I-S3, E6: I-Portrait To Landscape-Isu Lendawo Lokuhlela Kabusha Ikusasa Lethu, u-Alexandra Wagibela Encwadini Yakhe Egqashuka Ephansi, Ingxenye 1

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[00:00:00] Isipikha A: Constructive Voices, the podcast for the construction people with news, views and expert interviews.

U-Charlotte Dancer: Lona nguCharlotte Dancer wamazwi akhayo. Isiqephu sanamuhla sihlanganisa u-Alexandra Stead, ofakwe ohlwini olufushane loMklomelo weSir David Attenborough, egqamisa ukuzinikela kwakhe ekulondolozeni nasekuthuthukiseni izinhlobonhlobo zezinto eziphilayo kanye nemvelo.

Ungumklami womhlaba owaziwayo, owine imiklomelo eminingi kanye nombhali wesithombe esibalulekile sencwadi yesu lokwakheka kwezwe lokuhlela kabusha ikusasa lethu.

[00:00:32] UMaxwell Alves: Lona nguMaxwell Alves, futhi lapha ukuze akwamukele ochungechungeni lwezincwadi lokuqala ngqa lwe-Constructive Voices.

U-Joanne Proft, umqondisi ohlanganyele, Ikhampasi yokuhlela umphakathi kanye nokuhlelwa komphakathi eNyuvesi yaseBritish Columbia, wathi ngale ncwadi, u-Alexandra.

[00:00:46] UCharlotte Dancer: I-Stead inikeza impikiswano ephoqelelayo, ecwaningwe kahle, nenentshisekelo yokuthola ikusasa lempilo emhlabeni ngokwenza ushintsho olubalulekile ebudlelwaneni bethu nemvelo ukusuka kumbono wesithombe osuselwe kusithombe ozishuthe sona ukuya ekubukeni kwezwe okuhlanganisayo.

[00:01:00] UMaxwell Alves: Lesi siqephu ngesokuqala ochungechungeni lwezingxenye ezine oludingida ngokujulile isithombe sencwadi esiphusile esiya esu le-landscape lokuhlela kabusha ikusasa lethu.

[00:01:08] UCharlotte Dancer: The author has generously offered ten books for our giveaway. Be sure to check out the information on the constructive Voices website constructive dash voices.com and on social media – hosted by Jackie de Burca

[00:01:24] UJackie De Burca: Ngakho-ke ngijabule kakhulu ukuba no-Alexandra Stead nathi namuhla. Ungumbhali wencwadi emangalisayo engithole kuyo inqwaba nenqwaba yamaparele okuhlakanipha. Ungumdwebi wezakhiwo onothando ozibophezele ngokujulile emandleni aguqulayo ezindawo. Manje, ungumbhali wencwadi engisanda kuyibala. Ngeke ngikunike isihloko ngoba isihloko sikhethekile futhi ngincamela ukuthi u-Alexandra akhulume ngalokho. Kodwa-ke, isiqalo nje kwesinye sezibuyekezo engizitholile zithi u-Alexandra Stead unikeza impikiswano ephoqelelayo, ecwaningwe kahle, futhi enentshisekelo yokuthola ikusasa lempilo yasemhlabeni ngokwenza ushintsho olubalulekile ebudlelwaneni bethu nemvelo ukusuka kusithombe esiqondiswe ku-selfie. umbono wombono we-landscape ohlanganisa wonke. Okokuqala, Alexandra, ngithanda ukubonga kakhulu ngokuba lapha namuhla. Futhi uma ungathanda ukuneba nje ngokuthi ungubani wena siqu nangokomsebenzi.

[00:02:29] U-Alexandra Steed: O, ngiyabonga, Jackie. Kuyinjabulo enkulu ukukhuluma nawe.

Kulungile, kahle, ngokomuntu siqu nangokomsebenzi. Ngingumuntu othanda imvelo, ngingumuntu othanda ubuciko, futhi ngingumama wamadodana amabili engiwakhonzile.

Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi konke kuxhumene kimi. Sengibe ngumdwebi wokwakheka kwezwe manje cishe iminyaka engama-25 futhi ngisawuthanda kakhulu manje njengoba nganginjalo. Kungivumele ukuthi ngithathe uthando lwami lobuciko ngilufake kulokho engicabanga ukuthi kuyindlela enhle kakhulu. Futhi lokho kusebenza nomhlaba ngokwawo futhi ukuqopha nokusebenzisana nomhlaba ophilayo ukudala le misebenzi yobuciko ephilayo yindlela engiyibona ngayo. Ngakho yilokho engikushisekela kakhulu.

[00:03:23] UJackie De Burca: Kufanele ngiphawule ngemifanekiso yakho esencwadini. Ziyamangalisa ngempela.

[00:03:28] U-Alexandra Steed: O, ngiyabonga kakhulu. Ngibathola bewusizo ngempela ukuhlela ukucacisa imibono, ngisho nami, kodwa nakwabanye, futhi.

[00:03:37] UJackie De Burca: Impela, impela. Ngakho-ke ake sikhulume kancane mayelana nesizinda sakho sobuchwepheshe. Unomkhuba wakho kanye nokuba ngumbhali, ngakho-ke ake sithole okwengeziwe ngalolo hlangothi lwakho.

[00:03:52] U-Alexandra Steed: Kulungile. Nokho, njengoba ngishilo, sengineminyaka engaba ngu-25 ngisemkhakheni wezokwakha indawo. Ngafunda e-University of British Columbia eVancouver, lapho ngase ngenze khona iziqu kwezobuciko. Ngabe senginquma ukuthi ngifuna ukuthatha ubuciko bami ngibuyise endaweni yomphakathi kanye nendawo ukuze ngenze lokho engikubona njengemisebenzi yobuciko esebenzisana kakhulu nenolwazi.

Futhi ngakho bengilokhu ngikwenza lokho iminyaka engama-25. Ekuqaleni, ngasebenza emnyangweni wedolobha laseVancouver Greenways, ngaleso sikhathi okwakuwumbono omusha kakhulu wokuhlanganisa ibhuloho. Ubunjiniyela and planning, and then to bring landscape and arthem into that, to create cycling and pedestrian routes through the whole city. So to create a network of these green and beautiful routes that people could travel through the city on. So I did that for a few years, and then I moved to London 20 years ago, and I worked in a variety of practices there. I first worked in an urban design practice. Then I worked with a wonderful landscape architect named Martha Schwartz and ended up running her studio in London.

Futhi ngemva kwalokho, ngasebenza ne-Aecom, futhi ngaqhuba istudiyo sokuklama lapho, futhi ngaba nethuba elikhulu lapho lokusebenza emazweni ngamazwe futhi ngizizwele ukusebenza ngezinga elikhulu kakhulu. Amaphrojekthi esawenza ayemikhulu kakhulu. Futhi-ke ngabe sengize nalo lonke uhlobo lokuhlangenwe nakho lapho ngiqala eyami i-practice ebizwa ngokuthi i-Urban emuva ngo-2013. Futhi ngakwenza lokho ngoba ngangishisekela kakhulu ukudala izindawo ukuze ngilethe ubuhle nenjabulo ezimpilweni zabantu zansuku zonke.

Ngakho yilokho ebengilokhu ngisebenza kukho kusukela ngaleso sikhathi.

[00:05:48] UJackie De Burca: Ngakho, yebo, yeka indaba emangalisayo. Futhi yini ekulethele, okokuqala, ukuthi ubhale incwadi? Ngoba, vele, upende impilo yobungcweti ematasa kakhulu futhi enemibala kuze kube manje.

[00:06:01] U-Alexandra Steed: Yebo. Hhayi-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi nginenhlanhla enkulu ngokuba neqembu elihle kakhulu engisebenza nalo e-Urban. Futhi ngakho-ke ngezwa ukuthi inkampani isendaweni lapho yayisebenza kahle kakhulu. Ngaba nabantu abahle kakhulu abahola amaphrojekthi, futhi ngacabanga, kahle, leli yithuba manje engingakwazi ukusebenzela incwadi, ebengifuna ukuyenza iminyaka embalwa. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi ngase ngiqala ukuzwa ukucindezela kwesikhathi ukungibamba kanye nemibono engangicabanga ukuthi idinga ukusabalalisa emhlabeni ngokushesha futhi ngokuphuthumayo, ngoba le ncwadi iwubizo esenzweni, ngempela. Futhi ngacabanga, uma ngingakwenzi manje, ngizobe ngigeje ithuba.

Ngakho-ke ngizizwe ngiphuthuma ngalokho, futhi nganquma, kulungile, ngizowuthatha lo nyaka, okuyinto, uyazi, kwakucishe kube unyaka, lapho ngichithe amandla amaningi encwadini ngesikhathi esifanayo ukusebenza umkhuba, kodwa kwaba unyaka omatasa.

[00:07:02] UJackie De Burca: Yebo, ngingakwazisa ngokuphelele lokho. Manje, ake sifinyelele ku. Ngoba ngisuse umqondo wokufaka isihloko ekuqaleni kwencwadi yakho ngenhloso, ngoba isihloko sikhethekile kakhulu. Sithini isihloko sencwadi yakho futhi imayelana nani? U-Alexandra?

[00:07:17] U-Alexandra Steed: Kulungile. Nokho, kubizwa ngokuthi i-portrait to landscape, isu lokwakheka kwezwe lokuhlela kabusha ikusasa lethu.

And so the phrase portrait to landscape became a defining phrase for me, and it helped me sort of hinge everything in the book on that perspective. So really, portrait to landscape, for me, means two things. One is a shift in our perspective from looking at things, kind of. You know, if you understand a portrait orientation, it’s vertical and really focusing on ourselves and then flipping to a landscape orientation that’s much broader. And it’s a wide angle landscape lens where you include the living world around you, your environment, and your context. So that’s one way that I envision that phrase. But also, to me, it means flipping from just looking at ourselves. So a very kind of inward focused, more selfish gaze outwards to the fuller community. And not just the community of people around us, but the full community of life that is so often ignored by all of our economic structures, our financial structures, our political structures. That full community of life is often just ignored and seen as something to support us rather than support us financially or in terms of what we can extract and take from it, rather than thinking about how we are so interconnected. So that’s really what I wanted to convey in that phrase, portrait to landscape, as a shift in our perspective and in our worldview.

[00:09:16] UJackie De Burca: Kulungile, manje, ngicabanga ukuthi isihloko ngokusobala sihlakaniphile, futhi incwadi ihlakaniphe ngokuphelele. Kodwa kulabo abangakayifundi ngencazelo esheshayo, kuthini nge-lifti pitch?

[00:09:34] U-Alexandra Steed: Kungukuthi, njengoba isihloko sisho, yisu lokuma kwezwe lokuhlela kabusha ikusasa lethu. Ngakho-ke ngingumdwebi wokwakheka kwezwe. Engikwaziyo ukubhala ngamasu e-landscape. Angazi ngempela ukuthi zibhalwa kanjani izincwadi.

Ngakho-ke engakwenza ukuthi ngifake incwadi njengeqhinga le-landscape. Nginikeze umbono wokuthi singadala kanjani ubumba olusha. Ngabe sengihamba ngayochaza isizinda sethu nesimo sethu samanje.

Ngibheke ukuthi sifike kanjani kulesi simo esikusona. Bese-ke le ncwadi iqhubeka nokuchaza ukuthi manje singasiguqula kanjani leso simo esikhona sibe into enhle kakhulu futhi enhle kakhulu futhi ehlanganisiwe.

Futhi lokho ngikwenza ngokuveza izimiso zokuklama engivame ukuzenza kusu lokuma kwezwe bese ngisuka lapho ngiye ezenzweni ezinhlanu ezibalulekile thina njengabantu ngabanye, njengemiphakathi, njengezizwe, njengesintu somhlaba wonke esingasithatha ngaleso sikhathi ukuze sisihole. ikusasa eliqhakazile nelinethemba kanye nelivuselelayo.

[00:10:51] UJackie De Burca: Kumnandi. Manje, ubani obona ukuthi i-Alexandra iyizithameli eziqondiswe encwadini yakho?

[00:10:57] U-Alexandra Steed: Hhayi-ke, bengingafuni ukuyibhalela abanye abaklami nje kaningi njengomklami wendawo, ngikhuluma nabanye abaklami bendawo ezingqungqutheleni zethu, emicimbini yokuklomelisa, uyazi, ama-webinars, lolo hlobo lwento. . Futhi sonke uhlobo lokuqonda izinto ezifanayo kakhulu, mhlawumbe abanye, uyazi, umehluko wemibono. Kodwa-ke, niyazi, sengivele ngikhuluma nabaphendukile uma ngenza lokho. Futhi engangifuna ukukwenza ngempela kwakuwukuchazela umhlaba wonke ukuthi kungani i-landscape ibaluleke kangaka. Futhi okwamanje, angiboni ukuthi i-landscape ithola ukunakwa emaphephandabeni.

Impela ayinakho ukunakwa okuningi mayelana nezwe lentuthuko. Futhi engangifuna abantu bakuqonde ukuthi kungani kufanele banakekele futhi kanjani. Kubaluleke kangakanani ngokwamathuba.

Futhi uma sigxila kukho, singazinqoba kanjani ngempela eziningi zezinselele zethu zamanje zemvelo. Kodwa kungaphezu kwalokho. Idlulela nasezinseleleni zethu eziningi zomphakathi kanye nezinselele zomnotho futhi. Ngakho-ke ngangifuna abantu babone zonke lezi zinzuzo ezimangalisayo ezingalethwa yi-landscape uma sikunaka nalapho sigxila kukho ngempela ekuthuthukisweni komuntu.

[00:12:27] UJackie De Burca: So, of course, we’re recording this in May of 2024, and it’ll be released in June of 2024. But, you know, people tend to listen to these podcasts for years afterwards. So that’s why I’m marking the date. No other reason for it. But at this time, we’re only a few months after the law, the biodiversity neck gain laws come out in England. And in a sense, that’s like, okay, that’s a little bit of.

Kungukuvuma kancane ukuthi, kulungile, sidinga ukubheka isimo sezwe uma siyokwenza intuthuko manje ngoba simosheke kakhulu futhi manje kudingeka senze okuthile. Nakuba kungenele, kuyinto. Futhi ngiqagele, niyazi, ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kusiletha endleleni yokuba. Kufana nalokhu ukubona okuncane. Futhi nakuba, njengoba ngisho, angikholwa ukuthi kwanele nhlobo, kusiletha embuzweni omkhulu, njengokuthi, ubuntu kanye nobudlelwano nemvelo. Sesifike esigabeni lapho sicabanga ukuthi kumele sishaye umthetho ozokwenza okuthile okuzokwenza umehluko omncane, kungasho ukuthi kube nomehluko omkhulu. Lokho kuletha umbuzo omkhulu mayelana nokuthi buyini ubudlelwano bethu bamanje nemvelo? UCABANGANI?

[00:13:36] U-Alexandra Steed: Well, thank you for bringing up the biodiversity net gain because as you say, that really is a significant step forward. I was speaking to Professor David Hill last week actually, during an online webinar, and he is the person that was really advocating for biodiversity net gain. He’s an ecologist, and so he was working with the government to advocate for this legislation for 20 years. So it’s not a new idea. And unfortunately, it didn’t really pan out the way he saw it either. It’s much more now limited and the focus is on, on site gains rather than off site, which. Anyway, that’s a whole other.

[00:14:18] UJackie De Burca: Bengizosho okufanayo nje. Mhlawumbe enye ingxoxo uma sivunyelwe ukudalula.

[00:14:23] U-Alexandra Steed: Yes, but yes. The point of that is that I see that this whole situation that we found ourselves in this, this awful predicament in terms of climate change, global warming, ecological collapse and so many other things, in terms of plastics pollutions and the way we’re seeing the arctic ice melts. And there’s so many environmental issues now. And I really see that all stemming from the worldview that most of western society has, which is a very dualistic construct. So it’s humans, us versus it nature, and it’s this mindset that I think it has centuries, maybe even millennia of history of seeing ourselves as dominant over and as sort of the conqueror over nature. And that nature is really just there for our use and that it doesn’t have value apart from the use that we give nature. So that is why in all of our sort of driving structures, in our systemic structures in the western world at least I’ll only speak from that perspective, is that we now find ourselves in a place where we have just been taking and extracting and exploiting and withdrawing and never investing back, you know, and now nature is just completely overwhelmed.

There was quite a time period where nature was able to absorb all of the contaminants and pollutants and all of the waste and toxins that humanity was dumping into it. Now there’s so many humans on this planet and there’s so much waste and so much pollution that nature cannot absorb it any longer. And so now that’s why we’re starting to see all these changes. So, you know, we’ve really worked ourselves into a mess that we now need a different way of thinking to be able to come out of this mess. We can’t start, we can’t keep going back to our same sort of thinking of, oh, we need to come up with more technological solutions. It’s really thinking about how do we now work collaboratively with nature and how do we see ourselves as part of nature rather than separate from it, which indeed we are. I mean, we completely are reliant on the food that we eat, the soils that grow that food, the air we breathe, the fresh water that we drink. Hopefully, many people don’t have access to fresh water, but all of these things are integral in our bodies. You know, they’re what, what nourish us. They’re what keep even our own bodies going and give us life. So it’s completely inseparable. And yet, and yet somehow we’ve made this construct that, that we are separate. Now we need to overcome that. And that’s what a big part of the shift from portrait to landscape is about.

[00:17:50] UJackie De Burca: Ngizophonsa okuthile lapho okungeyona ingxenye yencwadi yakho ngempela, kodwa kuhlobene ngomqondo wokuthi, yebo, kukhona ubudlelwano obukabili, ngokusobala, ubuhlobo obuxoxile ngabo. Bese kuba khona i- catch 22 ukuthi iningi labantu beminyaka ethile, ake sithi iminyaka yokusebenza, idinga ukuthola imali. Ngakho-ke babambelele kulolu hlobo lokufana, uyazi, umjikelezo wokudinga ukuzuza imali. Futhi abanalo ngempela ithuba eliningi lokuqala ukushintsha umbono wabo, ngisho noma befunda incwadi yakho noma bethatha, uyazi, ezinye izinhlobo zemidiya.

Singakanani isikhathi abantu okufanele bashintshe ngaso futhi babone, ingabe uyazi ukuthi ngithini?

[00:18:34] U-Alexandra Steed: Yeah. Well, it’s a good question. And of course, it’s something that I think it’s a shift that has to happen internally. And once that has happened, I think your whole perspective on life changes. And then, for example, what you choose to do for your work might be something very different than what you had chosen previously, how you choose to eat, you know, that will change how you choose to get from a to b. You know, perhaps rather than choosing to drive and to use fuel, you might choose to walk or to cycle and actually get exercise and, you know, sure to nourish your body that way as well. So there’s all these things. When we start to have a different perspective with our lifestyle will then, I think, start to evolve as well. And I know that’s happened in my own life. You know, more and more and more just different aspects of that mentality then are integrated into my life and just become part of my daily routine, which I don’t even think about then any longer. But I think, well, going back to the question of work and careers, there’s actually a huge amount of opportunity for people getting involved in different green types of approaches. And for example, the government and governments around the world have said that by 2030, we need to have protected 30% of land and 30% of seas, and yet there are very, very few people trained in conservation, in park management and that sort of thing. And yet we’ll have all these protected nature space spaces with very few people that know how to manage it. So there is a huge lack of experience and skill. So we need now people to start going into those fields that in the past had very little funding, had very kind of few routes of education through, but now those are picking up and so there’s many, many opportunities that way. That’s just one example of the type of career that people could maybe get.

[00:20:50] UJackie De Burca: Yebo, ngisho, impendulo enhle. Okusho ngaphambilini ngakho, uyazi, uma usuqala ukuzijwayeza, uyazi, ushintsho olulodwa noma ezimbili ezincane ekutheni ukudla noma ukuthatha uhambo kunemoto noma ukuhamba ngebhayisikili, futhi kufana nje nokuzilolonga noma ukudla. umbuso, uma usuqalile, uyazi, ukudlula kancane kuhulumeni bese kuba yingxenye yempilo yakho. Ngakho lelo yiphuzu elihle kakhulu. Manje, mhlawumbe kufanele sibe nengxoxo ngo-2030, uma kungenjalo ngaphambili, okusho ukubona ukuthi sonke sikuphi ngo-2030. Kodwa lokho kuwukulahla lapho ngoba kusasele iminyaka eyisithupha kuphela. Ngokusobala, sibuyela encwadini. Ngokusobala. Ake sikhulume nge-landscape njengekhanvasi ephilayo.

[00:21:31] U-Alexandra Steed: Kulungile? Hhayi-ke, nami ngiyayithanda leyo nkulumo, ngoba, kimi, izwakala kahle njengomuntu owaqeqeshwa njengengcweti kuqala. Ngakho ngiyayiqonda inqubo ye-arthem kanye nenqubo yokudweba. Futhi engikuthanda kakhulu nge-landscape yikhono layo kanye nekhwalithi yayo engokwemvelo yokushintsha njalo.

Ngakho-ke nakuba iyisisekelo futhi iqinile, iphinde ibe yinto eshintsha njalo futhi ivumelane namathonya ahlukahlukene amukelwayo. Futhi sinethuba lokusebenzisana ne-landscape njengekhampasi ephilayo futhi sisize ukuyiqopha ngendlela enempilo futhi ezoletha ukubuyiselwa esikhundleni sokwehla. Uyazi, okwamanje, uyazi, isimo sezwe sihlala sishintshwa.

Kodwa okwamanje, kungakhathaliseki ukuthi kuwuhlobo oluthile lwengozi noma ngamabomu, okokufaka okuningi kanye nethonya elikhulu esinalo ku-landscape likushintsha ngendlela yokuthi, uyazi, lokho okungalungile, lolo hlobo lwezimbangela. ukwehla kwe-ecosystem noma, uyazi, lolo hlobo lokudlwengula indawo. Kodwa sinalo leli thuba lokukushintsha ngokuphelele lokho futhi sikuqophe futhi sidale, njengoba usho, indwangu ephilayo, into enhle kakhulu futhi ekhulisayo futhi ekhulayo futhi esingasiza ngayo abaphathi. Ngakho sinaleli thuba lokuba ngabaphathi bomhlaba kunokuba sibe ngabahlukumezi abakhulu bawo.

[00:23:26] UJackie De Burca: Ngakho-ke enye yezingcaphuno oyisebenzisayo encwadini, u-Albert Einstein, isidalwa esingumuntu, iyingxenye yayo yonke ebizwa yithi indawo yonke. Leyo ingxenye encane nje yengcaphuno oyifakile ebuyela emuva kulokho ebesikhuluma ngakho, empeleni, esizizwa sihlukile emvelweni.

Ubona kanjani ukuthi singadlula kulokho? Ngisho ukuthi, ngokwemibandela, oke wakhuluma ngayo, njengokuhamba nokuhamba ngebhayisikili, akhona yini amanye amathiphu ongaba nawo ongaba nawo kubabukeli nabalaleli ukuthi bangasondela kanjani ngokushesha noma ngokushesha emvelweni?

[00:24:04] U-Alexandra Steed: Awu, umbuzo omuhle lowo.

I know it’s so difficult for so many of us. You know, living in London, I often didn’t even have a garden, maybe not even a patio or a deck. And I know there’s many, many people around the world that are disconnected from the land, disconnected from the soil, and it can be really, really tough. And so, I mean, I’m currently in Vancouver. I think at the moment you can see all these leaves behind me. In a city like Vancouver, it’s much easier to connect to nature because you go outside and a few minutes away, there’s probably a stream corridor to walk along. And there’s the opportunity to just kind of absorb the beauty of the forests around you or looking out at the sea and feeling the liberation of that. But in a city, I would suggest just finding those moments. I found that because I walked most places when I’m in London, that gives me the opportunity to connect with the land more. So I would choose routes, for example, that go through the squares, that go through the greener streets, that possibly go along the canal or by the river. I’m making these choices about how we travel, actually, is a wonderful way to connect with nature. Another way, I would say is even if you don’t have a garden, just putting a few plants on your windowsill and watching them grow and sort of tending to them, that in itself really helps you kind of connect back to nature. Often I’ll have a plant sitting on my desk, and throughout the day, I love having an orchid on my desk, for example. So I’ll just kind of gaze into the flower, into the blossom itself when it’s in blossom, and find that those moments that I have just to connect back just even to that one flower, really helped to ground me and to kind of bring me back to what is important and.

Nokubona ukuxhumana kwami ​​nezinye izinhlobo zempilo nokunye ukuphila. Ngakho-ke, uyazi, kungaba yilezo zikhathi esizithathayo ukuze sigxile kwezinye izinhlobo zempilo. Ngakho-ke, uyazi, uma unenja, lokho kungaba indlela emangalisayo yokuxhuma. Noma ikati. Izilwane zivame ukusisiza ngempela ukuthi sixhumane nathi futhi sixhumane nezinye izinto. Ngakho-ke ngingathi, uma ungakwazi ingadi, lokho kuyinto enhle ukuyenza. Ukufaka izandla zakho emhlabathini nokubona ukunotha okukhona nempilo engaphakathi enhlabathini ngokwayo nakho kungaba kuhle.

Ngakho ziningi izinto ezincane esingakwazi ukuzenza. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi uma uqala kancane, bese ngethemba, ngokuhamba kwesikhathi, ungakha lokho kuxhumana.

[00:26:56] UJackie De Burca: Yebo, kunezeluleko ezinhle ngempela, futhi yilokho konke ukukuhlukanisa kube yiziqalo ezincane, ezincane ezingafezeka kungakhathaliseki ukuthi uhlala kuphi. Ngakho lokho, uyazi, lokho kusobala kakhulu, kuwusizo kakhulu. Uyasebenzisa isifaniso encwadini yakho mayelana nesistimu yokubuka yomuntu, engayithola ithakazelisa. Ungakwazi ukwenaba ngalokhu?

[00:27:17] U-Alexandra Steed: Yebo, kulungile. Ngiyakhohlwa manje ukuthi ngisisebenzisa kanjani leso sifaniso, kodwa, niyazi, nginezincwadi eziningi eshalofini lami lezincwadi, ezinye engingazifundi njalo kwezinye. Ngakho-ke njalo ngesikhashana, ngizo, ngizokhipha okuthile eshalofini bese ngicabanga, oh, wow, uyazi, le ncwadi ayisho lutho, njengomkhakha wami wokuzama, kepha nokho kwesinye isikhathi uvele uvele nje. bamba lawa magugu abalulekile, akunjalo? Ngakho kwakukhona incwadi enganginayo eshalofini lami. Ngicabanga ukuthi bekuyidizayini enhle kaStephen Hawking, futhi kuyo, ukhuluma ngemibono yethu ebonwayo kanye nokuthi empeleni ingakanani mayelana nesibukeli sethu, njengoba ikhuluma ngalokho esikubonayo. Izimo zemvelo ezisizungezile emhlabeni, ngisho nesenzo sokubona. Ngakho-ke sinazo zonke lezi zimo ezibukwayo ezisihlaselayo. Hhayi nje ezibukwayo, kodwa zonke izinhlobo zezinzwa ezithinta imizwa yethu ngaso sonke isikhathi. Futhi ngandlela thize kufanele sikuhlunge lokho ngamehlo ethu. Futhi empeleni kukhona indawo, ngicabanga ukuthi yilapho inzwa ye-optic ijoyina i-retina. Ngakho lapho sibuka umhlaba osizungezile, empeleni kunembobo enkulu kuleyo phuzu lapho inzwa ye-optic ihlangana ne-retina. Futhi ngakho-ke ingqondo yethu kufanele isebenze ukuze igcwalise zonke lezo zikhala. Futhi ikwenza lokho ngokuba nohlobo oluthile lwezakhiwo ezilula nezilula ukuze ikwazi ukudlula emikhawulweni yedatha kanye nenqubo ende kakhulu yokuthi sikwazi ukuqonda umhlaba osizungezile. Ngakho, noma kunjalo, lokhu kusibangele. Lesi isibonelo esisodwa sendlela ingqondo yethu egcwalisa ngayo izikhala futhi izame ukwenza into ibe lula ngempela eyinkimbinkimbi kakhulu. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lesi ngesinye sezizathu zokuthi lokhu kwakheka okumbaxambili kwabantu kuqhathaniswa nemvelo kulula kakhulu ngathi ukuthi sikubambe, ngoba kwenza into eyinkimbinkimbi kakhulu. Imvelo iyinkimbinkimbi kakhulu. Kuphelele. Hhayi, hhayi ngokuphelele, kepha kuyinto engaziwa.

Akwaziwa kithi. Asisoze saqonda yonke into ngemvelo. Ngakho-ke sibeka lezi zakhiwo endaweni ezisisiza ukuthi siqonde futhi sihlunge lolu lwazi. Ngicabanga ukuthi leso ngesinye sezizathu esenze sagcina sikulesi simo. Ngakho-ke manje kufanele sengeze ubunkimbinkimbi ukuze siqonde ukuthi, yebo, singabantu ngabanye, kodwa futhi siyingxenye yakho konke. Ngakho-ke kudingeka sibe nalokhu kuqonda okuyinkimbinkimbi kakhulu ngendawo yethu emhlabeni.

[00:30:07] UJackie De Burca: Kumnandi. Manje, uma sibuyela ezigabeni zokuqala zencwadi yakho, ukhuluma ngokwandisa umbuthano wethu wozwelo. Kwenzekani lapho senza lokhu?

[00:30:19] U-Alexandra Steed: Hhayi-ke, lowo umugqa engiwuthole esicaphunweni sika-Einstein osikhulume ngaphambili, futhi ngiwuthanda kakhulu. Lapho ngifunda leso sicaphuno esivela ku-Einstein, ngacabanga, wow, niyazi, yonke into ayishoyo lapha, isho ukuthi kanjani.

Ukuthi abantu banokuduka kokwazi kanjani, ukuthi sihlukene nemvelo, nokuthi umsebenzi wethu kufanele kube ukwamukela yonke imvelo nobuhle bayo. Futhi, niyazi, uyakusho. Usho okungaphezu kwalokho. Kodwa ngithole ukuthi leyo ngcaphuno yayihlanganisa yonke into ebengilokhu ngicabanga ngayo mayelana nesimo sethu samanje, ukuthi ziyini izinselelo zethu zamanje, nokuthi singazinqoba kanjani ngokwamukela imvelo. Ngakho-ke kukhona abanye abantu abaningi abakhuluma ngemibono efanayo, u-Aldo Leopold engomunye wabo. Nomaphi lapho ngikhona.

Hhayi-ke, ungomunye wabalondolozi bemvelo abaziwa kakhulu, ungowaseMelika futhi wayehlala emakhulwini ayi-19. Futhi waqhamuka nalo mbono we-ecocentrism. Ngakho-ke lokho kuyasuka ekugxileni nje kubantu, okungaba i-anthropocentrism, futhi esikhundleni salokho sibheke umbono womhlaba ophelele kakhulu futhi odidiyelwe, okungu-ecocentrism. Ngakho-ke ukugcizelela ukubaluleka kwabantu kuphela nokugcizelela ukubaluleka kwazo zonke izidalwa eziphilayo nawo wonke umhlaba. Ngakho inhlabathi, amanzi, umoya, izitshalo, izilwane, zonke lezi zinto zibalulekile ekuphileni. Ngakho-ke yilapho ngempela ngicabanga ngokwamukela yonke imvelo, ikakhulukazi ngalolo shintsho lwengqondo futhi, lolo shintsho lwe-paradigm olusibona njengengxenye eyodwa ye-biosphere, yale webhu yempilo enkulu kakhulu, exhumene.

Futhi uma sesikwenzile lokho, khona-ke singakwamukela kalula kakhulu, bese singakumukeli emiqondweni yethu kuphela, kodwa nangezenzo zethu. Kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele ngempela kuqale engqondweni kuqala bese kubonakaliswa ngokomzimba ngezenzo zethu.

[00:32:53] UJackie De Burca: Kumnandi. Manje, ekugcineni, kulesi siqephu sesethulo, ngoba sineziqephu ezimbalwa ezizayo encwadini yakho, ngoba ikufanele, iyini isimilo somhlaba?

[00:33:04] U-Alexandra Steed: Ah, kulungile. Awu, umbuzo omuhle kakhulu, ngoba leyo yinto u-Aldo Leopold ayibeke phambili. Ngakho wayesebenze yonke le minyaka engumlondolozi wemvelo, futhi wathola kuwo wonke umsebenzi wakhe ukuthi empeleni kushintsha ukuqonda kwabantu nendlela yokucabanga okuyoba nomthelela noshintsho olubaluleke kakhulu.

Ngakho-ke wabhala lesi simiso sokuziphatha somhlaba esisho okuthile ngendlela, uyazi, sinezimiso zokuziphatha mayelana nendlela abantu abaxhumana ngayo. Sinezimiso zokuziphatha mayelana nendlela abantu abahlobana ngayo nomphakathi wabantu ababazungezile. Kodwa esingenakho wukuziphatha mayelana nendlela thina njengabantu esisebenzisana ngayo nemvelo nomhlaba. Futhi ngakho lokho kushoda. Ngakho-ke sinezinto ezifana nemithetho eyishumi, umthetho wegolide, osisiza ukusiqondisa futhi usinikeze ikhampasi yokuziphatha ngendlela esiziphatha ngayo emhlabeni, kodwa asinalutho olusisiza ukuba silawule ukuziphatha kwethu ezweni. Futhi ngakho-ke izimiso zezwe lakhe azifake encwadini ayibhala ebizwa ngokuthi i-Asand County Almanac, ibeka ukuthi kufanele samukele kanjani ngempela lesi simiso sokuziphatha somhlaba ukuze sisize ukuqondisa isifundo esisha nokuqonda ukuthi sonke singabahlali kule planethi. Akuzona nje izakhamuzi ezingabantu. Sonke singabahlali, sonke siyizakhamuzi zemvelo kulo mhlaba, futhi kufanele sivikele futhi silawule ukuziphatha kwethu ukuze sivikele yonke imvelo. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kuyisici esibalulekile esikhona mayelana nokufunda ukulawula indlela esiziphatha ngayo nendlela esisebenzelana ngayo nendlela esihlala ngayo kulo mhlaba. Futhi kuze kube yilapho sesikwazi ukwenza kanjalo, sizogcina uhlobo lomonakalo kwezinye izinhlobo zokuphila.

[00:35:17] UJackie De Burca: Lokho kuyiphuzu elicindezela kancane kodwa eliyiqiniso kakhulu lapho singaqeda khona lesi siqephu. Ngokusobala ubheke ngabomvu iziqephu ezizayo lapho wazi khona, uzobe ubeka okuningi kwe-nitty gritty yokuthi singazikhipha kanjani obishini.

Futhi kuyathakazelisa kakhulu, uyazi, uma abantu bebheka, njengoba sizoxoxa esiqeshini esizayo, lapho abantu bebheka umlando wohlanga lwesintu, empeleni mncane kakhulu uma sibheka sisonke futhi yilokho esizoba yikho. ukukhuluma ngesiqephu esilandelayo. Alexandra, kube yintokozo enkulu ukuba nawe.

[00:35:51] U-Alexandra Steed: O, ngiyabonga kakhulu, Jackie. kubona mina.

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