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[00:00:00] Isithethi A: Le yi Amazwi Akhayo. Amazwi Akhayo, ipodcast ye ukwakhiwa abantu ngeendaba, iimbono kunye ingcali udliwano-ndlebe.

[00:00:11] UJackie De Burca: Molo, lo nguJackie D Burca apha waMazwi Akhayo. Ndichulumancile kakhulu ukuthi le nyanga yiNyanga yoLutsha kuMazwi akhayo kwaye oku kukhokelwa nguKeira o'Brien omangalisayo, olivolontiya lolutsha elinesiphiwo kakhulu apha kwi-Constructive Voices kwaye uza kwenza uthotho lwezine. podcasts kule nyanga, zonke zimalunga nezifundo ezahlukeneyo ezinxibelelene nemibutho kunye nomsebenzi owenziwa ngabantu abancinci okanye abantu bezonyango. Kukho yonke into edibeneyo malunga noluntu lwethu kunye nomsebenzi owenziwe namhlanje ngabantu abatsha. Ke udliwano-ndlebe lokuqala esinalo noCiara noDamien Queally, oliGosa eliyiNtloko leNkqubo kwiSicwangciso saMazwe ngaMazwe, uDamien, ubonisa indlela iinkqubo ezikhokelwa ekuhlaleni, ngokusebenzisa ilensi eyomeleleyo yesini kunye nokwenza izigqibo zokwenene zolutsha zinokuqhuba utshintsho oluzinzileyo lokugqibela kwaye kutheni ngoku, kwixesha lembalela, izikhukhula, ukufuduka, indlala, ukunyamezela imozulu, izisombululo ezizezabantu azinangxoxo. Kwaye ngoku ndijonge kuwe, Ciara.

[00:01:17] Isithethi A: La Ngamazwi Akhayo.

[00:01:19] UCiara O'Brien: NdinguCiara, ndilitshantliziyo lolutsha kunye nePlan International kwaye namhlanje ndilapha noDamien, oliGosa eliyiNtloko leeNkqubo zePlan International.

Damien, kumnandi ukuthetha nawe namhlanje. Ngaba ungathanda ukuzazisa?

[00:01:34] UDamien Queally: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Molo, Ciara. Ewe. Igama lam ndinguDamien Queally kwaye ndiliGosa eliyiNtloko leeNkqubo zePlan International.

Kudala ndisebenzela uCwangciso iminyaka emininzi kwii-ofisi zelizwe, kwii-ofisi zengingqi, kwimibutho yesizwe, kwaye ngoku ndikwindawo yehlabathi ekhokela isebe elibanzi elinxulumene nomsebenzi wethu wokucwangcisa.

[00:01:52] UCiara O'Brien: Uyamangalisa. Ungacacisa ke ukuba zeziphi iinkqubo ezikwi-Plan International kubantu abangeva ncam ngalo mbutho?

[00:01:59] UDamien Queally: Ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo. Ngokucacileyo ziyahluka ngokusekwe kumxholo, uyazi, nokuba usebenza eSouth Sudan kwiindawo zokungakhuseleki kokutya okanye ukuba usebenza eTogo malunga namanyathelo anxulumene nophuhliso. Kuyakuhlala kukho imiba yenkqubo, kodwa sinemiba ephambili esisebenza kuyo kwaye ijikeleze ukukhula kwethu kobuntwana, imfundo, ukhuseleko kubundlobongela, impilo yezesondo kunye namalungelo.

Kananjalo neendlela zokuphila kunye nokuxhotyiswa kolutsha kwezoqoqosho. Kwaye kunjalo ke sinomxholo obizwa ngokuba yinkokeli, ethethathethwano lolutsha, inxaxheba yolutsha enqumla kuzo zonke iindawo ezahlukeneyo esisebenza kuzo. Ngoko kwimeko yobuntu nathi ngokuqinisekileyo sizoba kwezo ndawo, kodwa sinazo ezinye izinto ukhuseleko lokutya. Ke sinokuba senza ukuhanjiswa kokutya, ukuhanjiswa kwezinto ezingatyiyo, imali kunye neenkqubo ezinxulumene nevawutsha, impilo yengqondo, inkxaso yengqondo nentlalontle.

Ke ijonge kumjikelo wobomi bomntwana kunye nowentombazana kunye nendlela oqinisekisa ngayo ukuba uyayilungisa eminye yemiceli mngeni ephambili abathathi-nxaxheba benkqubo abajongana nayo, nokuba kukumanqanaba okuqala obomi babo okanye nokuba ziindawo zamathuba ezoqoqosho kubomi babo kwaye sizama ukuqinisekisa ukuba sibeka iinkqubo zokujongana neemfuno ezithile kuluntu esisebenza kulo.

[00:03:16] UCiara O'Brien: Ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo. Ndiyawazi amanye amaphulo eIreland besisenza intlupheko yexesha kunye nezinto ezinjalo. Kwaye ke icala lehlabathi ngumtshato womntwana ngakumbi. Ke intle kakhulu, ibanzi kakhulu, kodwa ngokubanzi ngelensi yesini, ndicinga ukuba kulungile ukuyithetha.

[00:03:28] UDamien Queally: Ewe, hayi, ngokupheleleyo. Kwaye ewe, siyazi, njengaxa ubukhankanya intlupheko yexesha, omnye wemixholo ephambili esingenisa kuyo, ngakumbi umsebenzi wethu onxulumene noluntu xa sihambisa abantu abathe bagxothwa ngenkani okanye iimbacu, ukuba sibanika izinto ezingezizo ukutya kunye nezixhobo zococeko, siqinisekise ukuba kukho iimveliso zococeko lokuya exesheni nalapho, kuba zihlala zingahoywanga. Ke ndicinga ukuba ilensi yesini kuyo yonke imiba eyahlukeneyo esiyenzayo kufuneka iphume yomelele kakhulu. Kungenjalo sisenokuba senza impendulo eqhelekileyo kodwa siphulukene neemfuno ezithile zesini esahlukileyo okanye iinkcukacha zelo qela.

[00:04:05] UCiara O'Brien: Ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo. Ngoko uhlobo lokugxila kuloo lensi yesini, i-lens ye-intersectional. Ngaba lukhona olunye uhlobo lwefilosofi osondela ngalo kucwangciso lwenkqubo?

[00:04:15] UDamien Queally: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba elinye lawona macandelo abalulekileyo kukuba sifuna ukuyenza noluntu kunye nabathathi-nxaxheba benkqubo esibakhonzayo kunye nabadlali basekhaya ngokunjalo. Njengabantu baya kuba bevile nge-ajenda yendawo kwaye kufuneka ukuba iqhube yonke into esiyenzayo. Kwaye oko kuthetha izinto ezahlukeneyo kwiindawo ezahlukeneyo zombutho. Kodwa xa kufikwa kwiprogramu, imalunga nokuqinisekisa ukuba sinjalo uyilo iinkqubo kunye nabo bathatha inxaxheba kwezo nkqubo. Ukuba ayindim ohleli kwi-hub yehlabathi ndithi, owu, masenze le nkqubo kuluntu lwaseTogo, xa eneneni isenokuba ayiyonto ifunwa luluntu lwaseTogo kwaphela.

Ngoko ngokwenene kufuneka sizise oko kuzithoba koko sikwenzayo. Kwaye nangona sinamanqanaba ahlukeneyo obuchule ngokuxhomekeke kwindima yethu, imalunga nokuqinisekisa ukuba amazwi oluntu, amazwi abantu abatsha, amazwi abantwana, amantombazana esisebenza nawo abonisa ukuba zeziphi iimfuno zabo ngexesha kunye nendlela esisebenzisana ngayo nabo kunye nabadlali bendawo ukujongana nezo mfuno kunye nokudala amathuba olo luntu lufuna ukuxhamla kuwo.

[00:05:18] UCiara O'Brien: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba abantu abaninzi baya kukhululeka xa bebona indlela yokusebenzisana ngakumbi.

Inokuba yimbono engalunganga yoncedo loluntu, ukuba luhlobo lwembono yomsindisi omhlophe okanye oku kugqobhoza ngomzuzu wokugqibela. Kodwa kumnandi ukuva uhlobo lwelensi yentsebenziswano, kodwa kwakhona ngentsebenziswano, kufuneka igxininiswe ke kwintsebenziswano yehlabathi kunye namanyathelo ehlabathi. Kwaye ndiyacinga nokuzinza ngakumbi ngakumbi. Ngoko uzinzo lwenziwa njani emsebenzini wakho?

[00:05:48] UDamien Queally: Ewe, hayi, linqaku elilungileyo. Kwaye uyazi, emva nje kwiqhekeza elimhlophe lokusindisa. Ndicinga ukuba yayiyinxalenye yezazisi zemibutho emininzi iminyaka emininzi.

Uyazi, kwi clan, Mna eneneni ndinebhongo kakhulu ukuba kuphela malunga, Ndicinga ukuba 1.5% abasebenzi bethu ngamazwe, ngathi thina 98.5% ngabasebenzi bendawo ukusuka kuluntu ukusuka kumazwe esisebenza kuwo. Ngoko ke ndicinga ukuba kubaluleke ngokwenene kuba njengoko bayawuqonda umxholo, baqonde dynamics, inkcubeko, baphila zokwenyani. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba kubaluleke kakhulu ukuba ngabo abaqhuba kwaye baphembelele into esiyenzayo. Kwaye oko kuchaphazela isiqwenga sozinzo ngokunjalo. Kuba ukuba ngaba ngabadlali bendawo osebenza kunye namaqabane asekhaya, ukuba ngabasebenzi besizwe abavela kula mazwe, baya kuba nakho ukuqhubeka nomsebenzi nokuba isicwangciso asisekho. Ndicinga ukuba eyona nxalenye iphambili yozinzo lwethu kuxa sisebenzisana namaqabane asekhaya, lubambiswano lokwenyani kwaye ayithi sibaxelele into ekufuneka beyenzile, sisebenza nabo ngokwenene, sijongana neemfuno ezithile kulo naluphi na uluntu olunokuba lulo kwaye sidlulisela iiseti zezakhono abanokuthi bazifunele ukuzinza ngakumbi. Ngenxa yokuba uyazi, inkxaso-mali indawo inzima ngokwenene kwaye iyakhuphisana kwaye abaxhasi bamaziko banemithetho emininzi kunye neemfuno zokuthotyelwa ukuba ungumdlali omncinci wendawo, akunakwenzeka ukuba ukwazi ukubambelela kuzo zonke.

Ngoko ke yintoni ixabiso lethu lokongeza kwezo ntsebenziswano kwaye sinokunceda njani ukuqinisa abo badlali basekuhlaleni kwiindawo abanokufuna inkxaso ukuze nabo, uyazi, baqale ukufuna ezinye iintlobo zenkxaso-mali ukuze bakwazi ukuzinza. Ndicinga ukuba enye inxalenye yolo uzinzo luhlobo nje lokuba usebenza nabadlali bengingqi kunye noluntu lwasekuhlaleni kunye nabantu abatsha kwiinkqubo abanazo, uyazi, ukuba nabo kuthetha ukuba baya kuqhubeka emva koko.

Kwaye uyazi, thina, akufuneki sibe kuluntu iminyaka engama-30, 40 kuba ke uluntu luxhomekeke kuthi kunokuba, uyazi, oku kuzithemba kufuneka bazakhe. Kodwa kunye noorhulumente basekhaya kunye noorhulumente beengingqi abangabanini bezidingo zabo zophuhliso kunye nokuphendula kuluntu kunye nabemi. Basebenza kunye. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba kukho ezinye zeenxalenye eziphambili zolo uzinzo. Kukuba ubunini basekhaya, uthethathethwano nabaxhasi basekhaya, uthethathethwano norhulumente wasekhaya, ukomeleza loo mibutho yasekuhlaleni ukuze ikwazi ukuqhubeka nokwandisa umsebenzi ebesinegalelo kuwo.

[00:08:16] UCiara O'Brien: Ewe, loo lens malunga nokuchonga unobangela kwaye ndingumlweli okanye ndingumthetheleli okanye ndingumntu ophucula uluntu lwam, ndicinga ukuba injalo, ibaluleke kakhulu. Kwaye uyayibona kakhulu ngabantu abaphuma kolu hlobo lweenkqubo ngenxa yokuba abaziva ngathi baqhagamshelwe kuyo okanye batyalwe imali kuyo. Kwaye kumnandi ukubona olu hlobo, andazi, ndiyaqikelela ukuba lugxininise ekudibaniseni abantu neqela kakhulu kangangokuba ndiyaqikelela ukuba abantu abanokuthi bacinge, oh, eneneni ndiyinkokeli kweli linge loluntu ukuze ndiqhubele phambili iprojekthi yoluntu okanye ndineprojekthi.

Ngaba unalo naliphi na icebiso kumntu ofana nolo cwangciso nje inyathelo elincinane loluntu?

[00:09:01] UDamien Queally: Ewe. Kwaye sibone imizekelo emininzi yaloo nto.

Inye into endiyithandayo malunga nenkqubo yethu yenkxaso kukuvumela ukuba sihlale ixesha elide eluntwini kwaye ibhetyebhetye ngakumbi malunga nokuziqhelanisa neemfuno zaloo nto ibonwa luluntu. Kwaye sibabonile abanye abantu abebeyinxalenye yenkqubo yethu yenkxaso ngoku abangoosodolophu babo Dolophu, baye baseka amashishini amancinane kunye namashishini kwaye baqesha abantu kumashishini abo kunye nokudala imisebenzi emitsha.

Sibonile kumsebenzi wethu worhwebo wolutsha apho, uyazi, siye saxhasa ngokwemigaqo yezakhono zoshishino kunye nezakhono zezimali kunye nezakhono zokurhweba emva koko sinike inkxaso-mali yembewu kumaqela athile afuna ukuqhubela phambili emva koko aseke amashishini abo amancinci aze akhule kwaye afumane kwaye aqeshe abantu abaninzi kuluntu kwaye babe yimizekelo, uyazi, kuninzi eluntwini. Kwaye ndiyazi ukuba siza kuchaphazela umntwana kwangoko kunye nomtshato onyanzelwayo kancinci. Kodwa njengokuba, uyazi, apho siye sasebenza kunye namagqiyazana aselula kwaye sibenzele elo thuba lezoqoqosho, oko kubonisa uluntu ukuba, uyazi, ukuba ngumtshakazi ayisiyiyo yodwa inketho yomfazi. Ngokwenene banokuba ziinkokeli zoshishino, bangaba ngabasebenzi bezentlalo, banokuba ngabasomashishini bezentlalo. Kwaye ke ngoko ukutyala imali kwimfundo yabo kunye nokubagcina esikolweni kubaluleke kakhulu.

Kodwa ndicinga ngokwengcebiso, uyazi, enye into eqinisekileyo kukwazi ngenene ukuba yintoni ingxaki ozama ukuyisombulula okanye yintoni umba ozama ukuwulungisa kwaye udibana neqela phakathi koluntu okanye elo candelo ofuna ukusebenza kulo.

Ndicinga ukuba enye into izisa abo basebenzisana nabo kwaye babandakanyeke, kuba nokuba wenza ntoni na, kuya kuhlala kukho abantu abathandabuzayo abaya kube bechasene nayo. Kwaye ngakumbi kweli xesha losasazo lweendaba zentlalo, xa i-disinformation ixhaphake kangangokuba kubalulekile ukuba namazwi anamandla apho nawe ukugcina ithuba liphila.

Ndicinga ngoku ukubona ukuba kukho amathuba okucebisa nabanye abakhe bayenza loo nto ngaphambili ngabantu abakhe basebenza kumashishini oluntu.

Uyazi, kukho iinkampani ezinokuthi zikulungele ukunikela ngexesha lokuxhasa kwiindawo apho umntu anokufuna inkxaso kwaye, uyazi, ukuba nabo bazibandakanye kwaye, uyazi, ukunceda ngeminye yemiceli mngeni mhlawumbi yokuseka ishishini lentlalontle kunye nokwenza omnye umsebenzi kunye nokubona indlela esinokuyisebenzisa ngayo, uyazi, imithombo yeendaba yoluntu kunye nedijithali ukuze kulungelwe wena.

Ngoko, ewe, ndiyacinga. Kwaye emva koko ujonge amanye amashishini asekuhlaleni anokuthi sele ekhona kwaye afunde kuwo kwaye abe nohlobo oluthile loluntu lokuziqhelanisa kuba akukho mntu ufumene yonke into. Kwaye okukhona sisabelana ngakumbi kwaye sizibandakanya kwaye ndicinga ukuba, ngenene sinokunceda kunye nokuxhasa omnye umsebenzi, uyazi, amashishini amancinci anokuzama ukuwenza.

Kwaye sinenyathelo elikhulu kwisicwangciso. Andiqinisekanga ukuba uvile ngayo. Ndiqinisekile ukuba unayo. Ngokwenyani, yi-Equality Accelerator, uyazi, apho sinika khona uhlobo oluncinci lwenkxaso-mali kumaqela olutsha kunye nokwenza amanyathelo afuna ukuwenza kwiindawo abahlala kuzo. Kwaye loo manyathelo, ukuba uhlobo ecetywayo naliphi na iqela lolutsha inokuba. Iphononongwa ngabantu abatsha, kwaye abantu abatsha benza isigqibo malunga nendlela yokwabiwa kwenkxaso-mali. Kwaye imigaqo ejikeleze kuyo ilula kakhulu kwaye ayihambelani njengoko bekuya kuba luhlobo lomxhasi weziko. Kwaye siye, kule minyaka mithandathu okanye isixhenxe idlulileyo, sabelwa ngaphezulu kwesigidi seeyuro kumaqela olutsha njengenxalenye yelo nyathelo. Ke kukwakho nolo hlobo lwamathuba apho ngokunjalo, ukuba abantu bayawazi kwaye banokungena njani kuwo.

[00:12:30] UCiara O'Brien: Ewe, ndiyalazi iPhaneli yeeNgcebiso zoLutsha eIreland, sincinci. izibonelelo, izibonelelo ezincinci esinokuzikhupha. Imalunga ne-500 yee-euro. Kodwa inxalenye yaloo nto ijolise ekufumaneni abantu abatsha ukuba benze uhlahlo lwabiwo-mali kwaye benze isicwangciso kwaye babhukishe amagumbi kwaye babhukishe izithuba kwaye bayazi indlela yokwenza oko. Ngoko ke kukuphucula izakhono kunye nokuqhuba inyathelo lentlalontle kakhulu. Ke kumnandi ukubona uhlobo, andazi, ukufumana elo xabiso lixabisekileyo kulo mnikelo, ndiyaqonda, kuba nobabini ningabantu abaPhezulu abaya kwenza utshintsho kwixesha elizayo. Kodwa nawe wenza utshintsho ngoku, kumnandi ukukubona.

Kwaye ke njengomnye waba bantu batsha babandakanyekayo kuCwangciso, ndifuna ukukubuza malunga nokuba abantu abatsha babandakanywe njani na kumagunya okwenza izigqibo kwi-Plan International kuba sithethe kancinci malunga nokuba abantu abatsha banokuba ngabathetheleli benguqu okanye abanokuqhuba eyabo inyathelo lentlalontle, okanye baseke amashishini abo okanye nantoni na efana naleyo, okanye bade babe luncedo ngokubanzi kunye nenxalenye yoluntu lwabo. Kodwa ngokuthe ngqo malunga negunya lokwenza izigqibo, oko kusebenza njani kubantu abancinci kwi-Plan International?

[00:13:39] UDamien Queally: Ewe, ngumbuzo omkhulu lowo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba yinto esiye savela kuyo kule minyaka mihlanu idlulileyo, isixhenxe. Yenye yeendawo eziziva inomdla kakhulu kwaye yenye yeendawo, ndicinga ukuba senze inkqubela phambili enkulu embuthweni kuba besisenza oku ngaphambili kwaye bekukho uphawu ngakumbi. Uzisa abantu abatsha abayi-15 kwintlanganiso yethu yebhodi yolawulo enkulu kwaye baya kuba nohlobo lwentlanganiso yesithunzi ecaleni kwaye uyazi, kuya kubakho ukufunda kwezinye iingxoxo zabo kwaye wonke umntu uya kubhabha ekhaya kwakhona kwaye kuya kuba njalo. Kwaye uyazi, ndaziva ukuba akukho nzulu kwaye akukho ntsingiselo. Ngelixa kule minyaka imbalwa idlulileyo siye, uyazi, uninzi, sithetha nje malunga ne-hub yehlabathi, sineqela leeprojekthi eziphambili esizinikezelayo ezinxulumene nohlobo lomsebenzi wethu wophando, ezinxulumene nempembelelo yethu yehlabathi jikelele kunye nenkxaso, enxulumene nesikali sethu sobuntu, inkxaso yethu elandelayo, ukuvuselela kwaye kukho nabanye abaninzi. Kwaye sinabameli bolutsha abahleli kwikomiti elawulayo kwindawo nganye kwezo zibalulekileyo. Kwaye bangamalungu alinganayo kule komiti yolawulo, besabelana ngeengcinga zabo, ngezimvo zabo, imingeni yabo kwaye bancedisa ukuqhubela phambili iprojekthi kuyo nayiphi na iprojekthi ababandakanyeka kuyo. Kwaye ndiwabonile ngenene loo mazwi anempembelelo kwinto elandelayo kwinkqubo ethile.

Sikwanayo, ndicinga ukuba kwakuyiminyaka emibini edlulileyo indibano yamaLungu, eyona bhodi yethu yolawulo iphezulu okokuqala, yabela izihlalo ezibini ezisesikweni kubameli bolutsha abanegunya lokwenza izigqibo kunye namalungelo okuvota, nto leyo engazange yenziwe ngaphambili kwimbali yethu ye-80 plus iminyaka ukuba sibe naloo malungelo okuvota. Kwaye bayazi kakhulu, usihlalo welo qela uqaphela kakhulu ukuzisa loo mazwi kwintlanganiso nganye kwaye aqinisekise ukuba aviwe kwaye iimbono zabo zabelwana ngazo kwaye zithathwa njengezenzo. Ukuba ngamanyathelo, ukuba amanqaku ajoliswe kwisenzo kwaye aqwalaselwe ngokwenene ngabaphathi njengoko siSiqhubela phambili.

Ikomiti yenkqubo, yikomitana yeBhodi yaMazwe ngaMazwe. Bazisa namalungu amabini eqela lolutsha kwezo ngxoxo. Kwaye ndiyazi ukuba usihlalo welo qela, elinguRabia, usoloko enomdla kakhulu ukuba, uyazi, xa sibonisa nawuphi na umsebenzi wethu, ukuba sizisa amazwi abantu abancinci abayinxalenye yalo msebenzi ukuze babelane ngamava abo malunga noko kusebenza kakuhle, into engasebenzi kakuhle, kunye nokuba neyakho. Ewe, ilizwi labo linefuthe kakhulu kwinto eyenziwa ziikomiti. Kwaye ke ndibone kwiiofisi zelizwe lonke apho banamaqela acebisa ulutsha ngokunjalo. Abanye babo bahlala kwiintlanganiso zeqela labaphathi rhoqo ngekota.

Abanye babo babandakanyeka kuyilo lwesicwangciso, kuphononongo lwesicwangciso, kuyilo lwenkqubo kunye noyilo lweprojekthi.

Ngoko ke kwenzeka uhlobo kumaleko ezininzi. Kodwa mhlawumbi, uyazi, ubuyela kuwe, njengoko ubutshilo, ube yinxalenye yale nto kwi-Plan Ireland. Njenge, uyifumene njani kwiPlan Ireland? Kwaye ndiyakholelwa ukuba ukwenye yeekomitana zebhodi e-Plan Ireland ngokunjalo.

[00:16:35] UCiara O'Brien: Ewe, ewe, ndikwikomitana yokuthengisa kunye nokunyusa imali. Kwaye omnye wabahlobo bam abanetalente kunye nabakrelekrele usebhodini enamalungelo apheleleyo okuvota, oko kukuthi, okuhle kakhulu ukukubona, okunomdla kakhulu. Kwaye kumnandi ukuba. Kumnandi ukubandakanyeka. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba abantu abaninzi, abantu baya kuba becinga xa, xa besiva le nto. Uza kucinga, ngoba? Inceda ngantoni? Mninzi umzamo, utshintsho oluninzi, ixesha elininzi, imali encinci, nangona singamavolontiya, kuthatha izakhono ezininzi ukwenza ukhuseleko, konke oku. Ngoko ke ithini impendulo yakho ukuba kutheni?

[00:17:13] Damien Queally: Mhlawumbi ndingawubuyisela kuwe umbuzo. Uyenzela ntoni?

Ngokombono wam, ndicinga ukuba kutheni.

Ngokwembono yeSicwangciso, kutheni le nto ukuba asizisi amazwi amancinci kwezo zithuba, ngoko senza izigqibo mpe mbelelo abo bantu baselula bengazi ngokwenene ukuba sisigqibo esifanelekileyo eso. Ke ukuba awunawo loo mazwi matsha angenayo, nokuba kukuyilo lweprojekthi yakho okanye kwiqela lobunkokeli belizwe lakho, okanye nokuba kukumbutho wakho wesizwe okanye ibhodi okanye iiprojekthi eziphambili, ukuba awuzisi loo mazwi, uluhlobo lokuhamba, uyazi, ngeliso elinye livaliwe, uyazi, kwaye njenga, ngelixa injongo yakho inokuba ilungile, ayithethi ukuba uninzi lwabantu abancinci luthetha into ebaluleke kakhulu.

Kwaye, uyazi, ndiyakholwa ukuba, uyazi, akufuneki wenze into emntwini ngaphandle kokuMzisa nawe ukuze uqonde ukuba yintoni kanye ayifunayo kuloo nto. Ke ngokwembono yombutho, ndibona omkhulu ukubaluleka kuyo. Kodwa ndiyacinga njengomntu okhoyo ngelo xesha. Ngubani elo lizwi lolutsha kwiqela?

Ngaba oko kuyavakala okanye kutheni uyenza? Kuba lininzi ixesha kwaye lithatha amandla amaninzi.

[00:18:27] UCiara O'Brien: Ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo ibiziintsuku ezimbalwa ezilungileyo, ezilungileyo ezimbalwa ezizeleyo kule minyaka imbalwa idlulileyo kwaye kuthatha umsebenzi omninzi wokulungiselela ukuya kwezo ntlanganiso zithatha ixeshana. Kodwa ewe, ndicinga ukuba imalunga nedemokhrasi.

Ndicinga ukuba oko kuya kufana nempendulo yam elula kukuba lutshintsho lwentlalo, kodwa utshintsho lwentlalo kufuneka lube lomntu wonke. Ndicinga ukuba le nto uyithethayo malunga nokuba ibalulekile kuwe iyinyani. Ngokwamava am, unabantu abaneminyaka engama-30 kuphela, kodwa abayifumani ngenxa yokuba itshintsha ngokukhawuleza ngoku ngemidiya yoluntu kunye neeprojekthi ezahlukeneyo. Ndikhumbula intlanganiso yam yokuqala yesicwangciso.

Sacacisela abaququzeleli ukuba yintoni idisco yabafikisayo kwaye ifana nohlobo lwayo. Ewe, uyazi, njengohlobo lweempembelelo zesini kunye nohlobo lweendlela ezibuthathaka zobundlobongela obusekwe kwisini obusenzeka kwezi disco zabafikisayo xa sasineminyaka eli-12 okanye eli-13. Kwaye abaququzeleli babengazange beve ngezi zinto kuba zazintsha kakhulu. Kwaye kunye nephulo langoku lomtshato womntwana, ukubona zonke izinto zemidiya yoluntu kumtshato womntwana, endingasoze ndikulindele, oko kunjalo, kunomdla, kodwa ngokwenene kuhla kwidemokhrasi. Kwaye umntu akanakuba yingcaphephe ngokwemigaqo yoncwadi, kodwa banokuba yingcaphephe ngokwamava. Ngoko iluncedo kwaye inomdla kakhulu.

[00:19:56] UDamien Queally: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba linqaku elilunge kakhulu elo. Iyatshintsha ngokukhawuleza kwaye ukuba awunabo abantu abafanelekileyo ababandakanyekayo kwezo ncoko, ulungisa into ebinokuba ngumba kum xa ndandineminyaka engama-30, kodwa yahluke ngokupheleleyo kumntu onaloo minyaka ngoku okanye engama-20 okanye izinto ezinjalo. Kwaye kunye nobudala bemithombo yeendaba zentlalo kunye, uyazi, zininzi izinto ezinetyhefu phaya, uyazi, ukubuyisela umva kumalungelo esini kunye nokuhlangana kunye nayo yonke enye into. Njengokuba kunjalo.

Ukuba awukakwenzi, ukuba, ukuba ubukele kuphela ngaphandle, awukwazi ngokwenene ukuba kuthetha ukuthini kwaye uvakalelwa. Ke ndicinga ukuba ukuba nabantu abayivayo loo nto kwaye bayiphile kwaye bayifumane kuya kwenza nawuphi na umsebenzi owenzayo ube nefuthe ngakumbi kwaye ube nentsingiselo kuba eneneni wenza into edibana nabantu abazivayo.

[00:20:45] UCiara O'Brien: Ewe. Ukhankanye ngokufutshane ukubuyiswa kwamalungelo. Ndicinga ukuba ngoko ndicinga ukuba indima yamaziko ngamazwe, nokuba ubukho bawo ngoku bubizwa ngokuba nemibuzo rhoqo ngokubuyisela umva kumalungelo, kodwa nokunyuka kwamaqela achasene namalungelo kwihlabathi jikelele. Ke abachasi bobufazi bathi, kwaye bayayithetha loo nto, jonga, yintoni kanye kanye eyenziwa yimibutho apha kwaye ingaba ikhona into eyenzayo? Ngaba ziluncedo? Ngaba badlala ngemali? Ngaba yi-bureaucracy? Ngoko uthini na abantu ngakwesobunxele nasekunene kwezopolitiko ezithandabuzayo indima yemibutho yamazwe ngamazwe kunye nokuthanda isisa ngokubanzi?

[00:21:31] UDamien Queally: Ewe, ngathi lixesha elitshintshayo kwaye njengoko besitshilo ngaphambili, njengakule minyaka yedijithali, zininzi izinto ezinokuthethwa ngaphandle kokuphendula kuzo konke, nokuba ziyinyani okanye bubuxoki. Njengokuba siye sabona iingxelo zobuxoki ezininzi eziza kumajelo eendaba ezentlalo ezivela kwiinkokeli zezopolitiko kumazwe anamandla kakhulu, uyazi, vele ucele umngeni oko kuyinyani kwakhona.

Kwaye oko kuyaxhalabisa. Ndicinga ukuba kusekho uninzi olubalulekileyo oluqondayo ukuba umanyano lwehlabathi, oluluqilima lwehlabathi lubalulekile kwaye lungundoqo kwaye lulo olusenza abantu. Kwaye uyazi, ngelixa kukho i-ajenda ekhulayo yobuzwe eyenzekayo kumazwe amaninzi kwaye njengoko ubutshilo, abaphambukeli abachasayo kunye nayo yonke enye into, uyazi, ndicinga ukuba, kubaluleke kakhulu ukuba kubekho imiyalezo elula ngakumbi ephumayo malunga nento eyenziwa yimibutho esebenzisa ulwimi oluhambelana nabantu ngamanye amaxesha kwii-NGOs, babambeke kakhulu kwicandelo lethu kunye nesigama sethu kunye nolwimi lwethu lobugcisa. Kwaye ukuba ndithetha nomama.

[00:22:37] UCiara O'Brien: Ukuba ndithetha ngemibutho yamazwe ngamazwe engeyiyo ekarhulumente.

[00:22:41] UDamien Queally: Kanye. Ndicinga ukuba ndithetha nomama malunga nepropathi enqumlayo, angahamba, uthetha ukuthini? Okanye ukuba ndithetha nomama malunga, uyazi, kukho abantu abaninzi ngenxa imo iyatshintsha, ubukhulu becala eqhutywa ngumhlaba osemantla, ikhokelela, uyazi, imbalela eyongezelelekileyo, izikhukula, ukufuduswa kwabantu abaninzi, indlala eyongezelelekileyo. Uyazi, ezi zizinto zokwenyani ezenzekayo kubomi bomntu ngamnye. Kwaye ukuba sinendlela yokunceda ukuxhasa abo bomi kwaye sincede uluntu lwakhe kwakhona emva kwentlekele okanye emva kwezikhukhula okanye nokuba yintoni na, ke, uyazi, sinayo, kukho ubuntu ngaphakathi kwethu obufanele ngokwenene ukuxhasa oko kwaye senze oko sinako ukunceda loo nto. Kakade ke, akuthethi ukuba kufuneka sibalibale nasekhaya abantu. Kufuneka siqinisekise ukuba, uyazi, iinkqubo zasekhaya ezijongana, uyazi, amakhaya asemngciphekweni kunye nabantu abasengozini kunye neemfuno ezikhoyo.

Kwaye. Kodwa nakum ayiyonto leyo. Kufana nokuba sifuna, kufuneka senze zombini kwaye kufuneka sifumane olo lungelelwano ngokufanelekileyo kwaye ke kufuneka nje sinxibelelane nolo tshintsho kwaye sibalise ibali.

Kuba, uyazi, sifuna izikhombisi ezintsonkothileyo zokuya kubaxhasi bethu ukubonisa ifuthe le nto siyenzayo. Libali elahlukileyo ekufuneka silixelele uluntu ngokubanzi. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba ukubonisa la mabali okwenyani, njengoloyiko esilubonayo eGaza alukholeleki kwaphela. Kwaye kukho amazwe amaninzi anemingeni emininzi. IHaiti nemigewu ethatha iintambo kunye nobundlobongela obuphathelele kwezesondo, ukudlwengulwa kwabantwana, kwamantombazana, kwabasetyhini. Uyazi, bubomi bokwenyani obuchatshazelwayo. Kwaye ukuba umntu unokunikela ngento ethile, nokuba kungenxa yokuphembelela urhulumente wabo okanye nokuba kungokubonelela ngenkxaso-mali kwimibutho yasekhaya kunye neeprojekthi zokujongana nezinye zezi mfuno, ngoko ke yinxalenye ephambili yento eyiyo uluntu. Kwaye lumanyano endicinga ukuba kufuneka siqhubeke sibambelele kulo.

Kuba ekugqibeleni lilizwe elinye kwaye sonke sidityanisiwe.

[00:24:31] UCiara O'Brien: Ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo. Kwaye olo nxibelelwano luxhaphake kakhulu ngoku kwiminyaka yakutshanje. Njengoko usitsho, kunye neGaza, sonke sibukele kwiifowuni zethu kwaye ngekhe sibe nayo, ngekhe sibe nayo loo nto kwiingxabano zangaphambili kunye nokubulawa kwabantu kwangaphambili. Ngoko ke kubalulekile ukuba singaboni nje kuphela okwenzekayo, kodwa senze okuthile ngayo, okanye ubuncinane sizame ukwenza okuthile ngayo. Kwaye ndiyakuthanda ukubona iPlan International ngokukhethekileyo ineentlobo ezahlukeneyo zamaqela angaphantsi oluhlobo lomsebenzi kunye ukwabelana ngolwazi kunye nolwazi. Ke ndiyazi ukuba ezinye zetekhnoloji yethu zivela kwiSicwangciso Khanada ofisi. Sinenkqubo yemidiya yoluntu esabelana ngayo ne-PLAN Filipayinzi kunye neeofisi zePlan Liberia. Ke olo hlobo lokwabelana ngolwazi lunika umdla kakhulu, kodwa lukwanjalo, lufanelekile kuba sisebenzisa i-Intanethi enye esetyenziswa yiCwangciso laseKhanada. Ke kutheni singenakwabelana ngesoftware?

Ndiyawuthanda lo myalezo ngokubanzi. Kwaye ke xa sithetha ngale miba yehlabathi, owona mcimbi uphambili we-PLAN ugxile kuwo kule nyanga, ngakumbi, ngo-Okthobha wama-2025, ngumtshato wabantwana. Lowo ngumxholo weNgxelo yeeNtombazana zeHlabathi kulo nyaka. Kwaye umkhankasi kunye noSuku lweHlabathi lweNtombazana lugxile kuloo nto. Ngoko ungathanda ukuxelela.

Xelela abantu ngomba womtshato wabantwana kunye nendlela imibutho yamazwe ngamazwe eyijonga ngayo le nto ngendlela yokuba sithethe noluntu ngokubanzi ukuze abantu bayiqonde le nto siyenzayo?

[00:26:05] UDamien Queally: Ewe, sisihloko esibaluleke kakhulu kwaye senza umsebenzi omninzi malunga noku, ngakumbi kwingingqi yethu yaseAsia nakwilizwekazi liphela laseAfrika, kuba, njengokuba, ukuxhaphaka kuphezulu kakhulu.

Kwaye uyazi, ndina14 abatshana kunye nabatshana. Kwaye uyazi, xa ndandithetha nabanye bosapho lwam ngale nto kwaye ndisithi, uyazi, ukuba ujonga uMaureen, omnye wabatshana bam, uneminyaka eyi-14, esithi ukuba wayengaphakathi. Nayija, angatshata ngoku. Ewe. Kwaye bahamba ngohlobo lokuhamba, yintoni? Hayi, loo nto ayinangqondo. Njengomntwana nje kuphela, usandula ukuqala kwisikolo samabanga aphakamileyo. Kwaye bayahamba, ewe, kodwa kunjalo kwizigidi zamantombazana minyaka le. Kwaye ukuba asithathi manyathelo angxamisekileyo ngakumbi kumntwana kunye nomtshato onyanzeliswayo kwangoko kunye nomanyano, siya kubona enye i-150 yezigidi zamantombazana etshatile ngaphambi kweminyaka eyi-18 nge-2030.

Loo nto ininzi yamantombazana ahlala ephoswa nje emoyeni. Kwaye kuphando esilwenzileyo, njengangaphezu kwekota yamantombazana ebesithetha nawo ebekumntwana, umtshato okanye umanyano, babengenakuzikhethela kuloo nto.

Eso yayisisigqibo esenziwa egameni labo ngabazali okanye umgcini wabo okanye nokuba ngubani na.

Kwaye ngamanye amaxesha kuhla kwintlupheko kuba ababoni enye indlela kubo. Okanye ngamanye amaxesha baye bathi oh, uyayazi ke, usemtsha ngoku, ukuba asimtshatanga, angakhulelwa kungabikho mntu ufuna ukumtshata aze ahlaze umzi okanye. Kuba njengoko besesitshilo ngaphambili, ukuba ababoni enye inketho kulo mfazi uselula eluntwini, ke bathi, ke, uzakuba ngumfazi, kutheni ke ungakwenzi ngoku kunokulinda? Kwaye, uyazi, babona ukuba nje uhlobo lwenkcubeko kunye nezithethe zentlalo. Ke ndicinga ukuba kubaluleke kakhulu ukuba, uyazi, sineengxoxo kuluntu malunga nokubaluleka kokuvumela amantombazana ukuba ahlale esikolweni, kwezo nkalo zamathuba ezoqoqosho kumalungelo abo, uyazi, kuba amazwe ali-15 senze isifundo ngo, imithetho yesizwe yonke ithi umtshato womntwana akukho mthethweni. Kodwa kukho into enye enomthetho, kukuphunyezwa koko kubaluleke kakhulu.

Kwaye imalunga nokuqinisekisa ukuba uphumezo lufikelela kanye kwiindawo ezisezantsi. Imalunga nokubandakanya ezo nkokeli zelali, iinkokeli zenkolo, ootishala, abazali, uluntu ngokubanzi luze luveze lo mkhwa uyingozi. Ukuba oku kokubini ukusuka nje kubomi bomntwana ngokwayo, kodwa kwakhona kukho imiba enkulu ngokwemiqathango zempilo yengqondo, ngokonyango, ukukhulelwa kolutsha kunye neengozi eziza nayo yonke loo nto. Uninzi lwamantombazana awayekuloo mtshato unyanzeliswayo kunye neemanyano zabasebenzi babesithi lincinci igunya lokwenza izigqibo ekhaya. Ukanti ngabona banonopheli abaphambili.

Abafumani nkxaso eluntwini kuba ngoku bathathwa njengempahla yale ndoda kwaye iya kubajongwa ngulo mfo.

Uninzi lwabo luyicacisile indlela abaye baphathwa ngayo kubundlobongela basekhaya kwaye akukho ndlela yokwenyani yokuba benze nantoni na ngaloo nto. Ke kum, kukuwo onke amanqanaba obomi bomntwana kunye nomntu omncinci endicinga ukuba kubaluleke kakhulu ukuba, uyazi, thina, sizama ukuqinisekisa ukuba abatshatanga bancinci, ukuba uluntu lubone amandla kunye nethuba kunye namalungelo abo bantu kwaye sijonge kuyo yonke imfundo yethu kunye nempilo yethu yokuzala ngokwesondo kunye namalungelo kunye nenkqubo yethu yokukhusela kunye nenkqubo yethu yokuqeshwa kolutsha kunye nentshukumo yethu yolutsha, ibangela ukuba le nto ikwazi ukuthetha malunga nengcambu malunga nayo. Kaloku andifuni nombona umtshana wam ona 14 years etshatile. Akukho ngaphezulu, uyazi, umntu waseNiger okanye eIndiya angafuna ukubona umtshana wabo oneminyaka eli-14 ubudala etshatile.

[00:29:42] UCiara O'Brien: Ewe, injalo, yindlela entle kakhulu yokuyibeka ngamanye amaxesha ithatha ukukhomba umntwana okufutshane ukuze enze imfesane yabantu.

Kwaye ke kwakhona ngamanye amaxesha uvelwano lunokuba lunqongophele. Kwaye utsho. Kuba kunjalo.

Kukho umlinganiselo omkhulu wamantombazana athi ayenelizwi okanye ukhetho oluthile kule nto. Kodwa ukuba ucinga ngabo basenokuthi. Enye into endandicinga ukuba inomdla kakhulu kukuba amantombazana athi akhetha ukutshata namasoka awo ukuze abazali babo bangabatshati emva konyaka komnye umntu okanye babe nomfana emva koko abazali babo banyanzelisa ukuba batshate naloo mfana kuba yayilihlazo kakhulu ukuba nobudlelwane obungekho mthethweni. Kodwa nam ke ndicinga ngam 14, 15 kwaye ndicinga ukuba kufuneka utshate nomntu wokuqala othandana naye, kwaye ngokwenyani, ewe, ndakhetha ukuthandana nabo bantu, kodwa ndivuya kakhulu ngoku ukuba anditshatanga kubo. Kwaye lolo hlobo lwento yovelwano ekhoyo, banokuthi, banokuthi lukhetho. Loo nto ayithethi ukuba ngokwenene lukhetho. Loo nto ayithethi ukuba ngokwenene yiloo nto bona, into abanokuyikhetha ngokuzimeleyo kwezi meko.

Ingxelo inomdla kakhulu ukuyifunda kwaye ndiza kuyidibanisa kwinkcazo yepodcast ukuze abantu baye kuzifundela.

[00:31:07] UDamien Queally: Ndicinga ukuba wenze inqaku elifanelekileyo apho ngokwemiqathango yabanye babo baye bangena kuyo kuba yayilukhetho lwabo. Ndicinga ukuba eyona nto ibalulekileyo kule nto kukuba, uyazi, xa uneminyaka eli-15, 16. Ukuqonda ukuba kuthetha ukuthini ukutshata kunye neempembelelo zaloo nto kunye nendlela ubomi obudlala ngayo kweso sithuba, ndicinga ukuba kubaluleke kakhulu. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba inxalenye yaloo mfundo ikwayeyokuba abantu abancinci baqonde imingcipheko yokukhulelwa kwangoko, ngawaphi amalungelo abaya kuba nawo kolo manyano xa bekulo manyano, zeziphi iinkululeko abaya kuba nazo. Ngaba baya kukwazi ukuqhubeka nesikolo? Kaloku abaninzi baye basiyeka isikolo bakuba betshatile. Babengenakuzikhethela. Ke ndicinga ukuba ukuqonda iintsingiselo zayo yinxalenye ephambili yento ekufuneka siyenze ngakumbi.

[00:31:54] UCiara O'Brien: Ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo. Kwaye into eyayinomdla kwingxelo yayikukuba uninzi lwamantombazana ekwaxoxwa nawo aqhawule umtshato, kwaye loo nto awucingi ngayo. Njengokuba, abantu mhlawumbi baya kuva ngomtshato womntwana njengomba wobulungisa kwezentlalo, kodwa uqhawulo-mtshato lwabantwana yinto esingenayo ngokwenene. Ngokwenene suthetha ngayo.

Ngoko nangona kunjalo. Ukuba bakumanyano olungekho sikweni okanye kumanyano olusesikweni, ngaba ikho indlela yokuba baphume kuzo? Kuba ukuba ilizwe linemibutho esemthethweni kuphela ukusuka kwiminyaka eyi-18, ke, awukwazi ukuqhawula umtshato kwi-17.

Ngoko ke. Inika umdla ngokwenene, kwaye ingxelo ifanelekile ukuba ifundwe, ngakumbi kumabali abantu. Kuyathandeka ukuva. Ayithandeki, kodwa iyahlaziya ukuva kumantombazana ngokwawo kunokuba amabali ajikeleze ubomi bawo abangakwaziyo ukulawula.

Ewe. Ke nawuphi na omnye umyalezo wabaphulaphuli njengoko sigqibezela ipodcast yethu namhlanje?

[00:32:54] UDamien Queally: Ndiyacinga.

Ndicinga ukuba kubaluleke kakhulu ukuba sonke sisebenzise ilizwi lethu ngokulungileyo kwaye thina, ngobudala bemithombo yeendaba zentlalo kunye ne-disinformation, kufuneka sibuze yonke into esiyibonayo kwaye siyifundayo kwaye siyijonge kangangoko sinako, kwaye singaphulukani nobuntu kunye nobumbano lwehlabathi, kuba yiloo nto esenza sibe ngabantu kwaye yiloo nto eyenza umhlaba ube yindawo engcono. Ngenye imini ngexesha.

[00:33:22] UCiara O'Brien: Ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo uyavumelana naloo nto. Ndicinga ukuba uvelwano kunye nomdla yindlela eya phambili, kwaye oko kufuna ukusebenzisana.

[00:33:29] UDamien Queally: Ewe, ngokupheleleyo.

[00:33:30] UCiara O'Brien: Kulungile. Enkosi kakhulu, kakhulu ngokuzimanya nathi namhlanje.

[00:33:34] UDamien Queally: Enkosi, Kira. Kumnandi ukuthetha nawe.

[00:33:36] Isithethi A: La ngamazwi akhayo.

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