be like panicking about legislation and this, that and the other. But on the other hand, we could easily slide backwards.

[00:18:42] U-Alexandra Steed: Cha, yebo, impela. Ngikholwa ukuthi kunjalo, ukuthi kukhona ukunganeliseki. Kukhona uhlobo lwesimo sengqondo, okuthi, uma ubheka eduze kwakho, kukhona imvelo yonke indawo, ngakho-ke asikho isidingo sokuthi senze enye into. Ngikusho lokho ngokombono wosopolitiki nokuthi kunenqwaba yabantu lapha abayikhathalele kakhulu imvelo futhi abafuna ukuyigcina. Kodwa niyazi, uma, uma sibheka osopolitiki, abanazo izinto ezifanayo emqondweni. Ngakho-ke bamayelana nokukhula komnotho kanye nokwakha nje ngaphandle kokubeka zonke izindlela zokuvikela okufanele zibe khona endalweni.

Yebo.

[00:19:22] UJackie De Burca: Futhi ipolitiki lapho iyinkimbinkimbi kancane njengamanje, njengasezindaweni eziningi.

[00:19:25] U-Alexandra Steed: Yebo, kuyiqiniso.

[00:19:27] UJackie De Burca: Akusizi, akunjalo?

[00:19:28] U-Alexandra Steed: Cha, cha, kunzima kakhulu. Yebo.

[00:19:32] UJackie De Burca: Kulungile. Ngeke sehle kulowo mgodi onogwaja, kusobala, sizame ukuwugwema lowo. Hhayi okuyinhloko, akukona okugxilwe kakhulu engxoxweni yethu. Ngakho. Kulungile, ukhombe ngempela njengezingibe ezingaba khona zeVancouver njengamanje, uma uthanda, ngokumelene nesizinda somlando wayo omangalisayo nokuthi unjani njengamanje, kodwa ukuthi lokho kungalahleka kanjani, uyazi, kalula nje, ake sithi, futhi ungazilungiselele ngokwanele izinselelo ezibhekene nomhlaba wonke njengamanje, uyazi, ngenxa yokuguquguquka kwesimo sezulu, ngokusobala.

Yini ozigqaja ngayo mayelana, ingabe akhona amabhilidi ayisipesheli, amaphrojekthi engqalasizinda ayisipesheli? Ingabe, ingabe kukhona okuvelele ongathanda ukukhuluma ngakho? Ngakho-ke abantu abangekho eVancouver bangaluqonda nalolo hlangothi?

[00:20:25] U-Alexandra Steed: Yebo, njengamanye amadolobha engiwaziyo, iVancouver ibitshala amandla athile kanye nemali ethile ukuze ibheke ukuthi ugu lonke lungalungiselelwa kanjani ukukhuphuka kwezinga lolwandle kanye nokushintsha kwesimo sezulu. . Futhi kube nomsebenzi omuhle ngempela owenziwe eminye yemiklamo yedolobha kanye nezinqubo zokwakheka kwezwe lapha ezibonisa ukuthi kungaba indawo emangalisayo kangakanani, uhlobo uma siqala ukusebenzisa izixazululo ezisekelwe emvelweni futhi sethula izindawo ezinempilo kakhudlwana zogu ukuze sihlanganise lokho ekuvikeleni. idolobha. Ngakho-ke akugcini nje ngokuba yinhle, uyazi, ungaba nalawa mapaki amahle onqenqemeni lwamanzi, kodwa izosebenza njengesivimbeli sokuzamazama komhlaba kanye nokuguguleka nokukhuphuka kwezinga lolwandle lokho. Ukuthi nakanjani idolobha lizobhekana nakho esikhathini esizayo. Ngakho-ke kube nomsebenzi omuhle ngempela owenziwe nxazonke engingathanda ukuwubona uqhubekela phambili. Um, ngoba kunochwepheshe abaningi kabi lapha lokho. Lokho okuqondayo ukukhathazeka futhi okuqondayo izinselele futhi ukulungele ukubhekana nazo, uyazi, ngakho empeleni kuyintando yezombangazwe manje ngemuva kwalezo zinto ukuthi zisetshenziswe. Kodwa ngingathi, uyazi, umsebenzi omningi walowo msebenzi, ngihlabeke umxhwele ngawo wonke umsebenzi engawubona wenziwa ngasogwini lwaseVancouver.

Ukuze. Kuyajabulisa ngempela ukubona.

[00:22:07] UJackie De Burca: Ngiyabonga kakhulu.

[00:22:08] U-Alexandra Steed: Cha, ngiyabonga, Jackie. Kube yintokozo.