S3, E16: Makomar Greening Birane: Tattaunawa tare da Angus Cunningham

An samar da wannan kwafin ta hanyar lambobi kuma yana iya ƙunsar wasu kurakurai.

[00:00:12] Jackie De Burca: Hello from rainy Spain today. I’m actually delighted to say we’ve had some rain here in Spain. And I’m also delighted to say that I have a guest that I feel definitely is a bit of a kindred spirit from our chats previous to the interview, a lovely gentleman called Angus Cunningham, who is one of the directors of Scotscape. And you probably going to correct me and say this only yourself do correct me, please, Angus, come in with your own introduction about yourself, both personally and professionally.

[00:00:40] Angus Cunningham: Na gode, Jackie. Na ji dadi ana ruwan sama a fili.

[00:00:44] Jackie De Burca: Daidai.

[00:00:45] Angus Cunningham: A zahiri ana ruwan sama a London a yau kuma. Ruwa mai haske. Yana tunatar da ni kan iyakokin Scotland.

Ina da masu gudanarwa a Scotscape.

Scotscape kamfani ne da aka kafa tun 19 90, 86 lokacin da na fara kafawa a Landan.

Kuma mun tafka sauye-sauye da dama kan shiga tsakani.

A zahiri yana ci gaba har tsawon shekaru 40.

Kuma a yanzu muna kiran kanmu ƙwararrun ƙwararrun ƙwararrun birane. Kuma muna shigar da tsarin kore, dasa shuki mai dorewa a wurare masu wahala a cikin birane. Kuma abin da Scotscape ke yi, shi ke nan.

[00:01:31] Jackie De Burca: An fi sanin ku da. Amma kamar kowa, Angus, dukkanmu muna da namu labarin, ko ba haka ba? Ina tsammanin yana da kyau a kawo labarin da kuka ba ni kafin a yi hira da yadda kuka isa Landan. Kuma yana da ban sha'awa sosai kuma koyaushe ina gaskanta cewa, ka sani, abubuwa sukan ƙare idan muka bi makamashi maimakon yin tsauri game da su.

[00:01:51] Angus Cunningham: Ee, gaskiya ne. Ee. Ee. Nawa

Karshena a Landan bai shirya ba.

Bayan makaranta, na yi marmarin yin aiki a karkara. Ina so in zama mai kula da wasa kuma ko aiki a hukumar gandun daji. Kasancewa nau'in waje kuma an girma a cikin dangin Scotland mai dorewa inda babu abin da ya lalace da balaguron balaguro zuwa babban kanti ya kasance da wuya kuma galibi don kayan masarufi. Amma mun zauna daga ƙasa kuma mun waiwaya, ya kasance, rayuwa ce mai ban mamaki, mai ban sha'awa a cikin iska mai kyau. Amma abin takaici, dole ne in kara ilimi. Don haka na nufi Jami’ar Aberdeen, inda na yi ta fama a fannin ilimi, in gaskiya ne, sai na ji kunya. Yana fama a uni. Na haɗu da waɗanda za su iya yin babban bita da sauri kuma su sami nasarar jarrabawar su. Kuma ni, ba shakka, ya yi aiki tukuru fiye da cewa da koyi abubuwa kusan aku fashion. Sai shekara ta biyu, na gangara zuwa Landan, bayan da na rubuta wa mahaifina wasiƙa cewa, na yi hakuri, amma ina so in je in gwada sa’a a Landan.

Kuma baba ya kasance, ka sani, ya burge ni sosai da na yi jami'a.

Don haka sai na ji na sauke shi ta hanyar buge-buge cikin rabin. A gaskiya ban ce masa ba ni da niyyar komawa. Na rubuta masa na ce, Ina so in yi hutu na shekara a Landan. Kuma bayan shekaru 40 har yanzu ina kan hutu na. Amma na yi ɗan tafiya tun farkon farkon. Lokacin da na tashi, na sauka bas zuwa Landan, na tashi na zauna a benen falon kanwata na samu. To, a gaskiya ban san abin da zan yi ba kuma abin da na sani shi ne aiki a waje da aikin lambu. Fort sheet yana Victoria kuma na sami aiki a Asibitin Royal, Chelsea, wanda ke kusa da kusurwa inda na yi aikin koyon aikin shekara guda.

Kuma farkona kenan. Dukanmu mun shiga mararraba, ko ba haka ba? Kuma waiwaye kuma, kun sani, wannan ƙwarewar jami'a ta kasance mararraba domin na ɗan yi kaɗan lokacin da nake wurin, amma azaba a Landan. Don haka, eh, kuma aikin lambu ne saboda ban san wasu ƙwarewa ba kuma ina son aikin waje. Don haka abin ya zama mafari a gare ni.

[00:04:28] Jackie De Burca: Ina sha'awar, a fili, tarihin ku, iyaye masu ɗorewa a Scotland kuma, kun sani, duk wannan tafiya. Tambaya guda ɗaya a gare ku, saboda tana da cikakkiyar dacewa ga sauran baƙi da yawa kuma ina fata mai kyau bit na masu sauraro. Kuna jin daban lokacin da kuke waje? Kuma yaya zai kasance a gare ku, Angus, idan kun makale? Babu shakka muna yin rikodin kuma kana ciki, amma, ka sani, gaba ɗaya, idan aikinka ya ƙunshi kasancewa a ciki, kamar yawancin ma'aikatan ofis, ta yaya hakan zai kasance a gare ku?

[00:04:56] Angus Cunningham: Mai ban tsoro.

Ba zan iya ba. Mantra na ne. Ba na son yin aiki a babban kamfani ko a ofis. Kuma na tura su biyun tare. Ina tsammanin ya canza yanzu tun COVID amma a, amma ni, ka sani, da gaske, an haife ni a tsakiyar babu kuma yanzu da aka yi magana da kyau game da cewa muna da alaƙa da yanayi, muna da ƙarfi. ga yanayi. Wannan shi ne abin da ke tuki wani bangare na abin da ke jan yanayi zuwa cikin garuruwanmu. Domin, ka sani, bayan Covid, lokacin da aka bar mu, ba ma so mu je mu bi babban titi. Mun so mu shiga wani wuri mai koren wanda, ka sani, ya tabbatar da batun. Don haka, eh, ni mutum ne a waje. Ya kasance koyaushe, koyaushe zai kasance.

Abin takaici, dole ne mu yi ɗan lokaci kaɗan kuma dole ne mu yi. Dole ne a tsara mu amma, eh, ina tsammanin ina bugun 60 yanzu. To, ni dan shekara 60 ne kuma ina ganin nan gaba ita ce, da zarar sana’ar ta ci gaba da gudana cikin nasara, zan daina yin abin da na yi a waje domin a nan ne nake sha’awar yin.

[00:06:12] Jackie De Burca: I’m going to give you a compliment now because I can actually see you. Even though this is a podcast we do have cameras on. I’m saying that for the benefit of the audience, you look younger than 60. And actually, a number of people that I’ve met in the last few months who are generally working with nature look younger than their age. So you can take that as a comment.

[00:06:31] Angus Cunningham: Oh, can za ku tafi. Na gode. Na gode, Jackie. Ina godiya.

[00:06:35] Jackie De Burca: Ko ta yaya, komawa ga ainihin aikin, me yasa yake da mahimmanci a gare ku?

[00:06:41] Angus Cunningham: Yana da mahimmanci a gare ni. Yana da mahimmanci a farkon tafiyata a Landan saboda batun rayuwa ne.

Ban san me zan yi ba.

Yana da mahimmanci a gare ni saboda ina so in tsaya da kaina 2ft kuma ba ni da wasu ƙwarewa, ba ni da wasu kayan aiki.

It’s become as a business has morphed and changed over the. Over the 40 years. We started as a landscape maintenance company because that’s what I view. We grew into domestic landscaping, commercial landscaping, living walls, green roofs. We’ve been through the whole. The whole gambit and it’s important to me now.

Zan ce in bar gado, amma ba haka ba ne da gaske. Yana da mahimmanci saboda ana buƙata. Kuma ina zaune a wani birni, abokaina, wanda aka taba a kan gida, har yanzu sun kasa yarda da cewa na tafi London na zauna a London.

Amma wannan shine. Ina zaune a cikin birni kuma idan kun shiga cikin garuruwan da ba ku ga wani kore ba kuma kuna jin ƙazanta, to, ya kamata mu yi wani abu game da shi.

Kashi 70% na yawan jama'a za su kasance a cikin birane nan da 2050 kuma muna buƙatar sanya su mafi ɗorewa da wuraren da za su zauna, aiki da wasa. Biranen da suke da mahimmanci, suna tafiyar da tattalin arziki. Inda dama ke nan. Shi ya sa na zo birni, domin ban san ko menene damar da za ta samu ba. Amma a nan ne damar ke faruwa. Yana da matukar mahimmanci don sanya garuruwanmu lafiya da dorewa da kore. Muna bukatar mu kawo bambancin halittu a ciki saboda za mu zauna a nan kuma mun kasance masu taurin kai ga yanayi. Muna buƙatar samun yanayi don yin aiki a cikin birane.

I suppose there’s an entrepreneurial bit that’s important as well, because the challenge is in cities. There’s few places to plant, but there’s lots of. In the soil horizontally, but vertically there’s loads of space. So that’s. That’s kind of the entrepreneurial side. Well, how do we get plants to work on the size of buildings on top of buildings? Well, the size are more challenging. Well, we need to put a bit of technology there. We need some thought. And that’s fun because you could, you could the entrepreneurial appetite, and if you’re solving a meaningful problem with a simple and effective solution, well, then that’s what makes entrepreneurs tick, and it’s for the greater good. I’m not sure we can say we’re going to save the planet by bringing a little biodiversity into cities, but we’re certainly helping the war restaurants. So that I think there’s a bit of a jumbled answer. But the importance of what I do was different at different stages of my life, but right now it’s super important because we need to. Climate change is a big problem, but the lack of biodiversity is a bigger problem. Without biodiversity, we wouldn’t have any food, we wouldn’t have any fresh air or clean water. So, last point in this, there’s a chap called Jonas Salk, a well known American immunologist. We said that if all the insects were to disappear within 50 years, all life and Earth would end. If we were to disappear within 50 years, the planet would look amazing. But the irony is we wouldn’t be here to enjoy it.

[00:10:14] Jackie De Burca: Lallai, da gaske. Kuma dangane da bacewar kwari, na samu doki wanda ya mutu a karshen shekarar da ta gabata, amma ya dade a baya. Kuma a zahiri duk shekara, gwajin lodin kwari shi ne dokin nan, domin kuwa Allah Ya yi masa rahama, kudaje sun kewaye shi a tsawon lokacin rani, kuma kowace shekara sai kara raguwa suke yi. Don haka, ka sani, muna rayuwa a cikin wannan lokaci mai ban tsoro da ƙalubale, ko ba haka ba?

[00:10:42] Angus Cunningham: Iya. Ee. Kuna tuna lokacin da muke samari, Jackie? Na san kun cika ƙanana da ni.

[00:10:47] Jackie De Burca: Madalla, da gaske.

[00:10:48] Angus Cunningham: Tasirin allo ne. Lokacin da muke tuƙi a ko'ina, matar gilashin tana da launi da gaske saboda gilashin gilashin da aka watsar da hankali.

[00:10:57] Jackie De Burca: Ee, shi ke nan.

[00:10:59] Angus Cunningham: Lokacin da kake magana da bayan gilashin, mutane ba su san abin da kuke magana akai ba. Yana da ban tsoro. Akwai bege, ko da yake. Wannan ba hira ce ta halaka ba.

[00:11:07] Jackie De Burca: A'a.

[00:11:08] Angus Cunningham: Yanayin yana da juriya sosai. Sai dai mu kyale shi mu bar shi ya dawo, kuma ina ganin akwai lokaci domin mun san da shi a yanzu kuma mafi kankantar ’ya’yana da ’ya’yansu ne za su samu babbar dama, amma ana yi. ilimi game da shi yanzu. Zamaninmu ya kasance. Mun ji barazana ta yanayi. Yanke baya, gyara, tsara gefuna na gwiwa, kori shi daga cikin garuruwanmu. Zamani, na kasance kamar, shigo da shi, shigo da shi, muna bukata.

[00:11:36] Jackie De Burca: Ee, da gaske. Yanzu. Don haka kawai rana ta musamman ta Scotscape. Menene hakan zai kasance, Angus, a halin yanzu, yanzu da kai ne, ka sani, sigar Scott scape cewa kai ne kwanakin nan.

[00:11:47] Angus Cunningham: Oh, Allahna.

Na kasance farkon farkon, don haka na tashi a 5530.

Kwakwalwa ta tana aiki mafi kyau a wancan lokacin na yini. Don haka na shigo aiki, na yi ƙoƙari a tsara ni da abin da na samu. Kasuwancin ya girma sosai, don haka ba ni da hannu kai tsaye. Baya ga kasancewa shugaban mutum, ina tsammanin, kasuwanci, mutumin gaba wanda ke da sha'awar sha'awa da tuki kuma ba ya tsoratar da sanya kai sama da parapet akan LinkedIn.

Dole ne a tsara ni. Akwai tarukan gudanarwa. Muna da kuɗin kanmu, don haka muna buƙatar samun kuɗi don tsira. Ba mu da babban kamfani wanda ke noman kuɗi a cikin Scottsdale don ci gaba da ci gaba kuma wannan shine ɗayan manyan ƙalubalen mu.

Muna bukatar mu gudanar da kasuwanci mai nasara domin mu yi kyakkyawan abin da muke yi. Kuma yana da matukar wahala. Gudanar da kasuwanci mai nasara.

Ba abu mai sauƙi ba ne idan kuna da ma'aikata da yawa, kuna da dokoki masu yawa, da yawa.

Ina tsammanin idan wasu sun tambaye ni da suka yanke shawarar tafiya wannan hanyar ta aikin kai, kamar yadda nake yi, ina tunani a hankali domin da na san irin kalubalen da zai kasance, da alama ba zan taba farawa ba.

Amma akwai kuma, iri ɗaya ne ga yawancin tafiye-tafiye. Ka fara tafiya, dole ne ka magance abin da ya zo. Amma tare da gudanar da kasuwanci, kuna buƙatar fara zuwa ku nemo aikin, don haka ya kasance daga baya. Sannan sai ka aiwatar da aikin da riba sannan ka tara kudin idan daya daga cikin wadannan abubuwa uku bai faru ba, ka samu matsala. Kuma wannan shine abin da na kwatanta a matsayin faranti a ƙarshen sanda. Don haka duk waɗancan faranti suna buƙatar su kasance suna juyawa koyaushe. Idan ɗayansu ya faɗi, kasuwancin ku zai kasance cikin haɗari. Don haka yana da wahala kuma kuna hulɗa da taurari da yawa kuma mutane da ’yan adam ba su da tsinkaya kuma suna da duk ranaku masu kyau, suna da ranaku mara kyau, don haka yana da ƙalubale kuma ina tsammanin, eh, haka kowa. Wato ina ganin kowa zai iya gudanar da sana’a, amma don samun kudi, gudanar da sana’ar ba zai yi kasa a gwiwa ba ne kawai idan kudi ya kare, domin yana da sauki wajen yin ayyuka da sarrafa kaya da yin hakan. Amma idan ba ku sami kuɗi ba, ba za ku sami kasuwanci ba. Don haka.

Kuma kasuwanci zai yi kasala ne kawai idan ba shi da kudi.

And it’s difficult. It’s difficult, and it’s a competitive environment, just to add. Anyway. So going back to what I do, I have to manage all these various aspects and make sure that all are functioning. And if there is a. And there’s not so much job satisfaction in that, because you tend to go where there’s a problem and where there’s a problem, there’s some adrenaline. You have to sort of think that. I love the front end. I love talking about what we do. I like being innovative. I love being an entrepreneur.

Ina son ganin kaya, samfuran mu a can suna yin kyau.

Don haka wannan shine nau'in na yin, Yang dina shine guts na kasuwanci. Kuma zan gaya muku abin da, kuma gudanar da kasuwanci, kamar yadda na kai 60, ba ku da kuzari sosai. Dan kasuwa mai nasara yana buƙatar nauyin kuzari koyaushe, musamman lokacin da kuka fara sanya waɗannan faranti akan sanduna. Ba za ku iya zama kawai ku bar abin ya faru ba. Dole ne ku ci gaba da turawa. Don haka ina fata na amsa tambayar, Jackie.

[00:15:24] Jackie De Burca: Ee, a'a, wannan cikakke ne. Kuma ina tsammanin abin da zan so in yi yanzu, saboda kun kasance masu gaskiya da gaskiya game da gaskiyarsu kuma, kun sani, komai. Duk abin da ka faɗi gaskiya ne, Angus. Amma ina tsammanin abin da nake so in yi shi ne mayar da hankali ga wasu mafi kyawun sassan kasuwanci. Kawai sanya nitty gritty gefe guda don lokacin. Kuma bari mu yi magana game da daya ko biyu daga cikin ayyukanku a cikin shekara ta ƙarshe ko biyu, ko duk abin da ya zo a zuciya. Ayyukan da kuka fi so waɗanda kuka yi. Bari mu yi magana game da waɗannan kuma mu mai da hankali kan wani abu mai daɗi sosai.

[00:15:57] Angus Cunningham: Yana dasa shuki. Muna zaune. Na fara ci karo da rayuwa. An san mu da bangon rayuwarmu. Yanzu wannan shine sha'awata. Don haka gyaran lambun, gyaran shimfidar wuri na kasuwanci, kula da kasuwanci, mun ragu lokacin da ba mu yi ba. Kuma yana ba mu damar mai da hankali kan shigo da sabbin samfuranmu cikin birane. Don haka ya fara da bangon rai. Kuma muna siyan daga gidan gandun daji mai suna Aldenborn, tsire-tsire masu yawa. Sai na gangara can, wannan. Mun yi nauyi a cikin babban aikin gyara shimfidar wuri, don haka na yi tunanin zan gangara in gan su a can, domin ban sadu da su da kaina a wannan gidan gandun daji. Kuma yana da ɗan facin falon bango a gininsa. Na yi tunani, ya Allahna, za ka iya sanya tsire-tsire a kan gini, domin kafin nan hawa ne. Kuna so ku sanya tsire-tsire, kun shuka a cikin ƙasa kuma ku hau.

I did get that rush of adrenaline. I thought, that’s just incredible. And the entrepreneur was going, yeah, can make money out of this. So that was my interest. 2008, they, Audingborne had brought this system in from North America. It was called by a company, they were called elevated landscape technology, and it was a plastic tray that had plants in it and you applied irrigation to it. The plants were grown. So that evolves from 2008 to now. We’ve had. We’ve moved on, but we’re still involved with living walls. We’ve got a different system that we work with. But the project that really floated my boat was when we were walking around in a London with Grover, and they were really keen to get some green into their patch of London commercially. Property prices would go up and rental incomes would go up. So there’s a commercial angle, obviously, that drives most products.

Amma Grosvenor ya so a gan shi, kuma har yanzu yana son a gan shi a matsayin mai koren kore a Landan. Sun mallaki kadada 300 na manyan gidaje a tsakiyar London. Mafi wayo a Landan, ina tsammanin hangen nesan su shine za mu so masu ababen hawa su sake yin amfani da su ta hanyar facin mu don samun kuɗi mai yawa. Don haka mun yi farin ciki sosai game da zagayawa don ganin inda za mu iya sanya bangon rai. Duk ranar tafiya. Ba za mu iya samun wallace guda ɗaya da za mu saka greenery ba saboda da aka jera awards ginin party bango matsala matsalar samun ruwa ga shuke-shuke, matsalar samun ruwa daga kasa sosai. Tsofaffin gine-gine da yawa waɗanda ba za ku iya saka su ba.

Don haka sai muka dan karaya. Amma lokacin da fitilar fitilar ta fito daga wannan baƙin ciki, saboda muna tsaye a kan titi mai cike da jama'a, muna tunanin, wannan shara ne.

Ba za ku iya shuka ba. Ba za ku iya shuka a cikin lafazin ba saboda wuraren da ke tafiya a ƙasa ne. Akwai ayyuka da yawa da yawa a ƙarƙashin duwatsun shimfidar. Ba za ku iya shuka layuka ba saboda na zirga-zirga ne.

Oh, akwai fitilar fitila. Menene ya faru idan kun sanya dasa shuki akan fitila? Kuma sai ya yi tunani, saboda tsarinmu da muke amfani da shi ana kiransa phytotextile, masana'anta ne. Don haka sassauƙa sosai. To, eh, za mu iya nannade wancan a kusa da ma'aunin fitilar. Kuma menene ya faru idan muka sanya tanki a ƙasa kuma a zahiri mu nannade wancan a jikin fitilar? Hakazalika, don haka ruwan yana zaune a can kuma za mu iya yin famfo shi har zuwa saman kuma an shuka ra'ayin.

And from that, we developed our concept called the living pillar. And it’s been designed to go on lampposts, sustainable long term planting, powered by solar with tech in it. It’s tech that we use on living walls. It’s not brand new tech, but powered by solar is new. So we can communicate with the lamp post and we can make sure the parts are receiving the correct amount of water. AI, or clever software that manages the irrigation system. Because the city climate is not conducive to good plant health, you need to put water on at the right times and the right amount. So the living pillar concept was born. And I just love it. I love it because it’s innovative, it’s entrepreneurial, it solves a problem.

They’re definitely not there to replace trees. I am a tree hugger. I came out about this about ten years ago, climbed so many trees in my life. I love trees. But the challenge is you can’t plant trees in cities or certain cities, because there’s no room in the pavement to plant them. And more than that, councils are very concerned about root damage, etc, etcetera. So, trees are fantastic crate shade that can absorb pollution or disperse pollution, but the living pillar is to be put up where you can’t plant trees. And in my mind’s eye, I’ve got biodiversity corridor. Every city has been designed around roads and transport. Every road has lampposts.

So if you can put long term planting on lampposts, you can join up green spaces, you can bring some of the countryside in. And when I say biodiversity corridor, I’m not meaning wildebeest charging through the streets. We’re talking invertebrates, pollinators and birds will follow them, and we’ve shown that half that can happen. But, yeah, so the invertebrates can use the lamppost as feeding stations, another service stations. But in my entrepreneurial start in London, I made up hanging baskets in Victoria and hung around some pots, and it was good money and great fun, and I’m a fan.

Kuma kwandon rataye wata sabuwar hanya ce ta kawo kore a cikin wani wuri inda in ba haka ba ba za ku iya shuka ba. Kuma sun kasance har abada. Kuma iyayena sun sanya su, a cikin ƙaramin ƙauyenmu.

Amma idan ka zo ga bambancin halittu, ba su da kyau, saboda tsire-tsire suna canza sau ɗaya ko sau biyu a shekara. Don haka duk wani invertebrates da ke kafa tsarin rayuwa, ana kashe su lokacin da tsire-tsire suka canza. Ganin cewa idan za ku iya ci gaba da dasa shuki na dogon lokaci, wato, a kan fitilar fitila, ko a wurin ginin. Ba dole ba ne ya zama fitilar fitila.

Kuna iya ƙarfafa invertebrates su rataye a can. Ta hanyar dasa shuki na shekara-shekara sabanin dasa shuki na shekara-shekara akan fitilar fitila, kuna samun fa'ida mai yawa na pollinators kuma hakan yana da mahimmanci kuma. Don haka.

Sannan zagayowar rayuwa na iya faruwa. Mu. Muna rataye kwalayen kwari da tsuntsaye akan ginshiƙan masu rai. Babban sako ne ga jama'a. Abin da suke game da shi ke nan, amma kuma amfaninsu. Don haka, um. Wannan. Don haka dogon labari a can, amma cewa gaba ɗaya m game da. Mun kasance. An tuntube mu da lambar yabo ta Earthshot, gasar Yarima William, wanda ya ba da shawarar mu sanya kanmu gaba, wanda muka yi. Don haka za mu jira mu ji a 2024. Kuma a kasuwanci, mun yi rajistar alamar kasuwanci kuma muna da haƙƙin mallaka na ƙasa da ƙasa.

[00:23:03] Jackie De Burca: Me kuke da shi na duniya?

[00:23:05] Angus Cunningham: Patent yana jiran.

[00:23:06] Jackie De Burca: Madalla.

[00:23:07] Angus Cunningham: Mun nema. Yana ɗauka har abada. Patent da alama yana da rikitarwa sosai, musamman bayan Covid, a cikin wannan duniyar ta fasaha, saboda mun ƙirƙira wasu fasahohin da ke da hannu wajen ci gaban tsirrai masu lafiya.

Don haka yana da ban sha'awa saboda saboda haka kuna iya ganin dalilin da yasa yake da ban sha'awa. Za mu iya samun wasu kuɗi daga ciki, za mu iya kawo bambancin halittu a ciki, za mu iya magance matsala.

Kuma na yi kyau, Jackie, bayan duk waɗannan shekarun na zama mai lambu.

[00:23:38] Jackie De Burca: Madalla. Yanzu, Angus, menene game da net game da bambancin halittu? Domin kuna magana a fili game da, kun sani, damar ku da abin da kuka ƙirƙira.

Shin kun kasance a cikin hakan? Domin, lafiya, yana da farkon kwanaki, amma muna da fasaha mafita, muna da yawa, kamar, mutane irin damuwa game da yadda za a yi aiki fita, amma, ka sani, mai yiwuwa za ka iya taimaka a can kuma.

[00:24:02] Angus Cunningham: Yeah. So that big for our market, a massive biodiversity net gain. But for those who don’t know it, it’s now a law that says if a developer is developing a plot of land, they’ve got to demonstrate they’re going to increase the biodiversity of that plot of land by a minimum of 10% over 35 years, mind you. So they’ve got a long time to do it. A minimum of $0.10. They won’t get planning permission unless they can demonstrate that they are able to increase the biodiversity net gain of that plot of land. Some councils are saying 20%, which is fantastic. But what their challenge is, they’re now running around thinking, oh, my God, how are we going to do this?

If you think about it, if you’ve got a footprint of land 20 meters by 20 meters, you’re going to put a building on 90% of that land. So the bit that’s left, you’ve got to increase the biodiversity by 100% because you’ve taken out a big rectangle in the middle. So that’s a challenge for the developers.

They’ve got three options. One, they put the green into that plot on the building, around the building, they buy biodiversity credits from the council, from the government, which means that they pay quite a lot of money, and the government then spends their money on some biodiversity project, or they get off site credits where they buy a patch of land somewhere in the countryside and they demonstrate that the biodiversity they couldn’t put into their development can actually happen on that plot of land. But I’m finding, so, as you can imagine, huge for our industry, because we all talked about it, but unless the developers have a sharp stick prodding them long, they’ve never do it because it costs the money. They don’t make so much and their shareholders get annoyed. So it is huge for our industry and just what was needed, and just in manipulation time.

Don haka wannan shine riba mai yawa na biodiversity, abin da ke haifar da korewar birane. Ina ganin bambancin halittu ya fi na wajen garuruwa, domin idan mai ci gaba yana tasowa a cikin gari, da ɗanɗano nau'in halittun da za a fara da shi. Don haka ba za su iya ba. Suna da aiki mai sauƙi, ka sani, suna ƙaruwa da kashi 10%. Yana iya dafa ɗan shuka kaɗan a ciki. Don haka ga garuruwa, muna da ma'anar korewar birni, wanda wani nau'in fa'ida ne na ribar ɗimbin halittu, wanda shine ma'auni, ana iya aunawa. Don haka akwai tsarin maki da ma'auni. Ya shafi wuraren zama da ciyayi da wuraren ciyayi da nau'ikan ciyayi. Misali, idan kun sanya lawn mai kyau a ciki, ba ku da maki. Idan kun sanya makiyayar wutar daji, kuna samun, ina tsammanin 0.7 na .1 shine matsakaicin. Kuna sanya bishiyoyi ko ruwa a ciki, ba yanayin ruwa ba. Tare da tafkin magini na chlorine, kuna samun matsakaicin matsayi. Don haka akwai tsarin saka maki. Don haka wannan shine wanda muke ƙara samu a duniyarmu ta ɗimbin halittu da mutuwar 'yar'uwa. A mayar da hankali a kan tanda kore factor. Kuma ina tsammanin cewa mai tsarki idan ka ce ma mai ci gaba yana son ci gaba tare, ka ce, idan ka yi wannan, wannan da wannan, ga batunka, za ka iya ci gaba. Za su ce, ee, tafi.

Kuma wannan shine tsattsauran ra'ayi yana mai da sabbin ginshiƙan rayuwa ko bangon rayuwa zuwa maki. Wannan yana taimaka. Kuma na ce, idan wani yana neman samun shawara ta sana'a, ya zama masanin ilimin halitta ko mai shuka. Zan ce mai tsiro, mai tsiro.

Knowing your plants and what they do is so in the early days of Scotscape, when we had the maintenance round and tools on the tubes, I explained earlier we got into commercial landscaping for a developer to get permission to put landscaping up. The landscape architect would draw a bit of grass, a tree, a shrub, and that would be enough. Now we’ve been asked for how much nitrogen dioxide do those plants trap? How much biodiversity do they bring in? How much do they cost to maintain? How much carbon is sequestered, how many particulates are being absorbed? What does it look like at this time? What’s it huge? Absolutely. And so right and so necessary. So the biodiversity net gain being a shot of adrenaline in the arm of greening into cities. So fantastic for our industry. But I do add, we’ve got environmental, social governance, which is. Is also big, especially the e, the environmental s, the social, local employment. So if you’re putting fancy green in and it needs watering, then you’re getting some employment going there. B Corp status is another one, another standard about sustainability. But you know what I think, Jackie? The biggest driver is the consumer. And so the developer puts the building up and says, oh, I can’t put any green here. I have to do it off site. I don’t think people will move in because they want to be around green. So the bigger driver is you and me, who are deciding what they want to get involved with or buy. And if there’s more green there, you’re more likely to buy. I think the developer knows that.

[00:29:15] Jackie De Burca: Wannan wani abu ne da na tattauna da sauran baƙi, a zahiri, a tarihi, ka sani, samun ƙasa yana da alaƙa da wadata da walwala.

And now with the meta crisis that we’re all living through at the moment, people who weren’t maybe that knowledgeable about this, they’re really realizing it. So it’s highly desirable. So you’re absolutely correct. And right now, bNG only applies in England since the 12 February 2024. Of course, as I’m aware from guests and just seeing stuff online and so on, there’s a lot of the world are watching England to see how this is going to go. What you said about the urban greening, obviously, massively, massively important as well. So it’s kind of like a watch this space, really, isn’t it?

[00:30:02] Angus Cunningham: Haka ne. Singapore tana kan gaba tare da Green na Moscow kuma ku duba.

Amma ba da daɗewa ba yamma ta gaya mini cewa muna yin aiki mai kyau tare da Westminster kuma muna ƙoƙarin zama a Westminster, cewa duk manyan biranen suna kallon juna su ga abin da suke ciki. Ina tsammanin New York, Paris, Milan, Tokyo da London ne. Ban sani ba. Ban san daga ina suka fito ba, manyan biyar. Sai suka kalli juna suka ce, me kuke yi don kawo sauyi? Me kuke yi? Don haka akwai 'yar kwarjini a ciki dangane da hakan. A'a, mun sami mafi kyawun hanyar da za mu kawo kore a ciki, kuma wannan kyakkyawar gasa ce mai lafiya. Musamman. Muna London, tsakiyar duniya. Bai kamata in faɗi haka ba. Da yake dan Scotland.

ina yi Na dade a nan.

On the last question. Biodiversity net game urban greenhouse B Corp status, environmental and social governance. Just quickly, on the, on the ESG, we. I have a good. The big players, the corporates, this is sort of touching on greenwashing, want to be seen to be doing green. And the company shall remain nameless. But I know someone quite high up in a manufacturing company, the manufacturer shirts. And he said to me, he knows what I do. He said, oh, we’re really green.

Muna dasa bishiyoyi masu yawa. Na yi tunani, hakan yayi kyau. Ina son bishiyoyi

Me ZE faru? Ku gaya mani game da shi. Ya ce, da kyau, muna biyan kamfani a can don shuka bishiyoyi a Kudancin Amurka.

Na ce, me ya sa ka yi haka? Suka ce, da kyau, saboda yana da arha da yawa kuma muna samun ƙarin kuɗin kuɗin mu. Kuma me ya sa ba ku dasa su a kasar nan? Bonkers.

Sun dan canja kadan. Sannan mun shiga wasu abubuwa. Don haka. Kuma za su kasance marasa suna. Na yi tunani, wannan shi ne muhalli. Gudanar da zamantakewa yana da mahimmanci. Kasuwannin kuɗi za su fi dacewa su ɗauki bayanin kula da saka hannun jari a cikin wanda ke da ƙima mai girma. Don haka ina tsammanin wannan shine babban babban direba ga manyan 'yan wasan da suke son zama kore. Ina nufin, na ce wa wannan mutumin, me ya sa ba ka dasa bishiyoyi a makarantu? Saboda Scottsdale suna shiga cikin gandun daji, a cikin amfani da hanyar Miyawaki. Yana kan gidan yanar gizon mu inda kuke shuka bishiyoyi sosai tare da shirye-shiryen ƙasa masu wayo. Mun kai ziyara sau ɗaya, a zahiri dabaru ne, ƙarancin fasaha ne. Da zarar ka shuka shi, kana tashi da gudu. Na ce, me ya sa ba ku dasa dazuzzuka a makarantu? Saboda ƙananan gandun daji da muka dasa a Islington, mun sami makarantar da za ta dasa itatuwa da kuma sanya tsutsotsi a cikin birni. Yara suna son shi.

Because if you, mister corporate, say, oh, I’m spending all this money in South America, we’re not getting the benefit of it. And basically, as far as I’m telling you, ticking a box, if you planted in a school, we can educate the school kids. You get a forest in an inner city because these forests can maybe be a tennis court size or a bit smaller.

Kuna samun duk carbon. A'a, bishiyoyi suna da girma, kamar yadda muka sani. Ba ma son shuka itace. Kun samu Kowa yayi nasara. Yara suna samun ilimi. Ana ganin ana mayarwa. Ana ganin kuna yin kyau.

Za mu ƙara bishiyoyi a ciki. Sannan ta hanyar amfani da wata ‘yar manhaja da ake kira bishiyar ido, wacce magajin garin Landan ke amfani da ita, za ka iya samar da dukkan wadannan bayanai kan irin kyawun da itatuwan ke yi ta hanyar tarko barbashi masu shakar iskar Carbon, da bin diddigin nitrogen dioxide, bin diddigin carbon monoxide, gaba daya gambit. Kuma shi ma. Ee, ban sani ba, abin takaici ne. Babban.

Ba zan canza tunanin babban kamfani ba, amma bai da ma'ana a gare ni yin duk abin da ke da kyau. Babu shakka, za su iya zuwa su yi a Spain. Jackie, na san kana da sha'awa a sassan Spain, don haka. Amma a'a, da gaske, wauta ce kawai.

Ku kashe kuɗin ku a ƙasar nan.

[00:34:05] Jackie De Burca: Lallai. Lallai. Yanzu, wata tambaya, Angus, wanda ya zo a cikin raina shine me ya sa kuke aiki a birane kawai?

[00:34:15] Angus Cunningham: Ee, tambaya mai kyau.

Ina ganin gajeriyar amsar ita ce, domin ina zaune a nan kuma ina son kai.

Ina zaune a nan. Ina zaune a daya, ina zaune a Landan.

Ni ɗan ƙasa ne na shekarun haihuwata har zuwa 20, lokacin da na nufi London, an shafe ni a kudancin tuddai, tsaunukan daji suna gudana a fadin Scotland. Kuma a kullum ina ganin kaina a matsayin mai kula da gidaje a wancan zamanin, na sare itatuwan da suka koma dasa. Biranen sune inda na ambata wannan a farkon inda yawancin jama'a ke karuwa da kuma inda nake zaune, inda dama suke. Suna tafiyar da tattalin arziki, don haka suna da mahimmanci, da gaske. Kuma yawan jama'a yana karuwa kuma wannan haɓaka yana tafiya zuwa birane. Don haka ba su ne mafi kyawun wuraren zama daga ra'ayi na gurɓataccen iska da kuma ra'ayi na kore. Don haka muna aiki a birane saboda a nan ne damar da ake da ita. A nan ne za mu sami mafi kyawun akwatin mu kuma mu kawo canji cikin sauri.

Kuma yana yin la'akari da akwatunan sabbin abubuwa da na kasuwanci. Kuma ina ganin a karkara akwai wani babban kalubale. Daya ne kawai daga cikinmu, kuma idan muka yada kanmu sosai, ba za mu je ko'ina ba. Amma, eh, ƙauyen wani babban ƙalubale ne. Don haka muna cikin birni.

A nan ne muke aiki da kuma inda za mu iya yin mafi kyau cikin sauri.

[00:35:42] Jackie De Burca: Mun riga mun yi magana game da ginshiƙan rayuwa, amma kuna da wasu sabbin abubuwa. Angus, kuna son yin magana game da waɗannan.

[00:35:49] Angus Cunningham: Yes, I think the microforest that I’ve just mentioned is a big one for me because it uses low tech and it means planting trees, which I’m passionate about. And bear in mind our innovative staff, although it resonates with me in the business and it does a lot of good, we’re having to be innovative because there’s no west bark trees, but where you’ve got a corner of a park or a patch of green you can plant. I mean, the word forest is a bit romantic, isn’t it? But they’re not. They’re called microforests, but really they’re copses or spinnies of trees, often no bigger than a tennis court size. You get all the ecology growing in a tennis court size. We use the miawaki method. Akira Miyawaki, a bit like Patrick Blanc, was for living walls. An entrepreneur who pushed the boundaries. Akira Miyawaki pushed a boundary stuff. His sort of mission on raison d’etre of being on this planet was to get trees to grow well in very poor soil. And he developed a methodology of planting trees very densely close together. He would excavate the area down to maybe 500 mil, 50 in old money, get local rotten foodstuffs that have been chopped out, lay it in the bottom, push all the soil back, plant very small trees very closely together, mulch it with. It was straw in those days that you can use. Use the bark mulch and then just let it. Let nature take over. And that. That resonated with me because I’ve done it at home. I’ve hung some living wall panels on the side of my property with wheat treated compost in there and said, nature, just go do what, do your worst with it. And I’ve got cherry trees growing out of it. I’ve got ferns. I’ve got a whole wide range of what we would call weeds. That’s. Oh, no, I think.

But it’s green. So nature has dropped the green in. So with the microforest, it’s the same thing. We kick start nature. It’s kind of town rewilding or city rewilding. And rewilding is a marathon starting with a sprint. So you put a lot of energy in to plant the tree, and then you just let it be. You just let nature take over. So the twist we’ve done the sort of entrepreneurial, innovative thing we’ve done with our microforest. We don’t dig up the soil because that’s very labor intensive. It releases carbon into the air and it’s costly. So what we’ve done, and again, you can’t go on our website and have a look. We’ve got a case study. We inject high pressure air into the area to break up the subsoil. Then using the same needle, injection needle. It’s a method using. For decompacting around trees to help root spread. So then using the same needle will pump in biochar, organic nutrients and mycorrhiza. And they will keep the fissures open and provide all the goodness that a forest needs, needs. And then we’ll spread approximately 150 mil depth of mineral and rich topsoil over the whole area. So there’s no digging whatsoever. And in that, that top layer of soil, which is very friable and easy to plant into, we plant cell grown trees.

Yanzu, akwai dalilai da yawa a kan hakan, amma babban abu shine muna samun gagarumar nasara tare da bishiyoyi masu girma saboda tushen baya lalacewa.

Na biyu, za mu iya.

[00:39:15] Jackie De Burca: To, bari in shiga ciki. Bari in shiga can, Angus. Sunan waɗannan bishiyoyi, kuma, tantanin halitta girma.

[00:39:20] Angus Cunningham: Don haka sun girma. Hanya ce ta shuka bishiyoyi. Ana shuka su a cikin ƙananan tukwane, kamar akwatin kwai.

[00:39:28] Jackie De Burca: Lafiya?

[00:39:28] Angus Cunningham: Tsawon su daga inci shida zuwa inci goma sha biyu ne, kuma tushen yana cikin wannan ’yar kwai. Ka yi tunanin akwatin kwai mai girma shida, kuma ka fitar da itacen, don haka duk tushen da ke kusa da shi a cikin ɗan guntu, ba kome ba ne. Kuna iya shigar da su a ciki. A zahiri buga su can. Tsofaffi da yawa, shekaru na. Kawai sanya shi a ciki, tashi zuwa akwatin, dasa su a cikin ƙasa.

Kuma yara za su iya yin hakan saboda ba ku dasa yumbu mai nauyi ko amfani da babban spade. Kuma aiki ne mai wahala. Kuna dasa ƙananan bishiyoyi zuwa inci huɗu zuwa shida na ƙasa. Sai me. Don haka muna dasa su kusa da juna, daidai da hanyar Miyawaki. Don ƙarfafa gasa, yaran, mun kawo tsutsotsi a kan wannan binciken musamman a Islington, kuma kowane ɗayan yaran ya fito da tsutsa. Hakan ya sake bullowa. Saka tsutsa tare da itacen.

Domin idan muna yin duk wannan alherin kuma muna shirya shirye-shirye, kuna buƙatar sanya wasu tsutsotsi a ciki don samun zagayawa, don ci gaba da. Ci gaba da iskar da ke shiga cikin abu, ɗaukar nagarta daga sama zuwa ƙasa, ta yadda yanayi, kamar yadda na ce, gudu ne wanda ke biye da marathon. Kuma da zarar mun dasa bishiyoyi, za mu ciyawa duka.

A kan waccan aikin, na koma bayan wata shida kuma wasu bishiyoyin sun yi girma zuwa sama da ƙafa shida.

Amma ya fi haka. Adadin. Kuma mun yi masa shinge ta hanyar amfani da shingen kirji. Adadin ciyawar da ta tsiro a tsakanin bishiyun, yana kama da ƙwanƙolin kore a kusurwar a. Ba wurin shakatawar da ya fi jan hankali ba, wurin shakatawar kare ne.

Bayan shekara guda, bishiyoyin sun kai tsayin mita 2. Don haka yana da ban mamaki cewa ku. Kuma muna kawai. Duk abin da muke cewa shi ne cewa muna mayar da wannan ɗan ga yanayi.

Muna dasa manyan alfarwa, tsaka-tsaki da ƙananan bishiyoyi da murfin ƙasa. Don haka akwai ɗan tunani kaɗan, amma ba yawancin tunanin inda aka sanya su ba. Don haka a zahiri muna haxa su kuma mu daidaita su a duk faɗin yankin. Shuka da gaske tare. Za a yi wasu gazawa, amma akwai gasa kuma shi ya sa bishiyoyi ke girma da sauri kuma abin da ke faruwa a yanayi.

[00:41:44] Jackie De Burca: Wannan abin ban sha'awa ne.

[00:41:46] Angus Cunningham: A gefen ginina, ka ce, zan ba ka wani fili, zan ba ka kickstart.

[00:41:51] Jackie De Burca: Wannan abin ban sha'awa ne. Yanzu, komawa gidan yanar gizon ku, tabbas za mu ƙara shi zuwa shafi na I da kuma kan kundayen adireshi na podcast da duk irin waɗannan abubuwan. Amma ga masu sauraro, kamar tunatarwa, Scotscape ne kuma co-dot UK ne ko me na samu daidai?

[00:42:10] Angus Cunningham: Labari mai ban dariya, saboda lokacin da na fara, na kasance butulci. Lokacin da na zo Landan kuma Scottsgate ya zo, mu da kaina wani dan iska ne mai suna Richie, kuma muna zaune a saman gareji a kudancin Landan. Clapham. Ee. Akwai wani labarin yadda muka isa can. Yana kama da wani katafaren rumbun garejin masu bugu. Sai mai gidan ya ce da ni, Ina bukatan aiko muku da daftari. Na ce, menene daftari? Ba ni da ma'ana. Gaskiya, Jackie, ban san yadda na isa inda na isa ba. Wani lokaci nakan aika da daftari. Menene wannan? Na ce, ya ce, ‘yar takarda ce ta ce, ka bi ni kudi. Na ce, kudin me nake bin ka? Ya ce, haya. Lafiya, lafiya. Don haka na sami tsari, amma ina buƙatar yin daftarin ga wani. Wanene zan fitar dashi? Kuma a lokacin, ba mu da suna, duk da cewa muna yin babban lambun mu. Kuma ya ce, da kyau, ku duka ƴan ƙasar Scotland ne, me ya sa ba za mu kira ku Scott Scape ba?

[00:43:03] Jackie De Burca: Oh, mai hazaka.

[00:43:06] Angus Cunningham: Kuna iya kashe duk waɗannan kuɗin akan tallace-tallace da wannan da wancan, amma wancan.

[00:43:09] Jackie De Burca: Da an kashe ku dubbai a wata hukuma.

Brilliant. So what challenges, Angus, do you face now when integrating these green solutions into your urban environments, particularly when it comes to the likes of sustainability and maintenance.

[00:43:25] Angus Cunningham: Iya.

Kalubalen shine amincewar abokin ciniki na abin da kuke yi da kuma tabbatar da cewa za su ci gaba da karatun.

Sannan dole ne ku kasance masu gasa kuma saboda akwai wasu kamfanoni masu rai a can.

Ba mu da wani yanki, muna da isassun ginshiƙai, amma ba akan tsarin bangonmu na rayuwa ba. Don haka yanayin kasuwanci ne. Don haka, eh, yana da wahala, wannan doka, kamar yadda na ambata a baya, ƙa'idodi da ƙa'idodi. Don haka, eh, ina tsammanin babban kalubalen shine sanya tsire-tsire ku, tabbatar da cewa an kiyaye su daidai da gudanar da kasuwancin da ke ba da wannan sabis ɗin, saboda gudanar da kowane kasuwanci, aiki tuƙuru.

Ina tsammanin ɗayan ƙalubalen, lokacin da kuke kawo sabbin kayayyaki cikin kasuwa, wannan ya kasance madaidaicin tsarin koyo a gare ni, saboda ba kawai fara fara da sabon samfur ba kwatsam. Tare da ginshiƙai masu rai, an yi shekaru biyar na bincike da ci gaba. Akwai abin da muke kira gazawar hankali, inda dole ne ka gwada abubuwa, ka ga ba sa aiki, gwada wani abu dabam. Kuma wannan duk yana fitowa daga kuɗin ku.

Babu wanda ke ba ku kuɗi.

Akwai wasu ƙididdiga na haraji daga kudaden shiga, yarda, amma. Amma hakan na zuwa bayan shekaru biyu. Dole ne ku samar da tsabar kudi don yin wannan. Idan kuma ba sana’a kake samun kudi ba, komai sha’awa ko sha’awar abin da ka ke yi, ba zai je ko’ina ba saboda ba ka da kudin da za ka saka a ciki. Don haka ina tsammanin cewa, a gare ni, shine babban kalubale saboda sha'awata ce in sami hanyoyin wayo don kawo kore. dole ne ku biya dillalan ku kuma kasuwancin ku ya zo na farko, yana da ban mamaki. Don haka ina ganin, ni kaina, wannan shine babban kalubale na. Ina fata akwai mai arziki a wajen yana cewa, eh, son abin da kuke yi. Ee, dubban ɗaruruwan lokuta, je ku ceci duniya.

The utopia a gare ni, idan kun san kowa, Jackie.

[00:45:36] Jackie De Burca: To, kun sanya shi a can yanzu, ba ku taɓa sani ba, a fili, Angus, ba ku taɓa sani ba.

In the same way as like, retrofitting in buildings. Surely there should be on the way. I know it’s not long. We’re recording the middle of August 2024. It’s not long since a new government has arrived, obviously, into the parliament buildings in the UK. So early days. But will there not be some nice grants available and bits and pieces. Is there nothing on the horizon to.

[00:46:05] Angus Cunningham: Ya dace da gwangwani na tsutsotsi?

[00:46:07] Jackie De Burca: Ina? Oh, a'a.

[00:46:08] Angus Cunningham: To, kawai. Sai dai shekaru biyar da suka wuce na yi tunanin ba mu yi wani aikin kananan hukumomi ba. Na yi tunani, da kyau, bari mu shiga, gano yadda yake aiki. Kamar. Yana kama da yawo ta hanyar cin zarafi, gaskiya. Wataƙila na kasance ina gudanar da kamfani. Kuna iya yanke shawara kuma gabaɗaya suna faruwa kuma kuna iya rinjayar abubuwa.

Karamar hukuma, gaskiya ban sani ba. Ana yin komai wani lokaci. Wannan ya ce, akwai wasu mutane masu kishi a wurin, amma waɗanda suka san igiyoyi da ƙa'idodi, amma tsarin mulki yana da jinkirin gaske.

Wato ina ganin akwai abin da muka samu kuma ban da tabbacin ko gwamnatin nan tana kawo sauyi fiye da tsohuwar gwamnati domin karamar hukuma tamkar wani bangare ne nata, ko kai ne. Wane irin ra'ayin siyasa kuke ciki. Karamar hukuma ta kawo canji ga.

[00:47:06] Jackie De Burca: I can certainly jump in and say that in my tiny experience, because, of course, you know, it’s. It’s not a big, huge organisation. Constructive voices. I can certainly say that Cambridgeshire seems to have a lot of genuine action and things happening when it comes to this area, not specifically your area, I can’t say that for sure. But they are doing some great work there. I can say.

[00:47:32] Angus Cunningham: Wannan yana da kyau a ji. Mun kasance fiye a London. Wataƙila ya kamata in sami wasu imel a can. Muna da babban tabbataccen mu wanda ake ganin kamar aljihuna ne wanda kowace majalisa za ta iya shiga. Don haka suna da nasu hanyoyin samun damar gumaka don kawowa. Ina jin shugabar gwamnati ta ce, to, za mu samar da wannan adadin kudin kuma abin da za a samu shi ne tsaftace iska ko kawo rayayyun halittu.

Don haka majalisa suna da damar yin hakan. Wandsworth da Westminster sun yi mana kyau sosai, amma na ji sun fi rancen kuɗi kaɗan. Don haka akwai shakka akwai wani nau'i na kama da wasu masu karbar bashi suna cikin matsayi mafi kyau fiye da wasu. Amma ban gano dalilin ba.

Amma akwai kudi akwai. Kalubalen gare mu, Jackie, akwai babba ɗaya. Ana samun kuɗin don shigarwa, amma sau da yawa ba a wurin don kulawa da duk abin da muke yi. Tsire-tsire suna buƙatar kulawa. Ba za ku iya ajiye shi kawai ku tafi ba. Ba za ku iya sanya su ku ce, dama, shi ke nan, aikin ya yi. Suna buƙatar kiyayewa kuma muna buƙatar fasaha sau da yawa don kula da su.

Wannan babban kalubale ne.

[00:48:44] Jackie De Burca: To haka ne. Yana da ban sha'awa domin idan aka zo batun BNG, fahimtata ita ce, ba shakka, tare da shekaru 30 da ya kamata a yi aiki a ciki, to me zai sa ya bambanta da korewar birane?

[00:48:55] Angus Cunningham: Tambaya mai kyau.

Wani abu. Ban sani ba. Ban sani ba.

[00:48:59] Jackie De Burca: To.

[00:49:01] Angus Cunningham: Amma, eh, haka ne, uh. Eh, ina fata wannan gwamnati ta kawo sauyi. Ina ji. Ina jin labarin cewa ana kallon su a yanke kuma an gama kwai. Amma a lokacin, eh, idan kuna da kyan gani kamar Cambridge, kuna da mutane da yawa a wurin waɗanda suke son yin abin kirki. Suna ganin koyaushe suna sa abubuwa su faru. Don haka watakila akwai bege.

[00:49:21] Jackie De Burca: Da fatan akwai bege.

[00:49:22] Angus Cunningham: Ee, muna da mafita.

[00:49:25] Jackie De Burca: Tabbas Cambridgeshire tana kama da kyakkyawan misali daga abin da na sani zuwa yanzu. Don haka, a saurara, komawa ga irin abubuwan da suka kunno kai a ciki kayayyakin more rayuwa, me kuka fi burge ku? Saka gefe guda? Kudi na ɗan lokaci.

[00:49:41] Angus Cunningham: Iya. Me kuke nufi? Me nake jin dadi?

[00:49:44] Jackie De Burca: A cikin abubuwan da suka kunno kai a cikin kayan aikin kore.

[00:49:51] Angus Cunningham: Kuna nufin yanayin kawo kore cikin birane? Ina matukar farin ciki da cewa idan akwai bukatar kawo kore kuma muna kan gaba a cikin wannan masana'antar, za mu iya yin amfani da abin da muka yi shekaru goma da suka gabata kafin a fara aikin.

Don haka, eh, a gare mu tsire-tsire ne. Kuma ina tsammanin lokacin da kuka yi tambaya, ya shafi masana'antar kore, duk abin da ke tattare da dorewa a ciki shi ma, da kuma amfani da ɗanyen mai.

Amma ina tsammanin abu mafi ban sha'awa shine zuwa hangen nesa na birni. Kuna rabin hanya don kammala hangen nesa ta hanyar kawo kore cikin Sydney.

[00:50:43] Jackie De Burca: Ee, wannan ita ce cikakkiyar tambaya, wacce nake ganin ya kamata mu isa nan da nan.

Wataƙila za mu gama hirar mu akan wancan. Amma ina da wannan ra'ayin bazuwar yayin da kuke magana a can, Angus. Yaya zai kasance. Shin ba zai yi aiki ba kwata-kwata don shuka irin su, za mu ce, coriander da Basil da ganyaye daban-daban daga kamar fitilar fitila? Shin haka ne.

[00:51:04] Angus Cunningham: Ee, zai yi kyau. To, za ku iya.

[00:51:06] Jackie De Burca: Za ka iya?

[00:51:07] Angus Cunningham: Ina tsammani, eh. Berries suna da kyau ga strawberries, raspberries, blackberries, blackcurrants.

Su. Dukkansu suna girma daga tsarin mu sannan suyi girma. Idan za ku iya ɗagawa, kuna iya fiddo su. Kayan lambu, ba su da kyau sosai, brassicas, saboda suna kallon ɗan ɓarna a lokuta daban-daban na shekara. Don haka ba zan ba da shawarar girma ba, kodayake suna girma sosai a cikin kifin mu. Zan yi gargadin kawai da cewa yawan gurbatar yanayi a garuruwanmu, watakila ba haka bane. Ba mai girma ba.

Na ambata wannan a baya game da hanyoyi. Ya yi garuruwa zane a kusa da hanyoyi? Idan za ku cire motoci daga ma'auni, wannan ita ce hanya mafi kyau don cire gurɓata daga birane. Ina ba da shawarar shuka berries da yawa akan fitilar ku. Da kaina, kuna zagawa kuna cin su.

[00:51:56] Jackie De Burca: Wannan zai yi kyau, ko ba haka ba?

[00:51:58] Angus Cunningham: Ashe, ba haka ba, muna kiran su brambles, ko blackberries, Ina tsammanin suna kiran su, amma suna da kyau a sassan kudancin London a halin yanzu. Don haka ana yin bramble da apple kek, amma yana sake haɗa ku da yanayi domin kafin birane, kafin juyin juya halin masana'antu, abin da muka yi ke nan. Kuma ashe ba mu rasa nasaba da juna ba. Kuna iya fita ku debi 'ya'yan itace. Mun saba ganin sa a cikin kunshin a cikin babban kanti. Kuna manta inda ya fito sannan kila za ku yi mamakin ganin yadda ake samar da shi ta kasuwanci. Amma shiga cikin karkara da diban 'ya'yan itace ko ganyaye haka yake, yadda yake. Mu kawai, muka ce, me ake kira? Asali mai canzawa. Ka sani, ko da yaushe yana motsi. Amma koma baya shekaru 300 kuma, ka sani, kafin juyin juya halin masana'antu, mu duka, aljihun gidaje da wadatar kai, wannan ya wuce.

[00:52:53] Jackie De Burca: Ba da dadewa ba. Ina nufin, na faɗi haka ga sauran baƙi kuma, Angus, ka sani, ba da daɗewa ba. Idan kun yi la'akari da shi kawai ta hanyar dangin ku, dangane da, kun sani, tsawon tsawon lokacin da mutane ke rayuwa a cikin dangin ku, muna magana ne kamar, komai, hudu, biyar, shida, dangane da haka, don haka ba tsayi haka ba. Yanzu. A ƙarshe, ko da yake, Angus, menene hangen nesa na gaba, biranen nan gaba?

[00:53:16] Angus Cunningham: Oh, wannan yana zuwa ya rufe, COVID garuruwanmu da kore. Kawai don samun, kun sani, lokacin da kuka ga harbin iska ko ku ce, oh, hi, kamar hotunan jirgin sama na birni, Ina ganin waɗannan gine-gine masu ban mamaki kamar yadda na gani a idona, crikey, me muka yi?

Akwai wani daji. Dubi duk waɗannan dodanni. Don haka ni, hangen nesa na shi ne in rufe su duka da kore domin a lokacin, ba kawai ka tafi daga dabi'a cikin wannan bit ba, ka ce, na cire ka. Akwai wani bangare a wajen da kuma wani bangare a wurin, amma sauran katon gilasai ne kawai da gine-ginen siminti suna cewa, dubi girman mu. Rufe su da kore, sa'an nan kuma mun sami rabin dama. Don haka ina ganin dole ne ya shigo cikin ƙamus na a lokacin. Don haka wata rigar da ke lulluɓe da bargo mai koren kore a duk garuruwanmu, ina tsammanin hakan zai zama hangen nesa na. Hanyoyi, ka sani, amfani da karkashin kasa, kawai, ka sani, amfani da babur. Na hau keken daji a kwanakin baya kuma na yi tunani, ban hau daya ba. Na sami abin ban mamaki, ka sani, babu gurɓatacce da za ku iya ta wata hanya, da yawa, babu motoci, yawan kekuna, yawan tafiya. Wasu hanyoyi sun juya zuwa ɗimbin halittu waɗanda ba komai bane illa kore, don haka a ba mutane damar tafiya ko'ina. Tafiya matattu gare ku ma, haka. Haka ne, amma ina tsammanin hangen nesa mai girma shine bargo na koren kore a duk garuruwanmu. Kuma bari yanayi ya dube mu. Yanayin yana iya zama babba a cikin ginin. Bari ya dube mu a ƙasa, yana tafiya a kusa, sabanin yadda muke yin shi ta wata hanya, kallon yanayi.

[00:54:59] Jackie De Burca: Fantastic. Don haka wace hanya ce mai ban mamaki don ƙare tare da hangen nesa. Angus ya kasance mai ban sha'awa sosai yana magana da ku. Wannan muryoyi masu ma'ana.