S3, E6: āĻĒā§‹āĻ°ā§āĻŸā§āϰ⧇āϟ āϟ⧁ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ-āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ āĻĒ⧁āύāĻ°ā§āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϝāĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞ, āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āϤāĻžāϰ āĻ—ā§āϰāĻžāωāĻ¨ā§āĻĄ-āĻŦā§āϰ⧇āĻ•āĻŋāĻ‚ āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āωāĻĒāϰ āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ, āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§āϟ 1

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S3, E6: āĻĒā§‹āĻ°ā§āĻŸā§āϰ⧇āϟ āϟ⧁ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ-āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ āĻĒ⧁āύāĻ°ā§āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϝāĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞ, āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āϤāĻžāϰ āĻ—ā§āϰāĻžāωāĻ¨ā§āĻĄ-āĻŦā§āϰ⧇āĻ•āĻŋāĻ‚ āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āωāĻĒāϰ āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ, āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§āϟ 1

āĻĒā§‹āĻ°ā§āĻŸā§āϰ⧇āϟ āϟ⧁ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ-āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ āĻĒ⧁āύāĻ°ā§āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϝāĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞ, āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ
 

āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ āĻĒāĻĄāĻ•āĻžāĻ¸ā§āϟ

āĻ—ā§āϰāĻžāωāĻ¨ā§āĻĄ-āĻŦā§āϰ⧇āĻ•āĻŋāĻ‚ āϞ⧇āĻ–āĻ•, āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ, āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻžāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āϚāĻžāϰāϟāĻŋ āĻĒāĻĄāĻ•āĻžāĻ¸ā§āϟ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϏāĻŋāϰāĻŋāĻœā§‡ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāϞ⧇āϛ⧇āύ āϝāĻž āϤāĻžāϰ āωāĻœā§āĻœā§āĻŦāϞ āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋāϰ āĻ—āĻ­ā§€āϰāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻ—āĻ­ā§€āϰāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻ—āĻ­ā§€āϰāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻ…āύ⧁āϏāĻ¨ā§āϧāĻžāύ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĨ¤ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻāĻ›āĻžāĻĄāĻŧāĻžāĻ“ āφāϛ⧇ āωāĻĻāĻžāϰāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āϤāĻžāϰ āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ 10 āĻ•āĻĒāĻŋ āĻĻāĻŋāϤ⧇ āϏāĻŽā§āĻŽāϤ āĻšāύ. āωāĻĒāϰ⧇ āϞāĻŋāĻ–āϤ⧇ āϭ⧁āϞāĻŦ⧇āύ āύāĻž.

āύ⧀āĻšā§‡āϰ āĻ…āĻ‚āĻļ 1 āĻļ⧁āύ⧁āύ. āĻŸā§āϰāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϏāĻ•ā§āϰāĻŋāĻĒā§āϟāϟāĻŋ āφāϰāĻ“ āύ⧀āĻšā§‡āĨ¤

The first episode offers great insights into the concepts you will discover in this book. The author explains some of the core principles that are featured. De Burca speaks to her in detail about Part 1 of Portrait to Landscape-A Landscape Strategy To Reframe Our Future. 

There is a wealth to learn and discuss about this ground-breaking book. So every podcast episode explores one of the four parts of this trailblazing publication.

āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§āϟ 2 āĻāĻ–āĻžāύ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻž āϝāĻžāĻŦ⧇.

āĻœā§‹āϝāĻŧāĻžāύ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĢā§āϟ, āϏāĻšāϝ⧋āĻ—ā§€ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāϚāĻžāϞāĻ•, āĻ•āĻŽāĻŋāωāύāĻŋāϟāĻŋ āĻĒā§āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāύāĻŋāĻ‚ | āĻŦā§āϰāĻŋāϟāĻŋāĻļ āĻ•āϞāĻžāĻŽā§āĻŦāĻŋāϝāĻŧāĻž āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻŦāĻŦāĻŋāĻĻā§āϝāĻžāϞāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āĻ•ā§āϝāĻžāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻžāϏ + āĻ•āĻŽāĻŋāωāύāĻŋāϟāĻŋ āĻĒā§āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāύāĻŋāĻ‚ āĻŦāϞ⧇āϛ⧇āύ:

"āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ āĻĒ⧃āĻĨāĻŋāĻŦā§€āϤ⧇ āĻœā§€āĻŦāύ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ āϏ⧁āϰāĻ•ā§āώāĻŋāϤ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻ§ā§āϝāϤāĻžāĻŽā§‚āϞāĻ•, āĻ­āĻžāϞāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻ—āĻŦ⧇āώāĻŖāĻž āĻ•āϰāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āωāĻ¤ā§āϏāĻžāĻšā§€ āϝ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĻāĻžāύ āĻ•āϰ⧇ - āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇āϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŽā§ŒāϞāĻŋāĻ• āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āĻ•āϰ⧇, āϏ⧇āϞāĻĢāĻŋ-āĻ­āĻŋāĻ¤ā§āϤāĻŋāĻ• āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāϕ⧋āĻŖ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āφāϰāĻ“ āϏāĻ°ā§āĻŦāĻžāĻ™ā§āĻ—ā§€āĻŖ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻĒā§āϰ⧇āĻ•ā§āώāĻŋāϤ⧇āĨ¤"

 

āĻĒā§‹āĻ°ā§āĻŸā§āϰ⧇āϟ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇: āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ āĻĒ⧁āύāĻ°ā§āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϝāĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞ:

Portrait to Landscape: A Landscape Strategy to Reframe Our Future is a ground-breaking work authored by a renowned landscape architect. āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻĒā§āϰāĻžāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāĻ• āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ•āϕ⧇ āĻŽā§ŒāϞāĻŋāĻ•āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻšā§āϝāĻžāϞ⧇āĻžā§āϜ āĻ•āϰ⧇, āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻ—āϤ āĻ…āĻŦāύāϤāĻŋāϰ āϞāĻ•ā§āώāĻŖ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϤāĻ°ā§āύāĻŋāĻšāĻŋāϤ āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ āωāĻ­āϝāĻŧāϕ⧇ āĻŽā§‹āĻ•āĻžāĻŦ⧇āϞāĻž āĻ•āϰ⧇ āĻĒ⧃āĻĨāĻŋāĻŦā§€āϕ⧇ āύāĻŋāϰāĻžāĻŽāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϏāĻžāĻŽāĻ—ā§āϰāĻŋāĻ• āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāĻ­āĻ™ā§āĻ—āĻŋ āωāĻĒāĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāĻĒāύ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĨ¤

Using the metaphor of a narrow, self-focused portrait versus a wide-angle landscape view, the book sheds light on the profound impact of our limited perspective. It offers practical strategies for policymakers, activists, and individuals to protect and restore landscapes, emphasising collaboration and long-term stewardship.

āĻāχ āϚāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤāĻž-āĻĒā§āϰāϰ⧋āϚāύāĻžāĻŽā§‚āϞāĻ• āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋ āĻĒāĻžāĻ āĻ•āĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āϤāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻ‚āϝ⧋āĻ— āĻĒ⧁āύāσāĻŽā§‚āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāϝāĻŧāύ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāϰāĻ“ āĻŸā§‡āĻ•āϏāχ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ⧇āϰ āĻĻāĻŋāϕ⧇ āφāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§‹āϞāύ⧇ āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧā§‹āϜāĻŋāϤ āĻšāϤ⧇ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻĒā§āϰāĻžāĻŖāĻŋāϤ āĻ•āϰ⧇, āϝāĻž āĻĒ⧃āĻĨāĻŋāĻŦā§€āϤ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ…āĻŦāĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāύ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋāϤ⧇ āĻŦāϏāĻŦāĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋ āϏ⧇ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āĻ—āĻ­ā§€āϰāϤāϰ āĻŦā§‹āĻāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāϟāĻŋāϕ⧇ āĻ…āĻŦāĻļā§āϝāχ āĻĒāĻĄāĻŧāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇āĨ¤ āϏāϤāϤāĻžāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇

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āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ āĻ—āĻ āύāĻŽā§‚āϞāĻ• āĻ­āϝāĻŧ⧇āϏ

āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇

āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ, āĻāĻ•āϜāύ āωāĻ¤ā§āϏāĻžāĻšā§€ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻĒāϤāĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϰ āĻĢ⧇āϞ⧋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āχāύāĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāϟāĻŋāωāϟ (FLI) āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϰāϝāĻŧā§āϝāĻžāϞ āϏ⧋āϏāĻžāχāϟāĻŋ āĻ…āĻĢ āφāĻ°ā§āϟāϏ (FRSA), has a profound commitment to art, sustainability, and the transformative power of landscapes.

2013 āϏāĻžāϞ⧇, āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāĻˇā§āĻ āĻž āĻ•āϰ⧇āύ āϞāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāύ āĻ­āĻŋāĻ¤ā§āϤāĻŋāĻ• āĻ¸ā§āϟ⧁āĻĄāĻŋāĻ“ āφāϰāĻŦāĻžāύ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ⧇āϰ āĻŽāĻžāĻ§ā§āϝāĻŽā§‡ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ⧇āϰ āĻĻ⧈āύāĻ¨ā§āĻĻāĻŋāύ āĻœā§€āĻŦāύ⧇ āφāύāĻ¨ā§āĻĻ āφāύāĻžāϰ āϞāĻ•ā§āĻˇā§āϝ āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āύāĻ•āĻļāĻž that enhances beauty and fosters well-being. Steed actively advises and serves on expert panels for organisations such as the āĻĄāĻŋāϜāĻžāχāύ āĻ•āĻžāωāĻ¨ā§āϏāĻŋāϞ āχāωāϕ⧇ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻļā§€āĻ°ā§āώ XNUMX āĻ—ā§āϞ⧋āĻŦāĻžāϞ HR āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻŋāϞ⧇āĻ¨ā§āϏ āĻ…ā§āϝāĻžāĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻžāĻ°ā§āĻĄā§‡āϰ āĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāύ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āϝ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤāϰāĻžāĻœā§āϝ āϏāϰāĻ•āĻžāϰ⧇āϰ āĻ…āĻĢāĻŋāϏ.

āĻ āϞ⧇āĻ•āϚāĻžāϰāĻžāϰ āĻšāĻŋāϏ⧇āĻŦ⧇ āĻĄ āĻŦāĻžāĻ°ā§āϟāϞ⧇āϟ, āχāωāϏāĻŋāĻāϞ, āϏ⧇ āϤāĻžāϰ āĻœā§āĻžāĻžāύ āĻ­āĻžāĻ— āĻ•āϰ⧇ āύ⧇āϝāĻŧ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒā§āϰāĻĻāĻžāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāύ-āύāĻŋāĻ°ā§āĻŽāĻžāϪ⧇āϰ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāĻ­āĻ™ā§āĻ—āĻŋ āϏāĻŽāĻ°ā§āĻĨāύ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āϤāĻžāϰ āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧāϕ⧇ āĻ¸ā§āĻŦ⧇āĻšā§āĻ›āĻžāϏ⧇āĻŦā§€ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĨ¤ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āφāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻŋāĻŸā§‡āĻ•āϚāĻžāϰ⧇ āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄā§‡āϰ āĻŦā§āϝāϤāĻŋāĻ•ā§āϰāĻŽā§€ āĻ…āĻŦāĻĻāĻžāύ āĻŽāĻ°ā§āϝāĻžāĻĻāĻžāĻĒā§‚āĻ°ā§āĻŖ āĻĒ⧁āϰāĻ¸ā§āĻ•āĻžāϰ āĻ…āĻ°ā§āϜāύ āĻ•āϰ⧇āϛ⧇, āϝāĻžāϰ āĻŽāĻ§ā§āϝ⧇ āϰāϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇ WAFX āĻĒ⧁āϰāĻ¸ā§āĻ•āĻžāϰ āωāĻĻā§āĻ­āĻžāĻŦāύ⧀ āĻŦ⧈āĻļā§āĻŦāĻŋāĻ• āϏāĻŽāĻžāϧāĻžāύ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϜāϞāĻŦāĻžāϝāĻŧ⧁ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āĻŽā§‹āĻ•āĻžāĻŦ⧇āϞāĻžāϝāĻŧ āĻļā§āϰ⧇āĻˇā§āĻ āĻ¤ā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ LI āĻĒ⧁āϰāĻ¸ā§āĻ•āĻžāϰāĨ¤

āωāĻĒāϰāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁, āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻ¸ā§āϝāĻžāϰ āĻĄā§‡āĻ­āĻŋāĻĄ āĻ…ā§āϝāĻžāĻŸā§‡āύāĻŦāϰ⧋ āĻĒ⧁āϰāĻ¸ā§āĻ•āĻžāϰ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āϏāĻ‚āĻ•ā§āώāĻŋāĻĒā§āϤ āϤāĻžāϞāĻŋāĻ•āĻžāϭ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤ āĻ›āĻŋāϞ⧇āύ, āϏāĻ‚āϰāĻ•ā§āώāĻŖ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āωāĻ¨ā§āύāϤ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āϤāĻžāϰ āωāĻ¤ā§āϏāĻ°ā§āĻ— āĻšāĻžāχāϞāĻžāχāϟ āĻœā§€āĻŦ āĻŦ⧈āϚāĻŋāĻ¤ā§āĻ°ā§āϝ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻŦāĻžāĻ¸ā§āϤ⧁āϤāĻ¨ā§āĻ¤ā§āϰāĨ¤ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻ—ā§āϰāĻžāωāĻ¨ā§āĻĄ āĻŦā§āϰ⧇āĻ•āĻŋāĻ‚ āĻŦāχ "āĻĒā§‹āĻ°ā§āĻŸā§āϰ⧇āϟ āϟ⧁ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ: āφ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ¸ā§āĻŸā§āĻ°ā§āϝāĻžāĻŸā§‡āϜāĻŋ āϟ⧁ āϰāĻŋāĻĢā§āϰ⧇āĻŽ āφāĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻžāϰ āĻĢāĻŋāωāϚāĻžāϰ" āĻāϰ āϞ⧇āĻ–āĻ•āĨ¤

āύ⧋āϟ 3, āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦ 6 āĻĻ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ

āĻ­ā§‚āĻŽāĻŋāĻ•āĻž

  • āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ: [āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ]
  • āĻšā§‹āĻ¸ā§āϟ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāϚāĻŋāϤāĻŋ: Jackie De Burca welcomes Alexandra Steed, author and passionate landscape architect.
  • āĻ…āϤāĻŋāĻĨāĻŋ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāϚāĻŋāϤāĻŋ: āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āϤāĻžāϰ āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻ¸ā§āĻŦā§€āĻ•ā§ƒāϤ, āϝāĻž āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āφāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻŋāĻŸā§‡āĻ•āϚāĻžāϰ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϰ āϰ⧂āĻĒāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϤāϰāĻŽā§‚āϞāĻ• āϏāĻŽā§āĻ­āĻžāĻŦāύāĻž āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āĻ—āĻ­ā§€āϰ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϤāĻ°ā§āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĻāĻžāύ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĨ¤
  • āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϝāĻžāϞ⧋āϚāύāĻž āωāĻĻā§āϧ⧃āϤāĻŋ: āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāϕ⧋āĻŖāϕ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϏ⧇āϞāĻĢāĻŋ-āĻ­āĻŋāĻ¤ā§āϤāĻŋāĻ• āĻĻ⧃āĻļā§āϝ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦā§āϝāĻžāĻĒāĻ• āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻĻ⧃āĻļā§āϝ⧇ āĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāύāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϤāϰāĻŋāϤ āĻ•āϰ⧇⧎

āĻŦā§āϝāĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋāĻ—āϤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻĒ⧇āĻļāĻžāĻ—āϤ āĻĒāϟāĻ­ā§‚āĻŽāĻŋ

  • āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ: [āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ]
  • āĻŦā§āϝāĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋāĻ—āϤ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϤāĻ°ā§āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋ:
    • āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋ āĻ“ āĻļāĻŋāĻ˛ā§āĻĒ⧇āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋ āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻžāϰ āĻ­āĻžāϞ⧋āĻŦāĻžāϏāĻžāĨ¤
    • āĻĻ⧁āχ āϛ⧇āϞ⧇āϰ āĻŽāĻžāĨ¤
  • āĻĒ⧇āĻļāĻžāĻ—āϤ āϝāĻžāĻ¤ā§āϰāĻž:
    • āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āφāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻŋāĻŸā§‡āĻ•āϚāĻžāϰ⧇ 25 āĻŦāĻ›āϰ⧇āϰāĻ“ āĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻŋ āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ āϧāϰ⧇āĨ¤
    • āĻļāĻŋāĻ•ā§āώāĻž: āχāωāύāĻŋāĻ­āĻžāĻ°ā§āϏāĻŋāϟāĻŋ āĻ…āĻĢ āĻŦā§āϰāĻŋāϟāĻŋāĻļ āĻ•āϞāĻžāĻŽā§āĻŦāĻŋāϝāĻŧāĻž āĻļāĻŋāĻ˛ā§āĻĒ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āφāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻŋāĻŸā§‡āĻ•āϚāĻžāϰ⧇āĨ¤
    • āĻĒ⧇āĻļāĻžāĻ—āϤ āĻŦ⧈āĻļāĻŋāĻˇā§āĻŸā§āϝ:
      • Worked at the City of Vancouver Greenways Department.
      • Experience in urban design and international projects.
      • 2013 āϏāĻžāϞ⧇ āϤāĻžāϰ āύāĻŋāϜāĻ¸ā§āĻŦ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻļā§€āϞāύ, āφāϰāĻŦāĻžāύ, āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāĻˇā§āĻ āĻž āĻ•āϰ⧇āύāĨ¤

āĻŦāχ āφāϞ⧋āϚāύāĻž

  • āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ: [āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ]
  • āϞ⧇āĻ–āĻžāϰ āĻĒā§āϰ⧇āϰāĻŖāĻž:
    • āϤāĻžāϰ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻļā§€āϞāύ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϏāĻšāĻžāϝāĻŧāĻ• āĻĻāϞāϕ⧇ āϧāĻ¨ā§āϝāĻŦāĻžāĻĻ āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋ āϞāĻŋāĻ–āϤ⧇ āĻĒ⧇āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤
    • āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āϗ⧁āϰ⧁āĻ¤ā§āĻŦāĻĒā§‚āĻ°ā§āĻŖ āϧāĻžāϰāĻŖāĻžāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āϏāĻŽāĻžāϧāĻžāύ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āϜāϰ⧁āϰāĻŋāϤāĻž āĻ…āύ⧁āĻ­āĻŦ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤
  • āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āĻļāĻŋāϰ⧋āύāĻžāĻŽ: "āĻĒāĻŸā§āϰ⧇āϟ āϟ⧁ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ: āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤāϕ⧇ āĻĒ⧁āύāĻ°ā§āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϝāĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ"
    • āϧāĻžāϰāĻŖāĻž: āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ¸ā§āĻŦ-āϕ⧇āĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻŋāĻ• "āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋ" āĻĻ⧃āĻļā§āϝ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āϤ⧃āϤ, āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϤāĻ°ā§āϭ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋāĻŽā§‚āϞāĻ• "āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ" āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāϕ⧋āϪ⧇ āĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāύāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϤāϰ āĻ•āϰ⧁āύ⧎
    • āĻŦāĻŋāώāϝāĻŧāĻŦāĻ¸ā§āϤ⧁ āĻ“āĻ­āĻžāϰāĻ­āĻŋāω:
      • āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āύāϤ⧁āύ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāĨ¤
      • Analysis of current environmental challenges.
      • āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻĒ⧁āύāϰ⧁āĻ¤ā§āĻĒāĻžāĻĻāύāĻļā§€āϞ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āύ⧀āϤāĻŋāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻŽā§‚āϞ āĻ•āĻ°ā§āĻŽāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋāϜāĻžāχāύ āĻ•āϰ⧁āύ⧎
  • āύāĻŋāĻ°ā§āϧāĻžāϰāĻŋāϤ āĻļā§āϰ⧋āϤāĻž:
    • āφāĻĄāĻŧāĻžāφāĻĄāĻŧāĻŋ āĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻĒāϤāĻŋāϰ āĻŦāĻžāχāϰ⧇āĨ¤
    • General public to understand the importance of landscapes.

āĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāĻŽāĻžāύ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻ—āϤ āĻĒā§āϰāϏāĻ™ā§āĻ—

  • āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ: [āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ]
  • āĻœā§€āĻŦāĻŦ⧈āϚāĻŋāĻ¤ā§āĻ°ā§āϝ āύ⧇āϟ āϞāĻžāĻ­:
    • New laws in England signify a step towards acknowledging the importance of landscapes in development.
  • āĻŽāĻžāύāĻŦ-āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ•:
    • āĻĒāĻļā§āϚāĻŋāĻŽāĻž āĻĻā§āĻŦ⧈āϤāĻŦāĻžāĻĻā§€ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāĻ­āĻ™ā§āĻ—āĻŋ: āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ āĻŦāύāĻžāĻŽ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāĨ¤
    • āφāĻ¨ā§āϤāσāϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ•āϕ⧇ āϚāĻŋāύāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϏāĻšāϝ⧋āĻ—āĻŋāϤāĻžāĻŽā§‚āϞāĻ• āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇āϰ āĻĻāĻŋāϕ⧇ āĻāĻ—āĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āϝ⧇āϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇āĨ¤

āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āϏāĻ‚āϝ⧋āϗ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻŦā§āϝāĻŦāĻšāĻžāϰāĻŋāĻ• āĻĒāϰāĻžāĻŽāĻ°ā§āĻļ

  • āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ: [āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ]
  • āĻĒā§āϰāĻ¸ā§āϤāĻžāĻŦāύāĻž:
    • āĻāĻŽāύāĻ•āĻŋ āĻļāĻšā§āϰ⧇ āϏ⧇āϟāĻŋāĻ‚āϏ⧇āĻ“ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϕ⧇ āĻĻ⧈āύāĻ¨ā§āĻĻāĻŋāύ āϰ⧁āϟāĻŋāύ⧇ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϤāĻ°ā§āϭ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤ āĻ•āϰ⧁āύāĨ¤
    • āϏāĻŦ⧁āϜ āĻ­ā§āϰāĻŽāϪ⧇āϰ āĻĒāĻĨ āĻŦ⧇āϛ⧇ āύāĻŋāύ, āĻĨāĻžāĻ•āĻžāϰ āϜāĻžāϝāĻŧāĻ—āĻžāϝāĻŧ āĻ—āĻžāĻ›āĻĒāĻžāϞāĻž āϰāĻžāϖ⧁āύ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻŦāĻžāĻ—āĻžāύ⧇ āύāĻŋāϝ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤ āĻ•āϰ⧁āύāĨ¤
    • āϛ⧋āϟ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āφāϰāĻ“ āĻ—āĻ­ā§€āϰ āϏāĻ‚āϝ⧋āĻ— āϘāϟāĻžāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰ⧇āĨ¤

āϧāĻžāϰāĻŖāĻžāĻ—āϤ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϤāĻ°ā§āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋ

  • āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ: [āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ]
  • āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ⧇āϰ āĻ­āĻŋāĻœā§āϝ⧁āϝāĻŧāĻžāϞ āϏāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āĻŸā§‡āĻŽ āϏāĻžāĻĻ⧃āĻļā§āϝ:
    • āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āωāĻĒāϞāĻŦā§āϧāĻŋ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϝāĻž āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϝāĻŦ⧇āĻ•ā§āώāĻŖ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŽāĻžāύāϏāĻŋāĻ• āĻ—āĻ āύ āωāĻ­āϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āĻĻā§āĻŦāĻžāϰāĻž āĻĒā§āϰāĻ­āĻžāĻŦāĻŋāϤ āĻšāϝāĻŧāĨ¤
    • āϏāϰāϞ⧀āĻ•ā§ƒāϤ āύāĻŋāĻ°ā§āĻŽāĻžāĻŖāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āĻĒā§āϰāĻžāϝāĻŧāĻļāχ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻĻā§āĻŦ⧈āϤāĻŦāĻžāĻĻā§€ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāĻ­āĻ™ā§āĻ—āĻŋāϰ āĻĻāĻŋāϕ⧇ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāϚāĻžāϞāĻŋāϤ āĻ•āϰ⧇, āϝāĻž āφāĻ¨ā§āϤāσāϏāĻ‚āϝ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤāϤāĻžāϰ āφāϰāĻ“ āϜāϟāĻŋāϞ āĻŦā§‹āĻāĻžāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāĻĒāύ āĻ•āϰāĻž āĻĒā§āϰāϝāĻŧā§‹āϜāύāĨ¤
  • āĻ•āϰ⧁āĻŖāĻžāϰ āĻŦ⧃āĻ¤ā§āϤ āĻĒā§āϰāϏāĻžāϰāĻŋāϤ āĻ•āϰāĻž:
    • āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āφāχāύāĻ¸ā§āϟāĻžāχāύ⧇āϰ āωāĻĻā§āϧ⧃āϤāĻŋ āĻĻā§āĻŦāĻžāϰāĻž āĻ…āύ⧁āĻĒā§āϰāĻžāĻŖāĻŋāϤ, āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ•āϕ⧇ āφāϞāĻŋāĻ™ā§āĻ—āύ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϞāĻžāϞāύ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻĒā§āϰāϝāĻŧā§‹āϜāύ⧀āϝāĻŧāϤāĻžāϰ āωāĻĒāϰ āĻœā§‹āϰ āĻĻāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇āĨ¤

āωāĻĒāϏāĻ‚āĻšāĻžāϰ

  • āϏāĻŽāĻžāĻĒā§āϤāĻŋ āϚāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤāĻž:
    • āĻ•āϞ āϟ⧁ āĻ…ā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻļāύ: āφāϰāĻ“ āĻŸā§‡āĻ•āϏāχ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻ¨ā§āϤāσāϏāĻ‚āϝ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāĻ­āĻ™ā§āĻ—āĻŋ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāϰ⧁āϰāĻŋāϤāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϗ⧁āϰ⧁āĻ¤ā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āωāĻĒāϰ āĻœā§‹āϰ āĻĻāĻŋāύāĨ¤
  • āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ⧇āϰ āĻ•āĻĨā§‹āĻĒāĻ•āĻĨāύ: āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻ—āϤ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāĻ­āĻ™ā§āĻ—āĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āύ⧀āϤāĻŋāϤ⧇ āĻ…āĻ—ā§āϰāĻ—āϤāĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āĻŸā§āĻ°ā§āϝāĻžāĻ• āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ⧇āϰ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϤ⧇ āĻāχ āĻŦāĻŋāώāϝāĻŧāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϕ⧇ āĻĒ⧁āύāϰāĻžāϝāĻŧ āĻĻ⧇āĻ–āĻžāϰ āϏāĻŽā§āĻ­āĻžāĻŦāύāĻžāĨ¤

āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāϞāĻŋāĻĒāĻŋ āϏāĻŋāϜāύ 3, āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦ 6

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[00:00:00] āĻ¸ā§āĻĒāĻŋāĻ•āĻžāϰ A: Constructive Voices, the podcast for the construction people with news, views and expert interviews.

āĻļāĻžāĻ°ā§āϞāϟ āύāĻ°ā§āϤāϕ⧀: āĻ—āĻ āύāĻŽā§‚āϞāĻ• āĻ•āĻŖā§āϠ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻļāĻžāĻ°ā§āϞāϟ āύāĻ°ā§āϤāϕ⧀āĨ¤ āφāϜāϕ⧇āϰ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦ⧇ āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āĻŸā§‡āĻĄāϕ⧇ āĻĻ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ⧋ āĻšāϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇, āϝāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻ¸ā§āϝāĻžāϰ āĻĄā§‡āĻ­āĻŋāĻĄ āĻ…ā§āϝāĻžāĻŸā§‡āύāĻŦāϰ⧋ āĻ…ā§āϝāĻžāĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻžāĻ°ā§āĻĄā§‡āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āϏāĻ‚āĻ•ā§āώāĻŋāĻĒā§āϤ āϤāĻžāϞāĻŋāĻ•āĻžāϭ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤ āĻšāϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞ⧇āύ, āĻœā§€āĻŦāĻŦ⧈āϚāĻŋāĻ¤ā§āĻ°ā§āϝ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻŦāĻžāĻ¸ā§āϤ⧁āϤāĻ¨ā§āĻ¤ā§āϰ āϏāĻ‚āϰāĻ•ā§āώāĻŖ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āωāĻ¨ā§āύāϤ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āϤāĻžāϰ āωāĻ¤ā§āϏāĻ°ā§āĻ—āϕ⧇ āϤ⧁āϞ⧇ āϧāϰ⧇āĨ¤

āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϜāύ āĻŦāĻŋāĻ–ā§āϝāĻžāϤ, āĻŦāĻšā§ āĻĒ⧁āϰāĻ¸ā§āĻ•āĻžāϰ āĻŦāĻŋāϜāϝāĻŧā§€ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āφāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻŋāĻŸā§‡āĻ•ā§āϟ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤāϕ⧇ āύāϤ⧁āύ āĻ•āϰ⧇ āϏāĻžāϜāĻžāύ⧋āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞ⧇āϰ āĻ—ā§āϰāĻžāωāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻŦā§āϰ⧇āĻ•āĻŋāĻ‚ āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āϞ⧇āĻ–āĻ•āĨ¤

[ā§Ļā§Ļ:ā§Ļā§Ļ:ā§Šā§¨] āĻŽā§āϝāĻžāĻ•ā§āϏāĻ“āϝāĻŧ⧇āϞ āφāϞāϭ⧇āϏ: āχāύāĻŋ āĻšāϞ⧇āύ āĻŽā§āϝāĻžāĻ•ā§āϏāĻ“āϝāĻŧ⧇āϞ āφāϞāϭ⧇āϏ, āĻ•āύāĻ¸ā§āĻŸā§āϰāĻžāĻ•āϟāĻŋāĻ­ āĻ­āϝāĻŧ⧇āϏ⧇āϏ-āĻāϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĨāĻŽ āĻŦāχ āϏāĻŋāϰāĻŋāĻœā§‡ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϕ⧇ āĻ¸ā§āĻŦāĻžāĻ—āϤ āϜāĻžāύāĻžāϤ⧇ āĻāĻ–āĻžāύ⧇āĨ¤

āĻœā§‹āϝāĻŧāĻžāύ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĢā§āϟ, āϏāĻšāϝ⧋āĻ—ā§€ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāϚāĻžāϞāĻ•, āĻ•āĻŽāĻŋāωāύāĻŋāϟāĻŋ āĻĒā§āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāύāĻŋāĻ‚ āĻ•ā§āϝāĻžāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻžāϏ āĻĒā§āϞāĻžāϏ āĻ•āĻŽāĻŋāωāύāĻŋāϟāĻŋ āĻĒā§āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāύāĻŋāĻ‚ āχāωāύāĻŋāĻ­āĻžāĻ°ā§āϏāĻŋāϟāĻŋ āĻ…āĻĢ āĻŦā§āϰāĻŋāϟāĻŋāĻļ āĻ•āϞāĻžāĻŽā§āĻŦāĻŋāϝāĻŧāĻž, āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻāχ āĻŦāχ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āĻŦāϞ⧇āϛ⧇āύāĨ¤

[ā§Ļā§§:ā§Ļā§Ģ:⧧⧍] āĻļāĻžāĻ°ā§āϞāϟ āύāĻ°ā§āϤāϕ⧀: Stead āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āφāĻ•āĻ°ā§āώāĻŖā§€āϝāĻŧ, āĻ­āĻžāϞāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻ—āĻŦ⧇āώāĻŖāĻž āĻ•āϰāĻž, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āωāĻ¤ā§āϏāĻžāĻšā§€ āϝ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĻāĻžāύ āĻ•āϰ⧇ āĻĒ⧃āĻĨāĻŋāĻŦā§€āϤ⧇ āĻœā§€āĻŦāύ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ āϏ⧁āϰāĻ•ā§āώāĻŋāϤ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇āϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŽā§ŒāϞāĻŋāĻ• āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āĻ•āϰ⧇ āϏ⧇āϞāĻĢāĻŋ āĻ­āĻŋāĻ¤ā§āϤāĻŋāĻ• āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāϕ⧋āĻŖ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āφāϰāĻ“ āϏāĻŽāĻ¸ā§āϤ āϜ⧁āĻĄāĻŧ⧇ āĻĨāĻžāĻ•āĻž āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāϕ⧋āϪ⧇⧎

[00:01:00] āĻŽā§āϝāĻžāĻ•ā§āϏāĻ“āϝāĻŧ⧇āϞ āφāϞāϭ⧇āϏ: āĻāχ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϚāĻžāϰ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āϏāĻŋāϰāĻŋāĻœā§‡āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĨāĻŽ āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤāϕ⧇ āĻĒ⧁āύāĻ°ā§āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϝāĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞ⧇āϰ āĻ—ā§āϰāĻžāωāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻŦā§āϰ⧇āĻ•āĻŋāĻ‚ āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϤ⧇ āĻ—āĻ­ā§€āϰāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āϤāϞāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āϝāĻžāϝāĻŧāĨ¤

[āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ āĻāĻ•ā§āϏāĻāύāĻāĻŽāĻāĻ•ā§āϏ] āĻļāĻžāĻ°ā§āϞāϟ āύāĻ°ā§āϤāϕ⧀: The author has generously offered ten books for our giveaway. Be sure to check out the information on the constructive Voices website constructive dash voices.com and on social media – hosted by Jackie de Burca

[00:01:24] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āϤāĻžāχ āφāϜāϕ⧇ āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āĻŸā§‡āĻĄāϕ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻĒ⧇āϝāĻŧ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āϰ⧋āĻŽāĻžāĻžā§āϚāĻŋāϤāĨ¤ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āφāĻļā§āϚāĻ°ā§āϝāϜāύāĻ• āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āϞ⧇āĻ–āĻ• āϝ⧇āϟāĻŋāϤ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻĒ⧁āϰ⧋āĻĒ⧁āϰāĻŋ āĻœā§āĻžāĻžāύ⧇āϰ āĻŽā§āĻ•ā§āϤ⧋āϰ āϞ⧋āĻĄ āϖ⧁āρāĻœā§‡ āĻĒ⧇āϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϜāύ āωāĻ¤ā§āϏāĻžāĻšā§€ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻĒāϤāĻŋ āϝāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ⧇āϰ āϰ⧂āĻĒāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϤāϰāĻ•āĻžāϰ⧀ āĻļāĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋāϰ āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻ—āĻ­ā§€āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāĻļā§āϰ⧁āϤāĻŋāĻŦāĻĻā§āϧāĨ¤ āĻāĻ–āύ, āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋāϰ āϞ⧇āĻ–āĻ• āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāĻŋ āωāĻ˛ā§āϞ⧇āĻ– āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϕ⧇ āĻļāĻŋāϰ⧋āύāĻžāĻŽ āĻĻāĻŋāϤ⧇ āϝāĻžāĻšā§āĻ›āĻŋ āύāĻž āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ āĻļāĻŋāϰ⧋āύāĻžāĻŽāϟāĻŋ āĻŦ⧇āĻļ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļ⧇āώ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻžāϰ āύāĻŋāĻœā§‡āϰ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāϞāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻ›āĻ¨ā§āĻĻ āĻ•āϰāĻŋāĨ¤ āϝāĻžāχāĻšā§‹āĻ•, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϝ⧇ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϝāĻžāϞ⧋āϚāύāĻžāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āĻĻ⧇āϖ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āϤāĻžāϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋāϰ āĻļ⧁āϰ⧁āϤ⧇ āĻŦāϞāĻž āĻšāϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇ āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āĻŸā§‡āĻĄ āϏ⧇āϞāĻĢāĻŋ āĻ­āĻŋāĻ¤ā§āϤāĻŋāĻ• āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇āϰ āĻŽā§ŒāϞāĻŋāĻ• āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ⧇āϰ āĻŽāĻžāĻ§ā§āϝāĻŽā§‡ āĻĒ⧃āĻĨāĻŋāĻŦā§€āϤ⧇ āĻœā§€āĻŦāύ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ āϏ⧁āϰāĻ•ā§āώāĻŋāϤ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻ§ā§āϝāϤāĻžāĻŽā§‚āϞāĻ•, āĻ­āĻžāϞ āĻ—āĻŦ⧇āώāĻŖāĻž āĻ•āϰāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āωāĻ¤ā§āϏāĻžāĻšā§€ āϝ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĻāĻžāύ āĻ•āϰ⧇āϛ⧇āύāĨ¤ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āφāϰ⧋ āϏāĻŦ āϜ⧁āĻĄāĻŧ⧇ āφāĻĄāĻŧāĻžāφāĻĄāĻŧāĻŋ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāϕ⧋āĻŖ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāϕ⧋āĻŖ. āĻĒā§āϰāĻĨāĻŽāϤ, āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž, āφāϜ āĻāĻ–āĻžāύ⧇ āĻĨāĻžāĻ•āĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϕ⧇ āĻ…āύ⧇āĻ• āϧāĻ¨ā§āϝāĻŦāĻžāĻĻ āĻŦāϞāϤ⧇ āϚāĻžāχāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϝāĻĻāĻŋ āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āĻŦā§āϝāĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋāĻ—āϤāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻĒ⧇āĻļāĻžāĻ—āϤāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϕ⧇ āϤāĻž āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āϤāĻžāϰāĻŋāϤāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻŦāϞāϤ⧇ āϚāĻžāύāĨ¤

[00:02:29] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: āĻ“āĻš, āϧāĻ¨ā§āϝāĻŦāĻžāĻĻ, āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ. āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāϞāϤ⧇ āĻĒ⧇āϰ⧇ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻ­āĻžāϞ⧋ āϞāĻžāĻ—āϛ⧇āĨ¤

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āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āϝ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϏāĻŦ āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āφāĻ¨ā§āϤāσāϏāĻ‚āϝ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤ. āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāĻ–āύ āĻĒā§āϰāĻžāϝāĻŧ 25 āĻŦāĻ›āϰ āϧāϰ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϜāύ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āφāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻŋāĻŸā§‡āĻ•ā§āϟ āĻšāϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāĻ–āύāĻ“ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āφāϗ⧇āϰ āĻŽāϤ⧋āχ āωāĻ¤ā§āϏāĻžāĻšā§€āĨ¤ āĻāϟāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāϕ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āĻļāĻŋāĻ˛ā§āĻĒ⧇āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋ āĻ­āĻžāϞāĻŦāĻžāϏāĻžāϕ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āĻ•āĻžāϛ⧇ āϏāĻŦāĻšā§‡āϝāĻŧ⧇ āϏ⧂āĻ•ā§āĻˇā§āĻŽ āĻŽāĻžāĻ§ā§āϝāĻŽ āĻŦāϞ⧇ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻŽāϤāĻŋ āĻĻāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇āĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻ­ā§‚āĻŽāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻ•āĻžāϜ āĻ•āϰāϛ⧇ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻļāĻŋāĻ˛ā§āĻĒ⧇āϰ āĻāχ āĻœā§€āĻŦāĻ¨ā§āϤ āĻ•āĻžāϜāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āϤ⧈āϰāĻŋ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻœā§€āĻŦāĻ¨ā§āϤ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻ­āĻžāĻ¸ā§āĻ•āĻ°ā§āϝ āϤ⧈āϰāĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϏāĻšāϝ⧋āĻ—āĻŋāϤāĻž āĻ•āϰāϛ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāϟāĻŋāϕ⧇ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻĻ⧇āĻ–āĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤ āϤāĻžāχ āϝ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āĻ…āύ⧁āϰāĻžāĻ—ā§€ āĻ•āĻŋ.

[00:03:23] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻ…āĻŦāĻļā§āϝāχ āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋāϤ⧇ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āϚāĻŋāĻ¤ā§āϰ⧇āϰ āωāĻĒāϰ āĻŽāĻ¨ā§āϤāĻŦā§āϝ āĻ•āϰāĻŦāĨ¤ āϤāĻžāϰāĻž āĻāϕ⧇āĻŦāĻžāϰ⧇ āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āĻŽāϝāĻŧāĻ•āϰ.

[00:03:28] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: āĻ“āĻš! āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϕ⧇ āĻ…āύ⧇āĻ• āϧāĻ¨ā§āϝāĻŦāĻžāĻĻāĨ¤ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϤāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϧāĻžāϰāĻŖāĻžāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϕ⧇ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻˇā§āĻ•āĻžāϰ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āϏāĻšāĻžāϝāĻŧāĻ• āĻŦāϞ⧇ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ, āĻāĻŽāύāĻ•āĻŋ āύāĻŋāĻœā§‡āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ, āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϝāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝāĻ“āĨ¤

[00:03:37] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āĻ…āĻŦāĻļā§āϝāχ āĻ…āĻŦāĻļā§āϝāχāĨ¤ āϤ⧋ āϚāϞ⧁āύ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĢ⧇āĻļāύāĻžāϞ āĻŦā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻ—ā§āϰāĻžāωāĻ¨ā§āĻĄ āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟ⧁ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāϞāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻ¸ā§āĻĒāĻˇā§āϟāϤāχ āĻāĻ•āϜāύ āϞ⧇āĻ–āĻ• āĻšāĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻžāϰ āĻĒāĻžāĻļāĻžāĻĒāĻžāĻļāĻŋ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āύāĻŋāϜāĻ¸ā§āĻŦ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻļā§€āϞāύ āϰāϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇, āϤāĻžāχ āφāϏ⧁āύ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āϏ⧇āχ āĻĻāĻŋāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āφāϰāĻ“ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁āϟāĻž āφāĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āĻ•āĻžāϰ āĻ•āϰāĻŋāĨ¤

[00:03:52] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: Right. Well, as I said, I’ve been in the field of landscape architecture for about 25 years now. I studied at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, where I’d already done a degree in art. And then I decided that I wanted to take my art sort of into the public realm and into the landscape to make what I kind of see as the most interactive and experiential artworks.

āφāϰ āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻŋ ⧍ā§Ģ āĻŦāĻ›āϰ āϧāϰ⧇ āĻāϟāĻž āĻ•āϰ⧇ āφāϏāĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĨāĻŽāĻĻāĻŋāϕ⧇, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻ­ā§āϝāĻžāĻ™ā§āϕ⧁āĻ­āĻžāϰ āĻļāĻšāϰ⧇āϰ āĻ—ā§āϰāĻŋāύāĻ“āϝāĻŧ⧇āϜ āĻŦāĻŋāĻ­āĻžāϗ⧇ āĻ•āĻžāϜ āĻ•āϰāϤāĻžāĻŽ, āϝāĻž āϏ⧇āχ āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ⧇ āϏ⧇āϤ⧁āĻŦāĻ¨ā§āϧāύ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ…āĻ¤ā§āϝāĻ¨ā§āϤ āωāĻĻā§āĻ­āĻžāĻŦāύ⧀ āϧāĻžāϰāĻŖāĻž āĻ›āĻŋāϞ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞ and planning, and then to bring landscape and arthem into that, to create cycling and pedestrian routes through the whole city. So to create a network of these green and beautiful routes that people could travel through the city on. So I did that for a few years, and then I moved to London 20 years ago, and I worked in a variety of practices there. I first worked in an urban design practice. Then I worked with a wonderful landscape architect named Martha Schwartz and ended up running her studio in London.

āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāϰāĻĒāϰ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻ…āύ⧁āϏāϰāĻŖ āĻ•āϰ⧇, āφāĻŽāĻŋ Aecom-āĻāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻ•āĻžāϜ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϏ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ⧇ āĻĄāĻŋāϜāĻžāχāύ āĻ¸ā§āϟ⧁āĻĄāĻŋāĻ“ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāϚāĻžāϞāύāĻž āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϏ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āφāĻ¨ā§āϤāĻ°ā§āϜāĻžāϤāĻŋāĻ•āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻ•āĻžāϜ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻŦāĻĄāĻŧ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāϏāϰ⧇ āĻ•āĻžāϜ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻ…āĻ­āĻŋāĻœā§āĻžāϤāĻžāϰ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļāĻžāϞ āϏ⧁āϝ⧋āĻ— āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĨ¤ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϝ⧇ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•āĻ˛ā§āĻĒāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āϤāĻž āĻ…āύ⧇āĻ• āĻŦāĻĄāĻŧ āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĨ¤ āφāϰ āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻŋ 2013 āϏāĻžāϞ⧇ āφāϰāĻŦāĻžāύ āύāĻžāĻŽāĻ• āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āύāĻŋāϜāĻ¸ā§āĻŦ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻļā§€āϞāύ āĻļ⧁āϰ⧁ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻāχ āϧāϰāϪ⧇āϰ āϏāĻŽāĻ¸ā§āϤ āĻ…āĻ­āĻŋāĻœā§āĻžāϤāĻž āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻāϏ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ⧇āϰ āĻĻ⧈āύāĻ¨ā§āĻĻāĻŋāύ āĻœā§€āĻŦāύ⧇ āϏ⧌āĻ¨ā§āĻĻāĻ°ā§āϝ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāύāĻ¨ā§āĻĻ āφāύāϤ⧇ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦ⧇āĻļ āϤ⧈āϰāĻŋ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻŦāĻŋāώāϝāĻŧ⧇ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āφāĻ—ā§āϰāĻšā§€ āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĻžāĻŽāĨ¤

āϤāĻžāχ āϝ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻ•āĻ–āύ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āĻ•āĻžāϜ āĻ•āϰāĻ›āĻŋ āĻ•āĻŋ.

[00:05:48] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ Burca: āϤāĻžāχ, āĻšā§āϝāĻžāρ, āϕ⧀ āφāĻļā§āϚāĻ°ā§āϝāϜāύāĻ• āĻ—āĻ˛ā§āĻĒāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ•āĻŋ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϕ⧇, āĻĒā§āϰāĻĨāĻŽāϤ, āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦāχ āϞāĻŋāĻ–āϤ⧇ āĻāύ⧇āϛ⧇? āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ, āĻ…āĻŦāĻļā§āϝāχ, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āĻāχ āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āĻĻ⧁ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϝāĻ¨ā§āϤ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻŦā§āϝāĻ¸ā§āϤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϰāĻ™āĻŋāύ āĻĒ⧇āĻļāĻžāĻĻāĻžāϰ āĻœā§€āĻŦāύ āĻāρāϕ⧇āϛ⧇āύāĨ¤

[00:06:01] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: āĻšā§āϝāĻžāρāĨ¤ āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻ­āĻžāĻ—ā§āϝāĻŦāĻžāύ āϝ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āφāϰāĻŦāĻžāύ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻ­āĻžāϞ āĻĻāϞ āĻ•āĻžāϜ āĻ•āϰāϛ⧇āĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻ­āĻŦ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āϝ⧇ āϏāĻ‚āĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻŽāύ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϜāĻžāϝāĻŧāĻ—āĻžāϝāĻŧ āĻ›āĻŋāϞ āϝ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻŽāϏ⧃āĻŖāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āϚāϞāϛ⧇āĨ¤ āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āĻ•āĻžāϛ⧇ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āϚāĻŽā§ŽāĻ•āĻžāϰ āϞ⧋āĻ• āĻ›āĻŋāϞ āϝāĻžāϰāĻž āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•āĻ˛ā§āĻĒ⧇āϰ āύ⧇āϤ⧃āĻ¤ā§āĻŦ āĻĻāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞ, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϭ⧇āĻŦ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĻžāĻŽ, āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇, āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻ–āύ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϏ⧁āϝ⧋āĻ— āϝ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦāχāϤ⧇ āĻ•āĻžāϜ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋ, āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻ•āϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ• āĻŦāĻ›āϰ āϧāϰ⧇ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āϚāĻžāχāĻ›āĻŋāϞāĻžāĻŽāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āϚāĻžāĻĒ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻ­āĻŦ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻļ⧁āϰ⧁ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āϧāĻžāϰāĻŖāĻžāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϕ⧇ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻĻā§āϰ⧁āϤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϜāϰ⧁āϰ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻŦ⧇ āĻ›āĻĄāĻŧāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻĻ⧇āĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻž āĻĻāϰāĻ•āĻžāϰ, āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋ āφāϏāϞ⧇āχ āĻ•āĻžāϜ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āφāĻšā§āĻŦāĻžāύāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϭ⧇āĻŦ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĻžāĻŽ, āϝāĻĻāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāĻ–āύ āĻāϟāĻŋ āύāĻž āĻ•āϰāĻŋ, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϏ⧁āϝ⧋āĻ—āϟāĻŋ āĻŽāĻŋāϏ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āϝāĻžāĻšā§āĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤

āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāϰ āφāĻļ⧇āĻĒāĻžāĻļ⧇ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āϜāϰ⧁āϰāĻŋāϤāĻž āĻ…āύ⧁āĻ­āĻŦ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϏāĻŋāĻĻā§āϧāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϤ āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ, āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇, āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāχ āĻŦāĻ›āϰāϟāĻŋ āύāĻŋāϤ⧇ āϝāĻžāĻšā§āĻ›āĻŋ, āϝāĻž āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻŽā§‚āϞāϤ āĻĒā§āϰāĻžāϝāĻŧ āĻāĻ• āĻŦāĻ›āϰ āĻ›āĻŋāϞ, āϝ⧇ āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋāϤ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻĒā§āϰāϚ⧁āϰ āĻļāĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋ āĻŦā§āϝāϝāĻŧ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āĻāĻ•āχ āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻļā§€āϞāύ⧇ āĻ•āĻžāϜ āĻ•āϰāĻž, āϤāĻŦ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦā§āϝāĻ¸ā§āϤ āĻŦāĻ›āϰ āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĨ¤

[00:07:02] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ Burca: āĻšā§āϝāĻžāρ, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāϟāĻžāϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻļāĻ‚āϏāĻž āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻāĻ–āύ, āφāϏ⧁āύ āĻĒ⧇āϤ⧇. āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āωāĻĻā§āĻĻ⧇āĻļā§āϝāĻŽā§‚āϞāĻ•āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āĻļ⧁āϰ⧁āϤ⧇ āĻļāĻŋāϰ⧋āύāĻžāĻŽāϟāĻŋ āĻĻ⧇āĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻžāϰ āϧāĻžāϰāĻŖāĻžāϟāĻŋ āĻŽā§āϛ⧇ āĻĻāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ, āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ āĻļāĻŋāϰ⧋āύāĻžāĻŽāϟāĻŋ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļ⧇āώāĨ¤ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āĻļāĻŋāϰ⧋āύāĻžāĻŽ āĻ•āĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āĻ•āĻŋ? āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž?

[00:07:17] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: āĻ āĻŋāĻ•āĨ¤ āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇, āĻāϕ⧇ āĻĒā§‹āĻ°ā§āĻŸā§āϰ⧇āϟ āϟ⧁ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻŦāϞāĻž āĻšāϝāĻŧ, āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤāϕ⧇ āύāϤ⧁āύ āĻ•āϰ⧇ āϏāĻžāϜāĻžāύ⧋āϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞāĨ¤

And so the phrase portrait to landscape became a defining phrase for me, and it helped me sort of hinge everything in the book on that perspective. So really, portrait to landscape, for me, means two things. One is a shift in our perspective from looking at things, kind of. You know, if you understand a portrait orientation, it’s vertical and really focusing on ourselves and then flipping to a landscape orientation that’s much broader. And it’s a wide angle landscape lens where you include the living world around you, your environment, and your context. So that’s one way that I envision that phrase. But also, to me, it means flipping from just looking at ourselves. So a very kind of inward focused, more selfish gaze outwards to the fuller community. And not just the community of people around us, but the full community of life that is so often ignored by all of our economic structures, our financial structures, our political structures. That full community of life is often just ignored and seen as something to support us rather than support us financially or in terms of what we can extract and take from it, rather than thinking about how we are so interconnected. So that’s really what I wanted to convey in that phrase, portrait to landscape, as a shift in our perspective and in our worldview.

[00:09:16] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇, āĻāĻ–āύ, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āĻļāĻŋāϰ⧋āύāĻžāĻŽāϟāĻŋ āĻ¸ā§āĻĒāĻˇā§āϟāϤāχ āĻāϕ⧇āĻŦāĻžāϰ⧇ āωāĻœā§āĻœā§āĻŦāϞ, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋ āĻāϕ⧇āĻŦāĻžāϰ⧇ āωāĻœā§āĻœā§āĻŦāϞāĨ¤ āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āϝāĻžāϰāĻž āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻĒāĻĄāĻŧ⧇āύāύāĻŋ āϤāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻĻā§āϰ⧁āϤ āĻŦā§āϝāĻžāĻ–ā§āϝāĻž, āĻāϟāĻŋ āϞāĻŋāĻĢāϟ āĻĒāĻŋāϚ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āĻ•āĻŋ?

[00:09:34] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: āĻāϟāĻŋ, āĻ­āĻžāϞ, āĻļāĻŋāϰ⧋āύāĻžāĻŽ āĻšāĻŋāϏāĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻŦāϞāĻž āĻšāϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇, āĻāϟāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ āĻĒ⧁āύāĻ°ā§āύāĻŋāĻ°ā§āĻŽāĻžāϪ⧇āϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞāĨ¤ āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϜāύ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āφāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻŋāĻŸā§‡āĻ•ā§āϟāĨ¤ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻ•āĻŋāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āϞāĻŋāĻ–āϤ⧇ āϜāĻžāύāĻŋ āϤāĻž āĻšāϞ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞāĨ¤ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āφāϏāϞ⧇ āĻŦāχ āϞāĻŋāĻ–āϤ⧇ āϜāĻžāύāĻŋ āύāĻžāĨ¤

āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϝāĻž āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āϤāĻž āĻšāϞ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞ āĻšāĻŋāϏāĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋ āĻĢā§āϰ⧇āĻŽ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻ•āĻŋāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āύāϤ⧁āύ āĻŽāĻžāϟāĻŋ āϤ⧈āϰāĻŋ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋ āϤāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĻāĻžāύ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϤāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŦ⧇āϏāϞāĻžāχāύ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāĻŽāĻžāύ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻŋāϤāĻŋ āĻŦāĻ°ā§āĻŖāύāĻž āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻ—āĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĻžāĻŽāĨ¤

āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāχ āĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāĻŽāĻžāύ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻŋāϤāĻŋāϤ⧇ āĻ•āĻŋāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻāϏ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āϤāĻž āĻĻ⧇āĻ–āϞāĻžāĻŽāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāϰāĻĒāϰ⧇ āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋ āĻŦā§āϝāĻžāĻ–ā§āϝāĻž āĻ•āϰ⧇ āϝ⧇ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāĻ–āύ āϏ⧇āχ āĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāĻŽāĻžāύ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻŋāϤāĻŋāϟāĻŋāϕ⧇ āφāϰāĻ“ āϏ⧁āĻ¨ā§āĻĻāϰ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ…āύ⧇āĻ• āĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻŋ āĻ¸ā§āĻŦāĻžāĻ¸ā§āĻĨā§āϝāĻ•āϰ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϏāĻ‚āĻšāϤ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁āϤ⧇ āϰ⧂āĻĒāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϤāϰ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋāĨ¤

āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋāϜāĻžāχāύ⧇āϰ āύ⧀āϤāĻŋāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϰ āϰ⧂āĻĒāϰ⧇āĻ–āĻž āĻĻāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϏāĻžāϧāĻžāϰāĻŖāϤ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•ā§ŒāĻļāϞ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŦ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāϰāĻĒāϰ⧇ āϏ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāρāϚāϟāĻŋ āĻŽā§‚āϞ āĻ•āĻ°ā§āĻŽā§‡ āϚāϞ⧇ āϝāĻžāχ āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻŦā§āϝāĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋ āĻšāĻŋāϏāĻžāĻŦ⧇, āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒā§āϰāĻĻāĻžāϝāĻŧ āĻšāĻŋāϏāĻžāĻŦ⧇, āϜāĻžāϤāĻŋ āĻšāĻŋāϏāĻžāĻŦ⧇, āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻŦ āĻŽāĻžāύāĻŦāϤāĻž āĻšāĻŋāϏāĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻ—ā§āϰāĻšāĻŖ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋ āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϤāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻĻāĻŋāϕ⧇ āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āϝ⧇āϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āφāϰāĻ“ āχāϤāĻŋāĻŦāĻžāϚāĻ• āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻļāĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻĻā§€ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻĒ⧁āύāĻ°ā§āϜāĻ¨ā§āĻŽāĻŽā§‚āϞāĻ• āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤāĨ¤

[00:10:51] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āĻĢā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϟāĻžāĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻ•āĨ¤ āĻāĻ–āύ, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āϞāĻ•ā§āĻˇā§āϝ āĻļā§āϰ⧋āϤāĻž āĻšāĻŋāϏāĻžāĻŦ⧇ āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āϕ⧇ āĻŦā§‹āĻā§‡āύ?

[00:10:57] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āφāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻŋāĻŸā§‡āĻ•ā§āϟ āĻšāĻŋāϏāĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻĒā§āϰāĻžāϝāĻŧāĻļāχ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻĄāĻŋāϜāĻžāχāύāĻžāϰāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϞāĻŋāĻ–āϤ⧇ āϚāĻžāχāύāĻŋ, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ•āύāĻĢāĻžāϰ⧇āĻ¨ā§āϏ⧇, āĻ…ā§āϝāĻžāĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻžāĻ°ā§āĻĄ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻˇā§āĻ āĻžāύ⧇, āĻ“āϝāĻŧ⧇āĻŦāĻŋāύāĻžāϰ⧇, āĻāχ āϧāϰāϪ⧇āϰ āϜāĻŋāύāĻŋāϏāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϤ⧇ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āφāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻŋāĻŸā§‡āĻ•ā§āϟāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāϞāĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤ . āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϏāĻŦāĻžāχ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻ…āύ⧁āϰ⧂āĻĒ āϜāĻŋāύāĻŋāϏ āĻŦ⧁āĻāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋ, āĻšāϝāĻŧāϤ⧋ āĻ•āĻžāϰ⧋ āĻ•āĻžāϰ⧋ āĻŽāϤ⧇āϰ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§āĻĨāĻ•ā§āϝ āφāϛ⧇, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύāĨ¤ āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āĻ…āĻŦāĻļā§āϝāχ, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āχāϤāĻŋāĻŽāĻ§ā§āϝ⧇āχ āϰ⧂āĻĒāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϤāϰāĻŋāϤāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāϞāĻ›āĻŋ āϝāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻ•āϰāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āϝāĻž āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻšā§‡āϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĻžāĻŽ āϤāĻž āĻšāϞ āĻŦāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āĻ•āĻžāϛ⧇ āĻŦā§āϝāĻžāĻ–ā§āϝāĻž āĻ•āϰāĻž āϝ⧇ āϕ⧇āύ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻāϤ āϗ⧁āϰ⧁āĻ¤ā§āĻŦāĻĒā§‚āĻ°ā§āĻŖāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāχ āĻŽā§āĻšā§āĻ°ā§āϤ⧇, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻĻ⧇āĻ–āϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāĻšā§āĻ›āĻŋ āύāĻž āϝ⧇ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āĻĒā§āϰ⧇āϏ⧇ āϕ⧋āύ āĻŽāύ⧋āϝ⧋āĻ— āĻĒāĻžāϝāĻŧāĨ¤

āωāĻ¨ā§āύāϝāĻŧāύ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻĒā§āϰ⧇āĻ•ā§āώāĻŋāϤ⧇ āĻāϟāĻž āĻ…āĻŦāĻļā§āϝāχ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻŽāύ⧋āϝ⧋āĻ— āύ⧇āχ. āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ āĻŦ⧁āĻāϤ⧇ āĻšā§‡āϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĻžāĻŽ āϕ⧇āύ āϤāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϝāĻ¤ā§āύ āύ⧇āĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻž āωāϚāĻŋāϤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇āĨ¤ āϏāĻŽā§āĻ­āĻžāĻŦāύāĻžāϰ āĻĻāĻŋāĻ• āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻ•āϤāϟāĻž āϗ⧁āϰ⧁āĻ¤ā§āĻŦāĻĒā§‚āĻ°ā§āĻŖāĨ¤

āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϝāĻĻāĻŋ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāϟāĻŋāϤ⧇ āĻĢā§‹āĻ•āĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āϤāĻŦ⧇ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāĻŽāĻžāύ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻ—āϤ āĻšā§āϝāĻžāϞ⧇āĻžā§āϜāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϰ āĻ…āύ⧇āĻ•āϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āĻ•āĻžāϟāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āωāĻ āϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āĻāϟāĻž āĻāϰ āĻŦāĻžāχāϰ⧇āĨ¤ āĻāϟāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻžāĻŽāĻžāϜāĻŋāĻ• āĻšā§āϝāĻžāϞ⧇āĻžā§āϜ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ…āĻ°ā§āĻĨāύ⧈āϤāĻŋāĻ• āĻšā§āϝāĻžāϞ⧇āĻžā§āϜāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϰ āĻŽāĻ§ā§āϝ⧇āĻ“ āĻĒā§āϰāϏāĻžāϰāĻŋāϤāĨ¤ āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻšā§‡āϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĻžāĻŽ āϝ⧇ āϞ⧋āϕ⧇āϰāĻž āĻāχ āϏāĻŽāĻ¸ā§āϤ āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āĻŽāϝāĻŧāĻ•āϰ āϏ⧁āĻŦāĻŋāϧāĻžāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āĻĻ⧇āĻ–āϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāĻŦ⧇ āϝāĻž āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āφāύāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰ⧇ āϝāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāϟāĻŋāϰ āĻĻāĻŋāϕ⧇ āĻŽāύ⧋āϝ⧋āĻ— āĻĻāĻŋāχ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϝāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āĻŽāĻžāύāĻŦ āωāĻ¨ā§āύāϝāĻŧāύ⧇āϰ āĻ•ā§āώ⧇āĻ¤ā§āϰ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋāϰ āωāĻĒāϰ āĻĢā§‹āĻ•āĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāĻŋāĨ¤

[00:12:27] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: So, of course, we’re recording this in May of 2024, and it’ll be released in June of 2024. But, you know, people tend to listen to these podcasts for years afterwards. So that’s why I’m marking the date. No other reason for it. But at this time, we’re only a few months after the law, the biodiversity neck gain laws come out in England. And in a sense, that’s like, okay, that’s a little bit of.

āĻāϟāĻž āĻāĻ•āϟ⧁ āĻ¸ā§āĻŦā§€āĻ•āĻžāϰ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻŦāĻŋāώāϝāĻŧ āϝ⧇, āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇, āϝāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāĻ–āύ āωāĻ¨ā§āύāϝāĻŧāύ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āϝāĻžāχ āϤāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻŦāĻŋāĻŦ⧇āϚāύāĻž āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇ āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āĻŦā§āϝāĻžāĻĒāĻ•āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻ—āĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ—ā§‹āϞ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇āĨ¤ āϝāĻĻāĻŋāĻ“ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϝāĻĨ⧇āĻˇā§āϟ āύāϝāĻŧ, āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁āĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻŽāĻžāύ, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻŽāĻžāύ āϝ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āωāĻĒāĻžāϝāĻŧ āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āφāϏ⧇. āĻāϟāĻž āĻāχ āĻ•ā§āώ⧁āĻĻā§āϰ āωāĻĒāϞāĻŦā§āϧāĻŋ āĻŽāϤ. āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϝāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŦāϞāĻŋ, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻŦāĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āύāĻž āϝ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻŽā§‹āĻŸā§‡āĻ“ āϝāĻĨ⧇āĻˇā§āϟ, āĻāϟāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŽāĻžāύāĻŦāϤāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇āϰ āĻŽāϤ⧋ āĻŦāĻĄāĻŧ āĻĒā§āϰāĻļā§āύ⧇ āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āφāϏ⧇āĨ¤ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāĻŽāύ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϝāĻžāϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻĒ⧌āρāϛ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āϝ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āĻāĻŽāύ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āφāχāύ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇ āϝāĻž āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϛ⧋āϟ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§āĻĨāĻ•ā§āϝ āϤ⧈āϰāĻŋ āĻ•āϰāĻŦ⧇, āĻ…āĻ—āĻ¤ā§āϝāĻž āĻāĻŽāύāĻ•āĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦāĻĄāĻŧ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§āĻĨāĻ•ā§āϝāĻ“ āύāϝāĻŧāĨ¤ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāĻŽāĻžāύ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ• āϕ⧀ āϤāĻž āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļāĻžāϞ āĻĒā§āϰāĻļā§āύ āϤ⧁āϞ⧇āϛ⧇? āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āĻ•āĻŋ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰ⧇āύ?

[00:13:36] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: Well, thank you for bringing up the biodiversity net gain because as you say, that really is a significant step forward. I was speaking to Professor David Hill last week actually, during an online webinar, and he is the person that was really advocating for biodiversity net gain. He’s an ecologist, and so he was working with the government to advocate for this legislation for 20 years. So it’s not a new idea. And unfortunately, it didn’t really pan out the way he saw it either. It’s much more now limited and the focus is on, on site gains rather than off site, which. Anyway, that’s a whole other.

[00:14:18] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āĻāĻ•āχ āĻŦāϞāϤ⧇ āϝāĻžāĻšā§āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĻžāĻŽ. āϏāĻŽā§āĻ­āĻŦāϤ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻ•āĻĨā§‹āĻĒāĻ•āĻĨāύ āϝāĻĻāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•āĻžāĻļ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻŽāϤāĻŋ āĻĻ⧇āĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻž āĻšāϝāĻŧāĨ¤

[00:14:23] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: Yes, but yes. The point of that is that I see that this whole situation that we found ourselves in this, this awful predicament in terms of climate change, global warming, ecological collapse and so many other things, in terms of plastics pollutions and the way we’re seeing the arctic ice melts. And there’s so many environmental issues now. And I really see that all stemming from the worldview that most of western society has, which is a very dualistic construct. So it’s humans, us versus it nature, and it’s this mindset that I think it has centuries, maybe even millennia of history of seeing ourselves as dominant over and as sort of the conqueror over nature. And that nature is really just there for our use and that it doesn’t have value apart from the use that we give nature. So that is why in all of our sort of driving structures, in our systemic structures in the western world at least I’ll only speak from that perspective, is that we now find ourselves in a place where we have just been taking and extracting and exploiting and withdrawing and never investing back, you know, and now nature is just completely overwhelmed.

There was quite a time period where nature was able to absorb all of the contaminants and pollutants and all of the waste and toxins that humanity was dumping into it. Now there’s so many humans on this planet and there’s so much waste and so much pollution that nature cannot absorb it any longer. And so now that’s why we’re starting to see all these changes. So, you know, we’ve really worked ourselves into a mess that we now need a different way of thinking to be able to come out of this mess. We can’t start, we can’t keep going back to our same sort of thinking of, oh, we need to come up with more technological solutions. It’s really thinking about how do we now work collaboratively with nature and how do we see ourselves as part of nature rather than separate from it, which indeed we are. I mean, we completely are reliant on the food that we eat, the soils that grow that food, the air we breathe, the fresh water that we drink. Hopefully, many people don’t have access to fresh water, but all of these things are integral in our bodies. You know, they’re what, what nourish us. They’re what keep even our own bodies going and give us life. So it’s completely inseparable. And yet, and yet somehow we’ve made this construct that, that we are separate. Now we need to overcome that. And that’s what a big part of the shift from portrait to landscape is about.

[00:17:50] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϏ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ⧇ āĻāĻŽāύ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āύāĻŋāĻ•ā§āώ⧇āĻĒ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āϝāĻžāĻšā§āĻ›āĻŋ āϝāĻž āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āĻ…āĻ‚āĻļ āύāϝāĻŧ, āϤāĻŦ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻ…āĻ°ā§āĻĨ⧇ āφāĻ¨ā§āϤāσāϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻŋāϤ, āĻšā§āϝāĻžāρ, āĻĻā§āĻŦ⧈āϤāĻŦāĻžāĻĻā§€, āĻ¸ā§āĻĒāĻˇā§āϟāϤāχ, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āφāϞ⧋āϚāύāĻž āĻ•āϰ⧇āϛ⧇āύ āĻāĻŽāύ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ• āϰāϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇āĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāϰāĻĒāϰ āĻ•ā§āϝāĻžāϚ 22 āϝ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āύāĻŋāĻ°ā§āĻĻāĻŋāĻˇā§āϟ āĻŦāϝāĻŧāϏ⧇āϰ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ āϏāĻ‚āĻ–ā§āϝāĻžāĻ—āϰāĻŋāĻˇā§āĻ , āϧāϰāĻž āϝāĻžāĻ• āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ•āĻžāĻœā§‡āϰ āĻŦāϝāĻŧāϏ, āĻ…āĻ°ā§āĻĨ āωāĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§āϜāύ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇. āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāχ āϤāĻžāϰāĻž āĻāχ āϧāϰāύ⧇āϰ āφāϟāϕ⧇ āφāϛ⧇, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āĻ…āĻ°ā§āĻĨ āωāĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§āϜāύ⧇āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāϝāĻŧā§‹āϜāύ⧇āϰ āϚāĻ•ā§āϰ⧇āĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ…āĻ—āĻ¤ā§āϝāĻž āϤāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāĻ­āĻ™ā§āĻ—āĻŋ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āĻļ⧁āϰ⧁ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻŋ āϏ⧁āϝ⧋āĻ— āύ⧇āχ, āĻāĻŽāύāĻ•āĻŋ āϝāĻĻāĻŋ āϤāĻžāϰāĻž āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āĻŦāχ āĻĒāĻĄāĻŧ⧇ āĻŦāĻž āϤāĻžāϰāĻž āĻ—ā§āϰāĻšāĻŖ āĻ•āϰ⧇, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āĻŽāĻŋāĻĄāĻŋāϝāĻŧāĻžāϰ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϝ āϰ⧂āĻĒāĨ¤

āĻ•āϤ āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ āφāϏāϞ⧇ āĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāύāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϤāϰ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āωāĻĒāϞāĻŦā§āϧāĻŋ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āĻ•āĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻ•āĻŋ āĻŦāϞāĻ›āĻŋ?

[00:18:34] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: Yeah. Well, it’s a good question. And of course, it’s something that I think it’s a shift that has to happen internally. And once that has happened, I think your whole perspective on life changes. And then, for example, what you choose to do for your work might be something very different than what you had chosen previously, how you choose to eat, you know, that will change how you choose to get from a to b. You know, perhaps rather than choosing to drive and to use fuel, you might choose to walk or to cycle and actually get exercise and, you know, sure to nourish your body that way as well. So there’s all these things. When we start to have a different perspective with our lifestyle will then, I think, start to evolve as well. And I know that’s happened in my own life. You know, more and more and more just different aspects of that mentality then are integrated into my life and just become part of my daily routine, which I don’t even think about then any longer. But I think, well, going back to the question of work and careers, there’s actually a huge amount of opportunity for people getting involved in different green types of approaches. And for example, the government and governments around the world have said that by 2030, we need to have protected 30% of land and 30% of seas, and yet there are very, very few people trained in conservation, in park management and that sort of thing. And yet we’ll have all these protected nature space spaces with very few people that know how to manage it. So there is a huge lack of experience and skill. So we need now people to start going into those fields that in the past had very little funding, had very kind of few routes of education through, but now those are picking up and so there’s many, many opportunities that way. That’s just one example of the type of career that people could maybe get.

[00:20:50] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āĻšā§āϝāĻžāρ, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŦāϞāϤ⧇ āϚāĻžāĻšā§āĻ›āĻŋ, āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻĻ⧁āĻ°ā§āĻĻāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϤ āωāĻ¤ā§āϤāϰāĨ¤ āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āφāϗ⧇ āϝāĻž āĻŦāϞ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞ⧇āύ, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āĻāĻ•āĻŦāĻžāϰ āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āĻŽāĻžāύāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āύāĻŋāϤ⧇ āĻļ⧁āϰ⧁ āĻ•āϰāϞ⧇, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āĻ—āĻžāĻĄāĻŧāĻŋ āĻŦāĻž āϏāĻžāχāϕ⧇āϞ āϚāĻžāϞāĻžāύ⧋āϰ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤ⧇ āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāϰ āĻŦāĻž āĻšāĻžāρāϟāĻžāĻšāĻžāρāϟāĻŋ āĻ•āϰāĻž āĻšā§‹āĻ• āύāĻž āϕ⧇āύ āϤāĻžāϰ āĻŽāĻ§ā§āϝ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦāĻž āĻĻ⧁āϟāĻŋ āϛ⧋āϟ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦā§āϝāĻžāϝāĻŧāĻžāĻŽ āĻŦāĻž āĻĄāĻžāϝāĻŧ⧇āĻŸā§‡āϰ āĻŽāϤ⧋āĨ¤ āĻļāĻžāϏāύ, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āĻŦāĻžāϰ āĻļ⧁āϰ⧁ āĻ•āϰāϞ⧇, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āĻļāĻžāϏāύ⧇āϰ āĻŦāĻŋāϟ āĻ•āĻžāϟāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āωāĻ āϤ⧇ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϟāĻŋ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āĻœā§€āĻŦāύ⧇āϰ āĻ…āĻ‚āĻļ āĻšāϝāĻŧ⧇ āϝāĻžāϝāĻŧāĨ¤ āϤāĻžāχ āϝ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϚāĻŽā§ŽāĻ•āĻžāϰ āĻĒāϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ¨ā§āϟ. āĻāĻ–āύ, āϏāĻŽā§āĻ­āĻŦāϤ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ 2030 āϏāĻžāϞ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ•āĻĨā§‹āĻĒāĻ•āĻĨāύ āĻ•āϰāĻž āωāϚāĻŋāϤ, āϝāĻĻāĻŋ āφāϗ⧇ āύāĻž āĻšāϝāĻŧ, āϝāĻžāϰ āĻ…āĻ°ā§āĻĨ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž 2030 āϏāĻžāϞ⧇ āϕ⧋āĻĨāĻžāϝāĻŧ āφāĻ›āĻŋ āϤāĻž āĻĻ⧇āĻ–āĻžāĨ¤ āĻ¸ā§āĻĒāĻˇā§āϟāϤāχ, āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻŦāχāϤ⧇ āĻĢāĻŋāϰ⧇ āϝāĻžāĻšā§āĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤ āĻ¸ā§āĻĒāĻˇā§āϟāϤāχāĨ¤ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻœā§€āĻŦāĻ¨ā§āϤ āĻ•ā§āϝāĻžāύāĻ­āĻžāϏ āĻšāĻŋāϏāĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāϞāĻž āϝāĻžāĻ•āĨ¤

[00:21:31] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: āĻ āĻŋāĻ•? āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϏ⧇āχ āĻ…āĻ­āĻŋāĻŦā§āϝāĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋāϟāĻŋāĻ“ āĻĒāĻ›āĻ¨ā§āĻĻ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ, āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ, āĻ­āĻžāϞ, āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ, āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻŽāύ āĻāĻ•āϜāύ⧇āϰ āĻŽāϤ⧋ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻ­āĻžāϞāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻ…āύ⧁āϰāĻŖāĻŋāϤ āĻšāϝāĻŧ āϝāĻžāϕ⧇ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĨāĻŽā§‡ āĻāĻ•āϜāύ āĻļāĻŋāĻ˛ā§āĻĒā§€ āĻšāĻŋāϏāĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻĒā§āϰāĻļāĻŋāĻ•ā§āώāĻŖ āĻĻ⧇āĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻž āĻšāϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĨ¤ āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āφāĻ°ā§āĻĨ⧇āĻŽā§‡āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§āϰāĻŋāϝāĻŧāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻĒ⧇āχāĻ¨ā§āϟāĻŋāĻ‚āϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§āϰāĻŋāϝāĻŧāĻžāϟāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āĻāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϝāĻž āϏāĻŦāĻšā§‡āϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻŋ āĻĒāĻ›āĻ¨ā§āĻĻ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āϤāĻž āĻšāϞ āĻāϰ āĻ•ā§āώāĻŽāϤāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ§ā§āϰ⧁āĻŦāĻ• āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ⧇āϰ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϤāĻ°ā§āύāĻŋāĻšāĻŋāϤ āϗ⧁āĻŖāĨ¤

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āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āĻāχ āĻŽā§āĻšā§āĻ°ā§āϤ⧇, āĻāϟāĻŋ āφāύ⧁āώāĻ™ā§āĻ—āĻŋāĻ• āĻŦāĻž āχāĻšā§āĻ›āĻžāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāχ āĻšā§‹āĻ• āύāĻž āϕ⧇āύ, āĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻŋāϰāĻ­āĻžāĻ— āχāύāĻĒ⧁āϟ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ⧇āϰ āωāĻĒāϰ āϝ⧇ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ āϰāĻžāĻ–āĻ›āĻŋ āϤāĻžāϰ āĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻŋāϰāĻ­āĻžāĻ—āχ āĻāϟāĻŋāϕ⧇ āĻāĻŽāύāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āĻ•āϰāϛ⧇ āϝāĻž āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āĻāϟāĻŋ āύ⧇āϤāĻŋāĻŦāĻžāϚāĻ•, āĻāχ āϧāϰāϪ⧇āϰ āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻŦāĻžāĻ¸ā§āϤ⧁āϤāĻ¨ā§āĻ¤ā§āϰ⧇āϰ āĻĒāϤāύ āĻŦāĻž, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āĻ˛ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĄāĻ¸ā§āϕ⧇āĻĒ āĻāχ āϧāϰāϪ⧇āϰ āϧāĻ°ā§āώāĻŖāĨ¤ āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ•āĻžāϛ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒā§‚āĻ°ā§āĻŖāϰ⧂āĻĒ⧇ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϟāĻŋāϕ⧇ āĻ­āĻžāĻ¸ā§āĻ•āĻ°ā§āϝ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϝ⧇āĻŽāύ āĻŦāϞ⧇āϛ⧇āύ, āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻœā§€āĻŦāĻ¨ā§āϤ āĻ•ā§āϝāĻžāύāĻ­āĻžāϏ āϤ⧈āϰāĻŋ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻāχ āϏ⧁āϝ⧋āĻ— āϰāϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇, āĻāĻŽāύ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āϝāĻž āϖ⧁āĻŦ āϏ⧁āĻ¨ā§āĻĻāϰ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϝāĻž āϞāĻžāϞāύ-āĻĒāĻžāϞāύ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ•ā§āϰāĻŽāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϧāĻŽāĻžāύ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟ⧁āϝāĻŧāĻžāĻ°ā§āĻĄāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻžāĻšāĻžāĻ¯ā§āϝ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋāĨ¤ āϏ⧁āϤāϰāĻžāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ•āĻžāϛ⧇ āĻĒ⧃āĻĨāĻŋāĻŦā§€āϰ āϏāĻŦāĻšā§‡āϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻŦāĻĄāĻŧ āĻ…āĻĒāϰāĻžāϧ⧀āĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻžāϜāĻžāύ⧋āϰ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤ⧇ āĻāϰ āĻ¸ā§āϟ⧁āϝāĻŧāĻžāĻ°ā§āĻĄ āĻšāĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻžāϰ āϏ⧁āϝ⧋āĻ— āϰāϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇āĨ¤

[00:23:26] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āϏ⧁āϤāϰāĻžāĻ‚ āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋāϤ⧇ āϝ⧇ āωāĻĻā§āϧ⧃āϤāĻŋāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āĻŦā§āϝāĻŦāĻšāĻžāϰ āĻ•āϰ⧇āϛ⧇āύ āϤāĻžāϰ āĻŽāĻ§ā§āϝ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ, āφāϞāĻŦāĻžāĻ°ā§āϟ āφāχāύāĻ¸ā§āϟāĻžāχāύ, āĻāĻ•āϜāύ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ, āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŽāĻšāĻžāĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒā§‚āĻ°ā§āĻŖ āĻ…āĻ‚āĻļāĨ¤ āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϝ⧇ āωāĻĻā§āϧ⧃āϤāĻŋāϟāĻŋ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϤāĻ°ā§āϭ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤ āĻ•āϰ⧇āϛ⧇āύ āϤāĻžāϰ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϕ⧇āĻŦāϞāĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§āϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϏāĻ‚āĻ•ā§āώāĻŋāĻĒā§āϤ āĻ…āĻ‚āĻļ āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϝ⧇ āĻŦāĻŋāώāϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāϞāĻ›āĻŋāϞāĻžāĻŽ āϤāĻžāϤ⧇ āĻĢāĻŋāϰ⧇ āϝāĻžāϝāĻŧ, āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ, āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āφāϞāĻžāĻĻāĻž āĻŦā§‹āϧ āĻ•āϰāĻŋāĨ¤

āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āĻ•āĻŋāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻĻ⧇āĻ–āϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰ⧇āύ āϝ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻ…āϤāĻŋāĻ•ā§āϰāĻŽ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋ? āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŦāϞāϤ⧇ āϚāĻžāĻšā§āĻ›āĻŋ, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϝ⧇ āĻŦāĻŋāώāϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāϞ⧇āϛ⧇āύ, āĻšāĻžāρāϟāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϏāĻžāχāϕ⧇āϞ āϚāĻžāϞāĻžāύ⧋āϰ āĻŽāϤ⧋, āĻĻāĻ°ā§āĻļāĻ• āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻļā§āϰ⧋āϤāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āĻ•āĻžāϛ⧇ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϝ āϕ⧋āύ āϟāĻŋāĻĒāϏ āφāϛ⧇ āĻ•āĻŋ āϝ⧇ āϤāĻžāϰāĻž āĻšāĻ āĻžā§Ž āĻŦāĻž āφāϰāĻ“ āĻĻā§āϰ⧁āϤ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āĻ•āĻžāĻ›āĻžāĻ•āĻžāĻ›āĻŋ āϝ⧇āϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰ⧇?

[00:24:04] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: āĻ“āϝāĻŧ⧇āϞ, āĻāϟāĻž āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŽāĻšāĻžāύ āĻĒā§āϰāĻļā§āύ.

I know it’s so difficult for so many of us. You know, living in London, I often didn’t even have a garden, maybe not even a patio or a deck. And I know there’s many, many people around the world that are disconnected from the land, disconnected from the soil, and it can be really, really tough. And so, I mean, I’m currently in Vancouver. I think at the moment you can see all these leaves behind me. In a city like Vancouver, it’s much easier to connect to nature because you go outside and a few minutes away, there’s probably a stream corridor to walk along. And there’s the opportunity to just kind of absorb the beauty of the forests around you or looking out at the sea and feeling the liberation of that. But in a city, I would suggest just finding those moments. I found that because I walked most places when I’m in London, that gives me the opportunity to connect with the land more. So I would choose routes, for example, that go through the squares, that go through the greener streets, that possibly go along the canal or by the river. I’m making these choices about how we travel, actually, is a wonderful way to connect with nature. Another way, I would say is even if you don’t have a garden, just putting a few plants on your windowsill and watching them grow and sort of tending to them, that in itself really helps you kind of connect back to nature. Often I’ll have a plant sitting on my desk, and throughout the day, I love having an orchid on my desk, for example. So I’ll just kind of gaze into the flower, into the blossom itself when it’s in blossom, and find that those moments that I have just to connect back just even to that one flower, really helped to ground me and to kind of bring me back to what is important and.

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āϤāĻžāχ āĻ…āύ⧇āĻ• āϛ⧋āϟ āϜāĻŋāύāĻŋāϏ āφāϛ⧇ āϝ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋ. āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϝāĻĻāĻŋ āϛ⧋āϟ āĻļ⧁āϰ⧁ āĻ•āϰ⧇āύ, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāϰāĻĒāϰ āφāĻļāĻž āĻ•āϰāĻŋ, āϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇, āϏ⧇āχ āϏāĻ‚āϝ⧋āĻ—āϟāĻŋ āϤ⧈āϰāĻŋ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰ⧇āύāĨ¤

[00:26:56] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āĻšā§āϝāĻžāρ, āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āĻ­āĻžāϞ āωāĻĒāĻĻ⧇āĻļ āφāϛ⧇, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻĒ⧁āϰ⧋ āϜāĻŋāύāĻŋāϏāϟāĻŋ āĻšāϞ āĻāϟāĻŋāϕ⧇ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āϛ⧋āϟ, āϛ⧋āϟ āĻļ⧁āϰ⧁āϤ⧇ āĻŦāĻŋāĻ­āĻ•ā§āϤ āĻ•āϰāĻž āϝāĻž āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϝ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ⧇āχ āĻŦāĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāϛ⧇āύ āϤāĻž āύāĻŋāĻ°ā§āĻŦāĻŋāĻļ⧇āώ⧇ āĻ…āĻ°ā§āϜāύāϝ⧋āĻ—ā§āϝāĨ¤ āϏ⧁āϤāϰāĻžāĻ‚ āϝ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āϝ⧇ āĻ¸ā§āĻĒāĻˇā§āϟāϤāχ āϖ⧁āĻŦ, āϖ⧁āĻŦ āϏāĻšāĻžāϝāĻŧāĻ•. āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ⧇āϰ āĻ­āĻŋāĻœā§āϝ⧁āϝāĻŧāĻžāϞ āϏāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āĻŸā§‡āĻŽ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻŋāϤ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āĻŦāχāϤ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āωāĻĒāĻŽāĻž āĻŦā§āϝāĻŦāĻšāĻžāϰ āĻ•āϰ⧇āύ, āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāĻŋ āφāĻ•āĻ°ā§āώāĻŖā§€āϝāĻŧ āĻŦāϞ⧇ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāĨ¤ āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āĻāχ āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āϤāĻžāϰāĻŋāϤ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰ⧇āύ?

[00:27:17] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: āĻšā§āϝāĻžāρ, āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇āĨ¤ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāĻ–āύ āϭ⧁āϞ⧇ āϗ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āϝ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āϏ⧇āχ āϏāĻžāĻĻ⧃āĻļā§āϝāϟāĻŋ āĻŦā§āϝāĻŦāĻšāĻžāϰ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ, āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āĻŦ⧁āĻ•āĻļ⧇āĻ˛ā§āĻĢ⧇ āĻ…āύ⧇āĻ• āĻŦāχ āφāϛ⧇, āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϏāĻŦāϏāĻŽāϝāĻŧ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϝ⧇ āĻĒāĻĄāĻŧāĻŋ āύāĻžāĨ¤ āϤāĻžāχ āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāĻŦāĻžāϰ, āφāĻŽāĻŋ, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āĻ•āĻļ⧇āϞāĻĢ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āĻŸā§‡āύ⧇ āφāύāĻŦ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻ­āĻžāĻŦāĻŦ, āĻ“āĻš, āĻŦāĻžāĻš, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āĻāχ āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻšā§‡āĻˇā§āϟāĻžāϰ āĻ•ā§āώ⧇āĻ¤ā§āϰ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁āχ āύāϝāĻŧ, āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āϤāĻŦ⧁āĻ“ āĻŽāĻžāĻā§‡ āĻŽāĻžāĻā§‡ āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āĻļ⧁āϧ⧁ āĻāχ āĻŽā§‚āϞ āϰāĻ¤ā§āύ āĻ•ā§āϝāĻžāĻĒāϚāĻžāϰ, āϤāĻžāχ āύāĻž? āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻžāϰ āĻļ⧇āϞāĻĢ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦāχ āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĨ¤ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻ›āĻŋāϞ āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĢ⧇āύ āĻšāĻ•āĻŋāĻ‚ āĻāϰ āĻĻ⧁āĻ°ā§āĻĻāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϤ āĻĄāĻŋāϜāĻžāχāύ, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϤ⧇ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϚāĻžāĻ•ā§āώ⧁āώ āωāĻĒāϞāĻŦā§āϧāĻŋ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāϞāϛ⧇āύ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āϤāĻžāϰāĻž āφāϏāϞ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϝāĻŦ⧇āĻ•ā§āώāĻ• āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āϝāϤāϟāĻž, āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϝāĻž āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϝāĻŦ⧇āĻ•ā§āώāĻŖ āĻ•āϰāĻ›āĻŋ āϏ⧇ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇āĨ¤ āĻĒ⧃āĻĨāĻŋāĻŦā§€āϤ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϚāĻžāϰāĻĒāĻžāĻļ⧇āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻžāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāĻ• āϘāϟāύāĻž, āĻāĻŽāύāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĻ⧇āĻ–āĻžāϰ āĻ•āĻžāϜāĻ“āĨ¤ āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāχ āϚāĻžāĻ•ā§āώ⧁āώ āϘāϟāύāĻž āϏāĻŦ āφāϛ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ bombarding. āĻļ⧁āϧ⧁ āĻ­āĻŋāĻœā§āϝ⧁āϝāĻŧāĻžāϞ āύāϝāĻŧ, āϏāĻŦ āϧāϰāύ⧇āϰ āϏāĻ‚āĻŦ⧇āĻĻāύāĻļā§€āϞ āϘāϟāύāĻž āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋ āĻŽā§āĻšā§‚āĻ°ā§āϤ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ“āĻĒāϰ āĻŦā§‹āĻŽāĻžāĻŦāĻžāϜāĻŋ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāĻ•āϰāĻ•āĻŽ āϤāĻžāϰāĻĒāϰ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻšā§‹āϖ⧇āϰ āĻŽāĻžāĻ§ā§āϝāĻŽā§‡ āϝ⧇ āĻĢāĻŋāĻ˛ā§āϟāĻžāϰ āφāϛ⧇. āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāϏāϞ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϜāĻžāϝāĻŧāĻ—āĻž āφāϛ⧇, āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϝ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ⧇ āĻ…āĻĒāϟāĻŋāĻ• āύāĻžāĻ°ā§āĻ­ āϰ⧇āϟāĻŋāύāĻžāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āϝ⧋āĻ— āĻĻ⧇āϝāĻŧāĨ¤ āϤāĻžāχ āϝāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϚāĻžāϰāĻĒāĻžāĻļ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ—āϤāϕ⧇ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϝāĻŦ⧇āĻ•ā§āώāĻŖ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ, āϤāĻ–āύ āφāϏāϞ⧇ āϏ⧇āχ āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āĻĻ⧁āϤ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦāĻĄāĻŧ āĻ—āĻ°ā§āϤ āĻĨāĻžāϕ⧇ āϝ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ⧇ āĻ…āĻĒāϟāĻŋāĻ• āύāĻžāĻ°ā§āĻ­ āϰ⧇āϟāĻŋāύāĻžāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻŽāĻŋāϞāĻŋāϤ āĻšāϝāĻŧāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŽāύāϕ⧇ āϤāĻ–āύ āϏ⧇āχ āϏāĻŽāĻ¸ā§āϤ āĻļā§‚āĻ¨ā§āϝāĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāύ āĻĒā§‚āϰāĻŖ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻ•āĻžāϜ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇āĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āύāĻŋāĻ°ā§āĻĻāĻŋāĻˇā§āϟ āϧāϰāϪ⧇āϰ āϏ⧁āĻŦāĻŋāϧāĻžāϜāύāĻ• āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϏāϰāϞ āĻ—āĻ āύ⧇āϰ āĻŽāĻžāĻ§ā§āϝāĻŽā§‡ āϤāĻž āĻ•āϰ⧇ āϝāĻžāϤ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻĄā§‡āϟāĻžāϰ āϰāĻŋāĻŽāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϰ āĻŽāĻ§ā§āϝ āĻĻāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āϝāĻžāĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϚāĻžāϰāĻĒāĻžāĻļ⧇āϰ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻŦāϕ⧇ āĻŦ⧁āĻāϤ⧇ āϏāĻ•ā§āώāĻŽ āĻšāĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āĻĻā§€āĻ°ā§āϘ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§āϰāĻŋāϝāĻŧāĻžāϕ⧇ āĻŦāĻžāχāĻĒāĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰ⧇āĨ¤ āϏ⧁āϤāϰāĻžāĻ‚, āϝāĻžāχāĻšā§‹āĻ•, āĻāϟāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϘāϟāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇āĨ¤ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϕ⧇āĻŦāϞ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āωāĻĻāĻžāĻšāϰāĻŖ āϝ⧇ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŽāύ āϤāĻ–āύ āĻļā§‚āĻ¨ā§āϝāĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāύ āĻĒā§‚āϰāĻŖ āĻ•āϰ⧇ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻŽāύ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āϏāϰāϞ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻšā§‡āĻˇā§āϟāĻž āĻ•āϰ⧇ āϝāĻž āφāϏāϞ⧇ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āϜāϟāĻŋāϞāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ āϝ⧇ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ āĻŦāύāĻžāĻŽ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āĻāχ āĻĻā§āĻŦ⧈āϤāĻŦāĻžāĻĻā§€ āĻ—āĻ āύāϟāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻĒāĻ•ā§āώ⧇ āωāĻĒāϞāĻŦā§āϧāĻŋ āĻ•āϰāĻž āĻāϤ āϏāĻšāϜ, āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻŽāύ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āϤ⧈āϰāĻŋ āĻ•āϰ⧇ āϝāĻž āϖ⧁āĻŦ, āϖ⧁āĻŦ āϜāϟāĻŋāϞāĨ¤ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋ āϖ⧁āĻŦāχ āϜāϟāĻŋāϞāĨ¤ āĻāϟāĻž āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒā§‚āĻ°ā§āĻŖāϰ⧂āĻĒ⧇. āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇, āĻĒ⧁āϰ⧋āĻĒ⧁āϰāĻŋ āύāĻž, āϤāĻŦ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ…āϜāĻžāύāĻžāĨ¤

āĻāϟāĻž āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ…āϜāĻžāύāĻžāĨ¤ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻ•āĻ–āύāχ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āϏāĻŦāĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āĻŦ⧁āĻāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋ āύāĻžāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāχ āĻ—āĻ āύāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϕ⧇ āϜāĻžāϝāĻŧāĻ—āĻžāϝāĻŧ āϰāĻžāĻ–āĻŋ āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻāχ āϤāĻĨā§āϝāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āĻāϤ⧇ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻĢāĻŋāĻ˛ā§āϟāĻžāϰ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āϏāĻšāĻžāϝāĻŧāϤāĻž āĻ•āϰ⧇āĨ¤ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āϝ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻāχ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻŋāϤāĻŋāϤ⧇ āĻļ⧇āώ āĻšāĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻžāϰ āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϰ āĻŽāĻ§ā§āϝ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāχ āĻāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŦ⧁āĻāϤ⧇ āφāϰāĻ“ āϜāϟāĻŋāϞāϤāĻž āϝ⧋āĻ— āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇ āϝ⧇, āĻšā§āϝāĻžāρ, āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻŦā§āϝāĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋ, āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒā§‚āĻ°ā§āĻŖ āĻ…āĻ‚āĻļāĻ“āĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϤāĻ–āύ āĻĒ⧃āĻĨāĻŋāĻŦā§€āϤ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāύ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āφāϰāĻ“ āϜāϟāĻŋāϞ āĻŦā§‹āĻāĻžāϰ āĻĒā§āϰāϝāĻŧā§‹āϜāύāĨ¤

[00:30:07] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āĻĢā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϟāĻžāĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻ•āĨ¤ āĻāĻ–āύ, āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āĻŦāχāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻžāĻĨāĻŽāĻŋāĻ• āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϝāĻžāϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻĢāĻŋāϰ⧇ āĻ—āĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻŽāĻŦ⧇āĻĻāύāĻžāϰ āĻŦ⧃āĻ¤ā§āϤ āĻĒā§āϰāϏāĻžāϰāĻŋāϤ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāϞāϛ⧇āύāĨ¤ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϝāĻ–āύ āĻāϟāĻž āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āϤāĻ–āύ āĻ•āĻŋ āĻšāϝāĻŧ?

[00:30:19] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇, āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϞāĻžāχāύ āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāĻŋ āφāχāύāĻ¸ā§āϟāĻžāχāύ⧇āϰ āωāĻĻā§āϧ⧃āϤāĻŋ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āĻĒ⧇āϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ›āĻŋ āϝāĻž āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āφāϗ⧇ āωāĻ˛ā§āϞ⧇āĻ– āĻ•āϰ⧇āϛ⧇āύ, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāϕ⧇āĻŦāĻžāϰ⧇ āĻĒāĻ›āĻ¨ā§āĻĻ āĻ•āϰāĻŋāĨ¤ āϝāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āφāχāύāĻ¸ā§āϟāĻžāχāύ⧇āϰ āϏ⧇āχ āωāĻĻā§āϧ⧃āϤāĻŋāϟāĻŋ āĻĒāĻĄāĻŧāĻŋ, āϤāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϭ⧇āĻŦ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĻžāĻŽ, āĻŦāĻžāĻš, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻāĻ–āĻžāύ⧇ āϝāĻž āĻŦāϞāϛ⧇āύ, āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻŦāϞāϛ⧇āύ āϤāĻž āĻŦāϞāϛ⧇āύāĨ¤

āĻ•āĻŋāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ⧇āϰ āĻšā§‡āϤāύāĻžāϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ…āĻĒāϟāĻŋāĻ•ā§āϝāĻžāϞ āĻŦāĻŋāĻ­ā§āϰāĻŽ āφāϛ⧇, āϝ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āφāϞāĻžāĻĻāĻž, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ•āĻžāϜāϟāĻŋ āĻ…āĻŦāĻļā§āϝāχ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϰ āϏ⧌āĻ¨ā§āĻĻāĻ°ā§āϝāϕ⧇ āφāϞāĻŋāĻ™ā§āĻ—āύ āĻ•āϰāĻž āωāϚāĻŋāϤāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻāϟāĻž āĻŦāϞ⧇āύ. āĻāϰ āĻšā§‡āϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ“ āĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻŋ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āĻŦāϞ⧇āύ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻĻ⧇āĻ–āϤ⧇ āĻĒ⧇āϞāĻžāĻŽ āϝ⧇ āϏ⧇āχ āωāĻĻā§āϧ⧃āϤāĻŋāϟāĻŋ āφāϏāϞ⧇āχ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāĻŽāĻžāύ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻŋāϤāĻŋ āϕ⧀, āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāĻŽāĻžāύ āĻšā§āϝāĻžāϞ⧇āĻžā§āϜāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āϕ⧀ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāϰāĻĒāϰ⧇ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϕ⧇ āφāϞāĻŋāĻ™ā§āĻ—āύ āĻ•āϰ⧇ āϏ⧇āϗ⧁āϞāĻŋ āĻ•āĻžāϟāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āωāĻ āϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋ āϏ⧇āϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϰ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻĒā§āϰ⧇āĻ•ā§āώāĻŋāϤ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϝāĻž āĻ­āĻžāĻŦāĻ›āĻŋāϞāĻžāĻŽ āϤāĻžāϰ āϏāĻŽāĻ¸ā§āϤ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁āϕ⧇ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϤāĻ°ā§āϭ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤ āĻ•āϰ⧇āϛ⧇āĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāχ āφāϰāĻ“ āĻ…āύ⧇āĻ• āϞ⧋āĻ• āφāϛ⧇ āϝāĻžāϰāĻž āĻāĻ•āχ āϧāĻžāϰāĻŖāĻžāϰ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāϞ⧇, āφāϞāĻĄā§‹ āϞāĻŋāĻ“āĻĒā§‹āĻ˛ā§āĻĄ āϤāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻāĻ•āϜāύāĨ¤ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϝ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ⧇āχ āĻĨāĻžāϕ⧁āĻ•āĨ¤

āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āφāϛ⧇, āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āϏāĻŦāĻšā§‡āϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāϚāĻŋāϤ āϏāĻ‚āϰāĻ•ā§āώāĻŖāĻŦāĻžāĻĻā§€āĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŽāĻ§ā§āϝ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϜāύ, āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āφāĻŽā§‡āϰāĻŋāĻ•āĻž āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āĻāϏ⧇āϛ⧇āύ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ 19 āĻļāϤāϕ⧇āϰ āĻŽāĻ§ā§āϝ⧇ āĻŦāϏāĻŦāĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāϛ⧇āύāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āχāϕ⧋āϕ⧇āĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻŋāĻ•āϤāĻžāϰ āĻāχ āϧāĻžāϰāĻŖāĻžāϟāĻŋ āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻāϏ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞ⧇āύāĨ¤ āϏ⧁āϤāϰāĻžāĻ‚ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϕ⧇āĻŦāϞāĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§āϰ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ⧇āϰ āωāĻĒāϰ āĻĢā§‹āĻ•āĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāĻž āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āĻĻā§‚āϰ⧇ āϏāϰ⧇ āϝāĻžāĻšā§āϛ⧇, āϝāĻž āĻšāĻŦ⧇ āύ⧃-āϕ⧇āĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻŋāĻ•āϤāĻž, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϰ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤ⧇ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āφāϰāĻ“ āĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻŋ āϏāĻžāĻŽāĻ—ā§āϰāĻŋāĻ• āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϏāĻŽāĻ¨ā§āĻŦāĻŋāϤ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāĻ­āĻ™ā§āĻ—āĻŋāϰ āĻĻāĻŋāϕ⧇ āϤāĻžāĻ•āĻžāύ⧋, āϝāĻž āχāϕ⧋āϕ⧇āĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻŋāĻ•āϤāĻžāĨ¤ āϤāĻžāχ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻļ⧁āϧ⧁āĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§āϰ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ⧇āϰ āϗ⧁āϰ⧁āĻ¤ā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āωāĻĒāϰ āĻœā§‹āϰ āĻĻ⧇āĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϏāĻŽāĻ¸ā§āϤ āĻœā§€āĻŦāĻŋāϤ āĻĒā§āϰāĻžāĻŖā§€ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϏāĻŽāĻ¸ā§āϤ āϜāĻŽāĻŋāϰ āϗ⧁āϰ⧁āĻ¤ā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āωāĻĒāϰ āĻœā§‹āϰ āĻĻ⧇āĻ“āϝāĻŧāĻžāĨ¤ āϤāĻžāχ āĻŽā§ƒāĻ¤ā§āϤāĻŋāĻ•āĻž, āĻĒāĻžāύāĻŋ, āĻŦāĻžāϤāĻžāϏ, āĻ—āĻžāĻ›āĻĒāĻžāϞāĻž, āĻĒāĻļ⧁āĻĒāĻžāĻ–āĻŋ āĻāϏāĻŦāχ āĻœā§€āĻŦāύ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āϗ⧁āϰ⧁āĻ¤ā§āĻŦāĻĒā§‚āĻ°ā§āĻŖāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāχ āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āϝāĻ–āύ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āϏāĻŽāĻ¸ā§āϤ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϕ⧇ āφāϞāĻŋāĻ™ā§āĻ—āύ āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻ­āĻžāĻŦāĻŋ, āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻŋāϰāĻ­āĻžāĻ—āχ āφāĻŦāĻžāϰ āϏ⧇āχ āĻŽāĻžāύāϏāĻŋāĻ•āϤāĻžāϰ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇, āϏ⧇āχ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧇āϰ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰāϕ⧇ āĻœā§€āĻŦāϜāĻ—āϤ⧇āϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻ…āĻ‚āĻļ āĻšāĻŋāϏāĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻĻ⧇āϖ⧇, āĻœā§€āĻŦāύ⧇āϰ āĻāχ āĻ…āύ⧇āĻ• āĻŦāĻĄāĻŧ, āφāĻ¨ā§āϤāσāϏāĻ‚āϝ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤ āĻ“āϝāĻŧ⧇āĻŦ⧇āϰāĨ¤

āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāĻ•āĻŦāĻžāϰ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϤāĻž āĻ•āϰ⧇ āĻĢ⧇āϞāĻŋ, āϤāĻžāϰāĻĒāϰ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāϟāĻŋāϕ⧇ āφāϰāĻ“ āϏāĻšāĻœā§‡ āφāϞāĻŋāĻ™ā§āĻ—āύ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāϰāĻĒāϰ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϕ⧇āĻŦāϞ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻŽāύ⧇ āύāϝāĻŧ, āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ•āĻ°ā§āĻŽā§‡āϰ āĻŽāĻžāĻ§ā§āϝāĻŽā§‡āĻ“ āφāϞāĻŋāĻ™ā§āĻ—āύ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϏāĻŽā§āĻ­āĻŦāϤ āĻĒā§āϰāĻĨāĻŽā§‡ āĻŽāύ⧇āϰ āĻŽāĻ§ā§āϝ⧇ āĻļ⧁āϰ⧁ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāϰāĻĒāϰ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ•āĻ°ā§āĻŽā§‡āϰ āĻŽāĻžāĻ§ā§āϝāĻŽā§‡ āĻļāĻžāϰ⧀āϰāĻŋāĻ•āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•āĻžāĻļāĻŋāϤ āĻšāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇āĨ¤

[00:32:53] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āĻĢā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϟāĻžāĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻ•āĨ¤ āĻāĻ–āύ, āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻļ⧇āώ⧇, āĻāχ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāϚāĻžāϝāĻŧāĻ• āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦ⧇āϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ, āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϰ āĻŦāχāϟāĻŋāϤ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ•āϝāĻŧ⧇āĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦ āφāϏāϛ⧇, āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāϟāĻŋāϰ āϝ⧋āĻ—ā§āϝ, āϜāĻŽāĻŋāϰ āύ⧀āϤāĻŋ āϕ⧀?

[00:33:04] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: āφāĻš āĻ āĻŋāĻ•āĨ¤ āĻ­āĻžāϞ, āϚāĻŽā§ŽāĻ•āĻžāϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻļā§āύ, āĻ•āĻžāϰāĻŖ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻŽāύ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āϝāĻž āĻ…ā§āϝāĻžāϞāĻĄā§‹ āϞāĻŋāĻ“āĻĒā§‹āĻ˛ā§āĻĄ āϏāĻžāĻŽāύ⧇ āϰ⧇āϖ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞāĨ¤ āϤāĻžāχ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻāχ āϏāĻŽāĻ¸ā§āϤ āĻŦāĻ›āϰ āĻāĻ•āϜāύ āϏāĻ‚āϰāĻ•ā§āώāĻŖāĻŦāĻžāĻĻā§€ āĻšāĻŋāϏāĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻ•āĻžāϜ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĻ›āĻŋāϞ⧇āύ, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āϤāĻžāϰ āϏāĻŽāĻ¸ā§āϤ āĻ•āĻžāĻœā§‡āϰ āĻŽāĻžāĻ§ā§āϝāĻŽā§‡ āϖ⧁āρāĻœā§‡ āĻĒ⧇āϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇āύ āϝ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āφāϏāϞ⧇ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ⧇āϰ āĻŦā§‹āĻāĻžāĻĒāĻĄāĻŧāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻŽāĻžāύāϏāĻŋāĻ•āϤāĻž āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āĻ•āϰāϛ⧇ āϝāĻž āϏāĻŦāĻšā§‡āϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻŽā§ŒāϞāĻŋāĻ• āĻĒā§āϰāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤāύ āĻ•āϰāĻŦ⧇āĨ¤

āϤāĻžāχ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻāχ āĻ­ā§‚āĻŽāĻŋ āύ⧀āϤāĻŋ āϞāĻŋāϖ⧇āϛ⧇āύ āϝ⧇ āϞāĻžāχāύ āĻŦāϰāĻžāĻŦāϰ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āĻŦāĻŋāĻŦ⧃āϤ āϝ⧇, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āύ⧈āϤāĻŋāĻ•āϤāĻž āφāϛ⧇ āĻ•āĻŋāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻŦā§āϝāĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋ āĻāϕ⧇ āĻ…āĻĒāϰ⧇āϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āϝ⧋āĻ—āĻžāϝ⧋āĻ— āĻ•āϰ⧇āĨ¤ āĻŦā§āϝāĻ•ā§āϤāĻŋāϰāĻž āϤāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āφāĻļ⧇āĻĒāĻžāĻļ⧇āϰ āϞ⧋āĻ•āĻĻ⧇āϰ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒā§āϰāĻĻāĻžāϝāĻŧ⧇āϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ•āϝ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤ āϤāĻž āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āύ⧈āϤāĻŋāĻ•āϤāĻž āϰāϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇āĨ¤ āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ•āĻžāϛ⧇ āϝāĻž āύ⧇āχ āϤāĻž āĻšāϞ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϜāĻŽāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨ⧇ āĻŽāĻŋāĻĨāĻ¸ā§āĻ•ā§āϰāĻŋāϝāĻŧāĻž āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āϏ⧇ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āύ⧀āϤāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāχ āĻ…āύ⧁āĻĒāĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻŋāϤ. āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻ•āĻžāϛ⧇ āĻĻāĻļāϟāĻŋ āφāĻĻ⧇āĻļ⧇āϰ āĻŽāϤ⧋ āϜāĻŋāύāĻŋāϏ āϰāϝāĻŧ⧇āϛ⧇, āϏ⧋āύāĻžāϞ⧀ āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧāĻŽ, āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰāϕ⧇ āĻ—āĻžāχāĻĄ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āϏāĻžāĻšāĻžāĻ¯ā§āϝ āĻ•āϰ⧇ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻŦ⧇ āφāϚāϰāĻŖ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āϤāĻžāϰ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻĒā§āϰ⧇āĻ•ā§āώāĻŋāϤ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āύ⧈āϤāĻŋāĻ• āĻ•āĻŽā§āĻĒāĻžāϏ āĻĻ⧇āϝāĻŧ, āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻāĻŽāύ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁āχ āύ⧇āχ āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āϜāĻŽāĻŋāϰ āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āφāϚāϰāĻŖ āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧāĻ¨ā§āĻ¤ā§āϰāĻŖ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āϏāĻžāĻšāĻžāĻ¯ā§āϝ āĻ•āϰ⧇āĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāχ āϤāĻžāρāϰ āĻ­ā§‚āĻŽāĻŋ āύ⧀āϤāĻŋ āϝāĻž āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āφāϏāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻ āĻ•āĻžāωāĻ¨ā§āϟāĻŋ āĻ…ā§āϝāĻžāϞāĻŽā§āϝāĻžāύāĻžāĻ• āύāĻžāĻŽā§‡ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āĻŦāχāϤ⧇ āϞāĻŋāϖ⧇āϛ⧇āύ āϝāĻž āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϤāĻ°ā§āϭ⧁āĻ•ā§āϤ āĻ•āϰ⧇āϛ⧇āύ, āĻāϟāĻŋ āύāĻŋāĻ°ā§āϧāĻžāϰāĻŖ āĻ•āϰ⧇ āϝ⧇ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āĻāχ āĻ­ā§‚āĻŽāĻŋ āύ⧀āϤāĻŋāϕ⧇ āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāĻ•āĻžāϰ āĻ…āĻ°ā§āĻĨ⧇ āĻ—ā§āϰāĻšāĻŖ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āύāϤ⧁āύ āĻĒāĻĨ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāϚāĻžāϞāύāĻž āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻŦ⧁āĻāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇ āϝ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϏāĻŦāĻžāχ āĻāχ āĻ—ā§āϰāĻšā§‡āϰ āĻŦāĻžāϏāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āĻĻāĻžāĨ¤ āĻāϟāĻž āĻļ⧁āϧ⧁ āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ⧇āϰ āĻŦāĻžāϏāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āĻĻāĻž āύāϝāĻŧāĨ¤ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϏāĻŦāĻžāχ āĻŦāĻžāϏāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āĻĻāĻž, āĻāχ āĻ—ā§āϰāĻšā§‡āϰ āϏāĻŽāĻ¸ā§āϤ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϰ āĻŦāĻžāϏāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āĻĻāĻž, āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻŦāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻŋāϕ⧇ āϰāĻ•ā§āώāĻž āĻ•āϰāĻžāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āφāĻŽāĻžāĻĻ⧇āϰ āύāĻŋāĻœā§‡āĻĻ⧇āϰ āφāϚāϰāĻŖāϕ⧇ āϰāĻ•ā§āώāĻž āĻ“ āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧāĻ¨ā§āĻ¤ā§āϰāĻŖ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻšāĻŦ⧇āĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϤāĻžāχ āφāĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāύ⧇ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āϝ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āφāϚāϰāĻŖ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āϝ⧋āĻ—āĻžāϝ⧋āĻ— āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāχ āĻĒ⧃āĻĨāĻŋāĻŦā§€āϤ⧇ āĻŦāĻžāϏ āĻ•āϰāĻŋ āϤāĻž āύāĻŋāϝāĻŧāĻ¨ā§āĻ¤ā§āϰāĻŖ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻļ⧇āĻ–āĻžāϰ āĻŦāĻŋāώāϝāĻŧ⧇ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝāĻŋāχ āĻŽā§ŒāϞāĻŋāĻ• āωāĻĒāĻžāĻĻāĻžāύāĨ¤ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āϝāϤāĻ•ā§āώāĻŖ āύāĻž āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āϏāĻ•ā§āώāĻŽ āĻšāĻŦ, āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āϝāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻœā§€āĻŦāύ āĻĢāĻ°ā§āĻŽā§‡āϰ āωāĻĒāϰ āĻ§ā§āĻŦāĻ‚āϏāĻžāĻ¤ā§āĻŽāĻ• āĻŦāĻŋāĻĒāĻ°ā§āϝāϝāĻŧ āϘāϟāĻžāϤ⧇ āĻĨāĻžāĻ•āĻŦāĨ¤

[00:35:17] āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ āĻĄāĻŋ āĻŦ⧁āϰāĻ•āĻž: āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻ•āϟāĻŋ āϏāĻžāĻŽāĻžāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻšāϤāĻžāĻļāĻžāϜāύāĻ• āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āϤ⧁ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āϏāĻ¤ā§āϝ āĻŦāĻŋāĻ¨ā§āĻĻ⧁ āϝ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻāχ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦāϟāĻŋ āĻļ⧇āώ āĻ•āϰāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻ¸ā§āĻĒāĻˇā§āϟāϤāχ āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ⧇āϰ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦāϗ⧁āϞāĻŋāϰ āϜāĻ¨ā§āϝ āĻ…āĻĒ⧇āĻ•ā§āώāĻž āĻ•āϰ⧁āύ āϝ⧇āĻ–āĻžāύ⧇ āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϕ⧀āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āύāĻŋāĻœā§‡āĻĻ⧇āϰāϕ⧇ āϜāĻ—āĻžāĻ–āĻŋāϚ⧁āĻĄāĻŧāĻŋ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āĻŦ⧇āϰ āĻ•āϰ⧇ āφāύāϤ⧇ āĻĒāĻžāϰāĻŋ āϏ⧇ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāĻ°ā§āϕ⧇ āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āφāϰāĻ“ āĻ…āύ⧇āĻ• āĻŦ⧇āĻļāĻŋ āύāĻŋāϰāĻ™ā§āϕ⧁āĻļāĻ­āĻžāĻŦ⧇ āϤ⧁āϞ⧇ āϧāϰāĻŦ⧇āύāĨ¤

āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϟāĻŋāĻ“ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āφāĻ•āĻ°ā§āώāĻŖā§€āϝāĻŧ, āφāĻĒāύāĻŋ āϜāĻžāύ⧇āύ, āϞ⧋āϕ⧇āϰāĻž āϝāĻ–āύ āϤāĻžāĻ•āĻžāϝāĻŧ, āϝ⧇āĻŽāύāϟāĻŋ āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻ­āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇā§āϝāϤ⧇āϰ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦ⧇ āφāϞ⧋āϚāύāĻž āĻ•āϰāĻŦ, āĻŽāĻžāύ⧁āώ āϝāĻ–āύ āĻĒā§āϰāĻ•ā§ƒāϤāĻĒāĻ•ā§āώ⧇ āĻŽāĻžāύāĻŦ āϜāĻžāϤāĻŋāϰ āχāϤāĻŋāĻšāĻžāϏ⧇āϰ āĻĻāĻŋāϕ⧇ āϤāĻžāĻ•āĻžāĻŦ⧇, āϤāĻ–āύ āĻāϟāĻŋ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒā§‚āĻ°ā§āĻŖ āĻĻ⧃āĻˇā§āϟāĻŋāϕ⧋āĻŖ āĻĨ⧇āϕ⧇ āϖ⧁āĻŦ āϛ⧋āϟ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāϟāĻŋ āĻāĻŽāύ āĻ•āĻŋāϛ⧁ āϝāĻž āφāĻŽāϰāĻž āĻšāĻŦāĨ¤ āĻĒāϰāĻŦāĻ°ā§āϤ⧀ āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻŦ⧇ āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻšāĻŦ⧇āĨ¤ āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž, āϤ⧋āĻŽāĻžāϕ⧇ āĻĒ⧇āϝāĻŧ⧇ āϖ⧁āĻŦāχ āφāύāĻ¨ā§āĻĻāĻŋāϤāĨ¤

[00:35:51] āφāϞ⧇āĻ•āϜāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻĻā§āϰāĻž āĻ¸ā§āϟāĻŋāĻĄ: āĻ“āĻš, āφāĻĒāύāĻžāϕ⧇ āĻ…āύ⧇āĻ• āϧāĻ¨ā§āϝāĻŦāĻžāĻĻ, āĻœā§āϝāĻžāĻ•āĻŋ. āĻāϟāĻž āĻāĻ•āϟāĻž āφāύāĻ¨ā§āĻĻāĨ¤

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