S4, E9: Zurich A Living Lab for Sustainable Cities With Anna Haas

Zurich no-Anna Haas Transcript

Sicela uqaphele ukuthi lokhu kukhiqizwa ngokwedijithali futhi kungase kuqukathe amaphutha athile.

UJackie De Burca: [00:00:00] This is Constructive Voices. Constructive Voices, the podcast for the construction people with news views and expert interviews.

Kodwa futhi ngijabule ngokuba no-Anna Haas. Kusukela e-Neustark lapha nami namuhla. Futhi eqinisweni, u-Anna uzoba ngomunye wezivakashi zokuqala ezizobe zikhuluma ngedolobha azinze kulo mayelana nokwenzekayo lapho okwamanje. Futhi lowo muzi yiZurich. Anna, ungathanda ukuvele uzethule kuqala?

Ngiyabonga,

U-Anna Haas: My name is Anna Haas, I live in Switzerland, close by to Zurich. I’m originally German. I’ve been living in Switzerland for the past round about 10 years and did my studies in Germany and mining engineer by trade mining.

Ubunjiniyela abujwayele ukuba njalo, ngakho-ke sebungene ekucutshungulweni kwezinto eziyisisekelo nesesibili ngesikhathi ngikwenza, ngase ngiqala uhambo lwami lokucubungula. [00:01:00] imishini, ukucubungula ukudla, ukusebenza. Okwebhizinisi iminyaka eminingana ngaphambi kokushintsha izindlela ezibheke emhlabeni wokuqala kanye nesigcawu nokunye okwengeziwe ebhizinisini lokwakha.

Futhi, kumelwe ngivume ukuthi ngiphuma emkhayeni onesizinda sokwakha. Ngakho-ke ubaba ubesebhizinisini iminyaka engaphezu kwengama-40 nefemu yakhe encane yobunjiniyela bezobunjiniyela, futhi nomama wami usebenzele inkampani enkulu futhi. ukwakhiwa bekuyisihloko setafula lesidlo sakusihlwa kanye nekhaya engakhulela kulo.

UJackie De Burca: Yebo, yebo. Awukwazi ukuqhela kukho. Yilokho okwenzekayo. Manje sizokwenza isiqephu esigxile emsebenzini wakho nenkampani yakho, futhi esizovela phakathi nenyanga efanayo nalesi siqephu. Ngakho wonke umuntu udinga ukugcina izindlebe namehlo abo ekulungele lokho. Kodwa okwamanje, ake sikhulume ngeZurich.

I-Zurich empeleni yaziwa njengedolobha elihamba phambili elisimeme. Ize yadlula i-ARC Sustainable [00:02:00] Uhlu Lwezikhombo Zamadolobha ngo-2016 nango-2024, lusendaweni yama-24. Kulolo hlu, yiziphi izinhlelo ezibalulekile ezigcine isithunzi seZurich ekusimameni futhi lezo zithuthuke kanjani kusukela ngo-2016?

U-Anna Haas: Yeah, great question. I was actually surprised to hear that we topped in in 2016 and have like fallen back so much. I don’t think that so much because of what Zurich did or didn’t do, but more like how other cities actually like chased us up because in a sense there’s a lot of things ongoing. So Zurich actually has like a net zero strategy by 2040 is always heavily investing into public infrastructure and trying to shift mobility.

Ukude nesithuthi ngasinye esibheke, noma njengomuntu ngamunye? Yebo. Uphethiloli, umlilo, ezokuthutha, ukubeka kanjalo. Ibheke emabhayisikili, ukuhamba ngezinyawo kanye nengqalasizinda yomphakathi ngempela kanye [00:03:00] eziningi futhi nezinhlelo ezincane eziqala ngokupaka emigwaqweni emikhulu yamabhayisikili edolobheni kuya ezintweni ezinkulu kanye nokukhipha isikhutha.

Imikhankaso nokuhlosiwe kwedolobha ngokwalo. Okunye okuthakaselekayo, wukugcizelela nokusimama kanye namathenda omphakathi, okuyikona okuphushe isihloko.

UJackie De Burca: Manje wena uzizwa kanjani usebenza eZurich? Ikakhulukazi njengomuntu oke wahlala ezindaweni ezimbalwa phesheya.

U-Anna Haas: Sekukonke, ngingasho ukuthi iSwitzerland iyizwe okuhlaleka kulo kakhulu, njengokuthi isondelene kakhulu nemvelo, futhi elisebenza kuze kufike edolobheni laseZurich kakhulu. Into yokuqala udinga ukuqhathanisa lonke Switzerland.

Kukhona, ngicabanga, abantu abancane kunabaseLondon. Ngakho-ke iZurich incane uma iqhathaniswa namadolobha amaningi amakhulu aseYurophu noma amaningi. Lokho kwenza umehluko omkhulu mayelana nokuthi imvelo isondele kangakanani [00:04:00] ukuthi, kufinyeleleka kangakanani, ukuthi izinto eziningi ziminyene kangakanani. Inechibi, unombono omuhle ngezinsuku ezinhle. Ngikujabulela kakhulu ukusebenza ngaphakathi

UJackie De Burca: Lokho kuzwakala kumangalisa ngempela. Manje, lo mgomo wokufisa ukwehlisa ukusetshenziswa kwamandla ukuya kuma-watts angu-2000 ngomuntu ngamunye ngo-2050 uyangigqamisa. Ungakwazi ukuchaza kabanzi, Anna, ngamasu nezinqubomgomo i-Zurich ezisebenzisayo ukuze kuzuzwe lokhu okuhloswe ngakho?

U-Anna Haas: Yebo, yebo, ngokuphelele. Ngakho ukuqonda kwami ​​okubalulekile ukuthi lokhu kuyingxenye yesu le-net 0 20 40 futhi ngempela kuhloswe ngalo umgomo wesikhathi eside wama-wats angu-2000 njengengxenye yalelo su net zero.

I-Zurich yenze ucwaningo olukhulu ngokuthi yiziphi izinto ezinomthelela endleleni. Ngokuyisisekelo, iningi noma umthelela omkhulu womnikelo womuntu ngamunye okhonjiwe ulele ekuhambeni nengqalasizinda, kodwa indawo ethengiswayo ngempela. [00:05:00] Ngakho-ke izinqubomgomo eziningi ezisebenzela lo mgomo ziya endleleni ngempela.

Changing behavior around these topics, especially in mobility, what I mentioned earlier, the public transport, also making commuting by car really less attractive. It’s a lot of nudging in that sense. And the other aspect with real estate is also around how well insulated, houses. What is the heating system?

Siwatholaphi amandla, njengama-levers aziwayo, kodwa. Ihlanganiswe kahle kakhulu namaphrojekthi angempela. Futhi kukhona ukuboleka komshayeli wezinto eziningi lapho izinto zivivinywa ngaphambi kokuthi zisakazwe kulo lonke idolobha. Mm-hmm. futhi okungenzeka ukuthi kucace kakhulu eSwitzerland naseZurich umbuso wentando yeningi oqondile kanye nezinto eziningi ezifana nokubandakanya abantu nokuthola izinqumo zokuthi izinto kufanele zenziwe futhi ziqhutshwe kanjani ngempela.

[00:06:00] Kodwa lokho kuphinde kukutholele ukuthengwa kwabantu.

UJackie De Burca: Lokho kuzwakala kuthakazelisa ngempela.

U-Anna Haas: ngalokho?

UJackie De Burca: Yebo,

U-Anna Haas: ngakho-ke kulo lonke elaseSwitzerland, iZurich yaziwa ngokuthi, ngingasho, izindawo zasemadolobheni uma ziqhathaniswa nasemaphandleni. Ingxoxo evamile mayelana nokuthi, kulungile, abantu banesithakazelo kangakanani ekudleni kwemifino, i-vegan?

I-Zurich iphakamisa kakhulu lolu hlu. Kuningi ukwazi mayelana nezihloko zemvelo. Kungokwepolitiki kakhulu ngakwesobunxele futhi kufana namaqembu aluhlaza kunezinye izifunda. Futhi nini, ngakho intando yeningi eqondile isebenza emazingeni amaningana, akunjalo?

Unamavoti ezingeni lezwe, kodwa ehlela komasipala. Futhi abantu empeleni bangaphakamisa imizamo. Futhi uma uthola amasiginesha anele, azoba ngaphambi kwevoti, Futhi ngokusekelwa kwabantu, okuningi kwalokhu okuluhlaza. [00:07:00] izihloko, ngizibiza nje ngokujwayelekile, uthola okuningi kwalokhu ngokwepolitiki ngokuthengwa kwabantu kakhulu.

UJackie De Burca: Lokho kuzwakala sengathi kufanele kwenziwe yonke indawo ngempela,

U-Anna Haas: Yebo, ngingavuma. Ngingumsekeli omkhulu wentando yeningi eqondile, uma ngikhuluma iqiniso. Kuphinde kube yindaba yokwethenjwa, njengokuthemba abantu ukuthi bazokwenza ukukhetha okufundile, ukwethemba abantu ukuthi nabo benze izinqumo ezinhle zizonke. Futhi nginomuzwa wokuthi ipolitiki ngezinye izikhathi iyashoda ukuthi ngesikhathi esifanayo, izwe elincane kulula ukuphatha kunelikhulu.

Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi yinkulumo-mpikiswano enzima, kodwa futhi ngingakumela ngempela okwengeziwe. Intando yeningi eqondile kanye nokubandakanya abantu.

UJackie De Burca: Impela. Ngicabanga ukuthi uma abantu bezizwa behilelekile, banomthwalo wemfanelo futhi bayabona ukuthi izifiso zabo ziyavezwa futhi ziyacatshangelwa, okuyinto ebaluleke ngempela.

U-Anna Haas: ukukwamukela. Wawunokuzikhethela nokuthi wakuthatha noma akakwenzanga, futhi yilokho. Nakanjani. Awukwenzi [00:08:00] uzizwa unamandla kakhulu ngezinye izikhathi, kodwa empeleni kufana nento enikeza amandla. Ngokuphelele. Abantu futhi. Bahlonipha uma bengakutholi okuningi kukho, futhi ungakwazi, uma ungavumelani, ungazama futhi.

Yebo. Ngezinye izikhathi imizwa yomphakathi iyashintsha ngempela ngokuhamba kwesikhathi. Impela.

UJackie De Burca: Yebo. Cha, ngicabanga ukuthi yinhle kakhulu. Manje, iSwitzerland inamazinga ahlaba umxhwele okugaywa kabusha ngezibalo ezingaba ngu-94% wesigaba esidala kanye nama-81% weziqukathi zezilwane ezifuywayo ezigaywa kabusha. Ngabe iZurich ibe nesandla kanjani kule mpumelelo yezwe. Ingabe zikhona izinhlelo zasendaweni ezishayela la mazinga aphezulu okugaywa kabusha?

U-Anna Haas: Umbuzo othokozisayo. Ngiyazi ukuthi kunohlelo oluthize eZurich olungaphusha abantu abazi kabanzi ngezinhlelo ezijwayelekile ezikhona, futhi bangafaka nemikhankaso emikhulu yokumaketha edolobheni lonke. Ngisho noma ungayifundanga ngempela, usuyibonile futhi. Bese kungena [00:09:00] wonke umphakathi.

Izimo noma ezifana nokuba sesidlangalaleni, njengasesitimela, ngiya eZurich nsuku zonke. Ngakho uma udlula esitimeleni, nomaphi lapho uya khona, kufana nomgqomo owengeziwe wesilwane esifuywayo. Futhi ngempela kusukela ekuqaleni, kusukela esikoleni samabanga aphansi kuya phambili, ufundiswa ukuthi ungagaywa kanjani kabusha izinto. Impela iqala lapho. Kimina, ngivela ezweni elihlukile, empeleni bekujabulisa kakhulu ukubona ukuthi kungakanani ukuziphatha.

Uyaqeqeshwa bese futhi egudluzwa esidlangalaleni mayelana nokugaywa kabusha. Futhi lokho kusebenza kahle ngoba ngicabanga ukuthi indlela, umzamo oqhubekayo. Futhi bayabona uma amazinga okugaywa kabusha ehla kancane, sekuyisikhathi somunye umkhankaso.

UJackie De Burca: Ngakho-ke, kwenzeka kusukela ebusheni kuya phezulu, okuyinto ebaluleke ngempela emphakathini, akunjalo?

U-Anna Haas: Nokho,

UJackie De Burca: IZurich njengedolobha yenze igxathu elibalulekile ekukhuthazeni izindlela zokuphila ezingenazo izimoto kanye nokuthuthukisa [00:10:00] ezokuthutha zomphakathi. Yiziphi izinguquko zakamuva ezikhuthaze izakhamuzi ukuthi zisebenzise izindlela zokuthutha ezisimeme?

U-Anna Haas: futhi lapho ngiqala ihhovisi ingxoxo, ngempela ibhayisikili onguthelawayeka ezungeze idolobha. Ngakho lapho empeleni ubeke phambili ithrafikhi yamabhayisikili ngaphambili. Bonke abanye. Futhi lokho kwenza abantu bashintshe futhi bashintshe ngoba bayabona ukuthi bangakwazi ukuwela idolobha ngokushesha okukhulu ngokuhamba ngebhayisikili.

Esikhundleni sokuthatha imoto, angisoze ngahamba ngemoto eZurich. Ngiyacasuka uma ngike ngadinwa ngoba kumele ucoshe okuthile. Kodwa ukuzama ukukugwema nganoma iyiphi indlela futhi, njengezimali zokupaka ziphezulu kakhulu. Ngakho-ke kufana nezindlela zombili, njengokuhlangana okungekuhle nokuziphatha okungafuneki kanye ne.

Ukusekela kwakho konke okunye. Futhi kamuva nje, yini esanda kwenzeka, ngakho-ke kube nesitimela esisha noma i-metro engaphansi kwedolobha eyethulwe exhuma enye ingxenye yedolobha nokuningi [00:11:00] amabhasi ngokuyisisekelo. Kodwa ngaleso sitimela esiya edolobheni, lokho kusize kakhulu ngoba kwenza ezokuthutha zisebenze kahle futhi le miklamo yengqalasizinda iyabiza.

Kodwa ngibona njalo bebekwa phambili futhi. Isizathu sangempela sokuthi kungani isebenze ingoba izithuthi zomphakathi zithembeke kakhulu, futhi kuphinde kugcizelelwe kakhulu kulokho kwethembeka. Uma wazi ukuthi unomhlangano ngehora lesishiyagalombili futhi ungaqiniseki ukuthi unokubambezeleka okukhulu futhi kufanele uthathe izitimela ezimbili ngaphambi kwesikhathi kwamanye amadolobha, ungabe usukhetha enye inketho.

Kodwa eSwitzerland. Kufana nethuba elingu-98% lokuthi ushaye imashi, futhi lokho kuyasiza ngempela.

UJackie De Burca: Lokho kumele kube yinto emangalisayo njengoba uke wahlala ezindaweni ezingasebenzi kahle.

U-Anna Haas: Asikufingqe nokho.

UJackie De Burca: Yebo. Ngakho-ke njengokukhuluma ngawe, lapho utholakala endaweni ethile emaphandleni, ngaphandle kwaseZurich, [00:12:00] kukuthatha isikhathi esingakanani ukungena eZurich City?

U-Anna Haas: babe. Nginokuxhumana okune ngehora, ngakho-ke njalo ngemizuzu eyi-15 ukuya edolobheni, futhi okubili kwakho kuwuhlobo oluthile futhi okubili kuhamba kancane. Ukuphefumula kungithatha imizuzu engu-35 ukuya esiteshini, bese ngingena endlini ngendlu. Empeleni nginemizuzu engama-45 yokusebenza. Lokho kusebenza kahle kakhulu ngoba ngihamba ngezinyawo ngiya esiteshini, ngigibele isitimela, bese ngihamba ngezinyawo ngiya emsebenzini futhi.

Hmm. Ngibona sengathi kuyiphupho ngoba asikho isidingo sokuthi ngishintshe izitimela. Ngingasebenza nje ngisendleleni. Ngesikhathi esifanayo. Ake sibone, bekunjani? Yebo, lokho kuyinzuzo. Ukusebenzela i-Neustark izisebenzi zesikhathi esigcwele eSwitzerland zithola njengepasi eligcwele lokuhamba. O, kumnandi lokho. Umholo. Yebo. Kuyaqiniswa ngempela, futhi, ukuthi uthathe isitimela futhi ungakhethi noma iyiphi enye inketho.

Futhi ngine, ngiyacabanga, ngasese, angikaze ngibe nemoto empilweni yami yonke. Hewu. Mina, angikwazi ukushayela. Ngizama ukuhlela ukuphila kwami. [00:13:00] Futhi isimo sami sokuphila ngendlela esebenza kahle ngempela

UJackie De Burca: with public offerings. So Zurich’s commitment, Anna, to expanding green spaces is also evident with legislation, ensuring that 30% of Switzerland surface is comprised of forests and woodlands.

Now, how does the city balance urban development with this preservation?

U-Anna Haas: umhubhe obizayo.

UJackie De Burca: Kuhle.

U-Anna Haas: Impela leyo ingxenye yawo. Lokho akunabalandeli kuphela ngoba lama phrojekthi nawo made. Njengokuthi zithatha isikhathi esiningi futhi zibiza kakhulu, kodwa uma seziqedile, ngokuvamile abantu bayakwazisa ngempela.

That’s the main thing, like for really the urban spaces. And as mentioned also like pilot borrowers where you would like trial greening areas and these kind of things, [00:14:00] okuyinto engazi kuze kube sekugcineni ukuthi lezi zinhlelo zisebenza kanjani.

UJackie De Burca: Manje futhi, idolobha seligxile ekunyakazeni okusimeme, okuhlanganisa amanethiwekhi amaningi okuhamba ngamabhayisikili nokuhamba ngezinyawo. Zihlanganiswa kanjani nezithuthi zomphakathi? Ingabe uyazi ukukhuthaza uhambo olungenamthungo?

U-Anna Haas: Yebo, ngakho-ke iphrojekthi eyodwa enkulu esaqhubeka okwamanje ifana nomhubhe omkhulu wamabhayisikili esiteshini esikhulu ukuze ukwazi ukwenza lawa maphuzu axhumane kangcono.

Futhi, eziteshini ezinkulu, kukhona. Ezifundeni lapho uswele khona isithuthi somphakathi, ungahlala unokuhamba mayelana nenketho yokwabelana ngemoto eziteshini ongakwazi nokuzibhukha kancane. Inqwaba yokupaka kwamabhayisikili ezungeze iziteshi.

Ngicabanga ukuthi yindlela ehlangana kahle ngayo, futhi angazi noma uke wakwenza lokho. Beye emadolobheni noma behlala emadolobheni [00:15:00] lapho babenezithuthi zomphakathi, kodwa akuzange kube nengqondo ngempela ukuthi ujantshi wesizwe ungaxhumani kahle Futhi ngizwa sengathi lokho kuxazululwe kahle impela lapha.

Ukuze kube, akuyona inkimbinkimbi, kodwa ihlelwe ngendlela ephumelelayo. Ukuhlela kwenza umehluko omkhulu Akukhona ngokuba nokuthile noma ukungabi nalutho, kodwa ukucabanga ngakho kwenza umehluko omkhulu futhi.

UJackie De Burca: Yebo, cha, ngivuma ngokuphelele. Ngokusobala kungenye yezinkinga ezinhlotsheni eziningi zezinhlobo.

Uma uthanda ukunakekelwa kwezempilo ngokwesibonelo, uneziyalo ezisebenza ngokuhlukene ngokuphelele komunye nomunye, kuyilapho umuntu ephelele.

U-Anna Haas: The national train and the regional trains, they all work over one app. It’s not that you need different apps for different ticketing for different service providers, and it’d been some time back more than 10 years that I lived in Barcelona. So by now it might have changed, but I remember they had the ran fair and that was a different system that like the other trains.

Futhi yebo, kwakunjalo [00:16:00] kuyinkimbinkimbi kakhulu ukukucacisa nokwenza lokho kube lula futhi kufinyeleleke sekuvele kuyimpumuzo noma kunjalo. amaphuzu okungena alula. Kwenza kube lula ukuyisebenzisa. Yebo.

UJackie De Burca: So, listen, community, which is obviously at the center of everything, the involvement of the community plays a huge role, doesn’t it, in Zurich’s sustainability efforts.

How are residents, Anna, engaged in co-creating initiatives? I know we’ve touched on it slightly, obviously with direct democracy. That enhance the city’s resilience and environmental stewardship?

U-Anna Haas: Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi ababoleki bomshayeli bayisibonelo esihle salokho. Uma sibheka iqiniso lokuthi uzama ukushintsha umuntu obolekayo esikhathini esingangonyaka, nokuthi ungashintsha kanjani ukusethwa kwemigwaqo ukuze kube lula ukuhambahamba noma ukuhamba ngebhayisikili kanye nokulimaza izimoto futhi, konke futhi.

Abantu bavame ukubuzwa mayelana nokuthi yini enengqondo noma lapho ongakhetha khona [00:17:00] isenayo imigwaqo? Futhi-ke abakwenzayo kuvame ukucela abantu ukuthi bahlangane nyanga zonke noma, ithuba lomphakathi hhayi ngekhodi ye-QR kuphela ukunikeza impendulo ezintweni ezivivinywa lapho njengamanje, kodwa futhi nokuhlangana, kuxoxwe.

Bese ngokususelwe kulokhu okutholakele, bese bedala imiqondo, lokho okufanele kusetshenziswe nokungafanele. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kwakha okuningi ngokuhlanganisa abantu nokuzama ukuthola impendulo eminingi ngangokunokwenzeka.

UJackie De Burca: Now, looking ahead, Anna, what upcoming projects or policies in Zurich are there that excites you most in terms of advancing sustainability, resilience and biodiversity?

U-Anna Haas: Amaphrojekthi e-CDR ngempela futhi iZurich iphinde ixhase ukususwa kwe-carbon dioxide futhi iyigcine unomphela.

bacabanga ngempela, kulungile, noma ngabe senze zonke izinyathelo esingayenza, lapho [00:18:00] kuzoba ukukhishwa kwensalela okusele futhi kufanele sikugcine ndawana thize. sebevele bahlola futhi bahlola isitoreji sokwakheka komhlaba e-Iceland. Baphinde baxhase lokhu ukuze kwenzeke ngoba eziningi zalezi zinto okwamanje azikwazi ukusebenza kahle kwezomnotho, kodwa zifuna ukuthola ulwazi nokuba nombono wokuthi zingabukeka kanjani eminyakeni eyi-10, 20.

I really encourage that they’re doing that because I feel like if you’re there in 2039. You figure now we still have residual emissions. Okay, let’s plant some trees. So I really enjoy how serious they take it and that they’re really looking into

UJackie De Burca: Manje, kube yingxoxo ethakazelisa ngempela futhi empeleni ngizwa sengathi ngifunde okuningi kabi ngeZurich. Ngingacabanga nokuthuthela lapho ngemva kwayo yonke into oyishilo. Kuzwakala ngempela. Akukubi futhi. Lalela-ke wenze kahle kakhulu ukukhuluma ngeZurich futhi ngibheke ngabomvu okulandelayo [00:19:00] ingxoxo yesiqephu esizofaka inkampani osebenza nayo, i-Noy Stark.

Futhi leso kuzoba yisiqephu esilandelayo se-Constructive Voices. Ngiyabonga kakhulu Anna. Ngiyabonga. Lawa ngamazwi akhayo.