S3, E20: Chimiro cheMaguta Edu naDr. Nadina Galle, Chikamu chekutanga

Digital yakagadzirwa chinyorwa (chinogona kusanganisira zvimwe zvikanganiso)

Hello to you. And it is the third episode in this series with Nadine Galle. I am Jackie De Burca. For Constructive Voices. Nadina is going to do a really quick introduction, but the proper introduction about Nadina and her career to date can be found on the first episode of this series where you’ll find out lots of interesting things that she’s done up to date. And she’s going to be doing loads more things throughout her life by the looks of everything. Now we’re covering her book and we split it into sort of three different aspects of the information you’re going to find in her book. And this episode is about the tools and techniques for better urban nature management monitoring. Nadina, you’re really welcome again, thank you so much for being here.

[00:01:02] Nadina Galle: Zvakanaka, ndinokutendai zvikuru, Jackie. Zvakanaka kuva pano zvakare. Uye mhoroi mose. Ndiri Nadina Galle. Ndiri Dutch Canadian ecological Injiniya. Ini ndiri 2024 National Geographic Explorer uye nguva pfupi yadarika munyori weChimiro cheKubata Kwedu Simba reNyika Yechisikigo Kupona Kuchinja Kunoshanduka. Uye zvinofadza kudzoka.

[00:01:26] Jackie De Burca: Brilliant, Nadina. Saka, sezvandambotaura munhanganyaya, enda kuchikamu chekutanga unzwe kana usati watodaro. Zvino, chimwe chezvinhu zvakandishamisa zvikuru, Nadina, kwaiva kuziva kuti waimbotambura nezvinonzi upofu hwezvirimwa. Chokutanga pane zvose, ngatiitei. Zvichida tinoda kuti uongorore kuti zvinorevei chaizvo. Asi ungataurawo here nezvekuti wakaziva sei kuti panguva iyoyo waitambura neupofu hwezvirimwa?

[00:01:52] Nadina Galle: Hongu.

I think it’s kind of funny with plant blindness, this term has been around for a while now, but I saw recently on social media there is this trend now to have all kinds of blindness, whether that be something called blush blindness or a fake tan blindness, this idea that you are doing something and you don’t even realize that you’re doing it. And I think like many people living in cities, despite having a very outdoors childhood, I realized that, you know, walking through my local urban park, that, and I’m ashamed to say this, doing what I do had a really difficult time identifying a lot of plant and insect and other fauna species that I shared my cities with. And of course I’m ashamed to admit this because this is part of my work, but it got me thinking that this is something that I think, especially if you’re, if you’re not an ecological engineer and urban ecologist, like myself, you’re probably, you know, facing this more and more. And I was absolutely disturbed when I discovered this study that was done of both UK and US children that found that the average child was able to identify hundreds of logos and brand names, but not even able to identify 10 local plant or tree species.

Uye ndinofunga kuti zvinongotaura kune yakakura kudaro nzanga maitiro. Chaizvoizvo, pane imwe tsvakiridzo inonakidza inoenderera neiyi iyo yakaona kuti mumakore makumi mashanu apfuura pave paine zvishoma uye zvishoma zvinongedzo nezvezvakasikwa mumimhanzi yedu nemabhuku kupfuura zvataive nazvo makore makumi mashanu apfuura, izvo zvandinofunga kuti chimwe chinhu chinonakidza zvakare. . Izvo zvinongotaura kune, iwe unoziva, basa rechisikigo munharaunda yedu yezuva nezuva, mune yedu, munharaunda yedu yezuva nezuva. Munoziva, tinotaura zvakawanda sei pamusoro pechisiko, tinozvinongedzera zvakadini norunako rwacho noukuru hwacho munziyo dzedu nomumabhuku edu uye munziyo dzedu? Zvakawanda sei zvinokurukurwa kuchikoro uye nevaduku vedu? Uye zvakandiita kuti ndione sekunge ichi chaive chimwe chinhu chandanga ndichinetsekana nacho, tichifunga nezvebasa rangu, munoziva, pane vanhu vazhinji vanogona kunge vakatarisana neizvi. Uye yakakosha nekuti ndinofunga inotaura izvi zvakakura maitiro apo isu tisina chaizvo zano rakanaka rebasa uye zvisikwa uye izvo zvinotamba muzuva redu rehupenyu hwezuva nezuva. Uye sezvataona kubva mukutsvagisa, ndizvo chaizvo zvezuva nezuva kusangana nemasikirwo atinoda zvakanyanya nezvehutano hwedu uye nekuchengetedza kwedu kubva kunjodzi dzine chekuita nemamiriro ekunze.

[00:04:34] Jackie De Burca: Hongu. Ndinofunga kuti chinhu chinouya mupfungwa dzangu, Nadina, kana uri kutaura nezvazvo ndechekuunza kusvika padanho rekuti tichati lettuce iyo, unoziva, unogona kushandisa musalad. Sevazhinji vevana vandaizotaurirana navo, ini handina vana vangu, asi iwe unoziva, zviri pachena kuti shamwari zhinji dzinoita uye dzaizoona kuti unowana lettuce kubva kuchitoro. Saka zvakaita sezvisikwa zvinongobviswa kubva mukuenzanisa kuti, unoziva kupi, kunogadzirwa chikafu chedu.

[00:05:00] Nadina Galle: Right, right, exactly. Ndichireva kuti kune vana vakakurira mumaguta vanofunga kuti mukaka unobva kuzvitoro zvikuru. Havana kana kuita mubatanidzwa nemombe. Saka zvinonyatso ratidza kuti tabva kure zvakadii. Uye iwe unogona kuita nharo, ndiani ane hanya? Ndiani ane hanya kuti vana havazivi nezvazvo? Nei izvozvo zvichitokosha? Uye ini ndingapokana kuti inosvika pakunyanya kuvepo, midzi yakadzika yezvinotiita vanhu, kubatana kwedu nenyika uye chikafu chatinofema neMhepo yatinofema uye zviwanikwa zvatinoshandisa, zvese zvinobva panyika nzira imwe kana imwe. Uye kana tangorasikirwa zvachose kubata izvo, zvakanaka, ini chokwadi ndinotya remangwana revanhu mupfungwa iyoyo.

[00:05:44] Jackie De Burca: Hongu, zvachose. Uye zvakare, sezvauri kutaura, Nadine, zvinouya mupfungwa dzangu kana iwe ukafunga nezve art yebako, iwe unoziva, hunyanzvi hwaunoona, prehistoric art mumapako, iyi yaive yemhuka, kazhinji, kwete yese. , asi zvizhinji zvacho ndezvemhuka. Saka, iwe unoziva, kana tikafunga nezvazvo, angangove makore mazana maviri kana zvakadaro ekusimudzira uye tozoenda kumberi kubva ipapo, kuti izvo zvakanganisa nzanga sei. Asi zvisati zvaitika, madzitateguru edu ose aibatanidzwa mune zvakasikwa zuva nezuva. Kazhinji.

[00:06:21] Nadina Galle: Hongu. Uye ndinofunga ndosaka basa remusikirwo weguta rakakosha, nekuti sesu. Isu sevanhu vekare takasangana nemazuva iwayo, zvisikwa zvaive zvakanyanya chikamu chehupenyu hwedu hwezuva nezuva. Uye ndinofunga tasvika padanho rekuti tinonzwa kuti tinogona kuwana, munoziva, zadza kapu yedu yechisikigo pakupera kwevhiki kana pazororo nerwendo kana nerwendo. Uye kutsvagurudza kwakawanda kunotiratidza kuti mabhenefiti chaiwo echisikigo anouya kubva kune iwo madosi ezuva nezuva uye kuti hazvifanirwe kunge zviri izvi, munoziva, nzvimbo dzakakura dzerenje. Don't get me wrong, izvo zvinoshamisa kana iwe uine mukana wekushanya. Asi kuwana yakawanda yeiyi mipimo yezuva nezuva inogona kubva pamuti mumwe wakasimwa uchibva kunze kwemba yako, kwaunoona mhepo ichivhuvhuta mumashizha, kwaunonzwa shiri dzichiimba, uko unoona majuru achikwira pamusoro pehunde. Kufanana newe, une izvi, izvi zvemazuva ese. Izvi ndizvo chaizvo zvinoumba huzhinji hwehupenyu hwedu.

[00:07:17] Jackie De Burca: Yeah, no, I entirely agree with you. And I’m lucky enough, you know, that I can access that. But of course, some people, it’s. It’s not so easy to do. One of the things that strikes me as being harsh but true, I suppose, is urban living equals, you know, unprecedented biodiversity loss, but also strong biodiversity protects environment and human health. Now, that actually leads us on to the fact that there’s been huge declines of obviously, all sorts of populations, but particularly the insect population. Can you talk us through this, Nadine? And you know how it affects us?

[00:07:56] Nadina Galle: Yeah, it’s interesting because we can also see around the world that some of the world’s biggest cities are actually started and have grown in some of the world’s largest biodiversity hotspots. And I think that just says something is like, well, why are we drawn to biodiversity? Why do we want to settle in places that have High biodiversity. And I think we know that the more biodiversity, the more buffer we have from different natural disasters, the more opportunities, the more itches that we have to potentially exploit for different shelter resources. Medicines is a huge one, building materials, different food types. You know, we want to live in places that are abundant with life and abundant with a variety of life. So I think it’s interesting that in the course of human history, we’ve already been drawn to these biodiversity hotspots to create our cities and grow our cities. But of course, the way that we go about urbanization is also incredibly dangerous to biodiversity. It leads to habitat fragmentation, which is arguably the biggest threat to biodiversity itself when you’re removing habitat. And of course that fragmentation means that, you know, you’re losing areas of natural migration, you’re losing larger ranges for certain species of animals to be able to hunt or to gather their own resources.

Uye kunyanya imwe yemhando dzinonyanya kushanda ndezvipembenene zvedu, sezvawataura, Jackie. Uye iwe unoziva, vanhu vanowanzo shamisika, zvakaita, zvakanaka, munoziva, nei ndiine hanya nezvipembenene? Ndine hanya nenzou nedindingwe. Uye ini ndinonzwisisa kuti zvipembenene zvingave zvisiri izvo zvinofadza zvezvipenyu zvatinazvo, asi ivo, kutaura zvazviri, vanoumba machira e hammock yehupenyu. Ndivo vari pahunhu chaihwo, munoziva, ndidzo hombe hombe dzepasi rose, izvo zveshuwa, zvakakosha pakupihwa kwechikafu. Ndivo vapambi vakuru. Iwe unoziva, ivo vanove nechokwadi chekuora kweiyo organic matter iyo inodzokera muvhu uye inodzoka semhando nyowani dzehupenyu.

Uye ivo vanopa iyi inoshamisa litmus bvunzo kana iyi biomarker yezvipenyu zvakasiyana zvachose. Saka izvo zvatinoona munzvimbo dzakaderedza zvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana, huwandu hwezvipembenene hwakanga huri hwekutanga kuenda. Saka une hukama uhwu apo kana huwandu hwezvipembenene hukadzikira, zvipenyu zvese zvinodzikira. Saka zvine musoro kuti isu tinonyatsoda kutarisa uye kubata twupukanana hwedu kuti tikwanise kupa proxy kune manejimendi ezvimwe zvipenyu zvakasiyana. Asi nyaya yaivepo kare ndeyekuti takashaya nzira dzekuyera huwandu hwezvipembenene.

Uye ndinoreva, kufunga kuri nyore. Zvipembenene zvakaoma kuyera uye kuverenga.

Uye isu tine, munoziva, takave nemhando dzakasiyana dzesainzi yevagari vemo vakabatsira, asi ivo vasina chimwe, munoziva, ese anonyatso kutendeseka. Saka chaizvo musika waive waibva kune chinangwa chekuyera huwandu hwezvipembenene kuitira kuti tive neiyo proxy yezvipenyu zvakasiyana-siyana zvakazara.

[00:11:09] Jackie De Burca: Saka ngatitaure nezve nyaya iri kuseri kweiyo mamiriro ehunyanzvi hwekuongorora zvipenyu zvipenyu uye kuti izvi zvinoshanda sei.

[00:11:18] Nadina Galle: Ehe, saka ndiyo nyaya yandinovhara mubhuku rinonzi Diopsis kamera. Uye iyo Diopsis kamera ndiyo mhinduro yedambudziko iri. Dambudziko iri ndangoritsanangura ndichiedza kugadzira a.

Ndizvo. Chaizvoizvo, inoratidzika setafura duku. Uye pamusoro petafura iyo yaungaisa mumafuro kana pamunda wekurima, kana pamusoro pedenga remba muguta chero kwaunoda kuyera huwandu hwezvipembenene, ndiyo tafura yesimbi iyi. Pamusoro pazvo, iwe une izvi zvakachengetedzwa kubva kuzvinhu kamera, uye ipapo iwe une iyi yero yekumhara pad. Chikonzero chiri yeyero ndechekuti yero iruvara rwunoda kukwezva tupembenene twakawanda tunobhururuka. Saka iyi kamera, chaizvo kuti inoshanda sei inotora foto mumasekonzi gumi ega ega, uye pese paine tumbuyu pane iyo yero yekumhara pad, inobva yamhanya nemukombuta vision algorithm kuti ione kwete chete rudzi rwechipembenene ichocho, asiwo kuyera. biomass yayo. Uye mupfungwa iyoyo, tinowana nzira chaiyo yekuyera huwandu hwezvipembenene zvinobhururuka, izvo, zvamazvirokwazvo, yatove imwe yezvisingakwanisi. Inongotarisa zvipembenene zvinobhururuka, asi ndiyo imwe yenzira dzakanakisa dzatinadzo izvozvi yekutanga kuyera huwandu hwezvipembenene. Asi chechipiri, zvakare, ndinovimba, ndingati iyo huru yekushandisa kesi yeiyi ndeyekuongorora kana mari nekudyara, uye pane yakawanda nguva pfupi yadarika iri kudururwa mumatanho emhando dzakasiyana-siyana uye kupindira kuri kushanda nekuti, ndinofunga, munoziva. , kusiyana-siyana kwezvinhu zvipenyu kunonzwa kusinganzwisisiki uye kusinganzwisisiki. Iwe unoziva, iwe unotoenda sei pakuona kuti mari yauri kudurura mairi iri kubatsira? Ichi chi. Iyi ndiyo imwe nzira yekuita izvozvo.

[00:13:09] Jackie De Burca: Ehe, izvo zvakakosha. Ndinoreva, zviri pachena, chero mari kana makambani, iwe unoziva, ari kuisa mari mune izvi, ivo vanoda kuona imwe mhando yekudzoka uye kukwanisa, munoziva, kukurukura izvozvo mukati memapuranga avo uye zviri pachena kana vanazvo, munoziva. , vagovani uye vanoisa mari uye zvichingodaro. Saka zvakakosha, chaizvo, handizvo here?

[00:13:30] Nadina Galle: Ehe, uye zvakanyanya. Ndinoreva, zvakawanda izvi. Imari yehurumende, saka yese imari yemutero. Saka, iwe unoziva, vanhu vanoda kuve nechokwadi chekuti munguva ine zvakawanda zvakasiyana zvinokwikwidza zvido, kunyangwe mune zvakatipoteredza uye mamiriro ekunze, kuti tinoda kuve nechokwadi chekuti tiri kushandisa mari yedu nehungwaru.

[00:13:46] Jackie De Burca: Chimwe chinhu chaida kuziva. Tinoona magadzirirwo anoitwa shiri nembeva kune rumwe rutivi, izvo ndakaona zvichinakidza chaizvo. Asi zvakare kune rumwe rutivi, kune zvirwere zvitsva uye maitiro matsva ane ngozi ezvimwe zvisikwa. Ikozvino, semuenzaniso, imwe yenyaya yezvidzidzo yaunotaura nezvayo mubhuku ndeyekuwanikwa kweruvara rwakareruka rweMamwe hozhwa, izvo zvakaitika nekuti vakajairana nenharaunda yavo.

Izvi zvakawanikwa sei uye ndeapi maturusi ave kuwanikwa maererano nenzvimbo iyi?

[00:14:21] Nadina Galle: Ehe, saka izvi, izvi zvinoshamisa, iyi pfungwa yekushanduka kwemadhorobha. Izvi zvave kunyatsozivikanwa nemusayendisiti wechiDutch, nyanzvi yezvipembenene pakutanga, asi inyanzvi yekushanduka-shanduka kwezvipenyu mupfungwa yezwi renyika. Zita rake ndiMenno Schildhausen uye anoshanda mumyuziyamu yezvipenyu zvakasiyana siyana nenzvimbo inonzi Naturalis muNetherlands muLeiden. Uye akatarisa pamienzaniso yakawanda yakasiyana-siyana yechiitiko ichi, chaanodaidza kuti kushanduka kwemaguta. Uye saka izvo zvinogona kutora zvakanyanya kuti chii. Takambofunga kuti dzidziso yaDarwin yemhindumupindu, taisazokwanisa kuona izvozvo muupenyu hwomunhu. Rudyi. Hatigoni kuona mhindumupindu ichiitika. Izvo zvaive, iwe unoziva, chimwe chezvikonzero zvakakosha izvo Darwin aive nedambudziko rakawanda mukukurudzira dzidziso dzake. Nemhaka yokuti vanhu vakanga vachiomerwa nokudavira kuti ikoku kwaigona kuitika nemhaka yokuti vakanga vasingazvioni nameso avo vamene. Uye zvatiri kuona nekushanduka-shanduka kwemaguta, muhupfupi hwehupenyu hwezvipenyu zvakaita sezvimwe zvipembenene uye seshiri uye sezvimwe zvinomera, tinogona kunyatsoona shanduko munguva chaiyo, sekutaura kunoita Mennosculfeizer. Saka muenzaniso weizvi ungave wekuti mumaguta mune mamwe marudzi ezvirimwa akashanduka chaizvo kuti adonhedze mhodzi dzawo pedyo nechirimwa chaamai pane kushanduka kwekare. Ikoko mbeu idzodzo, ungatoda kuti dzive dzakareruka uye nyore nyore kubata mhepo kuitira kuti dzipararire zvakafara. Rudyi. Nekuti ndicho chinangwa chekupedzisira chekushanduka-shanduka, kuparadzira mhuka dzako dzakakura sezvingabvira uye kushandisa niches yakawanda sezvaunokwanisa. Uye rudzi urwu rwechirimwa rwakashanduka chaizvo kudonhedza mhodzi dzayo pedyo nechirimwa chaamai. Nekuti mukati, iwe unoziva, asphalt, kongiri akatakurwa maguta, iwe unokwanisa kumisa kana ukadonha padyo nechirimwa chaamai, nekuti isu tinoziva kuti chirimwa icho chakakwanisa kudzika midzi mune imwe ivhu kupesana hongu, unogona kupararira kure. . Asi kana mbeu idzodzo, munoziva, dzakamhara paasphalt kana mumugwagwa, zviri pachena kuti hadzizokwanisa kubudirira.

Saka ndiyo yakanaka kupenga. Imwezve makunguwo atotanga kurira zvakanyanya kuti anyatsonzwa mumwe nemumwe pamusoro pemaruzha etraffic, izvo zvinopenga chaizvo kwandiri.

[00:16:47] Jackie De Burca: Iwe unayo, zvinoshamisa.

[00:16:49] Nadina Galle: Saka zvinotonhorera. Uye pane, pane, ndinoreva, saka Menuscule akanyora bhuku rino uye rinoshamisa, rimwe rezvandinoda rinonzi Darwin Comes to Town. Iro zita rakanaka. Uye ane chaizvo, ibhuku rakazara nemhando idzi dzemienzaniso. Uye ndaigona kuramba ndichienda nekuti vanongo nakidza. Asi imwe yacho.

[00:17:08] Jackie De Burca: Enda, tiudze zvimwe. Chokwadi mumwe wavo.

[00:17:14] Nadina Galle: Imwe yedzimwe idzi dzandinofunga kuti dzakaipa zvakare dzakafanana nekupenda kwetsindi. Saka imi matsindi makanga muri. Saka kwandakakurira kumaodzanyemba kwakadziva kumadokero kweOntario, une squirrel yekumabvazuva grey uye une imwe yakasviba zvishoma. Saka kwandakakurira, senge munzvimbo ine sango rakawanda, sekunge iwe unogara uchiona grey squirrels, senge ndiyo yaive yakakurumbira. Waizozviona nguva dzose. Zvino pandakanga ndava nemakore 18, ndakatamira kuToronto kuti ndinodzidzira bhachura rangu uye waiona squirrels grey dzimwe nguva.

Nguva zhinji waiona idzi dzakanyanya kusviba, dzinenge dema dzakasiyana dzetsindi idzi. Saka ndakatanga kufunga nezvazvo. Uye vanodzidza nezvezvinhu zvipenyu vakanga vaona kuti tsindi nhema idzi dzaiuya dzichiwedzera kufarirwa munzvimbo dzemumaguta nekuti waiona zviri nani kutarisana negreyscape ari maguta edu. Saka magire egrey ainyanya kuve angangoita maroadkill mumaguta nekuda kweruvara rwawo. Nekuti unovaonawo vachipesana nematsindi matema, vakamira zvakanyanya. Saka kune mamwe madhiri matema aya. Saka ingori mienzaniso yakadaro. Zvingori, zvinoshamisa nekuti unogona chaizvo, sezvandataura, unogona kuona izvi munguva chaiyo. Iwe unogona kuona izvi mukati mechikoro. Uye mumwe wemienzaniso yainyanya kufarirwa naMenno waive uku kupendeka kwehozhwa, kunyanya iyi, iyi modhi yezvisikwa iyo inoshandiswa mukutsvagisa kwakasiyana kwezve ecology. Ecological research yakaidana. Ndinoreva kuti zvakangofanana nehozhwa yako yegadheni. Uye chaizvo madzidzisiro aaida kudzidza izvi, uye aya ndiwo madzidzisirwe akawanda enyaya dzekushanduka kwemadhorobha, kuri kuburikidza nekushandiswa kwematani nematani emasampling. Nekuti iwe unoda kuve nechokwadi kuti iyi haisi imwe chete kubva, handiti? Iwe unoda kuve neshuwa kuti iwe unogona chaizvo kutaurira evolutionary maitiro nehuwandu hukuru, iwe unoziva, mamwe masampuli zviri nani.

Asi unoita sei? Iwe unoziva, haungakwanise kutumira uto kuti utore ese akasiyana masampuli ezvidyarwa zvakasiyana uye kutora mapikicha etsindi nehozhwa. Saka vanoshandisa simba resaenzi yevagari uye vakagadzira app inonzi Snail Snap uye vakakoka vanhu mumaguta ese akasiyana muNetherlands kuti vatore mafoto erudzi urwu rwehozhwa. Uye izvo zvakashanda chaizvo nekuti ivo vanonyatso zivikanwa, vari nyore kugadzirisa, kuziva, uye ivo havafambi nekukasira, saka vari nyore kutora mifananidzo. Uye vakaunganidza chinhu chakadai, ndinofunga yaive 8,300 geolocated uye izvo zvaive zvakakosha. Geolocated mifananidzo yehozhwa idzi. Uye ivo zvakare vakamhanyisa kuburikidza necomputer vision algorithm, uye vakakwanisa kuona kuti hozhwa dzaive munzvimbo dzakakora pakati peguta paavhareji, dzaive nemateko akareruka pane ayo aive kunze kweguta.

Basically, this garden snail is now evolving into these two different varieties. And the one that lives in dense urban cores actually has a lighter shell because it’s able to then deal with extreme heat better, with temperatures better. And I thought this was so interesting because essentially what it’s done is it’s made the color of its house, of its roof, lighter. And this is actually a mechanism that we see also humans do. When we’re not able to implement a green roof on our buildings, one of the most cost effective things we can do is actually paint our roofs white so they’re better able to reflect the light and therefore keep our misha inotonhorera zvakare. Saka zvinongonakidza, imwe, kuona simba remugari sainzi mune izvi, zviviri, kuona kuti hozhwa dziri kushanduka nenzira iyi, uye zvitatu, zvinhu izvo isu vanhu tinogona kudzidza kubva kune hozhwa.

[00:21:01] Jackie De Burca: Zvinoshamisa chaizvo. Zvinhu zvinonakidza chaizvo, Nadina, paunofunga nezvazvo, senge, squirrel nehozhwa zvawabva kutaura nezvazvo, senge, zvinofanirwa kushanduka uye zvinofanirwa kushandura pigment yavo neimwe nzira. Pigmentation, chaizvoizvo.

[00:21:17] Nadina Galle: Hongu, hongu. Kupona. Uye ndicho chinhu chinopenga. Zvakafanana. Uye zvechokwadi, izvozvo. Kushanduka-shanduka. Rudyi. Saka zvazvinoreva ndezvekuti hozhwa dzine makwati ane ruvara rwakati piriviri dzinokurumidza kuparara kupfuura dzine hozhwa dzine ruvara rwakareruka. Saka avo vari kuparara. Izvi zvinoreva kuti mhando dzakareruka dzine mukana wakawanda wekubereka. Uye nekufamba kwenguva. Uye zvechokwadi, iwe unoziva, hozhwa dzine hupenyu hupfupi nekufamba kwenguva, iyo inokurumidza kukurumidza. Muhupenyu hwemunhu, isu tinokwanisa kuona kuti ruzhinji rwehozhwa dzinobva dzave nemateko akareruka.

[00:21:51] Jackie De Burca: Hongu, zvachose. Saka nyaya dzinonakidza dzauri kugovera mubhuku. Kune mamwe maturusi makuru zvakare aunoshandisa. Imwe inonzi birdcast, uye imwe inonzi earthsnap. Ndezvipi uye ndiani akazvisika?

[00:22:07] Nadina Galle: Hongu. Saka Earth Snap yaive. Ini ndichatanga neiyoyo, nekuti yakafanana neSnail snap mupfungwa yekuti inokwanisa kuziva mhando. Kunyangwe Earth Snap isingangoiti izvo zvehozhwa, inozviita kumamiriyoni emaruva nemhuka kutenderera pasirese. Muvambi ndiEric Rawls. Anobva kuTexas, zvino anogara kuColorado. Uye pakutanga akatanga nechimwe chinhu chinonzi Earth.com, icho chaive chinangwa chake chikuru muhupenyu, chaive chekugadzira iyi hombe repositi yemifananidzo nekucherechedza uye ruzivo nezvemarudzi ese ari paNyika. Ndicho chaiva chinangwa chake. Zvichienderana neruzivo irworwo, akabva atanga chimwe chinhu chinonzi PlantSnap, icho chaive, nanhasi, chimwe chezvakanakisa chirimwa chinozivisa maapplication pamusika.

But after the success of Plant Staff, he wanted to go even bigger, and he decided to open up the entire earth.com repository to creating an all in one plant, you know, flora and fauna identifying app. And he’s now working very hard to grow that app. And he hopes, I mean, much like an app called Inaturalist, which is also used very widely and also much for scientific research, he hopes that this is something that we started the conversation with, can really help to combat that thing that we call plant blindness. Because I do believe that it all starts with just knowledge and awareness and understanding. The more that we can understand what grows and what lives around us, the more we understand about it, the more we can care for it and the more we’ll do, hopefully, to protect it. So that’s Eric Rawls and Earth Snap, and then Birdcast was actually developed by researchers at Cornell University together with something called Merlin. Merlin is another app that is actually. It’s like a Shazam for birdsong. They’re actually able to identify birdsong based just on birdsong. You have a recording of that or you play it live or record it live, and it is actually able to recognize that and hopefully identify what bird that song belongs to. And this is just such an innovative way of doing it. Because, of course, as you can imagine, with things like, with an app like Earth Snap, plants easy to photograph. They don’t move. Certain animal species. Also easier to photograph birds, Very, very difficult. So to have something like Merlin is really, really exciting because it’s also able to. You know, what we’re able to do then is we’re able to take recordings in the middle of a park, in the middle of a forest, in the middle of a rooftop garden. We’re able to take these recordings and based on those recordings, were able to actually identify which birds are in that area. And the way that they specifically do it with artificial intelligence is really interesting. They don’t do it purely on the audio recording. What they actually do is they convert that audio recording into, I believe it’s called a. Is it called a sonogram, where you have, like, a visual depiction of that audio? And based on that, okay, they’re able to run their artificial intelligence and basically identify, okay, which sonograms are most similar to each other and which are most likely to belong to that specific bird. Again, none of these apps are perfect. None of them are a replacement for, you know, a die hard bird watcher or a die hard naturalist, of course. But I think they’re just a beautiful way to facilitate those first interactions with nature and with certain species that we live amongst that people might not otherwise be able to have.

[00:25:42] Jackie De Burca: Chokwadi. Kwete, kwete, kwete, zvachose. Uye zvakare, iwe unoziva, iwe unokonzeresa maitiro ekufunga sezvauri. Zvauri kutaura zvese izvi. Uye ndinoshamisika, ndinoziva kuti tine kadiki kemutsauko wezera, angangoita makore makumi maviri kana zvishoma kudarika, ndinofunga.

But I wonder, Nadina, did you experience the same in terms of your family going back to your grandparents where it was normal in Ireland? Certainly for me, for my grandmother to have spoken about, like, natural, natural plants that might heal something, some element of some sort. So it’s not that far. It’s not that far back is what I’m trying to say, since, you know, it was relatable to think about plants as medicine.

[00:26:23] Nadina Galle: Hongu, zvachose. Uye ndinofunga, ndinoreva, ambuya vangu vakashanda zvakafanana, uye kunyange amai vangu vakaita kune imwe nhanho. Uye ndicho chinhu chandinotenda kuti ndizvo. Yakarasika mukati, ngatitii, chizvarwa cheGen Z chemireniyumu, kana kutopfuura kumashure. Asi ini ndinoona uku kumuka kukuru. Senge, ndinofunga kune toni yekufarira kutsvagazve, munoziva, tinoita sei chikafu kubva pakutanga? Ndinoreva, tarisa chete shanduko yechingwa yakabikwa yatakaona panguva yeCOVID apo munhu wese akatanga kugadzira chingwa chavo kumba. Ndinoreva, chaive, icho chaive chimwe chinhu chaive chakajairika, chakajairika, munoziva, kutora mashoko asina kutaurwa, kare muzuva ratakaita, munoziva, takaita sokudaro. Tarasa hunyanzvi ihwohwo nekuti hapana akatidzidzisa, nekuti vanamai vedu kana madzibaba edu vakarasa hunyanzvi uhu sekuti, unoziva, zvakawanda, sekusona, unoziva, kwapera, unoziva. , yaenda neradar kana zvinhu zvakaita se, unoziva, zvekutanga, zvekutanga, sekugadzirisa bhasikoro kana zvekutanga, unoziva, zvemagetsi kana kugadzirisa midziyo.

Iwe unoziva, isu takarasika mune yedu, iwe unoziva, nyika yedu yevatengi uye kuti zviri nyore sei kutsiva zvinhu zvakasiyana uye kutarisisa kwedu nezvese zvitsva uye kuve nekuvandudzwa kune izvi, munoziva, tekinoroji uye zvinhu izvi. Ndinofunga kuti hatichazvioni. Asi ini ndinotenda kuti kune uku kumuka kukuru. Uye unozviona muzvinhu zvakaita sevanhu vari kuda kugara pamba, kunyangwe mukati, munoziva, matare emudhorobha akakomba, vanhu vanoda kurima chikafu chavo, kunyangwe pamabhakoni, rudzi rutsva rwekutangazve mukuvhima uye mukati senge kunze kwerenje kuongorora uye kuvhima vanopona. . Senge, ndinonzwa sekunge kune iyi yakakura rudzi rwekutangazve mukufarira izvo zvinhu pamwe nekugadzira kumba. Uye ini ndinofunga kuti yakanaka chaizvo nekuti yakawanda yeruzivo irworwo, imwe, ndinofunga inoita kuti hupenyu hwedu hunakidze uye huwedzere kunaka kuti tikwanise kupfuudza rudzi irwo rwehuchenjeri neruzivo. Uye pakupedzisira, ndinofunga kuti zvisikwa zvine zvakawanda zvemhinduro. Isu takangoita setakakanganwa kuteerera.

[00:28:28] Jackie De Burca: Chokwadi, zvachose. Saka izvo zvinonditungamira paNadina kuchitsauko chechitanhatu. Uye ini ndinonyatsoda zita rawakapa musayendisiti mukati medu, izvo zvinoshamisa chaizvo maererano nekukurudzira vagari sainzi, sainzi uye kubatanidzwa.

So we’ve kind of touched on that in some levels. What is the global urban wildlife exploration through the City Nature Challenge?

[00:28:56] Nadina Galle: Ehe, ndinonyatsoda uyu muenzaniso weGuta Nature Challenge nekuti ini ndinofunga zvakanyanya kana aya maturusi ekutarisa uye matekinoroji, munoziva, vanowanzogara munyanga dzenzou dzedzidzo uye zvinonzwa zvakaoma. kuti mugari wepakati wako atore chikamu.

Uye izvo zvinoitwa neGuta Nature Dambudziko ndezvekuti zvinokoka husiku hwemadhorobha kubva pasirese pasi rese gore rimwe chete mune ino yemazuva mana BioBlitz. Zvinowanzoitika pakupera kwaKubvumbi, kutanga kwaChivabvu, uye zvakatanga muna 2016. Saka vachangobva kuve neshanduro yavo yechipfumbamwe muna 2024. Uye yakatanga semakwikwi akapusa, ish makwikwi pakati peLos Angeles neSan Francisco. Yakarongwa neCalifornia Academy yeScience uye Los Angeles County Museum yeNatural History. Uye zvaiitirwa kushandisa iyo app inaturalist senzira yekuita kuti vagari vabatanidzwe mumaguta aya kuti vatore mifananidzo, vaone uye varodhe zvakaonekwa zvakawanda zvekusiyana zvipenyu zvemuno mukati meguta miganhu kune inaturalists sezvinobvira.

Uye izvi zvakanyanyisa. Zvakaita kuti vanhu vakawanda vanobatanidzwa gore negore. Yakakura kubva kune chimwe chinhu chaingova mumaguta maviri aya kuenda kune chimwe chaive muCalifornia chete, kuenda kune chimwe chaive muUS chete kuenda kune chimwe changotora nyika. Muchinyorwa chakapfuura muna 2024, anopfuura 700 maguta akatora chikamu.

Ndakasvika pakuva chikamu charo mu la, kwete guta guru, asi guta gurusa muBolivia. La Paz akanyatso kuve akahwina mukombe weCity Nature Challenge kwemakore matatu apfuura akatevedzana. Ini ndaifanira kunge ndiripo neheti yangu yeNational Geographic Explorer, ndichigadzira gwaro nezveGuta Nature Challenge uye chii chatungamira La Paz mukukunda uku.

And there’s a couple things that I learned. One, lapasse is one of the world’s most biodiversities. Right. So that makes winning something like this in terms of most species identified and the most observations made a little bit easier. But La Paz also won for having the most people involved, involved, which is something that every city, of course, can compete in. And one of the ways that they were their secret weapon, if you will, that they were able to do this is they had a local organization, the Bolivian chapter of the Wildlife Conservation Society, get really involved and use their connections to involve almost every single high school and university and college in La Paz. So in these four days it is because it usually takes place. There’s a Friday and then there’s a Saturday, Sunday, and then there’s the Monday. So on the Friday and the Monday, they don’t have school. Their school for that day is to go on a guided field trip to different national park, different parks, even on a street, like all these different areas that they designate. And they send buses full of students to these different areas on these field trips to go and identify as many species as possible. And then they have this as part of their curriculum for that season where then they actually do projects based on the observations that they made. And I met this incredible biology teacher, Ms. Gladys. And Ms. Gladys, the biology teacher, she says to her students, like, it is not the end of your school day until you identify at least 200 not species, until you make at least 200 observations. And of course you get more points. You do. So again, what we started this conversation with Jackie, this idea of plant blindness and I would say kind of flora and fauna blindness as a whole. What you’re doing is you’re taking youth kids out into their cities, the places where they live, where they grow up, where their families are from every single year in this beautiful celebration of urban wildlife. And you’re asking them directly to get involved, not only by taking their observations and learning about it, but also understanding what grows in their area and getting excited about in a way that they can then tell their families and hopefully their children about it in the future.

Uye ingori nzira yakanaka kudaro nekuti hunhu hwemudhorobha hwatorwira rudzi irworwo rwekuzivikanwa kuti rwakakodzera. Uye chandinoda pamusoro peizvi izuva mana BioBlitz. Rinenge rakaita sezororo, kupemberera hunhu hwemaguta gore negore. Uye kudos kuna Allison Mudiki naLila Higgins, avo vakatanga uye vakatanga dambudziko iri makore ese apfuura.

Uye ndinoziva kutaura naAlison Mudiki, anofemerwa kure nekure kwaakaita, nzvimbo dzakafara dzekusvika dzaakaenda, uye huwandu hwevanhu vanopinda gore negore. Icho chinhu chaicho.

Ndichangotaura zvinhu zviviri zvandaifarira zvandakadzidza munguva yakapfuura. Imwe yacho yaiva nyoka yokuBolivia, iyo yaifungidzirwa kuti yakatsakatika muLa Paz. Chaizvoizvo yakanga isati yaonekwa kweanopfuura makore makumi mana. Yakanga isati yaonekwa uye yakawanikwa zvakare nemudzidzi wepachikoro chepamusoro panguva yeCity Nature Challenge. Vakatora mufananidzo wacho.

[00:34:15] Jackie De Burca: Saka zvinongo shamisa. Fungidzira kuti mudzidzi wacho akanzwa sei.

[00:34:20] Nadina Galle: Zvaikatyamadza. Ndinoreva, nyaya yakafanana yakaitika mukati, ndinotenda yaive West Virginia. Yaive tsikidzi yemapiritsi iyo yaivewo nyaya imwechete. Iwe unoziva, inofungidzirwa kuti yakatsakatika, yakanga isati yaonekwa mumakumi emakore nevaongorori, yakawanikwa zvakare nemudzidzi wemakore gumi nemashanu anotsanangurwa nababa vake seakapindwa muropa zvachose nefoni. Munoziva, akanga asingadi kuzviita uye baba vake vakaita sevamuita kuti azviite nefoni yake, blah, blah, blah. Anoenda, uye anotora mufananidzo webug repiritsi iri. Iye zvachose ane izvi senge hupenyu hunochinja nguva. Anoenda kune zvakachipa. Haangobudisi zvakawanikwa muzvidzidzo pamwe chete nevanhu vekuCalifornia Academy yeSainzi mune mumwe wezera rake akaongorora sainzi jenari asati apedza chikoro chesekondari, asi akaenderera mberi nekudzidza nezve zoology zvakare.

[00:35:02] Jackie De Burca: Iyo ingori nyaya inoshamisa kudaro. Uye zviripachena, hongu, unogona kufungidzira kuti kune vana kana vechidiki vane hupenyu hwakatenderedzwa kuburikidza neguta iri Nature dambudziko.

[00:35:16] Nadina Galle: Oh yeah. I mean there’s just, there’s, there’s so many examples of that in the book as well. Like there’s another one with the Heat Watch campaign which we discussed. I believe it was in episode two, this idea. We can do these hyper local measurements of heat and ambient temperature in your neighborhood so that you can form better greening policy and better cooling strategies. There was this, there was a student there because they try to involve high school students as much as possible on that project as well. There was a high school student that through that Heat Watch campaign discovered that his house on average was like 10 or 15 degrees hotter than his friend’s house. And he was like, well that makes sense because we always go and play there in the summer because it’s so much cooler in his backyard and on his street than it is online. He was, he was so inspired by this. He was actually on the, on the cusp of dropping out of school because his family was going through financial hardship and he wanted to drop out of school and work in a store to help out his family. And the founder of Heat Watch, Vivek Shonda, has got in touch with the student and actually started mentoring him. And now he’s actually in an undergraduate program for environmental sciences. And Vivek just Kept saying, I believe I wrote this in the book that like he can’t wait to hire him when he graduates because he did so inspired by the story. And it just goes to show, like, there are so many beautiful, you know, this is, this is bigger than just changing, you know, our environments and where we live. But there’s, there’s also beautiful career opportunities for our young people here. And we’re going to need this next generation of, you know, Internet of nature innovators or techno ecologists to really, you know, lead this avant garde. And it’s just amazing to see initiatives like this make that difference.

[00:36:59] Jackie De Burca: It absolutely is. I had a call yesterday from a lawyer based in England regarding the biodiversity net gain law that’s obviously come out earlier in 2024, in February there. And that is just connected with the fact that he had a business idea to do with that. And we have a course that we’ve developed on that. And all of this is based on the fact that there is not anywhere near enough ecologists to go around just to handle that particular law. So it’s a tiny little example of what you’ve said correctly, Nadina, which is that this generation coming up now, there’s like wonderful opportunities for them to be massive change makers and involving themselves in nature, as you say, you know, with, with the combination with technology, which is of course exactly what you talk about, you know.

[00:37:52] Nadina Galle: Kwete, ndicho chinhu. Uye, uye tichavada. Ndinoreva kuti taivada nezuro uye tatovada izvozvi. Saka ini, ndinofunga zvinoshamisa pamusoro peizvi ndezverudzi rwechizvarwa chinotevera chevechidiki avo vanofa zvakaoma zvakatipoteredza uye vanoda zvisikwa pamwoyo, asi zvakare ona simba iro tekinoroji inogona kubatsira, munoziva, kukunda pamusoro pevanhu vanofanirwa kuve. vakakunda zvakare uye vabatsirewo pabasa ravo. Ndinofunga kuti zvichanyanya kutsoropodza. Ini ndinozviona ini ndichifanira kuita zvishoma uye zvishoma kugutsikana pamusoro penzira dzine simba idzo tekinoroji inogona kutibatsira muhondo iyi uye yakawanda kuve chimwe chinhu chiri chechipiri.

[00:38:32] Jackie De Burca: Hongu. Ndinofunga, ndinofunga kuti ndizvo zvinofanira kuva zvakadaro. Ndinovimba, Nadine, sezvauri kutaura izvozvi, tataura zvakawanda zvakare, zvinoyevedza uye tine chimwe chikamu chekuti vateereri vedu vatarisire icho chichave chakanyanya kunangana zvakanyanya nezvehutano uye hutano nzira uye maitiro kubatanidza madosi ezuva nezuva echisikigo, tarisiro kune avo vanhu vanogona kuzvibata uye kuti izvo zvingakanganisa sei hutano hwevanhu. Saka zviri pachena kutarisira izvozvo uye tichange tichitaura zvakare munguva pfupi. Nadina, ndinokutendai zvikuru.

[00:39:02] Nadina Galle: Thanks, Jackie.