S3, E21: Ubunjalo Bamadolobha Ethu noDkt Nadina Galle, Ingxenye 4

Okulotshiweyo okukhiqizwe ngedijithali (kungase kuhlanganise amaphutha athile)

Sawubona noma ntambama, kuye ngokuthi ulalele ngasiphi isikhathi sosuku. Lena indawo ka-Jackie de Burca Amazwi Akhayo, futhi ngisekurekhodweni kwami ​​kokugcina nombhali omangalisayo. Futhi unezinye eziningi nezinye izigqoko eziningi azigqoka futhi. Nadine Galle, obhale le ncwadi emangalisayo ngempela efinyeleleka kubo bonke abantu. Futhi manje sisenngxoxweni yethu yokugcina, esibheka ngempela ukuthi imvelo ingaba nomthelela kanjani empilweni yethu ngendlela eyakhayo.

Futhi sizongena kumasu amayelana nokuchayeka kwemvelo kanye nezinqubo ezingcono kakhulu nokunye. UNadina, kulabo abangalalelanga ezinye iziqephu, kusobala ukuthi sizobashaya kancane labo bantu sithi buyela emuva ulalele isiqephu sokuqala ngoba uNadina wenza isingeniso esimangalisayo ngawo wonke umsebenzi wakhe. Kodwa kulabo, ngasizathu simbe, uma belalele lesi siqephu kuphela, ngicela unikeze isingeniso esifushane ngawe?

[00:01:11] UDkt Nadina Galle: Nakanjani. Futhi ngiyabonga, Jackie, ngokuba nami futhi. Futhi sanibonani nonke. Igama lami nginguDkt Nadina Galle. Ngingunjiniyela wemvelo wase-Dutch Canadian. Ngiyi-National Geographic Explorer yango-2024, futhi kamuva nje ngingumbhali we-Nature of Our Cities. Singawasebenzisa Kanjani Amandla Omhlaba Wemvelo Ukuze Sisinde Iplanethi Eshintshayo.

[00:01:33] UJackie De Burca: Kuhle kakhulu. Ngakho-ke sizogxumela phakathi. Kungani imvelo ibalulekile empilweni yomuntu? Nadina, ngiyazi ukuthi lowo ngumbuzo omkhulu, kodwa ngihlekise futhi ungiphendule ngokusemandleni akho, ngiyacela.

[00:01:44] UDkt Nadina Galle: Yebo, umbuzo omkhulu ngempela. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi ngizoqala ngeyodwa yezinzuzo engicabanga ukuthi abantu abaningi bangahlobene nazo. Futhi lokho kuyinzuzo nje yethu Impilo yengqondo. Kulungile. Ukuchayeka kokuthi green izindawo ngokuphawulekayo zinganciphisa ukucindezeleka, ukukhathazeka, ukucindezeleka. Imvelo inalo mphumela wokupholisa ngempela nokubuyisela esimweni, engicabanga ukuthi ungathuthuka noma cha. Ngicabanga ukuthi ucwaningo lubonisa ukuthi singathuthukisa isimo sethu sengqondo kanye nomsebenzi wethu wokuqonda, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi ngokuvamile kusiza abantu bazizwe bekhululekile futhi begxilile. Impilo yengqondo yinto eyodwa. Kukhona nempilo yethu engokomzimba. Ngithi imvelo ikhuthaza ngempela ukuvivinya umzimba, kungaba ukuhamba ngezinyawo noma ngebhayisikili noma ukudlala ngaphandle nje. Nethezeka, uphumule ngaphandle, bathi. Ucwaningo lusibonise ukuthi ukufinyelela njalo emapaki nezinongo eziluhlaza, uyazi, kunciphisa ubungozi bezinto ezifana nesifo esingamahlalakhona, ukukhuluphala, isifo senhliziyo, isifo sikashukela.

Lokho ngokwakho bekubaluleke ngempela.

Kodwa kukhona nalezi ezinye izinto okungenzeka singacabangi ngazo noma sizibone, futhi lezo yizinto ezinjalo ikhwalithi yomoya. Ukuba nezihlahla nezitshalo kungahluza ukungcola, kuthuthukise izinga lomoya, futhi ngaleyo ndlela kuthuthukise nezindaba zethu zokuphefumula. Futhi konke lokho kuhambisana nalokho. Ilawula amazinga okushisa, ngakho igcina amadolobha ethu epholile ehlobo. Iphinde igcine amadolobha ethu efudumele ebusika, okuyinto ethokozisayo. Isebenza njenge-buffer ngezindlela zombili.

Kunengxenye enkulu yokuxhumana nabantu, engicabanga ukuthi ihambisana nempilo yengqondo. Kepha lo mbono wokuthi izindawo eziluhlaza namapaki empeleni zinikeza izindawo zokuxhumana nomphakathi, okubaluleke kakhulu osukwini nesikhathi lapho sibhekene nokuhlukaniswa nomphakathi kanye nesizungu esiphuma kulolu bhubhane, bekuyinto enkulu leyo. Futhi enkathini lapho abantu beya beba mbalwa abaya emasontweni noma ezindaweni zokholo, izindawo zemvelo namapaki aluhlaza empeleni kungenye yezindawo ezimbalwa esinazo zokuba nalezi zindawo ezihlanganyelwe lapho singahlangana khona futhi sikhuthaze ukuxhumana nomphakathi.

Futhi ngingasho okokugcina, ukuze nje ngibuyele kulelo phuzu lokuqala, yebo, kubalulekile empilweni yengqondo. Kodwa nakakhulu kunalokho, ngicabanga ukuthi imvelo nezindawo eziluhlaza emadolobheni ethu, zinikeza lokhu kuphunyuka kokubuyisela emsindweni nezinxushunxushu nezingcindezi zokuphila zasemadolobheni. Futhi lokho kungaba yizingcindezi eziningi zomzimba, akunjalo? Ithrafikhi, inkulu izakhiwo, itiyela eliningi, imisindo ephezulu. Kodwa kungase futhi kube ukucindezeleka kwakho, akunjalo? Imisebenzi ematasa, ama-ajenda amatasatasa, uyazi, abazali nezingane ezicindezelekile, kanye nama-ajenda ahleliwe, niyazi, zonke lezi zinto ngaphandle kokuba thina siziqaphele ngempela ngezinye izikhathi, zingaba nomthelela omkhulu kithi. Futhi ukuba semvelweni, ngisho noma lokho kusho ukuthatha ingxenye yohambo lwakho emhubheni eluhlaza, ukugibela ibhayisikili emgwaqweni olayini wesihlahla, noma uyazi, ukuthatha ikhefu lakho lesidlo sasemini epaki, zonke lezo zinto zingaba nomthelela omkhulu empilweni yethu. . Futhi ngezinye izikhathi kuzwakala kunzima ukukusho, uyazi, ngingangena ekucaciseni ngakunye kwalokhu futhi ngikunike izibalo nezibalo zokuthi kungani ngayinye isiza, uyazi, ukusiza izingane zingakhuli i-myopia, kusukela ekuqinisekiseni ukuthi ivithamini D eyanele, kusukela ekuqinisekiseni ukuthi sithola umsebenzi okwanele womzimba. Kodwa kucishe kube nomuzwa wokunciphisa ukunciphisa izinzuzo zemvelo kulolu hlobo lwamalensi esayensi ngempela. Ngoba ekugcineni ngikholelwa ukuthi sivela emvelweni, savela emvelweni. Kuyingxenye yalokho okusenza abantu. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi noma ubani angahambisana nalo mbono wokuthi uma uchitha ingxenye enkulu yosuku lwakho ngaphakathi, awuzange uzizwe kahle, uma uqhathanisa nalapho uchitha isikhathi esiningi ungaphandle nasemvelweni, uzizwa ungcono ngokuzenzekelayo. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi leyo yinto wonke umuntu angaxhumana nayo. Futhi ekugcineni, ngikholwa ukuthi sizimisele ukuthanda imvelo futhi sifuna ukuba semvelweni.

[00:05:38] UJackie De Burca: Ngivumelana nawe ngenhliziyo yonke.

Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi, uyazi, enye yezinto ezibalulekile ukuthi thina, esikhuluma ngayo ukuthi ukhulume ngabantwana emvelweni, kulungile, Ngokuhle kwabo ngokomzimba, ngokomzimba, ukugwema, niyazi, izifo ezibangelwa ukuntula. uvithamini D nokunye. Kodwa-ke, ngesikhathi esithile encwadini yakho, uyasho ukuthi ngesikhathi sokubhala, ukhulelwe uLuca. Futhi-ke kukhona, niyazi, okuthintayo, ngicabanga, izinto eziningi, hhayi nje zabesifazane, impela, amadoda nawo acabanga ngalezizinto. Ngizoletha umntwana emhlabeni njengoba unjalo? Uyazi, lolu uhlobo lwemibuzo ngokusobala abanye abantu ababa nayo. Futhi kukhona, uyazi, mhlawumbe ezinye izizathu ezizwakalayo zalokho. Lokhu bekuyinqubo kuwe, ngiyacabanga. Adina.

[00:06:28] UDkt Nadina Galle: Yebo, kunzima ngempela. Ingxoxo engizwa okuningi eduze kwami. Lokhu kwesaba okumnyama kakhulu kanye nokungabi nethemba ngekusasa, lokhu kwesaba isimo sezulu, kwe ukushintsha kwesimo sezulu, yemiphumela yako, kanye nalomuzwa ojwayelekile walokhu akulona izwe engifuna ukuletha kulo izingane. Futhi lokho nje. Ngiqonde ukuthi, ngiba nomuzwa wokuthi ngicabanga ngalokho ngoba ngikholelwa ukuthi sibekwe kulo mhlaba ukuze silethe ukuphila okwengeziwe kulo mhlaba. Futhi ngikholwa ukuthi leyo yinhloso yethu ekugcineni kosuku. Futhi kungakhathaliseki ukuthi kwenzeka luphi uhlobo, ngokusobala akuwona wonke umuntu okufanele abe nezakhe izingane uma lokho kungeyona into ayifisayo. Kodwa, niyazi, ukuletha izingane emhlabeni, kungaba abashana noma abashana noma izingane zokutholwa noma izingane zokutholwa, kuyindlela yokuthi nathi sibe nesandla ekusaseni leplanethi yethu, ikusasa lomhlaba esizolishiya ngemuva. kulabo bantwana. Futhi kunjalo, kubuhlungu kakhulu kimi ukuthi baningi abantu emhlabeni abanomuzwa wokuthi lokho akusafanele ukwenziwa. Ngoba ngizwa sengathi uma wena, uma unquma lokho, kusho nokuthi usuyilahlile impilo yakho kokunye, kokunye, ngandlela thize noma enye. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi iqiniso elivivinya umphakathi omuhle yilabo abatshala izihlahla futhi batshale izindawo zemvelo bazi ukuthi azisoze zahlala ngaphansi komthunzi waleso sihlahla. Eqinisweni, lokho yisaga esidala leso engisicaphuna encwadini futhi.

Ngikholelwa ukuthi ukuba semvelweni, kunokuba ngigxile nje ekubhubhiseni nasebumnyameni bokuguquguquka kwesimo sezulu, ngikholelwa ukuthi ukugxila emvelweni empeleni kunikeza lo muzwa omkhulu wokuchichima, lo muzwa wokuthi kuhlale kunokuningi nokuthi kunokuningi kwawo wonke umuntu nokuthi kunokuningi. lapho lokho kwavela khona, kuningi esingakudala. Futhi ngiyathanda ukucabanga ngalowo muzwa wenala kunalomuzwa wokwesaba. Nokuhlazeka nokukhomba abantu abenza izinto ngendlela engafanele.

Ngikujabulela kakhulu, uyazi, ukubhala nokusebenza kulesi sihloko imvelo yasemadolobheni ngoba ngikholwa ukuthi leso yisimo esinaso ezimpilweni zethu zansuku zonke esibucayi kakhulu, kodwa futhi sisebenza kule ndawo yenala kunalomuzwa wayo. Yehlazo necala.

[00:08:44] UJackie De Burca: Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kuphushwe kahle kakhulu. Futhi elinye igama elizofika engqondweni yami mayelana, niyazi, abantu nemvelo, niyazi, izingane ziboniswa othisha bazo, niyazi, lokho kungaba othisha babo esikoleni, okungenzeka kube othisha babo esikoleni. umndeni kanye, uyazi, abangani, omakhelwane, ukuthi singabambisana kanjani nemvelo. Ukusebenzisana igama elifikayo emqondweni ngoba esiqeshini esidlule, unikeze ezinye zezibonelo ezimangalisayo zencwadi yakho, izibonelo zokuthandwa kweminenke kanye, uyazi, amagwababa nokunye.

Imvelo ngokwayo isebenzisana nayo ngokwayo. Uhlobo oluthile lushintsha umbala walo ngoba ludinga. Uhlobo lushintsha izingcingo zalo ngoba nalo ludinga, ngenxa yedolobha imvelo ehlala kuyo. Ngakho-ke, uma abantu besebenzisana nemvelo, konke okubonayo ngenxa yomsebenzi wakho omuhle kungenzeka. Futhi ngakho-ke, niyazi, hhayi ukuthi asikho isidingo senhlekelele nesigayegaye, kodwa empeleni, lokho kungaqedwa futhi, niyazi, kubekwe phansi ngokuqhubekayo ngokusebenzisana nje nemvelo nokukhuthaza lokho ngokushesha.

[00:09:58] UDkt Nadina Galle: Yebo, yebo. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi senzile. Senzile.

Sesikukhohlwe lokho. Sesilahlekelwe umbono wokuthi imvelo ingumhleli wethu omkhulu. Sesilahlekelwe umbono wokuthi imvelo, ngisho ukuthi, sisanda kubhala ezinye ekuqaleni ekuqaleni kwalesi siqephu, kodwa imvelo idlala indima kuzo zonke izici zokuphila kwethu. Ngicabanga ukuthi ungabeka leyo mpikiswano ngokweqiniso. Futhi noma lokho ku-, uyazi, izinsiza thina. Ukuthi sidinga ukwakha okwethu amakhaya futhi sakhe amahhovisi ethu, noma ngabe lokho kusezingeni lawo lomoya esiwuphefumulayo nesithembele kulo nsuku zonke, izinga lamanzi ethu, izindawo esiya kuzo ukuze sidale kabusha izinhlelo zokudla zisekelwe ngokuphelele ebhalansi enempilo yethu imvelo ngemvelo. Ngakho kukhona. Kuningi ukuxhumana okuhlukene. Futhi ekugcineni, ngicabanga ukuthi ukuvuselela lokho kuxhumana nemvelo kubaluleke kakhulu ekudaleni abantu abajabule nabanempilo enhle abahlala emhlabeni ojabulayo futhi onempilo.

[00:10:56] U-Jackie De Burca: 100%. 100% ngivumelana nawe, Nadina. Ngakho-ke ukuqhubekela phambili ku-ecotherapy, okuwukuthi, uyazi, utshelwe. Wakhuluma nangamanye amagama. Iyini ngempela futhi yimaphi amanye amagama esingawazi ngawo?

[00:11:12] UDkt Nadina Galle: Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi ezinye ezivame kakhulu cishe yizinto ezinjengokwelashwa kwehlathi. Ukugeza ehlathini kungenye. Ingenye evamile, ephuma egameni lesiJapane elithi shinrin yoku, okusho ukuthi ukugeza ehlathini ngokwezwi nezwi.

Futhi iJapan empeleni ibihamba phambili kulokhu okuningi ngoba yabona, uyazi, inguquko yezimboni esheshayo, uyazi, ngokushesha. ukufudukela emadolobheni, imisebenzi eminingi yokungawuvivinyi, uyazi, eyayihluke kakhulu kunaleyo yaseJapane eyayiyijwayele ngaphambili. Babone ukukhuphuka okukhulu kwezinkinga zempilo yengqondo nezinto ezifana nengcindezi nokukhathazeka, izinto, owaziyo, sonke esingahlobana nazo. Futhi babona izinzuzo ezinkulu zokuba abantu bengaphandle kwemvelo. Futhi-ke, uyazi, abadala baseJapan babefana, yebo, yebo, kulapho sivela khona. Impela uzozizwa ungcono futhi uvuseleleke ngokwengeziwe lapho ukhona. Kepha uhulumeni wabona amandla amakhulu kulokho futhi empeleni watshala imali enkulu ukuze adale, uyazi, ukuze umuntu aqinisekise, uyazi, iziqondiso zokugeza zasehlathini okufanele zithathwe, niyazi, ngisho nabaningi, njengabo, abashisekeli basedolobheni abaqine kunawo wonke baphumele emvelweni. , ungene emahlathini futhi uwasize uhlobo lokuxhuma kabusha nomhlaba wemvelo ukuze ngethemba ukusiza ngezinye zezinto, kungakhathaliseki ukuthi izinkinga zempilo yengqondo ezimbi kakhulu noma uhlobo nje lomuzwa ovamile wokugula ebesikhuluma ngakho ngaphambili.

Futhi batshale imali eningi kahulumeni, hhayi baze baqeqeshe labo bafana, kodwa futhi benza amapaki angenalutho lapho abantu, ungakwazi ukugawula ngokoqobo, ungafaki zicathulo ehlathini, lezi zindlela ezinhle zokuhamba izintaba ongazilandela, ngoba bakubona lokho, uyazi. , ukuchitha isikhathi emahlathini, kunciphisa amazinga e-cortisol, kunciphisa ukukhathazeka. Kukhona ngisho nezifundo ezikhombisa ukuthi empeleni kwandisa okuthile okubizwa ngama-natural killer cell, abaluleke kakhulu emizimbeni yethu ukulwa nezinto ezinjengomdlavuza. Uyazi, asinazo lezi zinguquko zemizwa kuphela, kodwa izinguquko zomzimba ezenzeka kithi uma siseduze nezihlahla emahlathini. Kunjalo, kunjalo.

[00:13:15] UJackie De Burca: Kuyinto ngempela ukuthi into esobala engokwemvelo ebulala amaseli. Uyazi, ngicabanga ukuthi lokho ngokwakho kwanele.

Ulwazi olwanele kimi, uyazi, ukuthi ngiguqulwe, uma bengingakaguqulwa. Kwanele, akunjalo? Uyazi, uma ucabanga ngazo zonke izifo ezimbi ongase ukwazi, uyazi, uzivikele ngokuba namangqamuzana abulalayo emvelo amaningi, kuyamangalisa.

Nadina, sitshele ngalezo ziqondiso zokwelashwa kwehlathi ezaqeqeshwa e-Chico State.

[00:13:49] UDkt Nadina Galle: Yebo, ngakho lelo bekuyicala elithakazelisa ngempela cwaningo ngoba iChico State noma iCalifornia University nayo iyaziwa kakhulu. Ihlala esifundeni saseChico, futhi iChico iseduze nekhona ukusuka ePharadesi. Ngakho lapho omunye ebhubhisa kakhulu iziqhumane kwenzeka emlandweni wase-US, futhi ihlezi i-Dab phakathi nendawo yomlilo wequbula, izwe. Futhi lokhu kube ngempela, ngempela.

Ngisho, ngenxa yokuntuleka kwegama elingcono, elithakazelisayo. Ngoba lokho onakho kukhona, unalo mphakathi, lezi zihlwele zabantu abahlukumezeke kakhulu ngalokho obekumele babhekane nakho. Imililo yequbula ehlasele izwe labo, impahla yabo, amakhaya abo, futhi ezimweni ezimbi kakhulu, abathandekayo babo. Futhi kusanda kuba yinhlekelele futhi kuhlukumeza kakhulu. Eziningi zalezi, zihlobene, empeleni abasinde emlilweni wequbula. Banamazinga e-PTSD emazingeni afanayo ongase uwalindele kumakadebona afika ekhaya evela empini. Uyazi, lokhu kuyahlukumeza kakhulu. Futhi into eyinqaba kakhulu ukuthi into ebangele lo mlilo wequbula, imvelo ngokwayo, akunjalo? Mhlawumbe inhlansi ayizange idalwe yimvelo, kodwa ukwakheka kwezimila okuningi, niyazi, kubangela ulaka lwazo, ukuthi kwaba yinhlekelele kangakanani, lokho. Leyo mvelo ngokwayo, uhlobo lwe. Umsunguli walo mlilo wequbula, ngethemba ukuthi naye angaba yindawo yokwelapha nakulaba bantu. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kunjalo. Yilokho. Yilokho. Yini eyenza lokhu. Lezi. I ukuqeqeshwa yemihlahlandlela ye-ecotherapy e-Chico State iyathakazelisa kakhulu. Futhi ngathola ithuba lokukhuluma nomunye wabo othiwa uBlake Ellis. Futhi yena, kanye nabanye ochwepheshe bezempilo yengqondo abayi-14, baqeqeshelwa ukuba ngabaqondisi abaqinisekisiwe be-ecotherapy. Futhi inhloso bekuwukuhlinzeka induduzo kule miphakathi eyathintwa imililo yequbula. Futhi lapho uBlake engitshela ngesinye salezi zikhathi, wayethi okwakuthakazelisa kakhulu ukuthi ngokokuqala ngqá, abaningi babo bakwazi ukubona izihlahla nalezi zihlahla ezidiliziwe kanye nemfucumfucu eyayisele, hhayi njengalesi sikhumbuzo nophawu lokufa nokubola, kodwa empeleni njengethuba nethemba lekusasa. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi leyo yinto engokufana okuhle lokhu ngethemba lokuthi singabuyela kwezinye izici zempilo yethu futhi. Futhi enye yezinto uBlake azishilo ukuthi yanamathela kimi ukuthi, uyazi, uyayigcina. Wayelokhu ethi lapho engitshela ngalezi zinto, uyazi, nginguye. Ngimane ngingumhlahlandlela. Yihlathi elingumelaphi. Futhi lokho, ngicabanga, into ebaluleke kakhulu ekwelashweni kwemvelo kanye nokwelashwa kwehlathi ukubona ihlathi njengomelaphi njengoba linjalo, nokuthi laba bantu abangabaqondisi abaqinisekisiwe, bangabagqugquzeli abangakusiza ukuthi udlule. Futhi kukhona izivivinyo eziningi ezahlukene. Uyazi, ngezinye izikhathi umane uhlezi futhi uzindle endaweni yehlathi. Kwesinye isikhathi kubanga isihlahla ngokoqobo bese kuhlangana nezinye zalezi. Uyazi izinguquko zomzimba ezenzeka emzimbeni wakho. Kwesinye isikhathi kuthatha uhambo buthule, kwesinye isikhathi kuba neseshini yakho yokwelapha, kodwa uhamba ehlathini njengoba uyenza. Ngakho-ke kunezindlela eziningi ezihlukene zokugezwa kwehlathi kanye nokwelashwa kwamahlathi, kodwa inhloso ukuthi le ndawo, ihlathi, ihlinzeka ngempela izindlela zokuphulukisa okuningi.

[00:17:16] UJackie De Burca: Ngiyalithanda iqiniso, njengoba usho, Nadina, ukuthi ihlathi elingumelaphi. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kubalulekile, uyazi, hhayi kuphela kulabo abaye bayothola ukwelashwa, kodwa futhi nangomqondo wanoma yikuphi ukwelashwa nhlobo. Uyazi, futhi, i-ego yomuntu ukuthi, o, umlaphi wenza lokhu, lokhuya nokunye okunye noma ubani. Kodwa empeleni, ekupheleni kosuku, umelaphi ufana nomsele kuphela, uyazi, iyithuluzi. Lowo muntu uyithuluzi ekusizeni isimo sokuphulukisa. Ngakho-ke, ngibona ihlathi njengomelaphi, ngicabanga ukuthi ngokwalo nje ukuphulukisa, ngicabanga.

[00:17:54] UDkt Nadina Galle: Yebo. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele. Kubalulekile futhi ukukhumbuza abalaleli lapha, ukuthi sikhuluma ngokwelashwa kwamahlathi, sikhuluma nge-ecotherapy, kodwa akudingekile ukuba kube sehlathini. Yebo, lokho kungcono. Kodwa uBlake wayethanda nokungitshela le ndaba ngothisha wakhe owamfundisa ukuba umhlahlandlela. Uthanda ukuxoxa le ndaba ukuthi empeleni wenze iseshini eyimpumelelo, iseshini yokwelashwa ephoqelelwe, phakathi nendawo yokupaka inkatho ngaphansi komthunzi wesihlahla esisodwa. Ngakho-ke kungenzeka kakhulu ukwenza lokhu ngesihlahla esisodwa, ngisho naphakathi nendawo yokupaka, ungaba nalokhu kuxhumana nemvelo. Futhi ngicabanga, futhi, uhlobo lokubuyisela ukuthi kungani imvelo yasemadolobheni ibaluleke kangaka nokuthi kungani kufanele siqaphele ukuthi singayibhali imvelo yasemadolobheni njengokungacaphuni, ukungacaphuni, imvelo yangempela noma imvelo esebenzayo yalezi zinhlobo zezinto. Eziningi zalezi zikhathi zingabamba iqhaza ezindaweni zokupaka ezinezihlahla ezingazodwa, uma uphoqelekile ngempela. Kodwa uma kungenjalo, amagceke, amapaki asemadolobheni, izingadi ezenziwe ngomumo, uyazi, lapho, inqobo nje uma kuluhlobo oluthile lwesilungiselelo semvelo, ungaqala ukuzwa eziningi zalezi zinzuzo, uyazi, futhi uma unokufinyelela ehlathini elihle elidala lokukhula, ngokuqinisekile ubambe iseshini yakho lapho. Kodwa noma ngabe lokho kungenzeki, usengakwazi ukuzwa uhlobo olufanayo lomqondo wokuzibekela lezo ezinye izindawo ezikwazi ukukunikeza.

[00:19:12] UJackie De Burca: Ngakho-ke, yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kuyiseluleko esihle ngokusobala. Uyazi, uma sibuka nje, khipha igama elithi ihlathi, imvelo kuphela engumelaphi. Futhi noma yikuphi lapho singathola khona lokho, niyazi, iNgconyana yemvelo. Uma kukuncane nje, kulungile futhi. Ngakho ngicabanga ukuthi iseluleko esihle kakhulu leso.

Unezifundo eziyisibonelo ezithakaselayo ozivezile kule ngxenye yencwadi. Ungakwazi ukukhuluma nathi ngezinye zalezo, Nadina?

[00:19:40] UDkt Nadina Galle: Yebo, akhona.

Baningi impela. Futhi enye yezintandokazi zami yilo mbono wokuthi izihlahla, ngokusebenzisa lolu hlobo oluthile lobuchwepheshe olubizwa ngokuthi umsindo we-geolocated, zingakhuluma nathi ngempela.

Kwakule phrojekthi yomqondisi wemidlalo yeshashalazi uPuk van Dijk enyakatho ye-Amsterdam. I-Amsterdam enyakatho yile ndawo ethuthuka ngokushesha engicabanga ukuthi amadolobha amaningi angemuva kwezimboni angahlobene nayo. Yindawo ebhekene nayo ngempela, uyazi, izinguquko ezidlangile, i-gentrification, ukusetshenziswa kwezidakamizwa, ukuxosha izibalo zabantu abathile, ukusunduza endaweni entsha yabantu, ukubhekana, ngokudabukisayo, ukugawulwa kwamahlathi amaningi ukuze kwenziwe okuningi kwalokhu kuthuthukiswa. Futhi u-Buch van Dyck wathuthela kule ndawo ngemva kokuba ekhule ezulazula, ehlala emhlabeni wonke. Futhi lapho esenengane yakhe, wayefuna ukuzinza. Futhi wabheka ukuzinza komakhelwane bakhe bezihlahla, ama-ginkgo, umlotha, ama-oki, ama-maple ahlanganyela nawo endaweni yakhe entsha. Wayekhuthazwa yibo ngempela futhi wayefuna ukuqonda omakhelwane bakhe ngokwengeziwe. Ngakho waqala ukuxoxa nabanye omakhelwane bakhe abangabantu futhi waqala ukubona ukufana okuningi, akunjalo? Wayekhuluma nomakhelwane omusha owayengumakhi womzimba osewathatha umhlalaphansi, futhi wayekhononda ngokuthi lo mgwaqo omkhulu owawunwetshiwe wawubangela ukuba isifuba somoya sakhe sibe sibi nakakhulu. Futhi wayebhekene nezinkinga eziningi. Futhi wayezibuza, wayengathi, kazi izihlahla ezitshalwe ngokulandelayo, lowo mgwaqo omkhulu ubhekene nezindaba ezifanayo. Ukhulume nomunye umakhelwane owakhala ngokuthi wayenesizungu, ikakhulukazi ngesikhathi sodlame nangemva kwalokho, nokuthi waphuthelwa yilezi zingxoxo nomakhelwane bakhe abaningi ngemuva kokushona kwabo. Futhi wabona lesi sihlahla phakathi kwesikwele esasisodwa. Futhi wayefana, ngiyazibuza ukuthi ngabe leso sihlahla sibhekana nesizungu ngendlela efanayo abantu abangase bakwazi ngayo. Indaba ende kafushane, udale lolu hambo lomsindo olujulile lwalezi zihlahla eziyisithupha ezikhulumayo. Wayibiza ngokuthi amaGiants of North. Futhi wakwazi ukusebenzisa eziningi zalezi zingxoxo ayezenze nomakhelwane abangabantu futhi ahumushe izindaba zabo kulezi zihlahla. Futhi empeleni wasebenzisa abalingisi bezwi bendawo, abalingisi abavela enyakatho ye-Amsterdam, ukuze bafake ukudala lezi zinhlamvu futhi bafake la mazwi alezi zihlahla. Futhi akusebenzanga njengokuvakasha komsindo okuvamile lapho kuzomele uskene khona ikhodi ye-QR njalo uma usendaweni entsha, ukwazi ukucindezela okuthi dlala, qhubeka nalokhu kuhamba. Futhi ama-gps, indawo yakho ye-GPS izokuqondisa kwesokudla noma kwesokunxele ngokusekelwe lapho ubukhona. Futhi ukube ubuseduze ngokwanele kwesinye sezihlahla, besizoqala ukukhuluma nawe. Futhi lokhu kwakusho isipiliyoni esinjalo ngoba, ngokwesibonelo, kulesi sihlahla esasibhekene nenqwaba yemithi. ukungcoliswa,nangempela waqala wakhwehlela ungakamboni. Wawuqala ukuzwa lokhu kukhwehlela, ujike ekhoneni nanso isihlahla eduze komgwaqo, sibhekene nalezi zinkinga. Futhi ngivele ngacabanga ukuthi kwakuyisibonelo esihle kakhulu, ngendlela yokudala ngempela, ukukhombisa abantu basemadolobheni usizi lwezihlahla zasemadolobheni nokuthi babhekene nani futhi ngesikhathi esifanayo banikeze abantu ukuthi, yebo, ngokuvamile abangeke babe nalolo hlobo. Lokho kusebenzisana, lokho kuxhumana nezihlahla ukuze ukwazi ukuhlobana nazo ngaphezulu. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi leyo yinto ebucayi kakhulu esike sayithinta esikhathini esidlule. Lapho ukwazi ukuqonda futhi uhlobane nento ethize, yilapho usukwazi khona ukuyinakekela futhi ekugcineni uyivikele futhi.

Futhi njengoba ngibhala encwadini, lolu hambo lube yimpumelelo kangangokuthi basebenzela ukulwenza lufakwe unomphela. Futhi empeleni, umhleli omkhulu wedolobha lase-Amsterdam uthathe uhambo olulalelwayo lwe-Giants of North njengokulalela okuphoqelekile kwawo wonke umuntu emnyangweni wakhe.

[00:23:30] UJackie De Burca: Indaba emnandi kangaka futhi angikaze ngibe. Angizange ngiye e-Amsterdam isikhathi eside kabi, kodwa empeleni, kungenza ngicabange ukuthi kufanele ngibuyele e-Amsterdam nakanjani ukuze ngizwe izihlahla zikhuluma.

[00:23:42] UDkt Nadina Galle: Ngeshwa, izihlahla zikhuluma isiDashi kuphela okwamanje, ngakho-ke kuzodingeka wenze kancane. Kodwa ngingathanda. Ngasho leyo ncwadi ngaso leso sikhathi. Bengithi, udinga ukuthola inguqulo ehunyushiwe yalokhu ngoba lokhu kuzoba njalo. Kuyafana nokuthi, ngikhulume nabatolika ukuze abantu ukuthi umsebenzi wabo, uyazi, noma basebenzela amapaki kazwelonke noma imnyuziyamu, umsebenzi wabo ukuhumusha, uyazi, ukusabalalisa ulwazi nolwazi emphakathini jikelele. Kungaba umlando, kungaba umlando wemvelo, zonke izinhlobo zezinto ezahlukene. Bengithi, lena yindlela enhle yokwenza ukuhumusha. Njengokuthi, iphindaphindeka kakhulu. Njengokuthi, ngingathanda ukubona into enjengale kuwo wonke amadolobha emhlabeni jikelele, njengokuthi, ngisho njengendawo eheha izivakashi. Ngicabanga ukuthi umqondo omuhle kakhulu.

[00:24:23] UJackie De Burca: Ngicabanga ukuthi umbono opholile ngempela. Ngisho, ngiyacabanga. Uma ngicabanga ngokuzwakalayo, ngempela, Nadina, ngicabanga ukuthi lezo zihlahla, njengedolobha langazalelwa kulo Dublin, uyazi, lezo zihlahla ezingasemseleni oseDublin. Impela abakwazi ukusho kuphela okuhlangenwe nakho kwabo kokushintsha, uyazi, uhlobo olushintshayo lwezinto ezibonwayo nezigcawu namavayibhu e-Dublin esikhathini esidlule, uyazi, amashumi eminyaka ambalwa noma yini. Ngakho-ke bangase baveze okufana, okwabo, niyazi, ngihlobene njengesihlahla, kodwa futhi banikeze, njengokuthi, izivakashi umlando omncane waleyo ndawo ngesikhathi esifanayo.

[00:24:56] UDkt Nadina Galle: O, yebo. Ngempela. Futhi lowo empeleni umbhalo ochazayo weziqhwaga zasenyakatho empeleni uqala, ngikholwa ukuthi uqala ngokuthi, o, izinto ezibonwe yimidondoshiya yethu. Ngoba uma ucabanga lezi zihlahla ezindala bese zikhuluma, uyazi, izithandani ezixabanayo, ukuphahlazeka phakathi kweVespa nebhayisikili ngehora lesithathu ekuseni, uyazi, ingane igibela, uyazi, zonke lezi zinto ezahlukene. umlando. Ngisho ukuthi, uma sinenhlanhla, sinezihlahla emadolobheni ethu, eziyizinduna zekhulu, ezingaphezu kweminyaka eyi-150, 200 ubudala. Ngiqonde ukuthi lezi zihlahla zazikhona singakazalwa futhi ngethemba ukuthi sizoba khona sekukudala sihambile.

[00:25:34] UJackie De Burca: Ngethemba. Ngethemba. Kepha umqondo omuhle kakhulu futhi ngethemba, njengoba usho, uzosakazeka kakhulu, uyazi, ngoba uhlakaniphe ngokuphelele.

Ukuya eMelbourne, Australia, kukhona ne-imeyili, umkhankaso wesihlahla. Kusebenza kanjani lokho?

[00:25:50] UDkt Nadina Galle: Yebo, sikhuluma ngamaphrojekthi aphindaphindeka kalula emadolobheni emhlabeni jikelele, kunomkhankaso obizwa nge-imeyili The Tree Campaign, kodwa akwenzekanga. Akuzange kuqale njengokuzwakalayo. Empeleni, kwaqala. Konke kwaqala ngo-Yvonne Lynch. Wayeyinhloko ye-Urban Forester kanye ne-Urban Forestry kanye I-Urban Ecology iqembu leDolobha laseMelbourne. Kanti into abeyithwala kanzima wukuthi zonke izinsuku ubethola ama-email, afonelwe, amiswe emgwaqeni, ozakwabo bamiswe emgwaqeni ukuze bathole ukuphendula imibuzo ngezihlahla ezindaweni ezihlala abantu. Kunjalo, kanje.

Lesi sihlahla sibukeka sigula. Uzoyibheka nini? Sizogawulwa nini lesi sihlahla? Uzowubheka nini umonakalo kulesi sihlahla? Lokhu, uyazi, ikhebula likagesi liza eduze kakhulu namagatsha alesi sihlahla. Yonke le, uyazi, imibuzo, ungaze uyibize ngezikhalo ngezinye izikhathi zazifika zingahambisani. Futhi owokuqala, niyazi, umbuzo owawuyohlala kufanele unikeze impendulo kuwo wawuthi, awu, yimuphi umuthi? Bese-ke belandela le ngxoxo ekhungathekisa ngendlela emangalisayo yokuthi, ingaphesheya kwaleli kheli, kodwa akusona leso sihlahla, yilesi sihlahla. Uyazi, isakhamuzi. Bangase bangazazi izinhlobo zesihlahla. Ngakho bazokwenza konke okusemandleni abo ukuyichaza. Uyazi, yilena enesiqu namaqabunga futhi, uyazi, bekuyisimo esicasulayo, esicasula kakhulu u-Yvonne neqembu lakhe.

Ngakho-ke akwenza wazama uhlelo lokuthola inombolo kamazisi yesihlahla ngasinye, ababevele benayo. Kodwa hlanganisa leyo nombolo ye-ID kuyo. Ekhelini le-imeyili kuleyo nombolo ye-ID, isihlahla ngasinye manje sase sinekheli le-imeyili elilodwa. Ukuze leyo nombolo kamazisi itholakale kumephu. Ungasondeza eduze, ungathola isihlahla, bese ubona ngokushesha ikheli le-imeyili, futhi ungathumela umbuzo wakho mayelana naleso sihlahla kulelo kheli le-imeyili elithile. Futhi lokho kwasebenza kahle njengethuluzi lokuphatha kwaze kwaba yilapho u-Yvonne eqala ukuqaphela okuthile okungajwayelekile, okwakuwukuthi wayengazitholi izikhalo nemibuzo ngokulungiswa kwesihlahla ebhokisini lakhe lemiyalezo engenayo, kodwa kunalokho wayethunyelelwa izincwadi zothando ezihlahleni.

Babethola zonke izinhlobo zamanothi ahlukene othando. Uyazi, izinto zithi, 10087898 othandekayo, Bengilokhu ngibuka amagatsha akho kanye namahlamvu akho efasiteleni lami. ngihlezi phansi komthunzi wakho. Uyazi, unginikeze induduzo ngezikhathi zomzabalazo wangempela empilweni yami. Yazi, uqobo, ujulile, uyazi, ukuvuma izono ngisho nangamandla nenduduzo abayithola kulezi zihlahla.

Niyazi, abanye kwakuwuhlobo oluxakile futhi oluhlekisayo, niyazi, bethi, niyazi, babethandana nalesi sihlahla, kodwa, niyazi, bathandana nalesi esinye isihlahla. Futhi lokhu kubhekwa njengokuphinga kwesihlahla? Uyazi, kwakunjalo. Yavele yagcwala indlela. Futhi ngesinye isikhathi, niyazi, ekuqaleni, sengathi, babephendula ngoba babecabanga ukuthi kwakuhlekisa ngempela, futhi babephendula sengathi bawumuthi. U-Yvonne nethimba lakhe. Kodwa ngesinye isikhathi, yavele yaphuma esandleni ngoba ayizange nje, niyazi, yangena igciwane phakathi kwaseMelbourne, kodwa yabe seyangena igciwane e-Australia, kwase kuba yigciwane emhlabeni wonke. Ngakho-ke bekunalawa makheli e-imeyili amiswe kwezinye izihlahla emadolobheni emhlabeni jikelele abethumela i-imeyili ezihlahleni zaseMelbourne, bethumela ama-imeyili abazala babo nabangane babo emhlabeni wonke. Futhi nje, njengokuthi, ngokuphelele, kuhlanya ngokuphelele. Futhi kwaba njalo nje. Naphezu, uyazi, ubungako bayo, kwakuyisibonelo esihle kangangokuthi, ngiyakholwa, kukhona lokhu, ngiyakholwa, uthando lwangaphakathi kanye nothando lwezihlahla esihlanganyela amadolobha ethu nazo.

Kodwa ayizange ibe nayo ngempela indlela yokuphuma kuze kube manje. Futhi engikuthanda kakhulu ngayo ukuthi iyaphindaphindeka futhi izoba nje. Kuyindlela enhle yokubonisa lolo thando nothando olukhona lwezihlahla. Futhi ngilokhu ngithi ku-Yvonne, bengithi, udinga, uyazi, wenze okungcono kakhulu, futhi ukushicilele encwadini enezithombe ezinhle zalezi zihlahla ezahlukene kanye nalezi zinhlamvu zothando. Ngoba imnandi nje lendaba.

[00:29:47] UJackie De Burca: Indaba enhle ngempela. Kunjalo ngempela. Manje siqhubekela kubuchwepheshe obusetshenziswa yi-US White House kanye nokutshalwa kwezihlahla okukhulu okungenzi nzuzo ukuze kubhekwane nokungafani kwezempilo. Kuyaziwa ngokuthi Izikolo Zemvelo. Ungakwazi ukukhuluma nathi ngakho, Nadina?

[00:30:06] UDkt Nadina Galle: Impela, yebo. Ngakho-ke i-Nature Score ihluke kakhulu kwinto, uyazi, ochwepheshe abake bayenza esikhathini esidlule, omasipala abaye benza esikhathini esidlule, okwenza ukuhlolwa kohlaza onakho edolobheni. Ngakho esikhathini esidlule lokhu kwakwenziwa ngokubuka into ebizwa ngokuthi i-NDVI noma i-Normalized Difference Vegetation Index. Futhi lokho kwasebenza kahle kakhulu, kodwa kusebenze kahle kakhulu ngokwenza into eyodwa eyayidweba uhlaza edolobheni. Kodwa manje siyazi ukuthi impilo, ukuthi izinzuzo zezempilo esikuthola emvelweni akukona nje uhlaza. Eqinisweni, futhi iza ngesimo semithombo yamanzi, yamabhishi, amasimu avulekile, amahlathi. Uyazi, zonke lezi zakhi zemvelo ezahlukene zidlala indima yethu, empilweni yethu. Futhi kulokhu kuhlaziya kwe-NDVI, izinto ezifana nesihlabathi namadwala namanzi empeleni zithola amaphuzu anguziro ngoba aziluhlaza. Futhi manje siyazi ngocwaningo ukuthi lezi zindawo zinikeza izinzuzo zezempilo. Ngakho-ke iNature Score yathuthukiswa njengenye indlela yalokho. Yasungulwa ngokuqalwa e-Oregon okubizwa ngeNatureQuant. Futhi ungakwazi ukukuzwa ngegama. Umsebenzi wabo ukulinganisa imvelo. Futhi isizathu sokuthi kungani befuna ukwenza lokho ingoba bakholelwa ngenhliziyo yonke ukuthi uma singanikeza imvelo inombolo, sizoba ngcono ngokuzama ukuzitholela utshalomali futhi siyithole futhi siyilwele ngempela indawo yayo eyifanele, ikakhulukazi izindawo zasemadolobheni. Ngakho-ke i-Nature Score, empeleni ekwenzayo ukuthi ungakhetha noma yiliphi ikheli elimile noma ikuphi e-Canada nase-US futhi basebenzela i-Europe okwamanje, futhi ungathola i-Nature Score yakho. Ngakho-ke lokho kuthatha, kuthatha indawo engangamamitha angama-500 ukusuka eduze kwendlu yakho. Lelo yibanga esilaziyo ocwaningweni lokuthi imvelo izoba nomthelela empilweni yakho ohlala kulelo kheli elithile kuleyo ndawo. Futhi ikunikeza amaphuzu. Uyazi, i-100, uyazi, uphakathi kwehlathi, uyazi, okungukuthi, okungukuthi, usendaweni ecebile yemvelo. 80 kuya ku-100, niyazi, 60, 60 kuya ku-80 into ebizwa ngemvelo eyanele. Bese-ke ingena emvelweni, angiyazi ephakathi nendawo. Bese-ke kungena emkhubeni wakho, ukushoda kwemvelo, noma usendaweni enokuntuleka kwemvelo.

Futhi konke lokhu kubhekwa amaqembu amaningi ahlukene. Kube mnandi ukuthi ubani oseqalile ukusebenzisa le mephu. Ekuqaleni, niyazi, i-NatureQuant yayicabanga ukuthi yayizosetshenziselwa izinto ezinjengomasipala, njengokunquma ukuthi ukungenelela kwemvelo kufanele kwenzeke kuphi nokuzama ukuqhamuka nendlela elinganayo yokusabalalisa lezo zinsiza, niyazi, kunokuba nje ukusabalalise, uyazi, uhlaza olwengeziwe ezindaweni ezinomsindo kakhulu, ovame ukuba yizindawo ezicebile kakhulu ngoba banesikhathi esiningi ezandleni zabo ukuze bakwazi ukukhononda ngezinto, besakaza lezo zinsiza ngempela. ezinye zezindawo ezivame ukuzuzisa umphakathi ngokwezomnotho kanye nezindawo ezintula imvelo. Futhi lokho kusengenye yamacala okusetshenziswa. Kodwa engicabanga ukuthi kubuye kwathakazelisa ukuthi isiqala ukusetshenziswa ngabadayisi bomshwalense, abomshuwalense wezempilo. Ngakho-ke uma ubheka, uyazi, uma uhlala endaweni ecebile ngemvelo, siyazi ukuthi empeleni uzoba nezinkinga zempilo ezincane. Ngakho-ke abanye bomshwalense wezempilo abanolwazi olusha, singakwazi yini ukusiza abantu abahlala ezindaweni ezicebile zemvelo, bangakwazi yini ukukhokha imali ephansi yomshwalense? Iyiphi indlela ethakazelisa ngempela yokuthanda, ukuqhubeka nokugqugquzela ukutshalwa kwezimali kwendalo kwezinye zalezi zindawo eziphansi zenhlalo-mnotho, ezinenzuzo, nezincishwe amathuba ukuthi singakwazi yini ukwenza lezo zinto zilingane kakhulu futhi? Ukutshala imali kumakhelwane endaweni yokutshala izihlahla kusho ukukhokha kancane ngomshwalense wakho. Ngike ngezwa izindaba zokuthi isetshenziswa abaphathi bamaphoyisa bezama ukuqonda ukuxhumana phakathi kwemvelo emadolobheni abo kanye nobugebengu ezindaweni zabo, emadolobheni abo, okunezixhumanisi ezithakazelisayo kakhulu hhayi izimbangela, kodwa ukuhlobana ongakuthola lapho futhi. Bese sibona izikhungo zikahulumeni ezinkulu ezifana nabaphathi be-White House, kodwa futhi ezinkulu, ezinkulu ezingenzi nzuzo njengesisekelo se-Arbor Day, owaziyo ukuthi ingenye yezinhlangano ezinkulu zokutshala izihlahla emhlabeni, empeleni zisebenzisa imephu yesikwele yemvelo ukunquma. lapho kufanele batshale futhi benze lezi zindlela zokungenelela zokutshala. Ngoba siyazi ngocwaningo ukuthi ungcono kakhulu ekutshaleni isihlahla esisodwa emgwaqweni ongenaso, uma uqhathanisa nokutshala isihlahla esingeziwe emgwaqeni osevele unenqwaba. Unjalo nje, uzothola izinzuzo eziningi ezengeziwe, kungakhathaliseki ukuthi zihlobene nesimo sezulu noma impilo nokuphila kahle okuhlobene naleso sihlahla esisodwa. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kuyicala elithokozisayo lokusebenzisa. Kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi okubaluleke kakhulu, ukubheka imvelo ngelinye iso. Kubheka imvelo kusuka yiziphi izici zemvelo ezisekela impilo futhi zinquma izinqumo zethu zenqubomgomo ngokusekelwe kulolo lwazi?

[00:35:14] UJackie De Burca: Yebo, kukhulu lokho. Ngokusobala, uma abanye bomshuwalense bekucabangela, lokho kukhulu.

Okunye okwangihlaba umxhwele kakhulu ukuthi ngisho namachibi angasigcina siphila isikhathi eside. Ngikuthola kumangalisa lokho, njengoba ngenza uhlelo lokusebenza olunikezwa udokotela. Manje ubani owadala lokhu futhi kwenzani lokho?

[00:35:37] UDkt Nadina Galle: Yebo, ngakho-ke Umthamo Wemvelo uwuhlelo lokusebenza lwemithi yemvelo olwakhiwe phezu kwe-Nature Score. Futhi empeleni ukuthi isebenza kanjani iwuhlelo lokusebenza olusebenza ngemuva ocingweni lwakho. Ngakho-ke akulona uhlelo lokusebenza oluklanyelwe ukuthi unamathiselwe esikrinini. Isebenza ngemuva kwefoni yakho kufana ne-pedometer noma i-Fitbit noma ikhawunta yesinyathelo engayenza efonini yakho. Futhi empeleni ekwenzayo ukusebenzisa indawo yakho ye-GPS kuleyo mephu ye-Nature Score, ngokuyisisekelo ihlanganisa ukuze ingabambeleli emininingwaneni yendawo yakho, kodwa ihlanganisa nsuku zonke ukuthi ubukade ungaphakathi imizuzu emingaki, mingaki imizuzu obunayo. babengaphandle, futhi mingaki imizuzu owachayeka ngayo kuleyo mizuzu ungaphandle.

Futhi lokhu okwenziwa yilokhu empeleni kukunikeza lokho kugudluza, ngethemba lokuthi uzophumela ngaphandle kakhulu, njengoba uFitbit ebengenza, ukukusiza ufinyelele leyo sinyathelo sesinyathelo esiyizi-10,000 ngosuku.

Umthamo Wemvelo, ucwaningo olungcono kakhulu esinalo, lukhombisa ukuthi sidinga ubuncane bemizuzu eyi-120, amahora amabili esichayeke emvelweni isonto ngalinye. Ngakho-ke lokho isilinganiso salokho, okufana nemizuzu eyi-17, 20 ngosuku, ekuthola kuleso silinganiso esincane, ngakho-ke ukugudluza ukuthi uphumele ngaphandle uvezwe imvelo okungenani imizuzu engama-20 ngosuku. Ngakho-ke inemephu yesikwele yemvelo, eyimbudumbudu kakhulu, ekwaziyo ukukhombisa, uyazi, uthola ukufana, uthola iphuzu eligcwele lokuba phakathi nehlathi, uthola iphoyinti elinguhhafu lokuba sebhishi. esihlahleni esinemigwaqo emikhulu. Futhi uthola amaphuzu anguziro uma umi phakathi nendawo yokupaka. Futhi lowo umehluko phakathi kwesikhathi sangaphandle nesikhathi esivezwe emvelweni.

Futhi ngokusho kwakho, uJackie, amabhishi namachibi nawo athola amaphuzu aphezulu ngoba siyazi ngocwaningo ukuthi lezo zinto zisekela kakhulu impilo futhi. Bese umbuzo uba, kulungile, kahle, uyazi, singalusebenzisa kanjani lolu hlelo lokusebenza? Singakuhlanganisa kanjani lokhu? Ngicabanga ukuthi kwabanye abantu kuzothuka kancane ukuthi manje sidinga uhlelo lokusebenza oluzositshela ukuthi siphumele ngaphandle. Futhi ngingasho kubantu lapho lokho kuzwakala kushaqisa khona, mhlawumbe awukudingi, akunjalo? Mhlawumbe leyo yinto ebaluleke kakhulu emikhubeni yakho yansuku zonke kangangoba awudingi into efana ne-Nature Dose. Kepha ngingaphikisa ukuthi kunenqwaba yabantu abadinga lokho kugudluzwa ukuze baphumele ngaphandle, kufana nokuthi badinga ukugudluzwa ukuze bathathe izinyathelo eziyi-10,000 ngosuku. I ukubaluleka ye-Nature Dose akukhona nje ukuthi zingaki izinyathelo ozithatha nsuku zonke. Kuphinde futhi mayelana nokuthi uzithathaphi lezo zinyathelo ngosuku. Futhi lokhu kuwukugudluza ngethemba lokuthatha lezo zinyathelo endaweni yemvelo ukuze sizuze ngempela kuzo zonke izinzuzo ezinhle esinikezwa zona imvelo. Kodwa futhi ngibona izimo zokusebenzisa okungenzeka lapha. Isibonelo, njengokubambisana, isibonelo, nodokotela wakho wezempilo yengqondo. Ngikhuluma ngesifundo esisencwadini lapho empeleni usebenzisa I-Nature Dose njengophawu oluyisixwayiso, imvamisa kulabo abasebasha abangaphansi kweminyaka eyishumi ababhekene nokucindezeleka okukhulu nesifo sengqondo esibi njengophawu oluyisixwayiso sokuthi lolo lwazi abanalo. Bebengaphandle ngo-X inani lezinsuku empeleni lithunyelwa kudokotela wabo wezempilo yengqondo ukuze bazi ukuthi kufanele bahlole okwengeziwe kanye nokuhlola inhlalakahle kulabo bantu, okuthi, yebo, bazizwe bemkhulu kwabanye. Kodwa sikhuluma ngentsha esemncane ebhekene nesifo esinzima sengqondo. Sifuna ukwenza isiqiniseko sokuthi bathola usizo olubafanele. Esinye isimo esisetshenziswayo empeleni esozakwethu bezinkampani ezinkulu. Kulungile? Kule nkathi yokusebenza ukude nokusebenza ngohlobo lwale mfashini eyingxubevange, singabakhuthaza ngempela abasebenzi ukuthi baphumele ngaphandle, bathathe imihlangano yokuhamba ngezinyawo, baphumele ngaphandle ngesikhathi sabo sekhefu lasemini ezindaweni zemvelo? Ngoba siyazi ukuthi lezo zisebenzi zizokhiqiza kakhulu, zithathe izinsuku ezimbalwa zokugula, futhi zibe nezimpawu zokukhathala okuncane. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi sisemaphethelweni okuqonda ukuthi singase sikwazi kanjani ukusebenzisa lokhu. Ngicabanga ukuthi maningi amacala okusetshenziswa athokozisayo. Futhi ekugcineni, ngicabanga ukuthi ithemba lami elikhulu, futhi ngikhuluma ngakho nasesifundweni sencwadi, ukuthi izinhlelo zokusebenza ezinjengalezi zizophela ngolunye usuku. Eqinisweni, ngithemba ukuthi bazokwenza ngoba sizobe sidalile.

Sizobe sidale izilungiselelo zasemadolobheni kanye nezindawo zasemadolobheni ezicebile kakhulu ngemvelo kangangokuthi akudingeki sicabange kabili mayelana nokuthola izinyathelo zethu ezingu-10,000 ngosuku noma imizuzu yethu engu-20 noma ihora lemvelo ngosuku, ngoba kuzoba njalo. egxile emikhubeni yethu yansuku zonke kanye nendlela esihamba ngayo ezimpilweni zethu zansuku zonke.

[00:39:56] UJackie De Burca: Yebo, ngiqonde ukuthi, uvusa umcabango wami futhi ngoba ngisekhasini elifanayo nelakho ngalowo mqondo, ngoba nginombono obonakalayo wokungabi kude kakhulu komugqa, wena. yazi, izindawo zasemadolobheni esikhuluma ngazo zizoba luhlaza kakhulu. Futhi ngiyacabanga futhi ngethemba ukuthi abantu Abahlala kulezo zindawo esikhathini esingekude kakhulu esizayo bazobheka emuva emlandweni futhi bahambe, oh, Nkulunkulu wami, njengokuthi, abantu babephila kanjani kulawo mahlathi kakhonkolo ngaphambili?

[00:40:26] UDkt Nadina Galle: Yebo, yebo, impela. Ngicabanga ukuthi into ethokozisayo ngamadolobha ukuthi ngicabanga ukuthi abantu bayashesha ukubheka emuva ngendlela amadolobha abeyiyo futhi baphathe kabi kakhulu ngendlela abekade eyiyo. Kodwa iqiniso liwukuthi amadolobha awucwaningo oluyimpumelelo lwenhlalo, Aye ajwayela ngokuqhubekayo futhi alolongwa kulokho okwakudingeka nezifiso zabantu basemadolobheni ngaleso sikhathi. Khona lapho kuhlanganiswa indle yokuqala ehlanganisiwe, uyazi, kwakuyi-haleluya ngoba amadolobha ayebhekene nendle evulekile emiseleni, nokuqubuka kwekholera. Niyazi, lalinjalo, lalingcolile futhi liyanuka futhi libi kakhulu. Futhi amasistimu endle ahlanganisiwe anikeziwe, uyazi, ukuthuthuka okukhulu kulokho. Manje sibheka iminyaka eyi-100, sibheka lezo zinhlelo futhi sifana, ngezikhathi zemvula enkulu, lezo zingaba zimbi ngempela ngoba singaholela ekugelezeni okuhlanganisiwe kwendle, okusho ukuthi, niyazi, imithelela emibi kakhulu kwikhwalithi yethu yamanzi neyethu Impilo yomphakathi nokuphepha. Kulungile. Ngakho-ke sibheka izindlela esingazisebenzisa kakhulu ingqalasizinda eluhlaza kanye nohlobo olwengeziwe lwamaqhinga edolobha lesipontshi lokukwazi ukumunca amanzi amaningi emvula ukuze isistimu yendle ehlanganisiwe ezindaweni lapho, wazi, ingakwazi ukuhlukaniswa khona ngoba kubiza kakhulu futhi kunzima kakhulu. Uyazi, siyakwazi ukumunca amanzi amaningi emvula ukuze isistimu yendle ehlanganisiwe ibe ngaphansi. Ingaphansi kwengcindezi encane kulezo zindawo. Ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele siqhubeke sibheke ukuthi singazivumelanisa kanjani futhi siguqule kanjani nezidingo zabantu basemadolobheni ngo-2024. Uyazi, kunesikhathi sokukhuphuka kwemoto okwakubonakala njengomkhosi wokugubha imigwaqo emikhulu. phakathi kwamadolobha ethu. Sicabanga ngendlela ehlukile manje. Siyabona, uyazi, sinezingxoxo ezibucayi mayelana nokuthi kunengqondo yini ukumisa isikhala esiningi semigwaqo nezindawo zokupaka. Kungani singaba nawo ezingeni eliphansi? Kungani singakwazi ukuzifaka ngaphansi komhlaba? Kungani singeke senze izinto ezifana nokwabelana ngezimoto ukuze sinciphise ukucindezelwa komhlaba futhi esikhundleni salokho sisebenzise leyo ndawo njengendawo yomphakathi futhi sibe luhlaza lezo zindawo. Ngakho-ke sihlala sibheka ukushintsha, uyazi, izidingo kanye nezidingo zabantu bethu basemadolobheni. Futhi ngempela, ngokwephuzu lakho, Jackie, ngicabanga ukuthi sizobheka emuva futhi sithi, sihlala kanjani kulawo mahlathi kakhonkolo? Futhi sizobheka phambili ekusaseni futhi sibone ngethemba imvelo enethemba elikhulu, indawo yasemadolobheni enothile enenzuzo kuyo yonke ingxenye yempilo yomuntu kanye nazo zonke ezinye izinhlobo zezilwane esabelana ngazo namadolobha ethu.

[00:42:54] UJackie De Burca: Impela, ngokuphelele. Ngakho mina nawe sobabili sizizwa ngaleyo ndlela, okuyinto enhle kakhulu. Kodwa ngeshwa, kunabantu abaningi, ikakhulukazi abantu abasha esibaziyo, obaziyo, uqobo kanye. Futhi nje ngomsebenzi owenzayo nami engiwenzayo, ongenalo ithemba ngekusasa ngenxa yokuthi, sizothi, ukuguquka kwesimo sezulu kanye izinto eziphilayo ukulahlekelwa. Futhi umhlaba njengoba unjalo njengamanje, lena into osekuyisihloko esikhulu namuhla ngoba laba bantu bayizizukulwane zethu ezizayo futhi bakulesi simo. Amaphesenti amakhulu abo, isibonelo, mhlawumbe, mhlawumbe azama ukuzibulala. Futhi njengoba ushilo mayelana nomthamo wemvelo, vele, empilweni yomuntu osemusha, lolo hlelo lokusebenza lubaluleke kakhulu ngoba okungenani noma ubani owelapha ukudangala kwakhe nanoma yikuphi ukuphazamiseka abhekene nakho uzokwazi ukukubona. Awu, bukani, niyazi, aniphumanga emvelweni, njengokuthi, izinsuku ezinhlanu noma okuthize. Kuyisihloko esikhulu. Gina, ithini imibono yakho?

[00:43:55] UDkt Nadina Galle: Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi ngizama kakhulu ukusebenzisa ifilosofi yokuthi uma sibheka umhlaba, futhi ikakhulukazi emadolobheni ethu ngokusebenzisa lens yemvelo, sisebenza ngombono wenala nendalo kanye nethemba kanye nethemba. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi leyo yinto ehlinzekwa yizindawo zemvelo. Banikeza leyo ndawo yokuphumula, ukubuyisela izingqondo zethu, ukuthola ukukhululeka kanye nethemba lokuthola impumuzo kobunye ubuhlungu esibuzwayo. Futhi leyo yinto engikholwa ukuthi ibucayi kakhulu, ikakhulukazi kulesi sikhathi ukukhathazeka kwesimo sezulu kanye nobumnyama, ukuqhubeka nokubuka umhlaba wethu nge-lens yemvelo nokudala imvelo eyengeziwe, ukudala izikhala eziningi zemvelo, ukuze sisebenzelane nemvelo, ukuxhumana nemvelo. Ngoba ngikholwa ukuthi lokho kuthinta yonke ingxenye yempilo yethu, eyabazali bethu, ogogo nomkhulu bethu, yezingane zethu, kanye. Futhi kulabo kini abazizwa sengathi, kulungile, ngokuqinisekile, kulula ukukusho, kodwa yini okufanele ngiyenze endlini yami esitezi sesithupha? Nginovulandi kuphela. Ngingasho eyodwa ukuthi kuvulandi namanje. Ngisho noma kuyifasitela kuphela, awukwazi ukuthi ubani obheke phezulu kuvulandi. Ukwenza luhlaza kuvulandi sekuvele kukuhlinzeka ngenani lezinzuzo kanye nanoma ibaphi abadlulayo. Kodwa futhi ngizokumema ukuthi ubheke ngokucophelela. Uchitha kuphi isikhathi sakho esiningi. Ngiyakubheja cishe akekho kulelo fulethi. Kungase kube sendleleni ohamba ngayo. Kungaba sendaweni yehhovisi lakho. Kungaba sekhampasi yakho yebhizinisi, inyuvesi yakho, Isikole sengane yakho, indawo yakho yokholo, esontweni lakho. Lezi yizo zonke izindawo namadolobha avame ukuba sendaweni yangasese ukuthi empeleni sinokulawula okuningi kulokho esingakwenza ukuze siguqule ubuso balezi zindawo. Futhi ngizokukhuthaza ukuthi uhlanganyele kulokho. Bheka lokho okukuzungezile, ikakhulukazi kuleyo ndawo engamamitha angu-500 yendlu yakho. Cabanga indawo futhi wenze endaweni yangakini, ngoba lokho kungukuthi, uma wonke umuntu engakwenza lokho endaweni engamamitha angama-500 ukusuka ekhaya, amadolobha ethu angabukeka njengendawo ehluke kakhulu.

[00:46:03] UJackie De Burca: Bazokwenza ngempela. Manje, bengizoqedela ngokukucela noma yimaphi amazwi okugcina ezeluleko, kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi ucishe ukwenze lokho ngokwakho. Kodwa ingabe akhona, noma yimaphi amanye, uyazi, amagugu amancane ongathanda ukukunikeza ukuze uwaqedele?

[00:46:17] UDkt Nadina Galle: Uchungechunge olunezingxenye ezine, mhlawumbe izeluleko ezincane kanye nenselelo encane. Ngakho-ke ngikwenzile, ngithe kuwe ukuthi uhlole ukuthi yini ekuleyo ndawo engamamitha angu-500, kodwa mhlawumbe ngingathanda ukumema bonke abalaleli ukuthi bahlonze okungenani izinhlobo eziyi-10 zezitshalo noma izilwane endaweni engamamitha angama-500 ukusuka ekhaya labo. Futhi uma ungathanda, ungasebenzisa eyodwa yalezi zinhlelo zokusebenza esixoxile ngazo, i-Earth Snap, i-PlantSnap, i-iNaturalist, futhi ubandakanye umuntu. I-City Nature Challenge, uma kunjalo, lokho kuvamise ukuba sekupheleni kuka-April, ekuqaleni kukaMeyi, okuyindlela enhle kakhulu ngoba lapho-ke awugcini ngokuhlonza lezi zinhlobo zezilwane futhi uhlole lokho okukuzungezile, kodwa ungakwazi nokuhlangana nabanye abantu. abanentshisekelo kulokhu futhi. Futhi ungamangala ukuthi kaningi kangakanani uma ngiyeka ukuthatha isithombe, niyazi, imbali ethile enhle yeqabunga lesihlahla noma, niyazi, ngizama ukuthola amazwibela ovemvane oluthile kukhamera yami. Ungamangala ukuthi ingakanani isikebhe esiphihliza iqhwa okusho ukuthi, ngokushesha kangakanani, uyazi, abantu bayakubona lokho futhi babuze imibuzo ngakho. Uyazi wenzani noma ubukani? Uyazi, isikebhe esihle kangaka kanye naleli thuba elihle lokuxhumana nabantu, engicabanga ukuthi silidinga kakhulu emhlabeni wanamuhla, ikakhulukazi emadolobheni ethu.

[00:47:39] UJackie De Burca: Leso iseluleko esinembile nesimangalisayo, Nadina. Kube yinjabulo enkulu ukuba nezingxoxo zethu ezihlukahlukene. Futhi uyazi, ngicabanga ukuthi yonke into oyishilo izoba usizo kakhulu kubalaleli futhi ngikujabulele kakhulu ukushutha kwethu ndawonye.

[00:47:57] UDkt Nadina Galle: Nami nginakho ngempela. Jackie, ngibonga kakhulu kubalaleli ngokulalela kanye nawe, Jackie, ngokufuna ukuchitha isikhathi esiningi kulezi zihloko ezibaluleke ngempela. Ngithemba ukuthi abalaleli bakho bathole okuningi.

[00:48:09] UJackie De Burca: Unenani kuyo futhi ngikholwa ukuthi bazokwenza. Nadina, ngiyabonga kakhulu.